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WSJ: iPad mini with Samsung-sourced Retina display likely coming in Q4

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Citing unnamed sources, The Wall Street Journal reported early Thursday that Apple is getting ready for mass production of a next-generation Retina display-toting iPad mini set to launch in the fourth quarter.

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According to the WSJ sources, Apple is working with Asian suppliers on an iPad mini with "high-resolution 'retina' display" sourced from rival manufacturer Samsung, as well as other screen makers.

The publication said component makers were told Apple had originally planned to use displays from Sharp and LG Display, but added Samsung to the supplier list to ensure adequate supply of the the alleged next-gen tablet. For reference, LG and AU Optronics supply the non-Retina panels used in the current iPad mini.

While details on the supposed device are slim, the second-generation mini is thought to carry over the form factor from the current model. Apple is, however, "contemplating" a variety of color offerings for the back covers, which as of now are only available in black and silver. Sources said to expect the new 7.9-inch device some time in the fourth quarter of 2013.

Rumors regarding a possible 'iPad mini 2' launch have been all over the map, with some agreeing with the Journal's fourth quarter debut, while others don't see a release happening until 2014. Most recently, KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said Apple is likely to introduce two new versions of the tablet, a low-cost non-Retina model and a premium Retina iteration, in March or April of next year.
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I wonder if the price will vary with the new screen
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So, the WSJ says this will happen in the 4Q so they can write in the 4Q that Apple failed to ship it on time. I'll bet they have the second story already set in print.

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This is not happening, unless they get the IGZO yield they want.

Apple has A6-based iPad mini without Retina display in the works

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Where is Solipsism when you need him? Geez, I miss the guy!

AFAIK, that display needs a CPU/GPU that can power this, and that model is still on the drawing board, expected to be available in 2014.
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Could this be a controlled leak by Apple to knock down the non-retina rumors? Oh how I'd love it if 9to5Mac was wrong. 1biggrin.gif
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Where is Solipsism when you need him? Geez, I miss the guy!

AFAIK, that display needs a CPU/GPU that can power this, and that model is still on the drawing board, expected to be available in 2014.

 

CPU/GPU that can power this out there for almost a year, in iPad 4.

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This is not happening, unless they get the IGZO yield they want.

Apple has A6-based iPad mini without Retina display in the works

 

Nope. another iPad mini with non-retina display is more stupid idea than heavier and thicker model with IPS 326dpi display. Thanks god, Apple knows that.


Edited by poksi - 7/31/13 at 11:18pm
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So, the WSJ says this will happen in the 4Q so they can write in the 4Q that Apple failed to ship it on time. I'll bet they have the second story already set in print.
Hmm...because its the WSJ it seems more like a controlled leak by Apple. When WSJ says "people familiar with the matter", isn't that basically Apple? Plus the fact this story came out after 9to5Mac's story leads me to believe Apple wants to squash these rumors.

Honestly anyone who thinks Apple's just fine this holiday quarter without a retina mini is living in lala land. The new Nexus 7 is getting great reviews. Rumors are the new Kindles will have better displays and some rumors claim they will be faster than the Nexus 7. A retina mini, especially one that comes in colors, would blow them all away IMO.
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Nope. another iPad mini with non-retina display is more stupid idea than heavier and thicker model with IPS 326dpi display. Thanks god, Apple knows that.

If the battery life won't suffer, sure. But if it will, then Apple knows what's more practical for users. 

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The new Nexus 7 is getting great reviews. 

Except for the battery life.

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CPU/GPU that can power this out there for almost a year, in iPad 4.

I think CPU/GPU could also come from iPad3.  A5X

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The new Nexus 7 is getting great reviews. Rumors are the new Kindles will have better displays and some rumors claim they will be faster than the Nexus 7. A retina mini, especially one that comes in colors, would blow them all away IMO.

  Last year we had similar excitement when the Nexus 7 and and Kindle Fire came out.  Its like Deja Vu.. all over again.

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  Last year we had similar excitement when the Nexus 7 and and Kindle Fire came out.  Its like Deja Vu.. all over again.

Exactly. People should be smarter by now.

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Except for the battery life.
But battery life not stopping it from getting good reviews. Honesty I haven't come across a bad review yet. I think people would be OK with slightly less battery life in exchange for retina display. For sure if Apple continues to sell the non-retina version.
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Except for the battery life.

The new Nexus 7 advertises 9 Hr of battery life, in reality its more like 6. If Apple did this you know we would have a "battery-gate" and the media would go nuts.  But if Google does this, nothing....  instead we get "great price!"

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Exactly. People should be smarter by now.
""people familiar with the matter" sure sounds like a controlled leak to me. Basically sounds like Apple saying "you can report this but can't say it came from us". I don't think it's a coincidence this story came out the same day 9to5Mac ran their story (which plenty of other sites picked up).
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But battery life not stopping it from getting good reviews. Honesty I haven't come across a bad review yet. I think people would be OK with slightly less battery life in exchange for retina display. For sure if Apple continues to sell the non-retina version.

If you consider "only 6 hours" is 'slightly less' then sure. I don't know where you read this "great review" (maybe from The Verge ha ha ha) but the first one I read is from Walt Mossberg and it's like this: "great screen, lousy battery life". Can you call that "great review"?

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But battery life not stopping it from getting good reviews. Honesty I haven't come across a bad review yet. I think people would be OK with slightly less battery life in exchange for retina display. For sure if Apple continues to sell the non-retina version.

to be honest with you, I think many people would be OK with ANYTHING in exchange for a lower price.  Just wait till the new Kindle Fire pricing is announced undercutting the Nexus 7 in price, just like they did last year.   Deja Vu. 

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""people familiar with the matter" sure sounds like a controlled leak to me. Basically sounds like Apple saying "you can report this but can't say it came from us". I don't think it's a coincidence this story came out the same day 9to5Mac ran their story (which plenty of other sites picked up).

I'd love a retina mimi too. I'm just being cautious at this point. If Google can't have a good battery life, how can Apple? Unless we get IGZO.


Edited by matrix07 - 7/31/13 at 11:46pm
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I'd love a retina mimi too. I'm just be cautious at this point. If Google can't have a good battery life, how can Apple? Unless we get IGZO.
Well if we don't get retina then I hope Cook gets grilled on it so he can tell us why. Because the media meme will be how can Google and Amazon release tablets with retina like displays but Apple can't.
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Well if we don't get retina then I hope Cook gets grilled on it so he can tell us why. Because the media meme will be how can Google and Amazon release tablets with retina like displays but Apple can't.

Well, he can just tell that 6 hrs. battery life is not Apple standard. Google can do whatever they please and they can always get away with it. Not Apple. Different company. Different philosophy.

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Well, he can just tell that 6 hrs. battery life is not Apple standard. Google can do whatever they please and they can always get away with it. Not Apple. Different company. Different philosophy.
Who says a retina mini would only get 6 hours battery life?
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Well if we don't get retina then I hope Cook gets grilled on it so he can tell us why. Because the media meme will be how can Google and Amazon release tablets with retina like displays but Apple can't.

this kind of reminds me of getting one's head wrapped around the axle with lack of LTE on the iPhone vs the competition.  Remember when, iPhone 4S did not come with LTE and it was not called iPhone 5?  Oh the horror.  LOL.  Nevermind that the battery life of LTE model sucked on these competitors at the time.

 

I think a mini Retina will be available when Apple says its ready.  I think going from 8-10 hr ---> 6 hr of battery life would not go over well and  I'd prefer to avoid a battery-gate incident. It would do more harm to the brand than good.

 

with iPhone 4S, they had an ace up their sleeve with Siri; and consumers went nuts.   With Mini it could be fingerprint sensor, or something else we dont expect, instead of Retina.  It could have the same effect as Siri on sales. Who knows. 

 

That's the thing about Apple, when competitors are predicting them to do one thing, they do something else and catch everyone by surprise. Retina is not the only innovation they have left.


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Who says a retina mini would only get 6 hours battery life?

Well, from N7 performance it seems to be the limit of today technology. Of course if Apple can top that then we all can be delighted. (But not with sacrifice on weight please)
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 What I love about Google's N7 (2nd gen) advertised 9 hr battery life estimate, is that this estimate is with the WiFi turned off.   Therefore, one can conclude that according to Google,  the typical use case of their tablets is no access to their services or the rest of the internet. Let that sink in for a moment.  

 

Maybe this explains why Tim Cook is not seeing much evidence of Android tablet use on the internet.  

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'Nope. another iPad mini with non-retina display is more stupid idea than heavier and thicker model with IPS 326dpi display. Thanks god, Apple knows that.'

 

I agree. If the richest company on the planet run by Tim 'Mr. Logistics' Cook can't rustle up a few high resolution displays between now and Christmas to compete in one of the hottest market segments in the world they might as well sell up and give all the money back to shareholders with a note saying, 'We had a good run under Steve, enjoy the rest of your life.'

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If the battery life won't suffer, sure. But if it will, then Apple knows what's more practical for users. 

 

As I said: it will just have to be a bit thicker and heavier to accommodate larger batteries. No retina - no sales. 

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So, the WSJ says this will happen in the 4Q so they can write in the 4Q that Apple failed to ship it on time. I'll bet they have the second story already set in print.

Not likely.  The WSJ is hands down the highest quality journalism of any newspaper in the world. They have plenty of quality stories to publish and wouldn't waste their time concocting a story.

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Except for the battery life.

Sorry, the screen's too small and it's running an OS that doesn't have a lot of great apps.  I'll stick with my iPad 4 and upgrade when it ceases to serve my purpose.  

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I think a mini Retina will be available when Apple says its ready.

I agree with most of what you said, but you have to admit that Apple failing to meet expectations on display quality is a let down.  Apple pioneered the retina-type display. Display quality is an important aspect of the quality of their devices. It would surprise me if the lagged their competitors in this regard.  The LTE issue was different because the majority of users wouldn't have had access to LTE coverage in the very early stages of deployment and the data plans were costly.  Why put something in a device that most people wouldn't be using.  In contrast, everyone could benefit from a retina display.

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The WSJ does write a lot of BS as far as analytics are concerned, but they do also have a pretty darn good track record of pre confirming products....

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The WSJ does write a lot of BS as far as analytics are concerned, but they do also have a pretty darn good track record of pre confirming products....

Let's hope it's true then.

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Who says a retina mini would only get 6 hours battery life?

 

Who says it would be any better than the Nexus 7?

 

Look, the Mini currently gets 10 hours or more, weighs roughly 10 oz and it's literally pencil-thin. You'll likely sacrifice all three of those to get retina at the present time.

 

To get retina in the full size iPad, they had to increase the thickness a couple of mm, AND boost the weight to nearly 1.5 pounds, to accommodate the thicker screen and extra battery needed to keep battery at 10 hours. 

 

These go against the whole concept of the Mini… small, light, 'pocketable'… 

 

 

If and only if they can add "retina" without making it thicker and heavier AND sacrificing hours of battery life…. then yes. 

 

But so far, no-one has shown that to be possible. No-one ever said it WASN'T possible to put a retina display into that form factor, but as Tim Cook said, the tradeoffs are too great… 

 

I agree. I hope they don't blow it listening to people "demanding" retina as a higher priority than weight, thickness and battery life. It's NOT worth the tradeoff in an 8" tablet IMO!!


Edited by tribalogical - 8/1/13 at 2:18am
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The new Nexus 7 is getting rave reviews, so Apple have to include a retina display in their next iPad Mini or just look irrelevant. Doesn't matter that iPad Tablet apps are more refined than the Android ones, the Nexus 7 looks good and is priced good, so the next iPad Mini has to have some of that itself.
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 What I love about Google's N7 (2nd gen) advertised 9 hr battery life estimate, is that this estimate is with the WiFi turned off.   Therefore, one can conclude that according to Google,  the typical use case of their tablets is no access to their services or the rest of the internet. Let that sink in for a moment.  

 

Maybe this explains why Tim Cook is not seeing much evidence of Android tablet use on the internet.  

 

One of the main uses for tablet devices is as E-readers.  You don't need the WiFi turned on to read a book so it is perfectly legitimate to quote the figure with WiFi off.  I would say reading is likely to be the most likely usage scenario requiring the longest non-stop battery life.

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One of the main uses for tablet devices is as E-readers.  You don't need the WiFi turned on to read a book so it is perfectly legitimate to quote the figure with WiFi off.  I would say reading is likely to be the most likely usage scenario requiring the longest non-stop battery life.
Maybe that's typical usage for Android based devices, but its been my experience that almost no one EVER turns off their wifi on iPads except in the case where they are ordered to do so by an airline. Prove me wrong.
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The new Nexus 7 advertises 9 Hr of battery life, in reality its more like 6. If Apple did this you know we would have a "battery-gate" and the media would go nuts.  But if Google does this, nothing....  instead we get "great price!"


So true. Google's battery test with wifi off is ridiculously unrealistic, especially since so many of their services are through the cloud. 6 hours of battery life in real world usage is pretty damn weak. The new Nexus 7 is a nice little product, but that's a glaring weakness that many reviewers are glossing right over. When it comes to these small size tablets, battery life is more important than a retina screen imo.
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One of the main uses for tablet devices is as E-readers.  You don't need the WiFi turned on to read a book so it is perfectly legitimate to quote the figure with WiFi off.  I would say reading is likely to be the most likely usage scenario requiring the longest non-stop battery life.

Sure. Any which way that warm your heart at night, but should be stated clearly on the stage what's the exact method of the test, especially the one as unorthodox as this. you lose creditability when you try to defend something like this.


Edited by matrix07 - 8/1/13 at 3:36am
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Struggling to understand how Apple can position a Retina iPad Mini, in the light of the new Nexus 7.

The received wisdom on mobile devices is that smaller = more advanced requirements for manufacturing and engineering = more expensive. New iPhones get smaller and remain expensive requiring state of the art technology for screens, batteries etc. The rumoured "cheaper" iPhones will (allegedly) cut back on the shrinking form factors to make them cheaper to make, with cheaper materials etc.

Following this path, you would expect the iPad Mini with Retina to be the premium iPad, and therefore cost more then the iPad. If they retain the current price, who will buy the 10 inch iPad? If they up the price they run into (further) unfavourable comparisons with the Nexus 7 on price? What if they then have to flip the offerings, and run the 10 inch price to compete at the low end, and push the further miniaturised Mini to the higher price point, as per with phones etc? Or will they have to offer 2 versions of the Mini, one with last years internals in and no package shrinking, just a new screen?

It's a real tricky situation, and I'm not surprised they are taking their sweet time because this is possibly the hardest time to be flip flopping the product line.
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