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I agree and was thinking the same thing.

 

It seems to me that "Reply with message" and "Remind me later" should be sub-menu options under Decline. Surely Jony Ive's team could find a way to design that in an intuitive way.

 

Yeah, I might have overstated it a bit, but it's just not clear what pushing a button marked "message" will do when my phone is ringing.  The same with "Remind me" actually.  

 

Is the message button going to take me to the messages app?  Is it going to take me to the voicemail part of the phone app?  Will "remind me" take me to a calendar and make a reminder for ...?  

 

I like the idea someone else had on this thread where it's just Accept or Decline, and then Decline takes you to some other options.  

 

Maybe this is one of those things we will just learn, it will become the new standard, and we will wonder how it was ever confusing previously, but for right now I think folks will be confused.

 

I do like the new Phone app overall though.  The current one has even more egregiously bad UI problems.  After five years of using iPhones I still have problems using the voicemail, and trying to look at calls and contacts without inadvertently calling someone.  It's really poorly designed at the moment so anything new is probably a good thing. 

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Whilst it doesn't get rid off some of the ugliness of iOS 7 it certainly will make it nicer on the eyes to use.

Ugliness is subjective. Personally I found iOS 6 to be far uglier

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post #43 of 83
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Come off it.

 

When I show people iOS 7 their reaction is "I'm not having that shit on my phone"! It's all cosmetics, and this update shows they are addressing some of the flaws, but there's plenty more to iron out IMO.

 

Scrapping primary blue text buttons would be a good start.

 

Scrap everything in that grotesque blue.

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I would argue that the one word "Message" button with the word balloon in the bottom right image is really not clear at all.

The word Message is likely because you aren't always texting, sometimes it's iMessage. My only thought is that the clock and bubble are pointless and just require a reduced in text size. Kill them and make the words bigger like the other buttons

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post #45 of 83
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Me too! 1smile.gif

I personally liked the thin type face and border to border buttons. But the new rounded buttons with thicker type face are good, too!

Can't wait! 1smile.gif

The thin gets lost at times. Thicker stands out more.

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post #46 of 83
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I prefer the previous layout. It just looks better to me than the rounded rectangle.

I agree- I liked the square design vs the rounded.  I also liked the slightly opaque instead of a full opaque also.

 

But, such is design- what one person likes, another likes something different.


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post #48 of 83
True, not as elegant or 'modern' looking as beta 3 iOS 7 buttons, but indeed clearer, as for the rounded corner rectangle - it is a bit of an Apple trademark already, so helps to differentiate iOS further from the look of Windows phone and Android. It also goes better with the curved edge square app icons and the curved edge rectangle shape of most iOS devices...the family look so to speak, and still much better than iOS 6 very dated looking buttons.
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I guess you missed the new phone app buttons which are not flat square corners? 1hmm.gif

 

No, I did see them. I should have been more specific. I was thinking of the softness provided by the rounded and beveled corners. The image of Tim Cook on the FaceTime chat with Jonathan Ive is a good example. I understand that new flat look is what he is going for. Just not sure I like it. I find the goal of simplifying sometimes scares me that they are removing all personality. No more color in finder sidebar icons, etc... Even the background of the image of Jony is gray.

 

Anyway, I am sure as a good fan boy, I will come around.

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post #50 of 83
I do like the sophistication of the original iOS7 layouts depicted above. However, I think that the changes made are needed for most users to clearly understand the functionality. Could be the end goal is what was depicted originally but needs this version of i0S7 as a bridge to get everyone accustomed to the overall feel with clear UI functionality/Descriptions 1st.
post #51 of 83
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When I show people iOS 7 their reaction is "I'm not having that shit on my phone"! It's all cosmetics

When a friend showed me iOS 7 I said I liked it much better in person and was impressed.  So did the other 2 people around me.

 

So your anecdote it negated by mine.

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post #52 of 83
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... helps to differentiate iOS further from the look of Windows phone and Android. It also goes better with the curved edge square app icons and the curved edge rectangle shape of most iOS devices...the family look so to speak, and still much better than iOS 6 very dated looking buttons.

Yup that's how I feel. It's a good update so far.

As far as other concerns people had over the icons I think we may see changes in the GM version of the OS.

A lot of the most controversial bits including the icons are getting polished and toned down with every beta release.
post #53 of 83
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Apple's new design is clearer, simpler and less controversial but also appears less elegant, distinctive and sophisticated.

 

Since when is more clear and more simple less sophisticated? The essence of Apple's genius is making complicated hardware (and software concepts) clear and simple to users. That is an incredibly elegant and sophisticated accomplishment.

post #54 of 83
I am pleased that Apple has finally realized that, in addition to looking good, people will actually need to be able to discern what they're looking at.
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When a friend showed me iOS 7 I said I liked it much better in person and was impressed.  So did the other 2 people around me.

 

So your anecdote it negated by mine.

 

The only people I have found that like iOS7 are Fandroids, and I don't care what they think, they have no taste by default.

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When I show people iOS 7 their reaction is "I'm not having that shit on my phone"! It's all cosmetics

When a friend showed me iOS 7 I said I liked it much better in person and was impressed.  So did the other 2 people around me.

So your anecdote it negated by mine.

False consensus: assuming that global opinions exactly match what your social circle thinks. It also betrays a lack of confidence in one's individual opinion. Doesn't anyone think for themselves? Either you like it or you don't, and majority opinions do not make winning sides.

 

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A lot of the most controversial bits including the icons are getting polished and toned down with every beta release.

Jenny McCarthy endangering kids with misinformation is controversial. iOS icons have divided opinions among mobile developers and armchair graphic designers.

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post #57 of 83
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The rounded corners, bordered, heavier type icons have a clunky ad hoc dated ugly look, that is neither fish nor fowl. The borderless, to the edge buttons look better. If they carry on with this 'design by committee' approach, no good can come of it. Apple needs to remember Jobs' dictum whereby Apple knows what people want better than they know themselves.

 

The difference between Cook and Jobs is when Jobs said "we" he meant 'me'.

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post #58 of 83
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It's a start. Now sort out the rest of the UI you ruined.

 

I feel your pain. It's getting better with each beta, but those home screen icons simply need to go.

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post #59 of 83
I'm a little sad that there doesn't seem to be any strong, consistent, confident design direction for iOS7. This is a pretty major change as far as UI goes, and it just seems random. Are they going for straight edges or rounded corners? Edge to edge buttons or padding? I hate to say this, but it just seems confused about what it wants to be. Why round the corners at this point, and why use such a small radius. Either confidently round them or don't. This just looks weak.
post #60 of 83

"No sir I don't like it"

 

That new screenshot looks like 10 angry execs arguing and not sure what direction to go.  Helvetica and ultra thin font on the same screen?  Pick one not both!

 

I'm also not a fan of the rounded rectangles.  I think cornered rectangles would work better.  I do agree the previous borderless buttons needed to go as they did not look pressable.  They looked like something you'd slide than press. 

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Looks like the Metro UI

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I'm also not a fan of the rounded rectangles.

So you've hated computers since 1984?

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False consensus: assuming that global opinions exactly match what your social circle thinks. It also betrays a lack of confidence in one's individual opinion. Doesn't anyone think for themselves? Either you like it or you don't, and majority opinions do not make winning sides.

Hello? I was proving that point with my analogy.  Just because he has a group that hates it doesn't mean that's how the world feels- hence my mention of another group of people believing differently.

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post #64 of 83
I like the skinny font and transparent borderless buttons. It looks much more elegant and refined. What is up with this thick ugly font? These rounded buttons are dated and old school.
post #65 of 83
Translucent buttons and thin font please! Dump the thick font and rounded corners!
post #66 of 83
Looks like the glass keyboard is starting to return to looking more like a keyboard, as it should.
post #67 of 83
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The rounded corners, bordered, heavier type icons have a clunky ad hoc dated ugly look, that is neither fish nor fowl. The borderless, to the edge buttons look better. If they carry on with this 'design by committee' approach, no good can come of it. Apple needs to remember Jobs' dictum whereby Apple knows what people want better than they know themselves.

 

Enjoy that opinion as the ultra-thin rectangle edge-to-edge asinine design any 5 year old could have dreamt up is hated by tens of millions more.

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So you've hated computers since 1984?

No.  I meant in for iOS7.  Rounded solid rectangles and thick Helvetica font are inconsistent with the theme.  Rounded rectangles are fine for iOS6 for example.

post #69 of 83
I like all theses changes.

Apple was going too far and it was not helpful for a clear and easy to read interface.
post #70 of 83
Is it just me, or does Jony look like a serial killer in those screenshots? Creepy at the very least...

To the point of the article, I feel like this is a bit of a step back. I do agree that there is a place for traditional buttons. They should not be banished, but I really did like the clean font and border-less button "zones" in certain parts of the UI. The new rounded corners and font look like a compromise between the new and old look. IMHO Beta 3 was cleaner.
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False consensus: assuming that global opinions exactly match what your social circle thinks. It also betrays a lack of confidence in one's individual opinion. Doesn't anyone think for themselves? Either you like it or you don't, and majority opinions do not make winning sides.

 

I never assume that, quite the contrary. Global/common opinions are worthless anyway. That's why Steve hated focus groups. 

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"No sir I don't like it"

That new screenshot looks like 10 angry execs arguing and not sure what direction to go.  Helvetica and ultra thin font on the same screen?  Pick one not both!

I'm also not a fan of the rounded rectangles.  I think cornered rectangles would work better.  I do agree the previous borderless buttons needed to go as they did not look pressable.  They looked like something you'd slide than press. 
I wish they had got angry earlier. This new ui should never have existed. I do not hate it, I loath it. With each iteration it gets more ios 6 look, so it is less stupid than before, but still stupid. In many screens i still need to squint to find things. While on ios 6 i only need to glance. And it is stll ugly like hell. Btw i love that skeu something. IPhone 5 perhaps will be my last iDevice.
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False consensus: assuming that global opinions exactly match what your social circle thinks. It also betrays a lack of confidence in one's individual opinion. Doesn't anyone think for themselves? Either you like it or you don't, and majority opinions do not make winning sides.

Hes was refuting another anecdote. I would say most people are happy from what I see on fora.
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post #74 of 83
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That's a big improvement. It may be less "elegant, distinctive and sophisticated" but it looks more usable to me. In particular, Slide to Answer (that you slide) was looking a little too much like the buttons (that you tap). That can cause user confusion.

As a personal preference (it is, after all, a UI) I still prefer buttons that look like buttons rather than just another piece of screen furniture.

Seconded. However, I greatly prefer the Ultra-Light Helvetica font with the rounded corner buttons. Retain some class with the intuitiveness.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I have always scoffed at those who jumped onto the "I can't stand the new look" bandwagon. However, I find myself on it desperately trying to find a way off. I hope I do. I hope I wake up one day and say, "wow I guess I was wrong." I just can't get over the flat square corners on everything. It just seems like they took away all of the nice subtle design features that have alway made Apple distinct from a bland PC dialog box.

Sometimes Apple gets it really, really right with a new look.

The last few years, they have been failing miserably with it.

Mac OS X 10.7 was abysmally bad compared to 10.6, they're cleaning up some of the mess with 10.9, but it's still not right. And what they've done to our scroll bars is an abomination.

And now, they've decided to go with the worst possible design on iOS. I'm sorry, 7 looks horrible. Up until now, they've been making improvements, but this thing is horrific. Buttons should look like they can be pressed. Icons should look nice, not flat.
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They still haven't fixed the missing 'to'. That's really embarrassing.
 

 

I don't think there is a missing 'to'. It seems to me that "FaceTime" is being used as an abstract noun rather than a verb.

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I thought iOS 6 was beautiful but this is stunning. I don't mind faux textures, particularly when they are rendered nicely. But the decision to remove the (non-functional) faux shine really cleans up the interface. A tasteful colour palette with enough fun touches to distance it from pretentious minimalism.

 

It's a nice touch giving the alarm clock and message bubble the same visual weight as the text that accompanies them. This is thoughtful design.

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Buttons should look like they can be pressed. Icons should look nice, not flat.

 

If you think about it, it is counter intuitive to make a software button appear three dimensional when it doesn't respond to pressure. Overly prominent buttons constantly draw the eye and ache to be pressed. It can be very distracting.
 
I admit, at first, I found the icons a bit different, but upon reflection I think they look nice. There is plenty to say that icons shouldn't be partially obscured by virtual gloss either.
 
Apple are taking steps to reduce imposed visual clutter and let the user's content take centre stage.
 
Previously things like shine and these things were needed to cue users and developers into this being a new kind of computer experience, different from everything that had occurred before. iOS and the App Store have enough traction now that we no longer need these cues.
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Apple needs to remember Jobs' dictum whereby Apple knows what people want better than they know themselves.

 

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Anytime you change something, people will complain, regardless of how improved things are. I think Apple should have stuck to their vision regarding elegance; all this backpedaling feels like giving us what we deserve, instead of what we need.

 

I agree with both of these sentiments.  However, it's hard to tell whether Jony is making changes because he's continuing to tweak his own design, or in response to developers' feedback.  Also, given that the iOS experience is in large part about 3rd party apps, iOS is kinda like an eternal work-in-progress where developers continually play with, evolve and improve the UI.  So I'm not too concerned about having to love the new UI changes because they will not be set in stone.

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False consensus: assuming that global opinions exactly match what your social circle thinks. It also betrays a lack of confidence in one's individual opinion. Doesn't anyone think for themselves? Either you like it or you don't, and majority opinions do not make winning sides.

 

Indeed. As Henry Ford is reputed to have said "If I had asked them what they wanted, they would have said faster horses".

 

It seems as if everyone - focus groups, staff and salespeople told James Dyson not to put transparent dust holders on his new cleaners as they didn't want to see all that dirt. James Dyson disagreed and did it his way. Now they all have transparent dust holders as everyone realises that a) They can see how well they're doing b) When to empty. Sorted.

 

If they are just other people's opinions today, then you have to go with your own belief and vision otherwise it simply turns into fashion with no coherence.

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