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Well if Apple has decided to go downmarket then go all the way and price it at less than $400 unlocked. If a 32GB aluminum iPod touch sells for $299 there's no reason a plastic iPhone should sell for more than $400.

Well it will come in models of course, but thats about right. It needs to be priced at, or below, what the 4S would have been priced at had it been continued. Next year - and this explains the 5 in the 5C - the update on this line is the 6C, built on the 6 internals. I am assuming the new phone this year is called the iPhone 6; however the 5c still sells at $100 or more less, similar to the way the iPod touch market works now.

There may also be a bigger screen model every year, maybe called the iPhone 6S. S for screen.


EDIT: So models this year - 2013/2014 - are the iPhone 6, and iPhone 5c. Next year, the iPhone 7, iPhone 6c, and the iPhone 5c.

Possibly also an iPhone 7s. Thats all they need, leaving the sub $300 market to Andoird.
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Right now, as an iPhone 5 owner, I want an iPhone 5C MORE than I want a 5S.

I'm really sick of the iPhone 5's design. I feel (as pretty as it may be) that it is economically flawed, scratches too easy, dents too easy, and becomes too bulky with a case.

The iPhone 5C, much like the 3G & 3GS, does not need a case at all. And is actually thinner than an iPhone 5 wearing a case or bumper.

Apple would have to blow me away with performance and new features of the 5S to convince me to go that route instead of just getting a 5C. This is the design I actually want.

Maybe Apple are aware of this and the 5S will be constructed from another more durable material (Liquidmetal would be nice but is very-very unlikely!) or maybe they'll PVD or CLD coat the new device to help reduce the scratching and denting issues - it would add to the price but they'll have the mid-tier 5C by then as the more affordable version anyway. I just hope the 5C will incorporate an Apple A-series SoC and not the rumoured off the shelf Samsung item.

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The evidence is overwhelming for this iPhone and people are still thinking all these pictures are fake.

As for Apple using plastic packaging: iPad Shuffle, iPod Classic, iPod Touch, iPod Nano, iPod Headphones, and I'm sure there is more if I thought about it. If they use a clear front like the iPod packaging, that phone is going to look very drool worth with all the different colors.
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Isn't anyone around at AI to correct that "peaks" in the second paragraph of the story to "peeks"?

Edit: why bother..
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I'm all for the iPhone lite, but I don't believe this one. Plastic packaging? No. One thing I like about Apple is their efforts to reduce their environmental footprint. This doesn't do that.

Have they ever packaged using plastic?

 

Agree.  I'd think that Apple would use bio-degradable paper and cardboard for the larger iDevices.

But yes, some of the iPods and earbuds come in plastic packaging.

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If the low-cost iPhone is called the iPhone 5C, then two years from now Apple will be either 1. forced to bump the iPhone's numerical designation every year or 2. drop the numbering scheme entirely.

 

This is how the iPhone naming scheme appears to evolving:

2013: iPhone 5S and iPhone 5C

2014: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6C

2015: iPhone 7 and iPhone 7C or "the new iPhone" and "the new iPhone C"

2016: iPhone 8 and iPhone 8C or "the new iPhone" and "the new iPhone C"

etc.

 

Starting in 2015, the two models will just be called "the new iPhone" and "the new iPhone C."

If and only if this year's low-cost model is called "5C."

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Then the high end will be called iphone 6, so next year we have iphone 6c and not iphone 5 sc

 

Exactly.  I will be somewhat surprised if Apple releases a product called the iPhone 5S.  People assume that when Apple does something twice that they are locked into that pattern forever.  We've seen plenty of times when Apple changes course, especially on something minor like a product naming convention.

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And what happens in 2014 when presumably the 6 comes out? What will this phone be called then?

The horrible punster in me can't help thinking of a terrible ad campaign, "I'm Too 6C For My Phone," by Right Said Fred.

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Maybe Apple are aware of this and the 5S will be constructed from another more durable material (Liquidmetal would be nice but is very-very unlikely!) or maybe they'll PVD or CLD coat the new device to help reduce the scratching and denting issues - it would add to the price but they'll have the mid-tier 5C by then as the more affordable version anyway. I just hope the 5C will incorporate an Apple A-series SoC and not the rumoured off the shelf Samsung item.

It will be made from IGZO and unicorn hair.

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I agree about the top row being the closest to the leaks we've seen.  I think the reasoning here is "bright" colours, but avoiding the eye-bleeding primary colours used by Nokia and Windows Phone if only to differentiate themselves.  

I think it also makes sense not to do black, because the type of guys that like the black gear will more likely go for the high end metal phone than a plastic phone.  

 

I wonder why there is no purple or pink though?  These are this years two hottest colours along with the sort of coral-pinkish-orange they do show.  

 

Personally, I would totally buy a grape coloured iPhone.  

 

If anyone wants a business idea, start making stickers like this to sell on eBay:

 

Edit: I kinda want one already.  1smile.gif  Here's hoping they are at least slightly better specs than the current iPhone 5 so I can upgrade. 

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Exactly.  I will be somewhat surprised if Apple releases a product called the iPhone 5S.  People assume that when Apple does something twice that they are locked into that pattern forever.  We've seen plenty of times when Apple changes course, especially on something minor like a product naming convention.

Precisely. Particularly people who think Apple has a regular schedule for reinventing stuff based on past cadence.

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I will be somewhat surprised if Apple releases a product called the iPhone 5S.

Why? It's obvious that's what the product will be. Apple's known for doing the opposite of what people expect except when they expect it.

I'll leave it to the readers to see if I'm being sarcastic.

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C is for crap

 

You can call it crap all you want, but I'll bet the farm these will sell very well, especially to the younger people. 

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Right now, as an iPhone 5 owner, I want an iPhone 5C MORE than I want a 5S.

I'm really sick of the iPhone 5's design. I feel (as pretty as it may be) that it is economically flawed, scratches too easy, dents too easy, and becomes too bulky with a case.

The iPhone 5C, much like the 3G & 3GS, does not need a case at all. And is actually thinner than an iPhone 5 wearing a case or bumper.

Apple would have to blow me away with performance and new features of the 5S to convince me to go that route instead of just getting a 5C. This is the design I actually want.

I have to agree. The iPhone 5 design is svelte but not practical in many ways. It requires quite a bit of precision to build correctly and defect free, but doesn't use an especially high grade aluminum or anodizing process.

The iPhone 5C should be far easier to build right out the box, and wear better.
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The iPhone 5 design is svelte but not practical in many ways. It requires quite a bit of precision to build correctly and defect free, but doesn't use an especially high grade aluminum or anodizing process.

And yet nobody pines for a thicker, plastic bodied MacBook Pro...

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It's a wild guess but maybe it's iPhone 5S built for Russian market? Letter S is written as C in russian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1 , but like I said it's a wild guess and I may be completely off...
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How much money will Apple save by switching from metal to plastic?  I can't see that knocking more than $10 off the price.

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Apple should produce these in 65 different colors with certain colors only available in certain regions or countries. If someone wants purple they might need to go California to get it or to the Midwest for brown or France for....

 

I liked the shape of the 3SG in my hand or sliding it into my pocket. I like the esthetics of the 4s and the 5. The glass back of the 4s are probably the most expensive to manufacture.

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post #99 of 217

C most likely would stand for Consumer since it's their non-business version of the phone.

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The name is really awful. Also it seems that Tim Cook doubled down on secrecy on products once again 1biggrin.gif

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People were complaining about Apple products being too expensive? Well they got their wish, this phone is for them. They can kindly stfu now, IMO.

 

Not quite yet... we still need a 15" laptop that doesn't cost as much as a diamond ring. Right now the only way to get a MacBook under ~$2000 is to settle for a 13" screen.

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Not quite yet... we still need a 15" laptop that doesn't cost as much as a diamond ring. Right now the only way to get a MacBook under ~$2000 is to settle for a 13" screen.

Well, unless you consider $1799 to be "under ~$2000" as most people would. Or you could buy a refurb for $1449.
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You can call it crap all you want, but I'll bet the farm these will sell very well, especially to the younger people. 

Does selling a lot somehow stop the product from being crap?
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Also it seems that Tim Cook doubled down on secrecy on products once again

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The iPhone packaging up until now has been a plain card oars box, but here they are switching to an all plastic, all curved design which seems on the face of it to be less environmental, more expensive, harder to make, and perhaps shows off the product less.  

 

Actually the card stock version is more expensive. With that version they have a four step process. Die cut, glue, print the 4-color, then laminate it to the box. Very labor intensive and quite slow with high defect rate. Injection moulding is much faster and only has two steps. Mold and screen print and it runs entirely automated.

 

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Agree.  I'd think that Apple would use bio-degradable paper and cardboard for the larger iDevices.

But yes, some of the iPods and earbuds come in plastic packaging.

Bio-degradable does not represent some major success for recyclable materials. It represents fail as paper should not end up in the land fill to start with. The injection molded packaging may already be made with some recycled plastic and should be recycled again if disposed of properly.

 

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How much money will Apple save by switching from metal to plastic?  I can't see that knocking more than $10 off the price.

 

Material costs are only one aspect of the price, labor is another and the molded case will save substantially in that respect. When producing the beveled anodized aluminum cases the labor and defect rate are extremely high. Molded plastic is really easy to achieve near zero defects. When manufacturing in such huge volume you need to calculate all the costs. They are likely saving pennies on every step.

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It's a wild guess but maybe it's iPhone 5S built for Russian market? Letter S is written as C in russian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1 , but like I said it's a wild guess and I may be completely off...

Maybe. I would also buy that "C" will be seen in China as significant.
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How much money will Apple save by switching from metal to plastic?  I can't see that knocking more than $10 off the price.

My information, based on remote viewing of Tim Cook's spreadsheets, is that all that metal handling costs twice as much as the screen, or $70, plus you have to throw in another $30 on amortizing the machinery, and then add the markup, so you're at near $200 retail. Take with a dumptruck of road salt, as in the image TS supplied the other day.
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When producing the beveled anodized aluminum cases the labor and defect rate are extremely high. Molded plastic is really easy to achieve near zero defects.

Kindly cite defect rates in actual numbers, not hand-waving hyperbole.

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When producing the beveled anodized aluminum cases the labor and defect rate are extremely high. Molded plastic is really easy to achieve near zero defects.

Kindly cite defect rates in actual numbers, not hand-waving hyperbole.

Did you miss the article where Apple sent hundreds of thousands of iPhones back to Foxcon due to defects in manufacturing?

 

Or the one that stated Foxcon said the iPhone 5 was the most difficult device to manufacture or the article that stated that they had to manufacture dozens of different size glass inserts to accommodate the slight irregularities in the case machining?

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I have to agree. The iPhone 5 design is svelte but not practical in many ways. It requires quite a bit of precision to build correctly and defect free, but doesn't use an especially high grade aluminum or anodizing process.

The iPhone 5C should be far easier to build right out the box, and wear better.

And you know this how? Do you work at Apple?

Btw, the black HTC One scuffs too, so I suppose they don't use high grade materials either?
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Did you miss the article where Apple sent hundreds of thousands of iPhones back to Foxcon due to defects in manufacturing?

Or the one that stated Foxcon said the iPhone 5 was the most difficult device to manufacture or the article that stated that they had to manufacture dozens of different size glass inserts to accommodate the slight irregularities in the case machining?
When did Apple ever confirm that story? We have no idea if it was true or not. I don't argue that iPhone 5 is difficult to manufacture but I also don't believe every story I read either as when it comes to Apple, lots of stuff gets written that can never be proven.
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Kindly cite defect rates in actual numbers, not hand-waving hyperbole.
If Apple had a huge defect rate wouldn't that ultimately show up in their financials? Wouldn't they have to expense all these defective iPhones?

This reminds me of all these shipped doesn't equal sold arguments but no one is ever able to show financial data on all these write offs of unsold phones.
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Has anyone mentioned that the "c" could be for "compact"?

It could just be the iPhone 5 but in a much much smaller casing similar to the iPod Touch.

Just an idea.
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Or rather, brilliant?

iPhone 5C stands for Color. It is a big deal to have colored iPhones like this for the first time.

It also subtly stands for Cheap, which relatively speaking (relative to 5S) it will be.

It is positively brilliant, and there really is no other take on that.

I agree that this is brilliant, with the explicit focus being "color," and the tacit implication being "cheap(er)." I think this will be especially significant as the main iPhone loses color. I think the ultimate design direction is going to be similar to the current iPod touch, hopefully using liquid metal. (*) An all metal back, combined with a shrinking bezel, leaves little room for color; just sleek metal and glass. This also leaves open the use of a pro moniker, while maintaining the number scheme helps people feel comfortable they have the newer version, as the phone design is going to start looking more homogenous as time goes on.

Here's how I see it playing out:
2013: iPhone 5c, iPhone 5s
2014: iPhone 6c, iPhone 6
2015: iPhone 6c, iPhone 6s, iPhone 6 Pro
2016: iPhone c, iPhone, iPhone Pro

*Before someone mentions radio opacity, just remember Apple's patent about embedding radio antennas into very thin openings in a metal enclosure.

   

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Oh! Remember the fake packaging for the iPhone 5 two years ago? The Chinese printing press that was creating the 5 at the time the 4S came out?

There you go, more dissent.

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Kindly cite defect rates in actual numbers, not hand-waving hyperbole.
If Apple had a huge defect rate wouldn't that ultimately show up in their financials? Wouldn't they have to expense all these defective iPhones?

This reminds me of all these shipped doesn't equal sold arguments but no one is ever able to show financial data on all these write offs of unsold phones.

Not really. Foxcon is selling the iPhones to Apple. Defects are built into their contract. If a worker screws up a part, that adds to Foxcon's expenses.

 

Perhaps I could have included the word probably. But for some reason SN needs to single me out asking for exact numbers to argue against my perfectly reasonable assumption that there are a lot of things that could go wrong with making such a complex case. It should be perfectly obvious to anyone who has even the slightest experience in these manufacturing processes. For one thing in comparing injection molding to the machined case the molded case has one step. If that step fails you have only lost a second or two of machine time and 2 cents worth of plastic. In the case of the machined part each step, of many, is building upon the previous step. If in the final beveling you get a knick as was reported by some users, you have thrown out all of the previous steps and the associated labor cost.

 

It is so damn obvious it seem ludicrous to debate. Anyone who asks for exact figures for something that is clearly unknowable is just being a smart ass, especially if the premise is totally logical.

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Just had a thought that if Apple came out with an iPhone that has a larger screen, that it would want to continue making phones with smaller screens. The smaller one would of course cost less.

 

Therefore, to differentiate between the 2, the smaller one would have the "c" for "compact" and the larger one would just be the iPhone.

 

The goal would be to get the smaller one as small as possible and not worry so much about always have the latest hardware and the larger one would always have the latest hardware.

 

Thoughts?

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That's actually the back of the case for the iPhone 5C. It's got a 168 hour battery.
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Oh! Remember the fake packaging for the iPhone 5 two years ago? The Chinese printing press that was creating the 5 at the time the 4S came out?

There you go, more dissent.

True, however in that previous instance there were several things wrong with that photo. Producing that single fake press sheet could have been done for less than $100 where as these molded cases would require somewhere in the neighborhood of $100,000 for making the die, Of course they could have been printed on a 3D printer for considerably less so yeah they could be fake, sure. They also could be a mold for some completely unrelated product that someone just screen printed with iPhone 5C for a joke.

 

They look pretty real to me.

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This is totally tasteless, so … I think you might be right.  

The "New" Apple has a hard-on for California ("it's the place you oughta be"), and the bad taste to shove it in everyones face, so it kind of fits.  

They may brand it as a California style phone that is waterproof and durable for all those people who are surfing and playing sports like in the commercials.
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C for childish as in making cheap crap comment.

 

Says Adam "C" as in … :P

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You can call it crap all you want, but I'll bet the farm these will sell very well, especially to the younger people. 

 

Assuming it has better specs than whatever your current phone is, I think it will sell well to a lot of people. Especially if they do as expected and sell it in the Apple Store for $350 or so.  

 

For instance I now have the iPhone 5.  If I want to upgrade it this year, it's $200 at the (horrible, rapacious, underhanded, asshole) carrier store, and I have to sign in blood for another 2 years.  If there was a phone of similar specification that I could walk into an (pleasant, helpful, cheery) Apple store and buy off the shelf for $350 to replace it with, I probably would.  Swap the sim and away you go.  I could also sell or pass-on my old phone to someone so there is an extra value there too.  

 

If you change the equation so that instead of me and my iPhone 5, it's someone else with an iPhone 4 or 4s, the case is even easier to make.  Even at $400 they would be shovelling these things out the door.  

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