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This is what Daniel Eran Dilger really thinks about Google, in his own words and from less than 48 months ago:

"I think Google is a fantastic company on many levels, ranging from its commitment to supporting open, interoperable software development to its core business model that effectively churns out free (well, ad-supported) services that almost always work well and are quite reliable. I use Google’s services every day. I earn some money from Google AdSense from the properties that publish my articles. While I think the tech media sometimes gives Google a free pass in some areas where it deserves scrutiny, Google’s track record in playing fair, in supporting the environment, in treating its employees well, in not immediately selling out in human rights issues to gain access to China, and many other areas is much better than most of its peers."


i bet there was a big BUT.... starting the next paragraph.
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post #122 of 138
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i bet there was a big BUT.... starting the next paragraph.

Surprisingly there was not. This is the next paragraph:
"As for Android, while I see lots of obvious problems that I think the media is ignoring or glossing over in their simplistic desire to write up a compelling underdog piece, I have never described Google’s smartphone plans as being a competitor or threat to the iPhone. My first article on the subject presented that the rumored “gPhone” was not going to be a hardware competitor to the iPhone at all, but rather a software platform that would target Windows Mobile. I was completely right."
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post #123 of 138

How is it that Google slows down the pace of Android and all of the sudden they are "abandoning" it?  By the same argument, Apple, until iOS 7, had been abandoning iOS for the last several years.  It seems more logical that Android started out behind, but more recently is at a point of refinement rather than evolution.  

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The discovery that Google's new Chromecast web streaming device is based on Google TV code stripped of Android features provides additional evidence that Google is working to distance itself from the Android platform that the company developed under the management of Andy Rubin.

 

It looks like a technical decision, not a political one.  You yourself said so later on when you hedged your headline and wrote:
 
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The most obvious reason for Google to drop compatibility with Android apps on Chromecast is to be able to offer the device at a very low price using minimal hardware; its new "casting" feature that's so simple it doesn't need a user interface or the ability to run apps of its own.

 

Right.  No UI or apps.  Using Android in the dongle would be like using iOS in a Lightning cable.  Just no need for it.

 
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Dalvik is the higher-level virtual machine of Android that runs apps. Android's Dalvik is essentially a rewritten, optimized variant of Sun's Java VM, an issue that has spawned a legal fight between Google and Oracle after the latter acquired Sun and accused Android of infringing its intellectual property.

 

That should probably be "had spawned", since Oracle lost.

 
The highlight of that trial was when a non-programmer Oracle lawyer opined about how a single small but identical range check function would take him six months to write, and therefore its existence was key evidence of an intent to copy.
 
The judge responded that he himself programmed in his spare time, had written such a function a hundred times before, and that a high school kid could do one in no time.  
 
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Danger, will Rubin son!

 

Kudos for cleverness.

Edited by KDarling - 7/31/13 at 9:51pm
post #125 of 138

And just now Google/Motorola announced a new smartphone running Android.  So much for them ditching it.  

 

The real reason Chromecast isn't running Android - on a low power streaming device, they don't need to.  A Linux kernel, their C library and a few random bits is all they need - putting Dalvik on the device would be serious overkill.  It's as simple as that.

post #126 of 138
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And just now Google/Motorola announced a new smartphone running Android.  So much for them ditching it. 

You should know the editorials on here aren't exactly realistic. They're just pandering. Some of the comments are more interesting than the articles. I mean to say that sometimes poor editorial pieces still elicit interesting comments.

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Some of the comments are more interesting than the articles.

Fully agree. There are many useful posts and points being made here, often with a link.
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When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
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post #130 of 138

Thanks for that link. It led me to this article on the book copying of Google, a good read.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/13/let-google-be-a-little-evil/
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post #131 of 138

How does your link rebut the link you responded to?
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How does your link rebut the link you responded to?

There's nothing much that needs rebuttal in the first link. The author of that blog article is in general asking questions based on "if this is true, then could this also happen". He's not making predictions.
Edited by Gatorguy - 8/11/13 at 6:28am
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How does your link rebut the link you responded to?
Who said it does, it shows Google using OpenSource as an outlet to be less evil, I thought it was funny. Why are questioning my motives?
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post #134 of 138
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Yeah and Amazon barely makes money either. Giving things away is not a profitable business model but what a boon for consumers!

The very best of socialism. Amazon employs thousands, generates business for thousands of companies who employ thousands and provide and awesome almost-at-cost service to consumers while trickling up meager profits to rich investors who contribute nothing.

The only one who seems to be making a fortune is Bezos himself, billions!
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post #135 of 138
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Who said it does, it shows Google using OpenSource as an outlet to be less evil, I thought it was funny. Why are questioning my motives?

 

I didn't question your motives, it's just that there appeared to be no linkage between what you wrote in relation to the position of the OP...that Google's Android business model had failed.

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There's nothing much that needs rebuttal in the first link. The author of that blog article is in general asking questions based on "if this is true, then could this also happen". He's not making predictions.

 

Please, he's being a wimp while also trying to linkbait that Google's android business model failed.   It's not a silly position but it's also not very profound or original.  It's rather an amusing site unsuccessfully attempting to troll freetards for traffic with the name open source strategies with post like how the Win8 UI is awesome..

 

The ROI for Android doesn't seem all that positive for Google and they've made some former friends into enemies along the way.  Pursuing webapps, chrome and the Google ecosystem in hindsight would have been a better option.  Where would Chrome be today if Google had poured the Android billions and technical resources into?  You can cut Google out of Android as Amazon and the Chinese have done and perhaps soon even Samsung but you can't cut Google out of Chrome and Google Web Apps.  They would have had deeper strategic ties with Apple and likely Nokia and Blackberry as Apple and Samsung (with a linux handset) hammered them.  

 

Microsoft has been executing their mobile vision (such as it is) so poorly that it would not likely have grown share.

post #137 of 138
If the article premise were true Google has a strange way of "abandoning Android" with apparent news today that GoogleTV is being re-branded as Android TV. Additionally (some or all?) existing Google TV devices are reportedly soon being updated to Android Jellybean.

EDIT: The number one seller in Electronics at Amazon? Apparently the Chromecast.

Edit2: Weeks later in November and the Chromecast is still the number one seller in Amazon electronics and still rising.
Edited by Gatorguy - 11/8/13 at 4:57am
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post #138 of 138
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If the article premise were true Google has a strange way of "abandoning Android" with apparent news today that GoogleTV is being re-branded as Android TV. Additionally (some or all?) existing Google TV devices are reportedly soon being updated to Android Jellybean.

EDIT: The number one seller in Electronics at Amazon? Apparently the Chromecast.

 

Well, if they want to ditch Android it is also strange that they develop a Dalvik replacement like they're doing with the new ART runtime

 

https://source.android.com/devices/tech/dalvik/art.html

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