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post #41 of 226

Great product, but a little expensive for only being a steaming dongle plus one needs to have a google device to make it work!

 

Apple TV only needs a TV.

 

Have fun with it.

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one needs to have a google device to make it work!

 

False. Once again people are jumping to conclusions off of a fraction of information.

post #43 of 226

Such FUD:  "we will not force you to have the same operating system on all your devices.".

 

There are plenty of devices and software that let you use the AirPlay protocol to stream in or out videos and music.  We use AirServer to connect Windows to AppleTV. There is even AirMusic software that steams Android music to AirPlay compatible devices.

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Because you get what you pay for. 

 

Then maybe Apple's prices aren't high enough? Would a 100% markup would make you feel even better about your purchase?

 

Just to be clear: I'm not saying I don't think I got my money's worth for my iPad. I'm just trying to understand the psychology of non-investors being really excited about paying substantially in excess of cost (and remember that profits come after the costs of all that great customer service, etc., etc.). 

 

Investors, I get. Apple fans, maybe it's something like keeping score between your team and rivals? Otherwise, it seems like a pretty basic violation of Economics 101 for customers to be excited about the products they buy producing high profits for the companies that sell them. 

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Google has taken a particularly aggressive stance with regard to the device's pricing. At $35, it is just over one-third of the price of an Apple TV device. Apple's diminutive set-top box is by far the most popular among streaming devices according to one recent measure.

Apple must take Google search on agressively - giving adverts away for free or at least just cover costs. Google has played this game before to destroy competitors. Like maps, it can build and grow and make meaningless Google's whole raison d'etre.

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post #46 of 226
It does tie up a device to do the actual streaming though. My Apple TVs are totally stand alone for things like Netflix or browsing my Photo Stream. Unless I happen to want to stream something from my iPad or Mac to the TV, like the entire Mac desktop, oh wait the Google thingy can't do that can it?
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post #47 of 226
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Such FUD:  "we will not force you to have the same operating system on all your devices.".

 

There are plenty of devices and software that let you use the AirPlay protocol to stream in or out videos and music.  We use AirServer to connect Windows to AppleTV. There is even AirMusic software that steams Android music to AirPlay compatible devices.

FALSE! Anyone can program this feature into their apps.

 

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"Developer preview of the Google Cast SDK being published today with libraries for iOS, Android, and Chrome"

 

"Apps send video to the Chromecast through the new Google Cast SDK"

 

Anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7171/googles-breakfast-with-sundar-pichai-event-live-blog

post #48 of 226
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False. Once again people are jumping to conclusions off of a fraction of information.

 

Gosh ... people need a some type of IOS / computer thingy to make the Google dongle work.

 

Dongle :)

 

Apple TV:  needs only a TV. 

post #49 of 226
We won't force you to have the same operating system on all your devices, but we will force you to use a device unlike other beloved hobbies that can work as a standalone piece for your TV. And we will force you to stick it behind your TV panel putting it in probably the least optimal position for a good WiFi signal.

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post #50 of 226

The only reason I "worry" about Google or Amazon selling products with zero or negative margin is because I know they have a plan to make money on it somehow.  For Amazon it's to build/support their monopoly power on content; for Google isn't usually so they can generate more ad revenue.  At least with Apple you don't have to guess about what's in it for them.

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I bought mine. You get three months of free Netflix too.

 

its a netflix three months free trial, same as with any device on the planet, or even just going to netflix.com.  Its for new users only as far as I can tell.

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post #52 of 226

If you haven't already watched the press event, then check out the video below. ChromeCast info starts at 0:37:11 LINK!!!

 

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Gosh ... people need a some type of IOS / computer thingy to make the Google dongle work.

 

Dongle :)

 

Apple TV:  needs only a TV. 

 

What?

 

Have you even looked at it?  All Chromecast needs is an HDMI port. Same as Apple TV.

post #54 of 226
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Also, don't forget to plug it into a wall outlet:



(edit: found a better pic)

 

 

Yeah, because Apple TV doesn't have to plug into a wall outlet?

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The only reason I "worry" about Google or Amazon selling products with zero or negative margin is because I know they have a plan to make money on it somehow.  For Amazon it's to build/support their monopoly power on content; for Google isn't usually so they can generate more ad revenue.  At least with Apple you don't have to guess about what's in it for them.
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I feel exactly the same way. Only reason google is making this device is to exploit its users. Same reason they make the chrome browser. It has nothing to do with making a profit on the HW. The buyer is the product via exploitation.
No thanks. You want cross platform go buy a Roko or install 3rd party airplay apps on Windows and Android clients
. How much is your privacy worth? Hopefully more than $65 per TV. What does this work out to spread over the life of the TV? Less than a dollar a month? Yeah. Great deal. Right.
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Then maybe Apple's prices aren't high enough? Would a 100% markup would make you feel even better about your purchase?

I would. Heck, make it all 500% more expensive; we'd have way less complaints, and way less annoying posts (not from you, mind you)

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Yeah, because Apple TV doesn't have to plug into a wall outlet?

No. I mean people get excited about the thing only being 2 inches, which is clearly not the case.
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post #57 of 226

If you think this product will compete with Apple TV then you don't understand the goals of Apple TV. Seriously, businesses are buying Apple TV systems for conference streaming events, multi-display Kiosks, etc.

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Yeah, because Apple TV doesn't have to plug into a wall outlet?

At least the AppleTV doesn't need an additional device, costing at the very least, hundred of dollars streaming to it to be of any use! 1tongue.gif
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post #59 of 226

Another lousy idea from Larry and The L team ...

 

....the lack of properly optimized apps is one of the reasons "why the experience on Android tablets is so crappy".

Tim Cook ~ The Wall Street Journal - February 7, 2014

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post #60 of 226
This looks more like it competes with this:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD826ZM/A/lightning-digital-av-adapter

I can't believe that cable costs $49. The Apple TV at least can be bought and used to run Netflix or the other apps listed here:

http://www.apple.com/appletv/whats-on/

and has its own remote. So someone can buy one and actually use it on its own without a computer or anything else. The following is an older link but Netflix seems to be quite popular on the Apple TV:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/01/26/netflix_apple_tv_streaming_more_movies_than_ipad.html

If the idea was to have independent streaming boxes everywhere in the house, I'd say the Apple TV would be a better setup. If each TV had a device nearby at all times, the Chromecast would be more cost-effective. Ethernet is also more stable a connection for constant streaming.

Apple's strategy is to make money on hardware, Google makes money from advertising and sells hardware most of the time at break-even. Apple would perhaps be better off replacing the AV adaptor with a wireless connection but it would kill some Apple TV sales and bring in more latency vs the cable.

It doesn't look like the Chromecast does wifi direct either so jammed behind a TV, it might not get a decent signal. Apple TV is rumoured to get wifi direct this year:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57502154-37/apples-airplay-tech-to-work-without-wi-fi-report-says/
post #61 of 226
This is not direct competition to Apple TV as the article suggests, but simply a competitor to AirPlay, its pretty simple... since it cannot be used by itself.
post #62 of 226
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its a netflix three months free trial, same as with any device on the planet, or even just going to netflix.com.  Its for new users only as far as I can tell.

 

You would be mistaken.  It's 3 months free for new or existing users.

 

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It does tie up a device to do the actual streaming though. My Apple TVs are totally stand alone for things like Netflix or browsing my Photo Stream. Unless I happen to want to stream something from my iPad or Mac to the TV, like the entire Mac desktop, oh wait the Google thingy can't do that can it?

 

From what I've read it won't tie up your Android or iDevice.  1wink.gif

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2) Another attempt, ok. Hardly innovative; Apple has AirPlay for quite some time now.

 

 
Per Google Einsteins's request, waste a precious HDMI port and watch some more Ads on your big screen TVs!

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post #64 of 226
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From what I've read it won't tie up your Android or iDevice.  1wink.gif

Mmmm.. I don't think you got my meaning when I said 'ties up' . How about 'required' instead? Try leaving the house with the device that was streaming to the Google thingy, to go shopping or whatever, and see how the rest of the family enjoy looking at a the blank TV screen after you left! 1biggrin.gif
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post #65 of 226
I like the price point. Even though I say this often when discussing matters of Apple vs. the competition...Google does not have the complete ecosystem to make this take off. Much of Apple success is tied to the complete ecosystem.
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I have to admit I don't entirely understand why many Apple customers make a virtue of the company having high profits. I mean: I like my iPad, but I would like it even better if I hadn't paid a considerable portion of its price directly into Apple's enormous pile of cash. 

 

Maybe all the people who feel this way are investors, which is a different and more obvious story. But why ordinary customers?

 

I'll speak for myself.  

 

1.  A decent profit margin means that Apple continues to innovate and come up with an iPad or whatever that is even better, in ways I won't pretend to predict.  Dell and HP get 5% profit margins.  The last thing I, as an Apple customer, would want to see is cheap MacBooks and iPads in the short term if I was sentenced to buy products at Dell levels of quality over the long term.  

 

2.  Most of the hardware Google shoots out is cheap crap designed to suck the profit out of a market that Apple has created.  This is especially obvious in phones and tablets.  The lack of innovation - see where Apple is making money and shoot something cheaper out to make sure Google can continue to spew ads over the Internet - frankly angers me.  

 

Maybe there are other reasons too, but these come to mind immediately.  


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I have to admit I don't entirely understand why many Apple customers make a virtue of the company having high profits. I mean: I like my iPad, but I would like it even better if I hadn't paid a considerable portion of its price directly into Apple's enormous pile of cash. 

 

Maybe all the people who feel this way are investors, which is a different and more obvious story. But why ordinary customers?

 

Google makes high profits by shoving ads in your face, everywhere you go on the Internet.

 

You are the product for Google's "ordinary", advertising customers.

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post #68 of 226
It looks great, until you see "Power cord required (not shown)" in all the marketing. It needs to be connected to a USB power cord. I think the marketing pictures are totally misleading and I'm sure the UK's Advertising Standards Agency will agree 1smile.gif
post #69 of 226
I think it's a good idea. It's not the first. I believe I've heard of a couple other companies that were making devices that plugged into HDMI ports like one does with a USB flash drive.
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It looks great, until you see "Power cord required (not shown)" in all the marketing. It needs to be connected to a USB power cord. I think the marketing pictures are totally misleading and I'm sure the UK's Advertising Standards Agency will agree 1smile.gif

And you have to use a device to stream to it! AppleTV is able to be 100% stand alone to watch Netflix, Photo Stream or whatever. Far more powerful and useful.
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post #71 of 226

I was thinking the same, but that's not exactly a fatal flaw.  It would be more severe if it wasn't price so low, either.

 

Most people like to only do one thing at a time.  How can you enjoy watching entertainment when you're hunched over a laptop doing work you brought home from the office?  Then again, if you wanted to stream something to your television but your spouse needs the laptop for something else, could be a source of strife.

 

What we're not seeing is just how effective the range of this thing actually is.  How much power can you draw from an HDMI port anyways?  How much of it can basically be used for the radio system?  (Oh, I guess it needs a power cord; the ad is misleading).

 

But then again, for $35 bucks it's an afterthought purchase.  If it doesn't work that well, you're only out $35.


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This device looks better than AppleTV for the simple reason that it works with both iOS and Android devices, whereas AppleTV only works on iOS devices.

Not at all. Apple TV works even if you don't have a mobile device at all. I would venture that most Apple TV users do things other than Airplay.
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Profits fuel innovation in Cupertino.  They enable Apple to take huge risks and come up with great, revolutionary products as opposed to cheap derivatives of others' work.  Whenever Tim Cook comes on a stage to show us the next big thing, it will be born out of that considerable portion of profit from your iPad.

 

Bull.  Billions sitting in offshore accounts and a lower R&D budget than most comparable rivals say you're full of it.

 

Mega profit didn't fuel the iMac, the iPod or OS X.  Pursuit of it may have, but the proceeds of it did not.    The iPhone or iPad are less directly relatable, but by implication the same argument applies.

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"But how are they taking on Apple if they don't release a television?"

And what does this product say about Google's earlier TV options? Are they admitting that they're terrible?

It says they are improvable. Kinda like the Newton
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It says they are improbable. Kinda like the Newton

How do either of those sentences make sense?
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It says they are improvable. Kinda like the Newton
post #77 of 226
Then the ads start appearing in front of your content...

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Not at all. Apple TV works even if you don't have a mobile device at all. I would venture that most Apple TV users do things other than Airplay.

Exactly. Using Airplay is an occasional use for most AppleTV users. I suspect many have never even tried it.
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Yeah, because Apple TV doesn't have to plug into a wall outlet?
The Chromecast power brick look bigger than the whole of the Apple TV
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This is a great bit of hardware. Anyone that actually bothered to do their research into what this is and what it can do will more than likely agree.

Can it stream my iTunes content? That's currently what I use my ATV3 for 95+% of the time. We do a bit of movie preview watching and a bit of AirPlay mirroring as well.

 

It will be interesting to see how it performs and how quickly devs will update apps to utilize it. I don't think it will be for me, but if it performs well (or even good enough), I think it could do well.

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