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In addition to the fourth beta of iOS 7, Apple also provided developers with new pre-release versions of iTunes 11.1, featuring iTunes Radio support, and Apple TV 5.4, with a number of bug fixes.

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People familiar with "Apple TV 5.4 Seed 3" said it fixes a number of issues, including problems that would cause tracks to skip or music to fail to start over AirPlay. An issue with iTunes Radio that could cause the Apple TV to crash, and a bug that would cause audio volume to increase dramatically during AirPlay use have also been fixed.

Apple notified developers that they can now use an iOS 7 device to set up an Apple TV after restoring or resetting all settings. This ability is not available on an iPhone 4 or iPad 2.

The release notes accompanying the third beta of Apple TV 5.4 reportedly do not include any known issues with the pre-release software.

As for iTunes 11.1 beta 1, the minor update includes support for Apple's new iTunes Radio service. Previously, developers were only able to test this function on a device running iOS 7.

iTunes Radio is set to launch this fall, offering free ad-supported streaming in a fashion similar to Pandora.

Update: Subsequent testing from German blog Schimanke.com reportedly shows the latest Apple TV 5.4 beta brings back music purchasing capabilities via iTunes.
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I wonder if we're getting some juicy finds from the AppleTV 5.4 software update.
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Here's hoping they surprise us this fall with some more Apple TV news....

There's really no need to upgrade the ATV to another iteration until they change something with the software or increase it's capability. The A5 is more than enough. Although I'm sure some want wireless ac.

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Well, we know there is going to be a new Apple TV at some point. You are going to need one capable of 4K for that extra MacPro desktop. 1wink.gif

Short of that... Where is the AppStore support? Seeing what people can create will be awesome, but the initial sizzle will be content providers making apps to enable the platform.
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Take it out of Beta!

 

Gimme, gimme, gimme...

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Will apple ever make an app store for the apple TV & let us download our own?

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Will apple ever make an app store for the apple TV & let us download our own?

Every time this comes up, I keep asking why you need one. No one ever has an answer worth the bytes needed to host it. "Well, native apps." That's not an answer. And good luck controlling them with a D-pad and one button. "Well, new touchscreen remote." It's called every iDevice on the market right now, which then goes back to the original question of why you wouldn't just use the apps already on said device.

So why do you need one? AirPlay lets you have the entire App Store on your Apple TV already. There aren't any "apps" that make sense to put on Apple TV alone that won't be available from Apple as Channels eventually.

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Will apple ever make an app store for the apple TV & let us download our own?

 

This doesnt means they wont come up with something like an Apple TV app store or major changes.  If they do they wont spoil it in advance with beta software.

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If your using a ipad to AirPlay the don't cover the whole screen. Apple needs to think of more ways to out do others
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Every time this comes up, I keep asking why you need one. No one ever has an answer worth the bytes needed to host it. "Well, native apps." That's not an answer. And good luck controlling them with a D-pad and one button. "Well, new touchscreen remote." It's called every iDevice on the market right now, which then goes back to the original question of why you wouldn't just use the apps already on said device.

So why do you need one? AirPlay lets you have the entire App Store on your Apple TV already. There aren't any "apps" that make sense to put on Apple TV alone that won't be available from Apple as Channels eventually.

I don't know whether it would require an app store but there are a couple of wants that could be met with independent apps.

1. I would like to be be able to play videos directly from my NAS.  Even my Samsung TV can do that. 

2.  Access other on line video content.  Many TV stations already will stream content to computers

 

Airplay doesn't work well for either of those.

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If your using a ipad to AirPlay the don't cover the whole screen. Apple needs to think of more ways to out do others

 

imo the Apple TV app store will feed on iphone apps, not ipad apps.  But even on ipads, video will resize to 16:9 once you hit play. For mirroring ipad apps it sucks indeed.

 

A lot of games will glitch over airplay too. I see many reasons to open a native app store. Especially with the game controller API Apple introduce at WWDC. Also, openning the app store will allow to install HTPC style apps without jailbreak. Those apps will allow to stream from network drives like timecapsuled. Major improvement imo.

 

What I would like to see is new hardware with an A5X and 16/32/64/128 SSD options.  With this and an App store Apple would enter the game console market for starters. imo a $49 game controller would do a better job at controlling everthing then the actual remote.


Edited by herbapou - 7/29/13 at 12:00pm
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Why couldn't I get an "App" that was nothing more than a year subscription to Comedy Central, or SciFy, Discovery or other TV channel for $10? I will gladly drop $150-200 on the channels I actually want; and drop my Comcast/Dishnetwork bill like a bad habit.
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 The A5 is more than enough. Although I'm sure some want wireless ac.

 

The A5 in the Apple TV are rejects with only one core activated. Would be a big step just to upgrate to real A5X, which would be enough for 1080p and gaming. But if they really enter gaming I hope they make one model with the A6X which would almost be at game console level so it would be enough power to run high end games at 1080p.

 

Also, if Apple gets serious on gaming in the Apple TV, the big players will start porting the high end stuff, which will also help the iphone, ipod touch and ipad offering. There iOS games are flood with Angry Bird style games, we need more stuff based on unreal engine. So far we have a few sports game, dungeon defenders and infinite blade, so we basicly have no high end stuff on iOS.


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Every time this comes up, I keep asking why you need one. No one ever has an answer worth the bytes needed to host it. "Well, native apps." That's not an answer. And good luck controlling them with a D-pad and one button. "Well, new touchscreen remote." It's called every iDevice on the market right now, which then goes back to the original question of why you wouldn't just use the apps already on said device.

So why do you need one? AirPlay lets you have the entire App Store on your Apple TV already. There aren't any "apps" that make sense to put on Apple TV alone that won't be available from Apple as Channels eventually.

Being able to stream from Amazon Prime would be a nice addition for me.
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1. I would like to be be able to play videos directly from my NAS.  Even my Samsung TV can do that. 

 

Apple is getting a lot behind on the TV side indeed. I wish they would take that market seriously, they could do some many things.

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Every time this comes up, I keep asking why you need one. No one ever has an answer worth the bytes needed to host it. "Well, native apps." That's not an answer. And good luck controlling them with a D-pad and one button. "Well, new touchscreen remote." It's called every iDevice on the market right now, which then goes back to the original question of why you wouldn't just use the apps already on said device.

So why do you need one? AirPlay lets you have the entire App Store on your Apple TV already. There aren't any "apps" that make sense to put on Apple TV alone that won't be available from Apple as Channels eventually.

Because there are times that I want the Apple TV to be independent of my phone or iPad. There are times I just don't want to tether my phone to the device.
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1. I would like to be be able to play videos directly from my NAS.

A million times this.
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2.  Access other on line video content.  Many TV stations already will stream content to computers. Airplay doesn't work well for either of those.

How so? It's just like any other feature of outputting OS X or iOS to your TV.
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Being able to stream from Amazon Prime would be a nice addition for me.

And there you go: eventually there will be a dedicated option for that, because it's video content. It'll have an interface like the options available now. And if the iOS app doesn't AirPlay now, that's Amazon's choosing.
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Because there are times that I want the Apple TV to be independent of my phone or iPad. There are times I just don't want to tether my phone to the device.

Well, sure! That's something Apple TV has over its competitors already. Like I said, we'll soon see a large proportion of online video services available through Apple TV, continuing to push sales. And if the NFL ever gets their pigskin out of their helmets, I see another, even larger push.

BUT, Apple should be concentrating on signing their own deals with the content creators rather than giving users completely useless software on the Apple TV that requires a subscription from cable or satellite. 1hmm.gif

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Will apple ever make an app store for the apple TV & let us download our own?

Every time this comes up, I keep asking why you need one. No one ever has an answer worth the bytes needed to host it. "Well, native apps." That's not an answer. And good luck controlling them with a D-pad and one button. "Well, new touchscreen remote." It's called every iDevice on the market right now, which then goes back to the original question of why you wouldn't just use the apps already on said device.

So why do you need one? AirPlay lets you have the entire App Store on your Apple TV already. There aren't any "apps" that make sense to put on Apple TV alone that won't be available from Apple as Channels eventually.

You could do much more robust action games (higher FPS, resolution, etc.) that had an iDevice component and an AppleTV component. AirPlay (or whatever) would just need to exchange location coordinates and status [changes] between the two devices -- rather than exchange the entire shitscreenload of data. You could have some fantastic multiplayer games. The ATV app component could be stored in your iTunes Library and cross-loaded when desired.

Other uses for native app components on the ATV include presos containing graphics, animation, etc. Very useful for business , medical, military, education...


Try that on your ChromeChaste!
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You could do much more robust action games (higher FPS, resolution, etc.) that had an iDevice component and an AppleTV component. AirPlay (or whatever) would just need to exchange location coordinates and status [changes] between the two devices -- rather than exchange the entire shitscreenload of data. You could have some fantastic multiplayer games. The ATV app component could be stored in your iTunes Library and cross-loaded when desires.

Is time lost due to data transmission an issue anymore with 802.11ac? You'd know better than I.
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Other uses for native app components on the ATV include presos containing graphics, animation, etc. Very useful for business , medical, military, education…

Aha! A standalone Keynote player for Apple TV! Have it pull down your account's Keynote presentations that you've stored in iCloud! Very nice!

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About streaming form a network drive to Apple TV without a computer in the loop:

 

MoliPlayer HD says it can stream directly from a NAS. If it supports airplay then its possible we have solution to stream from NAS into the Apple TV using airplay. ITs free so I will test it.

 

FileBrowserLite is worth a shot too.  It says it will play a mp4/m4v file from timecapsuled. If the video is compatible with the ipad, it should worked. UPDATE : IT WORKS. was able to connect to TimeCapsuled and Airplay a .m4v file.  Use a blank username and the wifi password to connect. You will need to buy the full version to really used it, the lite is for evaluation.

 

Buzz Player would access a FTP NAS (not supported by time capsuled) and play pretty much any video format using the ipad to convert on the fly. I guess that it will  glitch if you add airplay to Apple TV on top of it. to be tested if you have a NAS that support FTP, I dont.


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Will apple ever make an app store for the apple TV & let us download our own?"

Every time this comes up, I keep asking why you need one. No one ever has an answer worth the bytes needed to host it. "Well, native apps." That's not an answer. And good luck controlling them with a D-pad and one button. "Well, new touchscreen remote." It's called every iDevice on the market right now, which then goes back to the original question of why you wouldn't just use the apps already on said device.

So why do you need one? AirPlay lets you have the entire App Store on your Apple TV already. There aren't any "apps" that make sense to put on Apple TV alone that won't be available from Apple as Channels eventually."

battery life of my iPhone or iPad, imagine the Apple TV with the new Bluetooth Controller API's (maybe they'll have to add Bluetooth to the next iteration), it's now a console capable of playing some of the funniest games around, that's gotta be an interesting draw.
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You could do much more robust action games (higher FPS, resolution, etc.) that had an iDevice component and an AppleTV component. AirPlay (or whatever) would just need to exchange location coordinates and status [changes] between the two devices -- rather than exchange the entire shitscreenload of data. You could have some fantastic multiplayer games. The ATV app component could be stored in your iTunes Library and cross-loaded when desires.

Is time lost due to data transmission an issue anymore with 802.11ac? You'd know better than I.

The best way to answer the need for bandwidth is an old Naw'Lins saying: "Too much is never enough!".

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Other uses for native app components on the ATV include presos containing graphics, animation, etc. Very useful for business , medical, military, education…

Aha! A standalone Keynote player for Apple TV! Have it pull down your account's Keynote presentations that you've stored in iCloud! Very nice!

Or a doctor sharing XRays and scan images with others...

Or the history teacher presenting the Battle of Thermopylae (or the scenes from 911) overlaid on renditions of maps of the era, then compared to live maps of today...

Or Military war gaming -- My company won a $1 million bid with the US Army in the mid 1980s (100 computers in 10 Classroom LANs). Today that could be done much, much better with 10 Macs, 10 ATVs, and 100 iPads for less than 1/10 the cost. Not to mention the much better capabilities for custom programming.
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A million times this.
How so? It's just like any other feature of outputting OS X or iOS to your TV.
 

How do you play something from your NAS?  I don't run itunes all the time and when I do it tends to disconnect, it is on a windows machine after all.  Many of the videos I get from TV stations are using Flash so an iOS device simply won't work.

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Many of the videos I get from TV stations are using Flash so an iOS device simply won't work.

Oh, I see. Silly that it's still used instead of H.264 streaming, huh.

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Oh, I see. Silly that it's still used instead of H.264 streaming, huh.

Agreed!

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How do you play something from your NAS?  I don't run itunes all the time and when I do it tends to disconnect, it is on a windows machine after all.  Many of the videos I get from TV stations are using Flash so an iOS device simply won't work.

A NAS includes a file server.
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Anyone else still having problems logging in to the Dev center? I just get the following:

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Let's hope an Apple TV SDK is coming out in Q3, so we can finally reach the true potential of this little gem!
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Every time this comes up, I keep asking why you need one. No one ever has an answer worth the bytes needed to host it. "Well, native apps." That's not an answer. And good luck controlling them with a D-pad and one button. "Well, new touchscreen remote." It's called every iDevice on the market right now, which then goes back to the original question of why you wouldn't just use the apps already on said device.

So why do you need one? AirPlay lets you have the entire App Store on your Apple TV already. There aren't any "apps" that make sense to put on Apple TV alone that won't be available from Apple as Channels eventually.

 

Being able to stream from Amazon Prime would be a nice addition for me.

 

This.   The AppleTV app store will be a 'channel' purchaser.  you go to the store, select your 'channels', and put them up on your screen.   The app store, curated by Apple will effectively be the imprimatur that it's content that Apple wants you to see on your Apple TV.

 

HOWEVER. the 'iTV'  secret sauce  will be the ability for Apple to search for content within these channels.   

 

I want a search  button on the Apple TV that allows me the following intelligence

 

    Please search NetFlix, iTunes, Amazon Prime for 'Breaking Bad'  and provide a clickable links to each episode in most recent first, quality of content (1080 vs 720 5.1 vs 2.1 etc), and list cost of watching.

 

and

 

    Please search (Netflix, iTunes, Amazon, YouTube, ThePirateBay, Local storage)  for all shows with 'Ed Begley, Jr.' listed as an cast member.

 

    Please send me a notification (icloud) when new content loads matching Search X.

 

among other search functions

 

Having a ton of apps into various data stores does me nothing if there isn't a Search API that Apple enforces that allows these channels to become part of a singular, immersive experience.

 

I don't mind spending $4.99 for an iTunes or Amazon Prime Movie, but I hate to spend it if I've already bought it through my Netflix subscription.

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Every time this comes up, I keep asking why you need one. No one ever has an answer worth the bytes needed to host it. "Well, native apps." That's not an answer. And good luck controlling them with a D-pad and one button. "Well, new touchscreen remote." It's called every iDevice on the market right now, which then goes back to the original question of why you wouldn't just use the apps already on said device.

So why do you need one? AirPlay lets you have the entire App Store on your Apple TV already. There aren't any "apps" that make sense to put on Apple TV alone that won't be available from Apple as Channels eventually.

Not true- I gave you a couple reasons in a previous thread and you agreed. I just don't remember what it was- but I'm sure it was great. Lol

I know one was a screensaver app with sports scores or news scroll, Photostream, and whatever music streamer of your choice. Maybe the other was karaoke. Hah

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imo the Apple TV app store will feed on iphone apps, not ipad apps.  But even on ipads, video will resize to 16:9 once you hit play. For mirroring ipad apps it sucks indeed.

A lot of games will glitch over airplay too. I see many reasons to open a native app store. Especially with the game controller API Apple introduce at WWDC. Also, openning the app store will allow to install HTPC style apps without jailbreak. Those apps will allow to stream from network drives like timecapsuled. Major improvement imo.

What I would like to see is new hardware with an A5X and 16/32/64/128 SSD options.  With this and an App store Apple would enter the game console market for starters. imo a $49 game controller would do a better job at controlling everthing then the actual remote.
I said "unless serious software changes are made". 1wink.gif
Of course you'd need a faster chip then. But until that day, there's no need to upgrade it.

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I just don't remember what it was- but I'm sure it was great. Lol

I like that.
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I know one was a screensaver app with sports scores or news scroll, Photostream, and whatever music streamer of your choice.

Ah, that could be an easy addition to the existing screensavers. Send it in as a feature request!

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I don't know whether it would require an app store but there are a couple of wants that could be met with independent apps.

1. I would like to be be able to play videos directly from my NAS.  Even my Samsung TV can do that. 

2.  Access other on line video content.  Many TV stations already will stream content to computers

 

Airplay doesn't work well for either of those.

Go spend 29 bucks and buy ATV Flash.  It does all of that and more on your apple tv and is very stable and fast

 

Here is a link to Fircore's website. http://firecore.com

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Many of the videos I get from TV stations are using Flash so an iOS device simply won't work.

 

The network I work for uses flash for video delivery via our web site. No amount of screaming and complaining and stomping our feet will get the corporate IT cabal to listen. They like Flash because they get built-in DRM and, as a convenient side-effect, Ad-Blocker prevents videos from playing at all so if you want to see our video you have to watch our ads too.

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[...] I don't run itunes all the time and when I do it tends to disconnect

 

Yeah, what's that about? I hit Play in iTunes, select AirPlay, and at some point (half-an-hour or so?) it just stops. Is this an AirPlay thing or an iTunes thing?

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Go spend 29 bucks and buy ATV Flash.  It does all of that and more on your apple tv and is very stable and fast

 

Here is a link to Fircore's website. http://firecore.com

 

Doesn't work with current ATVs.

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Go spend 29 bucks and buy ATV Flash.  It does all of that and more on your apple tv and is very stable and fast

Here is a link to Fircore's website. http://firecore.com

Thanks for that link. Pity the v3 is still unavailable though. But they do say that it will be a free upgrade once they've cracked it.
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FileBrowserLite app : I was able to connect to my TimeCapsuled (blank username, wifi password) and Airplay .mp4 or .m4v video files from my ipad to the Apple TV without requiring to have any computer on. It reads TimeCapsuled directly.

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Not true- I gave you a couple reasons in a previous thread and you agreed. I just don't remember what it was- but I'm sure it was great. Lol
 

 

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I like that.

 

OK Tallest- I found the post (Finally had a break today to be able to search it) 

 


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Apple can make whatever criteria they want for the Apple TV App store.  If someone wants to develop a notes app on it, and Apple approves, and someone downloads it- fine by me.  I, like you, would think that is completely idiotic, but it would give options.  Maybe someone develops an app that does your photo stream as a screensaver while also displaying your twitter feed, current sports scores, and/or current weather conditions.  Again- I might not want that, but the option would be great- good for both the consumer and developers.

 

Personally, I only want video and audio options (Pandora, Spotify, Amazon Instant, ESPN, HBO Go, Showtime, Netflix).  But I also know the only way to get a unified search is to have those apps natively on Apple TV.  There are so many other audio and video apps that arent mentioned- and if Apple opened up the doors- it would allow for all users to download whatever A/V apps they want- and if those apps develop for it (and apple allows it to be done)- be able to use a unified search function.  Even though that sounds small- that would be huge.  Imagine looking for "Sons of Anarchy season 5" and no streaming programs have it, but you could purchase from itunes for $X.  Good all the way around.

 

All of this is only possible with an App Store.  Up for debate on how regulated or the type of apps Apple would allow.

 

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