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post #41 of 273
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Originally Posted by JBlongz View Post

They should be compensated for any extra time on work premises while under the authority of the employer.  Doing a search is work...work = compensation.  This is a shame for a company who's products I enjoy.

 

Again, this is why the American work force is junk! You don't mind taking 15 minute breaks every three hours of doing nothing, but NO WAY should I give back 5 minutes for a bad check! 

 

Stupid Americans! And we have a government we deserve and an economy we deserve! 

post #42 of 273
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That goes both ways, of course, but the opposite isn't relevant here.

 

100% correct, and I bet most of these employees are not productive 100% of the time while at work. 

post #43 of 273
This really makes me wonder about the validity of a costco or or other such search where somebody wants to go through my goods after i pay for them. Do they have that right?

Or is costco obligated to provide a follower at every register? Am i breaking some law by thumbing my nose and walking past them?

And has anyone calculated the nunber of apple employees there are in retail in the US?

That number, multiplied by $1500.00 and then multiplied again by 40 percent, is what the law firm enacting this suit will be compensated if they win. Ponder that.

I think there will be no settlement. I think apple takes it all the way.
post #44 of 273
nah i agree with the person who said you dont HAVE to bring bags to work...
post #45 of 273
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Are you kidding .... what are we talking about maybe 1 minute or less. Every time I leave Costco they do the same thing. This is a stupid lawsuit. I hope it gets tossed. 

 

No, "they" are talking about up to 1.5 hours a week in uncompensated time.  What you do at Costco is irrelevant.  The suit is in regards to allegations that certain Apple Stores  are requiring employees to be searched for unreasonable amounts of time.  If the allegations are accurate, it does seem like a valid complaint.  These aren't salary positions, these are low-wage hourly positions and that time is fairly substantial.  It seems, again if true, that the stores have an unreasonable procedure that they need to either fix, or live with, but then compensate the employees for their time.

 

And to others that suggest "the whiners just leave and work somewhere else", that's great, except there aren't always other jobs available, and worse, if this is considered acceptable behavior, where do you draw the line?  Is it acceptable for a full hour a day for someone to have to do something at the workplace before they can start getting paid?  2 hours?  More?  Or does it make sense that when someone shows up at their workplace ready to work at the scheduled time that they start getting paid?

 

All this being said, again, these are allegations which may not be true or there may be more to the store that isn't present in the article.  Since it is isolated to select stores, Apple Corp, may not have even been aware of the situation until now, and may not even hold the position that these uncompensated search times are reasonable.

post #46 of 273
Then maybe you shouldn't be commenting on things you know nothing about.

 

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I just don't understand the pettiness.
post #47 of 273
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Originally Posted by Richard Getz View Post

 

100% correct, and I bet most of these employees are not productive 100% of the time while at work. 

If they're compensated/promoted on the basis of your productivity, then your point is not terribly relevant.

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You lose all credibility when you post tripe like this.

That's humorous. The world doesn't revolve around the individual. I'm right.

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post #49 of 273
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Jesus, will wonders never cease?

 

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post #50 of 273
Apple Employees should NEVER be allowed to bring in bags to work. Period.
post #51 of 273
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Originally Posted by mactoid View Post

This seems like a pretty basic issue for Apple to get hung up on.

 

How is Apple "hung up on" the issue?

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post #52 of 273
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No, "they" are talking about up to 1.5 hours a week in uncompensated time.  What you do at Costco is irrelevant.  The suit is in regards to allegations that certain Apple Stores  are requiring employees to be searched for unreasonable amounts of time.  If the allegations are accurate, it does seem like a valid complaint.  These aren't salary positions, these are low-wage hourly positions and that time is fairly substantial.  It seems, again if true, that the stores have an unreasonable procedure that they need to either fix, or live with, but then compensate the employees for their time.

 

And to others that suggest "the whiners just leave and work somewhere else", that's great, except there aren't always other jobs available, and worse, if this is considered acceptable behavior, where do you draw the line?  Is it acceptable for a full hour a day for someone to have to do something at the workplace before they can start getting paid?  2 hours?  More?  Or does it make sense that when someone shows up at their workplace ready to work at the scheduled time that they start getting paid?

 

All this being said, again, these are allegations which may not be true or there may be more to the store that isn't present in the article.  Since it is isolated to select stores, Apple Corp, may not have even been aware of the situation until now, and may not even hold the position that these uncompensated search times are reasonable.

 

After spending a good part of my youth in retail, starting in the stockroom and working my way into management, I will assure you, NO ONE takes more thank 3 minutes to check bags. Unless the managers made themselves unavailable, which I doubt. Everyone checked backs after closing, and employees were clocked out while I locked the store. No one at all complained. 

 

Furthermore, I would bet these employees are the same ones stealing time from the company by not being productive 100% of the time they are there, spending a 3rd of their time doing nothing. 

 

Companies are forced to give 15 minute breaks to people not doing much work. 

 

This is no more than America turning into the French, and we see what that gets you. 

post #53 of 273
Apple employees should never be allowed to bring in bags to work.

Prisons, the CIA, and other secure government facilities would never allow this since this allows drugs and other things to be smuggled into the prison or out of the prison.

If you want to bring your own lunch, store it in the car. If you have a bag, keep it in your car.
post #54 of 273
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If they're compensated/promoted on the basis of your productivity, then your point is not terribly relevant.

 

On the basis of my productivity? I'm not following your statement, sorry. :( 

post #55 of 273
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Just a pet peeve...Why is Apple always referred to as "the iPhone maker". Well never mind they make all kinds of other successful products too. Can you editors come up with something else to describe Apple other than the maker of the iPhone?

 

They could, but those alternate descriptors result in fewer clicks. Web sites are engaged in a game of eyeballs.

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post #56 of 273
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Are you kidding .... what are we talking about maybe 1 minute or less. Every time I leave Costco they do the same thing. This is a stupid lawsuit. I hope it gets tossed. 

 

Class-action lawsuits have one beneficiary, the law firm representing. They make millions if they win big and the 'group' gains little.

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post #57 of 273
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Are you kidding .... what are we talking about maybe 1 minute or less. Every time I leave Costco they do the same thing. This is a stupid lawsuit. I hope it gets tossed. 
How would you feel about waiting 5-15 minutes to get out of Costco?
post #58 of 273
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Jesus, will wonders never cease?
Pretty sure His answer would be, "No".
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post #59 of 273
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Yes, because corporations are sainted objects of worship and whatever they say goes.

Nothing like self-loathing humans.

 

Where the **** did I imply that? Oh yeah, I didn't, yet you decided to slather on religious language and assumptions of self-hatred to my post, just because. 

 

My point is that does anyone REALLY believe Apple does this in order to nickel and dime their employees in order to steal a few bucks off them from this policy? I mean, really? It's obviously a logistics issue, where the security check is much more easily done after the process of checking out, and not before. Pragmatically aknowleging that probable reality does not make true anything you just said. Also, in my view anyone who makes this much of a fuss over a couple minutes per shift should not even be doing that job, as clearly they have absolutely no passion or interest in it. 

post #60 of 273
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Originally Posted by Retrogusto View Post

This whole thing is pretty silly, but somehow I feel compelled to comment. I am on salary, but I have a contract that states our official company hours. Almost nobody in the company (500+ employees in New York) works the actual hours, and most people work a lot more, certainly no "overtime" compensation. That's pretty normal in New York, and probably a lot of other places.

If the employees are locked into a long-term contract with penalties if they breach that contract, it would be unfair if they didn't know the terms of their employment, but I don't think that's the case here. If they weren't told ahead of time, they probably figured out after about one day that bringing a bag means that they will have to wait to be searched, on their own time. So they have choices: bring the bag, be searched and deal with it, or don't bring the bag. If we're going to be super petty, should the people who choose to bring bags get to work less productive time for the same pay, so they won't have to be searched on their own time? Presumably they can do something fun with their iPhone while they wait in line. Maybe they even got a discount on that phone.

The bags are a security risk, and Apple lets the employees bring them anyway, even though it is costing to search them.

My manager wants us at our seats at 9:30, but sometimes the elevator takes FOREVER to come (and it's 42 floors, so it's still faster to wait). Once I'm in the office building, should I have to wait for the elevator on my own time? (Unfortunately, I think the answer is yes.) On the other hand, there are times I'm here and post on AI instead of doing "work."

Your experience is irrelevant.

You are on salary, they are hourly employees. It's illegal to require an hourly employee to work off the clock, and these bag checks are uncompensated work time.

No contract can legally modify this, it's completely irrelevant if they signed something.
post #61 of 273
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Originally Posted by jameskatt2 View Post

Apple employees should never be allowed to bring in bags to work.

Prisons, the CIA, and other secure government facilities would never allow this since this allows drugs and other things to be smuggled into the prison or out of the prison.

If you want to bring your own lunch, store it in the car. If you have a bag, keep it in your car.
If they can't bring bags to work, how are they going to smuggle out iPhones? If things continue to escalate, Apple store managers are going to have to start wearing gloves to do their searches.
post #62 of 273

Let sue the government do you know how many time I had to wait in air port line for more than an hour so they can check every person and I can tell you my hourly wage is far more than the folks working at Apple. Maybe Apple would not need to do this if the employee were honest and maybe told on the one's who were ripping the place off.

 

As someone pointed out, if you do not want to be delayed how about not bring stuff to work, I swear people carry all their junk with them all the time.

 

I had a buddy who owned gas stations with convenience stores and he never told anyone he was the owner and use to show up and told all the hourly workers he was the manager. He would talk trash about the owner, (himself) and then hourly worker would then tell him all the crap they would do like stealing food and such. He said the workers cost him more than thieves coming in off the street.

post #63 of 273
Corporations are people too!
post #64 of 273

Well you're not allowed to have a bag with you when you go to see Comrade Lenin's embalmed corpse so the same should apply when going to work in a shop.
 


Edited by rosstheboss - 7/29/13 at 3:40pm
post #65 of 273
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Originally Posted by Richard Getz View Post

 

100% correct, and I bet most of these employees are not productive 100% of the time while at work. 


Projecting much?

post #66 of 273
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Originally Posted by DarkVader View Post


Your experience is irrelevant.

You are on salary, they are hourly employees. It's illegal to require an hourly employee to work off the clock, and these bag checks are uncompensated work time.

No contract can legally modify this, it's completely irrelevant if they signed something.

 

Work? They aren't working, they are standing there getting their bags checked. Furthermore, how ridiculous would Apple look if they went after employees that were not productive 100% of the time to dock their pay. Oh boy, I'm sure the world would be after them. 

post #67 of 273
Former Fruit Store worker here...

1) Yes we did have bag searches - nobody really cared if it was done before or after clocking out though. If a manager was available in the back, you could do the bag search and then clock out. If you have to find a manager on the sales floor, it was off the clock.

2) A bag, while not crucial, is a basic need in this line of work. They don't have desks or anything. When I first started we didn't even have lockers. How many people only go to work carrying what they have in their pockets? You want your wallet in your pants when the store is packed with 200 people? No change of clothes, no food, no drink, no shoes, no writing utensils, no business cards, no envelope openers? Nothing to read or entertain yourself at lunch? I like how people suddenly become anti-bag when it's put up against the almighty Apple.

3) at my store the wait was maybe 1-2 minutes - within the give-and-take of a professional. My store was serious about paying you for every minute - driving to off-site meetings, attending quarterly pow-wows, etc. I never felt cheated for hourly pay but not all 400 stores may be like mine.

4) One issue is how busy the stores get. It can take quite a few minutes just to get in and out of a store, much less track down an unoccupied manager. But if everyone in the store understands that employees need to get out on time, it shouldn't be a big deal for a manager to excuse themselves for 10 seconds to check a bag. Waiting for 15 minutes seems ridiculous. That's a week and a half every year.
Edited by acslater017 - 7/29/13 at 3:42pm
post #68 of 273
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post


Projecting much?

 

Many, many years in management has shown this to be true. NO ONE works 100% of the time. People stop to chat with friends, get up to use the rest room off their required break times, I could go on and on, but it's a known fact. 

post #69 of 273
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Originally Posted by jameskatt2 View Post

Apple employees should never be allowed to bring in bags to work.

Prisons, the CIA, and other secure government facilities would never allow this since this allows drugs and other things to be smuggled into the prison or out of the prison.

You're actually comparing Apple retail stores to prisons, the CIA and government buildings?

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Seriously, did you did actually type that with a straight face?
post #70 of 273
Big Apple fan but if they are taking more than a minute or 2 to search hourly employees on their way out, the employees should be on the clock getting paid.
post #71 of 273

Apple salaries

2011
Tim Cook:  $387m

2012
Bob Mansfield - $85.5m
Bruce Sewell - $69m
Jeff Williams - $68.7m
Peter Oppenheimer - $68.6m
 

And people think those Apple employees who work for an hourly rate should be happy for the privilege of donating their own time so the company can afford to pay their executives that little bit extra?

 

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post #72 of 273

Hold it!  What's in the bag, Genius?

 

 

 

Apple sounds like they take terrific care of their executive staff....    everyone else, not so much.

post #73 of 273
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Originally Posted by Richard Getz View Post

Many, many years in management has shown this to be true. NO ONE works 100% of the time. People stop to chat with friends, get up to use the rest room off their required break times, I could go on and on, but it's a known fact. 

You are posting in the working day I see ?
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post #74 of 273
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Originally Posted by Richard Getz View Post

 

Many, many years in management has shown this to be true. NO ONE works 100% of the time. People stop to chat with friends, get up to use the rest room off their required break times, I could go on and on, but it's a known fact. 


Really? No!

 

Jesus!

post #75 of 273
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

Apple salaries
2011

Tim Cook:  $387m


2012

Bob Mansfield - $85.5m

Bruce Sewell - $69m

Jeff Williams - $68.7m

Peter Oppenheimer - $68.6m

 
And people think those Apple employees who work for an hourly rate should be happy for the privilege of donating their own time so the company can afford to pay their executives that little bit extra?

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For my part I doubt the fifteen minutes per employee per day. Thats the average per employee indicating searches are on average half an hour per day. Sounds like a bogus suit.
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post #76 of 273

I missed it in the Bill of Rights where employees have a civil right to bring a bag to work.  If there is no such right, then what's the problem.  If you don't want your employer to waste your time, then don't bring a bag to work.  It's that simple.  Sure it's more convenient for you to bring a bag, but it's not your employer's responsibility to make work convenient for you.  Sure it's nice, but they shouldn't be required to do so. 

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post #77 of 273
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


That's humorous. The world doesn't revolve around the individual. I'm right.

....says the individual.

Humorous, indeed.
post #78 of 273
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If they're compensated/promoted on the basis of your productivity, then your point is not terribly relevant.

On the basis of my productivity? I'm not following your statement, sorry. 1frown.gif 

Poor wording on my part.

I meant "their" productivity.
post #79 of 273
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For my part I doubt the fifteen minutes per employee per day. Thats the average per employee indicating searches are on average half an hour per day. Sounds like a bogus suit.


I have my doubts too, in which case Apple should have no problem doing the search on company time, hmmmmm?

post #80 of 273
Maybe Apple should hold back pay for when they are gossiping with each other when on the clock.

What security check takes 10 minutes? Unless your bag is the size of a car, it should not take that long.
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