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Donating to a political group is hardly making believe you're not trying to make your agenda known.

If you think this "..They have set up a lobbying firm which is disguised as a privacy NGO, which offers advice to MEPs legislating on privacy issues." is a common practice then by all means...

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Isn't Asus the one that shipped ANDROID Nexus tablets with cheap SSD memory that began to fail with in a year? Why wasn't there a class action lawsuit against Google and Asus over that? Will Motorola now owned by Google be any better?

How soon everyone forgets tech history.

MicroCenter now has seven inch a Android Tablet starting at $49. That beats Frys $74 one.
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LOL. Last week i sent an email about aquariums on gmail. I am still seing aquarium ads all over the place when i surf the web. The top banner is about aquariums right here on AI.

 

What annoys the heck out of me is that ads keep popping up for things I'm no longer interested in because I've already bought them!

post #44 of 97

Nexus 7 is not really a Google product.  Show me a picture of Nexus 7 with Google logo on it. 

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If you think this "..They have set up a lobbying firm which is disguised as a privacy NGO, which offers advice to MEPs legislating on privacy issues." is a common practice then by all means...

I have no idea who deemed it a disguised lobbying effort. Google doesn't appear to have been hiding their involvement.
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Agree with Ming. HD screen is nice and they will sell a lot, but I'm more interested to see Moto X. I don't think it will really be an iPhone competitor, but I think it has the potential to gut Samsung.

I like what I see so far and for ME, after seeing iOS 7, stock Android is looking nice. Looks like I'm about to become a multi-platform user.

Moto X, iPad mini (hopefully retina), Macs and Apple TV, supplemented with Chromecast here and there. Beautiful world.
Moto X at 4.5" will hurt mini iPhone sales less than if it was a 5" Moto X. Still be interesting to see a pure Android OS phone
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Wow. LISTEN UP, TROLLS: This is an excellent example of trolling. It might actually be the archetype. Learn from this, and then shut up and go away.

Thanks, tzeshan, for providing that example!

You have the picture of Google logo on Nexus 7?

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Isn't Asus the one that shipped ANDROID Nexus tablets with cheap SSD memory that began to fail with in a year? Why wasn't there a class action lawsuit against Google and Asus over that? 

 

Because it wasn't about "cheap" memory.  That claim was technically ignorant.

 

It was a bug in some versions of chip controller software.

 

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What annoys the heck out of me is that ads keep popping up for things I'm no longer interested in because I've already bought them!

 

Ah, but they pay for AI.  :)

 

Seriously, if it's really annoying, try going to your Google Dashboard and go into the ad section and remove your search history.  If that's where it's coming from, you'll go back to seeing generic ads that you're really not interested in :)

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Ah, but they pay for AI.  :)

 

Seriously, if it's really annoying, try going to your Google Dashboard and go into the ad section and remove your search history.  If that's where it's coming from, you'll go back to seeing generic ads that you're really not interested in :)

 

Personally, I don't think I've ever been prompted to buy something or use a service that was advertised to me in an ad on a web page. I realize they're paying for AI, but sometimes I think I'd rather just pay a subscription fee for access to a website I really enjoy.

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You have the picture of Google logo on Nexus 7?

Holy frick. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you weren't joking?! 1oyvey.gif

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post #51 of 97
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Kind of misleading, and wrong post. For example, my TV has HDMI and USB (as do most). So it will have one small cable from the Chromecast to the USB. On the BACK of the TV.

Nice try, though.

It connects via HDMI not USB, there is a Mini-USB in the back but it is for power.
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post #52 of 97
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Holy frick. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you weren't joking?! 1oyvey.gif


The Chromecast does not have a Google logo on it either.  I know what game Google is playing.  If there is a Google logo on it then Google is fully responsible for the device like Apple. 

post #53 of 97
The Moto X is a meh product based around last generation specifications. However it might be nicely pitched at the mass market if the price is right.

The new Nexus 7 OTOH looks rather good for the price. Shame it's 7".
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OT. Now I know why it's only $35. 

 

 

 

HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA.

 

I think they would have been better off making it into a small AppleTV-esque box. That still has a cable to the TV, and to the plug socket, but doesn't look so awkward.

 

Still, if your TV has a USB port it can power itself off that rather than the power adaptor.

 

The true fault, of course, is that HDMI cannot supply power to an attached device.

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I was curious about the Moto X so did a little research. It is not meant to compete with the S4, HTC One, or even High end Motorola phones. But it does have very impressive specs for a phone at only $299 off contract for the 16GB and $349 for 32GB. It blows aways the specs of most other Android phone sold for less than $500. 

 

 

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/motorola/motorola-x/19975/moto-x-specs-price-and-release-date-rumours


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Personally, I don't think I've ever been prompted to buy something or use a service that was advertised to me in an ad on a web page. I realize they're paying for AI, but sometimes I think I'd rather just pay a subscription fee for access to a website I really enjoy.

 

Come to think of it, what happened to the paid subscriptions here?  

 

I always had one, but it seems to be gone now.  

 

Are they still available?

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It connects via HDMI not USB, there is a Mini-USB in the back but it is for power.

That is what I was saying.
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I know what game Google is playing.  If there is a Google logo on it then Google is fully responsible for the device like Apple. 

Except only an idiot would think that would hold up in court. Every single facet of both devices is Google's responsibility.

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post #59 of 97
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Seriously, if it's really annoying, try going to your Google Dashboard and go into the ad section and remove your search history.

Search history? I understood that he used gmail and after that the ads started to appear, which means Google scans email. Not cool.
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Personally, I don't think I've ever been prompted to buy something or use a service that was advertised to me in an ad on a web page. I realize they're paying for AI, but sometimes I think I'd rather just pay a subscription fee for access to a website I really enjoy.

Bingo. That's why I don't like stuff that's free. Because there is no such thing. Someone, somewhere, put in an effort. And that has to be paid for. In whichever way.
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post #60 of 97
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Google has become big as well, but for all the wrong reasons. I somehow wish companies, all of them, would create products and services that wouldn't need advertising: it would sell on its own. And Google would disappear into irrelevance.

Yet here we are with Apple beginning a more serious push into working with advertisers to deliver better targeted ads using more granular location and search data gathered from their users, putting more effort and emphasis on monetizing their user-base.

If that's the case, so be it. At least they don't seem to scan my email. And if they'd start, I'd use a different service. Or my own. But how to circumvent search. DuckDuckGo.com?
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Why is it that we accept analyst views when they are anti-Google but not when they are anti-Apple?
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Why is it that we accept analyst views when they are anti-Google but not when they are anti-Apple?

 

Taking a gander at the URL you're sitting on might offer a clue.

post #63 of 97
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Have I missed something on MotoX? 326ppi screen.. 5mp camera... Sound like the 3 year old iPhone 4. What is so amazing about this phone? Besides the always listening... Which to be honest I assume will just drain battery life. How hard is holding a button (Siri), have we really gotten THAT lazy? Imagine if your phone is on the coffee table and you're having a chat to someone and your phone starts googling random shit? No thank you.

 

You did miss something. It's a 10mp camera that uses clear filters to let in 50% more light for vastly improved low light performance. The always listening will drain essentially zero battery with the new optimized low-power dedicated CPU core. I fully expect Apple do implement something very similar in terms of separate cores dedicated to specific tasks. Look up the X8 computing structure. It's pretty nifty. The "hot word" to start listening can be user programmed to anything you want so that it is unique enough that it will never come up in conversation.

Being able to have your phone read back to you notification or texts while it's still in your pocket is kinda cool.

 

And FYI, its a 4.7" screen and has the most powerful GPU that can be had in a phone today.

post #64 of 97
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No. The point is it uses off-the-shelf parts with no design at all put into it. Looks at all those butt-ugly components.

 

Who cares what it looks like? It's entirely behind your TV and you'll only have to see it once when you plug it in. I'd rather they have kept the utilitarian look and keep cost down than waste money on making a device you never have to see look 'pretty'. I really like that it's not another device to store on my TV stand and try and find an open outlet for. That's the great thing about consumer choice. We have so many options these days.

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Have I missed something on MotoX? 326ppi screen.. 5mp camera... Sound like the 3 year old iPhone 4. What is so amazing about this phone? Besides the always listening... Which to be honest I assume will just drain battery life. How hard is holding a button (Siri), have we really gotten THAT lazy? Imagine if your phone is on the coffee table and you're having a chat to someone and your phone starts googling random shit? No thank you.

You did miss something. It's a 10mp camera that uses clear filters to let in 50% more light for vastly improved low light performance. The always listening will drain essentially zero battery with the new optimized low-pore dedicated CPU core. I fully expect Apple do implement something very similar in terms of separate cores dedicated to specific tasks..

The iPhone already has this. There's a separate CPU for the baseband, and another one for the OS and apps.

I think the poster got mixed up with yesterday's announcement of that tablet.
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The iPhone already has this. There's a separate CPU for the baseband, and another one for the OS and apps.

I think the poster got mixed up with yesterday's announcement of that tablet.

 

Not even in the same ballpark buddy. The Moto X has 8 cores. 2 for apps, 4 for graphics, 1 for contextual processing, 1 for language processing. With the last two being very low powered so they can be always on and not use any battery.

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Kind of misleading, and wrong post. For example, my TV has HDMI and USB (as do most). So it will have one small cable from the Chromecast to the USB. On the BACK of the TV.

Nice try, though.

Even at $35 it is a rip off.

Kind of wonder why people are complaining Apple's products are expensive.
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You sure


Even at $35 it is a rip off.

Kind of wonder why people are complaining Apple's products are expensive.

 

How is a $35 version of Apple's $100 Apple TV a rip off? Because it does so in a smaller package?

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Search history? I understood that he used gmail and after that the ads started to appear, which means Google scans email. Not cool.

 

Every email provider automatically scans mail.  Most do it only for viruses and spam (remember the big hullabaloo when people found out Apple's server was deleting emails containing "barely legal teen"?).  However, I've read that Google's hotword scanner also uses it for ads.  I think that you can change that by signing into your ad controls at the URL below, and going down to the "opt out" section:

 

https://www.google.com/settings/ads/preferences?hl=en

 

You can also see the ad interest profile they've built up on you, and delete the categories you don't care about any more.  (I do that whenever I get too many ads about something I've already bought.)

 

I wish Apple had a similar dashboard for the iAds profile they've built up using iTunes, etc.

 

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Bingo. That's why I don't like stuff that's free. Because there is no such thing. Someone, somewhere, put in an effort. And that has to be paid for. In whichever way.

 

That's a good point that many forget... that someone has to pay somewhere.

 

But, hmm.  Aren't you using this website for free?   Also Wolfram Alpha, Yahoo and Google via Siri for free?  You must not be too much against free.


Edited by KDarling - 7/25/13 at 11:17am
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Referring to something like the MotoX It's actually the smartphone locally listening for instructions from the user and locally processing voice commands, not "Google listening".

 

So how come voice commands and translation doesn't work on my Galaxy S4 unless there is an Internet connection?

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So how come voice commands and translation doesn't work on my Galaxy S4 unless there is an Internet connection?

 

Because it's not the Moto X, which apparently uses an onboard low-power processor to constantly listen for the wake up phrase.


Edited by KDarling - 7/25/13 at 11:17am
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So how come voice commands and translation doesn't work on my Galaxy S4 unless there is an Internet connection?

 

You're mixing up multiple topics here.

 

You don't have a Moto X with the 8X computing SoC,

Samsung decided to make it's own voice recognition (S-Voice) software and it blows.

Google's voice recognition has been available offline for about a year now.

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Because it's not the Moto X, which uses an onboard low-power processor to constantly listen for the wake up phrase.

 

So you don't think the Moto X will be as big a piece of shit as this:-

 

 

 

Hey what Antivirus do you recommend, I noticed quite a few in the play store in among the crappy live wallpapers and how come Adblock isn't there any more?

 

Is that Google's "walled garden"?

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post #74 of 97
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You're mixing up multiple topics here.

 

You don't have a Moto X with the 8X computing SoC,

Samsung decided to make it's own voice recognition (S-Voice) software and it blows.

Google's voice recognition has been available offline for about a year now.

 

How come this S4 lags, especially the camera?

 

Is that due to the "off the shelf" Qualcomm CPU in the LTE version?

 

Will the 8 core Moto X have LTE or will they have two (or more) models like Samsung does?

 

All you acolytes say these are the best thing since sliced bread.

 

I don't think Apple has much to worry about with Android still being such a steaming pile, apart from all the lame Google supporters attempting brainwashing in fora across the Internet that is.

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post #75 of 97
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Samsung decided to make it's own voice recognition (S-Voice) software and it blows.

 

S-Voice uses Nuance, same as their smart TVs, and the same as Apple's Siri.  

 

Nuance doesn't seem to be as good a recognition engine as what Google created.

 

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... trolling...

 

Don't know.  Don't care.  I'm not here to convince anyone to use or to like (or to hate) anything.   I'm sure you're old enough to make up your own mind.

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How come this S4 lags, especially the camera?

 

Is that due to the "off the shelf" Qualcomm CPU in the LTE version?

 

Will the 8 core Moto X have LTE or will they have two (or more) models like Samsung does?

 

All you acolytes say these are the best thing since sliced bread.

 

I don't think Apple has much to worry about with Android still being such a steaming pile, apart from all the lame Google supporters attempting brainwashing in fora across the Internet that is.

 

Because Samsung puts a UI skin on top of android that is absolutely terrible. And it has twice as many pixels to push as the iPhone 5 does.

 

The moto X has LTE. Look at the universal LTE chip in the Nexus 7. Might even be that exact chip. Probably will be the exact chip that will go into the iPhone 5S.
 

And the dedicated low power CPU cores to always on tasks is the future. I am positive they will come to an Apple device soon.

post #77 of 97
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S-Voice uses Nuance, same as their smart TVs

 

 

The problem is Samsung has their own programming that needs to change the recognized words into the proper outputs and actions. Samsung has completely failed at this part. Even if it hears every word correctly, S-Voice still fails all the time.

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Huge bezels hide a lot, like the need to pack a much larger battery to power that higher res display. 

 

But it actually has a smaller battery than the original Nexus 7 so what exactly is it housing?

post #79 of 97
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Because Samsung puts a UI skin on top of android that is absolutely terrible. And it has twice as many pixels to push as the iPhone 5 does.

 

The moto X has LTE. Look at the universal LTE chip in the Nexus 7. Might even be that exact chip. Probably will be the exact chip that will go into the iPhone 5S.
 

And the dedicated low power CPU cores to always on tasks is the future. I am positive they will come to an Apple device soon.

 

I used a launcher to skin it with stock Jellybean, like my Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4.

 

Lags, lags, lags.

 

Almost everything is duplicated on this piece of junk, which would explain why this 16GB phone only has a little over 8GB of free space.

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Hey what Antivirus do you recommend, I noticed quite a few in the play store in among the crappy live wallpapers and how come Adblock isn't there any more?

 

Is that Google's "walled garden"?

 

I don't like the S4. Samsung destroyed a great device with their terrible software. Download and put stock android on it and then see how it works.

As for antivirus, they are completely useless. I installed one for about 15 minutes after 2 years and hundreds of apps installed and it found absolutely nothing. Because there was nothing ever to find.

 

The Goole app store terms have been the same since it came out. No apps that block ad domains. Google just didn't enforce it until recently. Google is an ad based company, it's surprising it wasn't removed earlier. Fortunately, Android makes it pretty easy to get Adblock on your own, which I have done.

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