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Google on Wednesday fired a shot across Apple's bow, unveiling a revamped version of its Nexus 7 tablet that's aimed at outdoing Apple's iPad mini at a lower price.



The new Nexus 7 is the follow-up to one of the top-selling Android devices in that platform's burgeoning tablet ecosystem. The new version outdoes its predecessor in just about every way possible, with 1.8 times the CPU performance, four times the GPU performance, and twice as much RAM.

The diminutive tablet still sports the same 7.02-inch display seen on the first Nexus 7, but Google and manufacturing partner Asus have significantly bumped up the resolution. The new tablet's display outputs at 1920x1200, with a pixel density of 323ppi. That's more than 50 percent higher than the original Nexus 7's 216ppi density, nearly twice the iPad mini's 163ppi, and higher even than the full-size Retina iPad's 264ppi.

Showing off the device's display, Google called it the "highest DPI of any tablet on the market."

The new device is also 6mm narrower and 60g lighter than its predecessor. Its larger battery adds an additional hour of video playback, as well as two more hours of web surfing.

Google also added a 5MP rear camera to the device to accompany the 1.2MP front-facing camera. The rear camera is capable of capturing 1080p video.

Google also showed off the newest build of its Android operating system, version 4.3. Still under the Jelly Bean moniker, version 4.3 brings multi-user restricted profiles, allowing users to set parental controls governing how other profiles can access in-app purchases. It also brings Bluetooth Smart integration, allowing devices running 4.3 to interface with low-energy, wearable devices. The Nexus 7 will be the first device to ship with the new operating system, and Google will be rolling it out to other Nexus devices shortly.

The considerable bump in display resolution seems aimed directly at Apple, which held off on a Retina display when releasing the iPad mini last year, but has been rumored to be prepping a Retina iPad mini for release in the next year. Apple may well release a new model of its fast-selling smaller tablet with a higher-resolution screen, but current speculation has such a device on hold until early 2014.

The first Nexus 7 debuted last year a few months before the iPad mini, and the device went on to solid sales. Late last year, the CEO of Asus ? which manufactures the device ? said his company was producing one million units per month. The iPad mini, though, debuted soon after and grabbed much of the attention in the small tablet segment.

On stage, Google execs pointed to the growing presence of Android devices in a tablet segment Apple jumpstarted and by some measures continues to dominate. In terms of global Android tablet activations, the last two years have seen an explosion in the number of new devices, with Google now estimating the total number of activations at roughly 70 million. Roughly 50 million of those, according to Google, have come in the last twelve months.

The new Nexus 7 will be available on July 30 from Google's Play Store, as well as a number of other retailers' online and physical locations. A 16GB Wi-Fi model will cost $229, and a 32GB Wi-Fi version will cost $269. Google will also be offering an unlocked 32GB Wi-Fi + 4G LTE version ? compatible with AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile ? for $339.
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Clickbait!

It doesn't look bad. I wonder how many true tablet apps there are, though? HD doesn't matter on an app that is sized up.
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Are all new apps required for this 'wunder tablet'?
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What kind of screen, and made by whom?
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I had the original Nexus 7 for a while and it drove me crazy how many apps weren't optimized for it. Some were actually unusable due to being written for a different screen size.
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"Google refreshes Nexus 7 by sacrificing performance and/or battery life to compete with iPad mini."
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Hey… Still using that faulty NAND, are you Google? There's a reason this is $100 less.

 

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i am surprised that Google didn't do a 8 inch one. The 8 inch is much better than 7 inch.
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The old one got really crappy after a few months.

Not just the slowdown and bad battery life, but it also started falling apart.


http://androidforums.com/nexus-s-support-troubleshooting/459571-my-nexus-falling-apart.html

I don't get how people support Google after so many empty promises over the years.
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"Google refreshes Nexus 7 by sacrificing performance and/or battery life to compete with iPad mini."

Pretty much. I can see lots of people returning these because I'd imagine battery life would be dreadful on this.
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If this goads Apple into releasing that retina IGZO mini (or even if that's release is a happy coincidence) I'll be pleased.

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This display is simply ridiculous and the hardware can't support it. It became obvious how even simple 3D games that were shown off, such as Prince of Persia didn't run very smooth. It was also interesting to see, how extremely careful they were when it came to scrolling during the presentation. They did it very, very slowly and always without momentum, trying to hide the fact how choppy everything gets once you scroll properly. Despite these attempts though, there were instances where the choppyness was obvious, heck even Google Maps scrolling was horrible.

 

Really sad to see things getting down to a spec race. A retina display would certainly make a lot of sense on a mini, but there's no point in stuffing such high resolution displays in so small devices where both hardware and software have trouble supporting those features, because essentially the user experience gets worse, unless all you do is look at static images.

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Google is probably making no money on these devices and going for Apple's bread and butter, its profits. Fire is the best means to thwart such an offence and Apple needs to get its own search site that charges no money for advertising (or darsh little) to do to Google what it has done to MS and is attempting to do to Apple. The gloves must come off and a grab for Google goolies by Apple is called forth.

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Pretty much. I can see lots of people returning these because I'd imagine battery life would be dreadful on this.

They said it gained an hour battery life in the presentation. I think Android 4.3 has something to do with that.
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i am surprised that Google didn't do a 8 inch one. The 8 inch is much better than 7 inch.

That's what she said.
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Restricted multi-user integration is a smart move and one I wish Apple would implement. When I let someone use my iPad I hate the fact that they have full access to my emails, texts, and other personal info. Of course this is also useful to prevent kids from in-app purchases.
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i am surprised that Google didn't do a 8 inch one. The 8 inch is much better than 7 inch.

Yeah, I most definitely prefer the iPad Mini's bigger screen size, smaller bezel, and aspect ratio over the Nexus 7.
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I had the original Nexus 7 for a while and it drove me crazy how many apps weren't optimized for it. Some were actually unusable due to being written for a different screen size.

Which apps where those, they weren't in the top 500 that is for sure. I haven't seen that since Android version 2.3. All new apps are written for dynamic resolutions, their is no longer a set resolution. There are some apps that use lower resolution but these are either very old or poorly programmed and no one uses them.
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Yeah, because the original Nexus 7 sold like shit because of the resolution, right?

Wrong.

When it comes to the iPad, this tablet is still irrelevant. The Android tablet optimized app situation is still abysmal. And I see they haven't changed the MASSIVE bezels on this thing. Specs are better, but experience of using it wont be drastically changed. Still the same awkward 16x9 ratio.
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What a dumb headline. The actual price of the Nexus 7 went up. And there were tablets last year that had better screens than the mini. Big deal. Apple stock is up 6% while Google is trading slightly down on the day. Obviously Wall Street is treating this as 'meh' rather than a shot across the bow that Apple needs to be quaking in their boots over.
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Google refreshes Nexus 7 with twice iPad mini's pixel count, for $100 less

 

Given that the refreshed Nexus 7 has a pixel count of 2,304,000 vs. the iPad Mini with 786,432, it has nearly tripled the pixel count (2.92x) actually.

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Is the purpose for better-than-retina for squeezing more things on the screen? At that point, don't you actually start to lose detail? Might be a dumb question, but honestly, I don't understand.

 

I've had the original N7 for about a year, mainly for surfing and playing simple games. It warmed me up to Android and I could see where the Android crowd was coming from on certain angles. But now that iOS7 is coming, I think both OSes equally meet my needs and iOS works better with the rest of my devices. I wouldn't upgrade from my old N7 to the new N7, but I would switch for a iPad Mini with retina simply for the aspect ratio, 16:9 doesn't really work well for me.

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What a dumb headline. The actual price of the Nexus 7 went up. And there were tablets last year that had better screens than the mini. Big deal. Apple stock is up 6% while Google is trading slightly down on the day. Obviously Wall Street is treating this as 'meh' rather than a shot across the bow that Apple needs to be quaking in their boots over.

Should we really be using the stock price as a means of accurate portraying how a company is doing? I mean...you've been checking the APPL price for the past year right?

 

Nexus devices are simply a Google experience device. It's not as heavily marketed as say the Kindle Fire, which sells very well. Nexus is still an invaluable device to own for Android developers, but consumers have more choices down in the low price trenches. I would hold my wallet until Amazon's announcement. 

 

One thing that holds true is the iPad Mini needs a refresh this year, if the rumors about a Mini delay are true, that's going to hurt. This Nexus already has a fairly substantial specs (notice I don't say hardware) advantage right now. Apple needs to respond later this year. 

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The Nexus 7 also offers OpenGL ES 3.0 support via the Adreno 320 GPU and native support through Android 4.3.

 

Pretty impressive!

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It may be cheaper than the iPad Mini and pack more pixels, power, etc - yet take the Chromebook Pixel and Macbook Air for example, the Pixel has almost 4x the resolution of the Air for the same price point, but you don't see people flocking to that thing. It's all about software and quality, and that's where Apple wins. 

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This display is simply ridiculous and the hardware can't support it. It became obvious how even simple 3D games that were shown off, such as Prince of Persia didn't run very smooth. It was also interesting to see, how extremely careful they were when it came to scrolling during the presentation. They did it very, very slowly and always without momentum, trying to hide the fact how choppy everything gets once you scroll properly. Despite these attempts though, there were instances where the choppyness was obvious, heck even Google Maps scrolling was horrible.

Really sad to see things getting down to a spec race. A retina display would certainly make a lot of sense on a mini, but there's no point in stuffing such high resolution displays in so small devices where both hardware and software have trouble supporting those features, because essentially the user experience gets worse, unless all you do is look at static images.

The hardware can easily handle it, the Adreno 320 is faster then Power SGX 543 found in the iPhone 5. The lag is probably in Android itself, Qualcomm chip users found that by modifying the GPU conf to reflect this,"ondemand, down_differential 30, up_threshhold 70" greatly increases the speed of the games and overall smoothness of the GUI. That being said, which videos have you seen, the ones I've seen so far showed no such lag.
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Is the purpose for better-than-retina for squeezing more things on the screen? At that point, don't you actually start to lose detail?

"Retina" is a marketing term.  Depending on your visual acuity and the distance between your eyes and the screen, higher res may offer a noticeably improved image, while for others even "retina" displays offer little noticeable benefit.

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Still the same awkward 16x9 ratio.

1920x1200 is 16:10

1920x1080 is 16:9

 

1280x800 is 16:10

1280x720 is 16:9

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Should we really be using the stock price as a means of accurate portraying how a company is doing? I mean...you've been checking the APPL price for the past year right?

Nexus devices are simply a Google experience device. It's not as heavily marketed as say the Kindle Fire, which sells very well. Nexus is still an invaluable device to own for Android developers, but consumers have more choices down in the low price trenches. I would hold my wallet until Amazon's announcement. 

One thing that holds true is the iPad Mini needs a refresh this year, if the rumors about a Mini delay are true, that's going to hurt. This Nexus already has a fairly substantial specs (notice I don't say hardware) advantage right now. Apple needs to respond later this year. 
All I'm saying is if this was really a WOW device Google's stock would be up and Apple would have come off its highs for the day. It seems Wall Street is finally treating other people's stuff like they do Apple's. Apple gets knocked products not being revolutionary. Well there's nothing revolutionary about this device.
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It may be cheaper than the iPad Mini and pack more pixels, power, etc - yet take the Chromebook Pixel and Macbook Air for example, the Pixel has almost 4x the resolution of the Air for the same price point, but you don't see people flocking to that thing. It's all about software and quality, and that's where Apple wins. 

Or that the Pixel and the Macbook are two completely different types of devices. One a web a browser for $1000+, another a fully fledged OS with applications. The pixel is a novelty, albeit a silly one. I really doubt Google had aspirations that pixel would dethrone any high end ultrabooks on the market. 

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Hey… Still using that faulty NAND, are you Google? There's a reason this is $100 less.

I wouldn't doubt it, but here's the weird thing, web browsing is atrocious yet me son uses it to watch YouTube and play games and for that it works beautifully.
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"Google also showed off the newest build of its Android operating system, version 4.3. Still under the Jelly Bean moniker, version 4.3 brings multi-user restricted profiles, allowing users to set parental controls governing how other profiles can access in-app purchases. It also brings Bluetooth Smart integration, allowing devices running 4.3 to interface with low-energy, wearable devices."

 

This I think is the most interesting point of the article. For families that share an iPad or even if you occasionally let a friend borrow it for a few minutes this would be an awesome feature to include in iOS 7 and I am surprised it wasn't announced. Even on the iPhone it would be nice to have an admin account and a guest account that doesn't show texts, emails, call history. 

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Google is probably making no money on these devices and going for Apple's bread and butter, its profits. Fire is the best means to thwart such an offence and Apple needs to get its own search site that charges no money for advertising (or darsh little) to do to Google what it has done to MS and is attempting to do to Apple. The gloves must come off and a grab for Google goolies by Apple is called forth.

 

Somebody, knock some sense into Tim Cook.

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It's all in the software, dummy.

Brilliant! Best post of the year! :)

 

 

Anyone can reverse engineer any physical product...(err.....except Ford, Chrysler and GM engineers!)

 

But only Apple can put the SW together! :)

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Hey… Still using that faulty NAND, are you Google? There's a reason this is $100 less.

Of course they are!!! Why doesn't Google just realize you can't release crappy beta hardware and get away with it like you can in the free software business. Google is desperate to make money on hardware before Samsung stabs them in the back and forks Android and folds in a UI from it's Tizen project. Gonna be fun to see who turns on who first as both are known for stabbing their partners in the back the second it benefits them.

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Which apps where those, they weren't in the top 500 that is for sure. I haven't seen that since Android version 2.3. All new apps are written for dynamic resolutions, their is no longer a set resolution. There are some apps that use lower resolution but these are either very old or poorly programmed and no one uses them.

 

That's BS. What is the resolution ratio on Galaxy Tab 10 and 7? Are they same? How much is the cost of dynamic resolution rendering? Will developers resample graphics to a 50% larger resolution when one of zillion different Android devices come out just for the sake of this one?

 

Dynamic resolution serves only Google to make possible to every junk manufacturing company to shotgun market with any crappy format on any crappy device to announce gazillions activations/per day.  Everybody else are losers, especially users.


Edited by poksi - 7/24/13 at 12:36pm
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"Google also showed off the newest build of its Android operating system, version 4.3. Still under the Jelly Bean moniker, version 4.3 brings multi-user restricted profiles, allowing users to set parental controls governing how other profiles can access in-app purchases. It also brings Bluetooth Smart integration, allowing devices running 4.3 to interface with low-energy, wearable devices."

 

This I think is the most interesting point of the article. For families that share an iPad or even if you occasionally let a friend borrow it for a few minutes this would be an awesome feature to include in iOS 7 and I am surprised it wasn't announced. Even on the iPhone it would be nice to have an admin account and a guest account that doesn't show texts, emails, call history. 

 

Apple wants you to buy device, not borrow. Apple sees those devices as private, not just personal.

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