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Could this be a controlled leak by Apple to knock down the non-retina rumors? Oh how I'd love it if 9to5Mac was wrong. 1biggrin.gif

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Hmm...because its the WSJ it seems more like a controlled leak by Apple. When WSJ says "people familiar with the matter", isn't that basically Apple? Plus the fact this story came out after 9to5Mac's story leads me to believe Apple wants to squash these rumors.

Honestly anyone who thinks Apple's just fine this holiday quarter without a retina mini is living in lala land. The new Nexus 7 is getting great reviews. Rumors are the new Kindles will have better displays and some rumors claim they will be faster than the Nexus 7. A retina mini, especially one that comes in colors, would blow them all away IMO.

I don't know about a Retina mini blowing the competition away in terms on some people's views, but it would absolutely take the wind from their sails. The timing is right for a Retina mini at this point. Even if it's $399.

In my opinion the iPad lineup for this holiday season should be:

16 GB iPad mini (non-retina) $299
32 GB iPad mini with retina display $399
32 GB iPad with retina display $499
64 GB iPad with retina display $599
128 GB iPad with retina display $699

Add extra for 4G models.

This would be perfect; 2, 3, 4, 5, 6!
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Except for the battery life.

Didn't stop The Verge giving it 9/10. I hate that battery life on their reviews is 1 data point. It should have an inordinate affect in the entire review.
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The new Nexus 7 advertises 9 Hr of battery life, in reality its more like 6. If Apple did this you know we would have a "battery-gate" and the media would go nuts.  But if Google does this, nothing....  instead we get "great price!"

Sadly you're actually right on here. Journalism is mostly dead these days in general. Well, The Guardian, thanks to being owned by a family trust since the 30's still manages to do some journalism. I hope to God they never sell out. We'd all be finished if they did.
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The new Nexus 7 advertises 9 Hr of battery life, in reality its more like 6. If Apple did this you know we would have a "battery-gate" and the media would go nuts.  But if Google does this, nothing....  instead we get "great price!"

When you say "only 6 hours of battery life" you make it sound as tho anyone wants to sit longer than that constantly streaming video content to their mini-tablet. 1hmm.gif

When Arstechnica did their battery test they constantly streamed video to their Nexis 7 for 6 straight hours before it gave up. There's not any use that would stress the battery more than that is there? I can't imagine you or anyone else actually sitting and watching 6 straight hours of video on a mini-tablet and wishing they could sit even longer.

Considering too that it lasted longer in the exact same test than last years thicker, heavier, larger and much lower-res Nexus and I don't think average users will have a complaint about the battery. Otherwise all the reviews so far are pretty positive as far as I've seen.

I generally trust Ars reviews but look forward to the test suites that Anand typically puts these things thru. There really hasn't been much in the way of test results so far. Tough to hide stuff from him.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/07/the-2013-nexus-7-review-meet-the-new-standard-for-android-tablets/

With all that said if Google is advertising up to 9 hours battery use but not noting that it;s with typical services like wi-fi turned off it's not being as forthcoming as they should. I don't like that.
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Nope. another iPad mini with non-retina display is more stupid idea than heavier and thicker model with IPS 326dpi display. Thanks god, Apple knows that.

I think what they found in the code is the ipad mini 1, tweaked for ios7 and repackage in color plastic shells. It doesnt means they wont also be an ipad mini with retina. So 2 new models.
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When you say "only 6 hours of battery life" you make it sound as tho anyone wants to sit longer than that constantly streaming video content to their mini-tablet. 1hmm.gif

When Arstechnica did their battery test they constantly streamed video to their Nexis 7 for 6 straight hours before it gave up. There's not any use that would stress the battery more than that is there? I can't imagine you or anyone else actually sitting and watching 6 straight hours of video on a mini-tablet and wishing they could sit even longer.

Considering too that it lasted longer in the exact same test than last years thicker, heavier, larger and much lower-res Nexus and I don't think average users will have a complaint about the battery. Otherwise all the reviews so far are pretty positive as far as I've seen.

I generally trust Ars reviews but look forward to the test suites that Anand typically puts these things thru. There really hasn't been much in the way of test results so far. Tough to hide stuff from him.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/07/the-2013-nexus-7-review-meet-the-new-standard-for-android-tablets/

Video is light on batteries, a real test would be gaming. An unreal engine game would probably kill that thing in 3 hours.
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If you consider "only 6 hours" is 'slightly less' then sure. I don't know where you read this "great review" (maybe from The Verge ha ha ha) but the first one I read is from Walt Mossberg and it's like this: "great screen, lousy battery life". Can you call that "great review"?

Walt Mossberg didn't write AllThingsD's 2013 Nexus 7 review. If he did I can't locate it. The only thing I found over there on the new Nexus 7 was written by Ina Fried and it contains no mention of battery life. Please link me to it. I would like to read his review or watch his video review.
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Didn't stop The Verge giving it 9/10. I hate that battery life on their reviews is 1 data point. It should have an inordinate affect in the entire review.

The Verge now is a joke concerning everything Android. Like Gruber said "Last year’s Nexus 7 got an 8.8 from The Verge, yet most people, including The Verge, now agree it was a turd." He might be a super-fanboy but he got a very good point here.

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I don't know about a Retina mini blowing the competition away in terms on some people's views, but it would absolutely take the wind from their sails. The timing is right for a Retina mini at this point. Even if it's $399.

In my opinion the iPad lineup for this holiday season should be:

16 GB iPad mini (non-retina) $299
32 GB iPad mini with retina display $399
32 GB iPad with retina display $499
64 GB iPad with retina display $599
128 GB iPad with retina display $699

Add extra for 4G models.

This would be perfect; 2, 3, 4, 5, 6!

Way to expensive imo they wont get away with $400 mini with a nexus 7 at $200. They need the old tweaked mini in plastic at $200 and a 16g retina at $300.
Edited by herbapou - 8/1/13 at 6:19am
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The Verge now is a joke concerning everything Android. Like Gruber said "Last year’s Nexus 7 got an 8.8 from The Verge, yet most people, including The Verge, now agree it was a turd." He might be a super-fanboy but he got a very good point here.

He is a super fanboy, but he definitely has a point there.
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Walt Mossberg didn't write AllThingsD's 2013 Nexus 7 review. If he didn't I can't locate it.

Got it from his tweet. Didn't say he reviewed it, just I read from his.

 

 

 

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Way to expensive imo they wont get away with $400 mini with a nexus 7 at $200. That they need in the old tweaked mini in plastic at $200 and the retina at $300.

I think you're wrong. Battery life, screen area, build quality, iOS iPad App Store ecosystem. All these factors make a 32GB iPad mini with IGZO Retina Display worth $399.
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With all that said if Google is advertising up to 9 hours battery use but not noting that it;s with typical services like wi-fi turned off it's not being as forthcoming as they should. I don't like that.

No "if" now. from WSJ:

"Another drawback: In my test, the new Nexus 7′s battery life was underwhelming. Compared with the same battery test of the iPad Mini and first Nexus 7, it fell short at just six hours; the others clocked in at 10 hours and 27 minutes and 10 hours and 44 minutes, respectively. Google claims the battery life can last over nine hours, but the company tests it in Airplane mode (Internet connection off), with screen brightness set to 44% while playing video. I keep Wi-Fi on in the background and screen brightness at 75% while playing video."

 

It compared to iPad mini and old N7 right then and there. With the same standard the other two does what it's claimed but not the new N7.

 

Small but mighty, with an impressively sharp screen-- but its battery life disappoints.


Edited by matrix07 - 8/1/13 at 4:51am
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Bird of prey.
Edited by Ireland - 8/1/13 at 5:37am
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When Arstechnica did their battery test they constantly streamed video to their Nexis 7 for 6 straight hours before it gave up. There's not any use that would stress the battery more than that is there? I can't imagine you or anyone else actually sitting and watching 6 straight hours of video on a mini-tablet and wishing they could sit even longer.
 

 

It's not about continual use, it's about time between charges.  It's about "do I have to pack a charger, and make sure that I sit somewhere next to a desk with a power outlet that I cannot leave for an hour while I top up".  It's can I take this out with me for the weekend, and use it to watch a film on the train there and back, and check my emails and surf the news when I want inbetween without it switching off.  It's about not having to think too much about "how much have I used this already" when throwing it in your bag, or being able to assume that because you charged it in the last couple of days, it will last you until Monday.

 

It's not about seeing how fast you can thrash it's tits off until it's all used up on one fell swoop!

 

I'd argue that whilst this is the simplest way of providing a benchmark, it's not necessarily all that useful.  Take the comment further back about fiddling with your router DTIM interval to make it sleep longer.  I'd say a good test is can you charge it, not use it for a week, and then still pretty much assume it's still got a full charge, but these are timely tests to do, and fraught with inability to do fairly and consistently (your router/distance from router/encryption options may vary)

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Got it from his tweet. Didn't say he reviewed it, just I read from his.





Will you please post that Tweet link, I want to see if the thing he's linking to in it is what I think it is.
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No "if" now. from WSJ:
"Another drawback: In my test, the new Nexus 7′s battery life was underwhelming. Compared with the same battery test of the iPad Mini and first Nexus 7, it fell short at just six hours; the others clocked in at 10 hours and 27 minutes and 10 hours and 44 minutes, respectively. Google claims the battery life can last over nine hours, but the company tests it in Airplane mode (Internet connection off), with screen brightness set to 44% while playing video. I keep Wi-Fi on in the background and screen brightness at 75% while playing video."

It compared to iPad mini and old N7 right then and there. With the same standard the other two does what it's claimed but not the new N7.

Small but mighty, with an impressively sharp screen-- but its battery life disappoints.

I'd tend to trust Ars tests more than a reviewer at the WSJ as I'm sure you normally would too. 1wink.gif Ars found this new Nexus 7 to last longer on their video tests than than last years lower-resolution model.
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Will you please post that Tweet link, I want to see if the thing he's linking to in it is what I think it is.

Sure.

 

https://twitter.com/waltmossberg/status/362336856383303680

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No "if" now. from WSJ:
"Another drawback: In my test, the new Nexus 7′s battery life was underwhelming. Compared with the same battery test of the iPad Mini and first Nexus 7, it fell short at just six hours; the others clocked in at 10 hours and 27 minutes and 10 hours and 44 minutes, respectively. Google claims the battery life can last over nine hours, but the company tests it in Airplane mode (Internet connection off), with screen brightness set to 44% while playing video. I keep Wi-Fi on in the background and screen brightness at 75% while playing video."

It compared to iPad mini and old N7 right then and there. With the same standard the other two does what it's claimed but not the new N7.

Small but mighty, with an impressively sharp screen-- but its battery life disappoints.

Unbelievably disingenuous on Google's part. I wouldn't mind but some of the reviews when the iPad mini was released were getting 15 hours of battery life, and not the 10 Apple claimed. Similar to the 2013 MacBook Air situation.
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I'd tend to trust Ars tests more than a reviewer at the WSJ as I'm sure you normally would too. 1wink.gif Ars found this new Nexus 7 to last longer on their video tests than than last years lower-resolution model.

It's irrelevant. If it lasted longer then the other two even last longer than claimed. This method is actually good because the other two devices lasted just about its advertisement.


Edited by matrix07 - 8/1/13 at 5:06am
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I don't know about a Retina mini blowing the competition away in terms on some people's views, but it would absolutely take the wind from their sails. The timing is right for a Retina mini at this point. Even if it's $399.

In my opinion the iPad lineup for this holiday season should be:

16 GB iPad mini (non-retina) $299
32 GB iPad mini with retina display $399
32 GB iPad with retina display $499
64 GB iPad with retina display $599
128 GB iPad with retina display $699

Add extra for 4G models.

This would be perfect; 2, 3, 4, 5, 6!

I think it would be a huge seller. But when the iPad got retina the price didnt go up so I'm not sure why you think a retina mini would need to be $70 more while the full size iPad price stays the same. Also there is a 64GB mini model today. Why would that go away? 1hmm.gif
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When you say "only 6 hours of battery life" you make it sound as tho anyone wants to sit longer than that constantly streaming video content to their mini-tablet. 1hmm.gif

When Arstechnica did their battery test they constantly streamed video to their Nexis 7 for 6 straight hours before it gave up. There's not any use that would stress the battery more than that is there? I can't imagine you or anyone else actually sitting and watching 6 straight hours of video on a mini-tablet and wishing they could sit even longer.

You have to be joking?

Given Google's battery tests (Airplane mode/44% brightness) and claims of 9 hours they lied about battery life IMO. As nobody tests bettery life or uses the device that way.

Let's say you use it 6 hours, then it's at 0 battery and you are forced to charge it. So if you take it on a train or away for a day you're now forced to bring your charger, just in case. And that's if you can borrow a wall outlet and wait around for it to charge. These are major deal breakers for people who are used to the over 12 hours the mini usually gets. I know if you go to half brightness even with WiFi on the mini can exceed 14 hours.

And yes, gaming would stress the battery life much more than that. Throw up Infinity Blade and I'd say you're looking at 4 hours. This is a MAJOR deal. Good battery life on a tablet isn't just a feature anymore, it's a necessity.
Edited by Ireland - 8/1/13 at 5:15am
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Well, from N7 performance it seems to be the limit of today technology. Of course if Apple can top that then we all can be delighted. (But not with sacrifice on weight please)
Well here's where Apple can once again prove they're the best. And if they continue to offer a non-retina version then those who care most about battery life will have a choice. Non-retina = best battery life; retina = best display. With the Nexus 7 you have no choice.
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It's irrelevant. If it lasted longer then the other two even last longer than claimed. This method is actually good because the other two devices lasted just about its advertisement.

Hardly irrelevant. Users weren't up in arms about last years model battery life as far as I can tell. If this one does better then I'd call that a plus not a negative. I don't see it as any big deal. If a new iPad Mini delivers a Retina-grade display but less battery life than the current Mini I don't think buyers of it will be grabbing the pitchforks.
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Hardly irrelevant. Users weren't up in arms about last years model battery life as far as I can tell. If this one does better then I'd call that a plus not a negative. I don't see it as any big deal. If a new iPad Mini delivers a Retina-grade display but less battery life than the current Mini I don't think buyers of it will be grabbing the pitchforks.

You missed the entire point, or you intentionally to.

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You missed the entire point, or you intentionally to.

What was the "entire point" you think I missed? If it was that Google is wrong to mention 9 hours battery life if they're not clearly specifying that a typical service like wi-fi has to be turned off to accomplish it them you plainly didn't bother reading what I posted about it (or intentionally making believe I didn't?). If it's something else tell me what it is.

You avoided commenting whether Apple users would flock to a Retina display Mini even if it meant slightly less battery use time. What's your opinion?
Edited by Gatorguy - 8/1/13 at 5:32am
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I wonder if Ming-Chi will now revise his/her forecast, to have all the minions exult over his/her great prescience come 4Q.
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The new Nexus 7 is getting rave reviews, so Apple have to include a retina display in their next iPad Mini or just look irrelevant. Doesn't matter that iPad Tablet apps are more refined than the Android ones, the Nexus 7 looks good and is priced good, so the next iPad Mini has to have some of that itself.

If 'rave reviews' were equal to sales, the market for tablets would look very different than it does now.
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They changed thir comments section to Wordpress. I don't hate the site but ever since they got iOS 7 scoops they've become a bit arrogant.

They must have just switched, but Wordpress is a terrible choice. The website was decent 3 years ago. No longer. Disqus or death! There's no alternative.
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Unbelievably disingenuous on Google's part.

Who woulda thunk!
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The Nexus is still not going to sell better than the Kindle or iPad.

Most consumers have made up their mind and are buying Kindles and iPads in droves because they offer the best user experience and content.

Something Google just doesn't get.

The Mini will be fine whether retina or not because it is still a far batter tablet experience than the nexus.

Also this year the big iPad will be making a comeback with its new smaller form factor. I'm sure that will actually provide a halo to the iPad Mini and increase iPad sales altogether.
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What was the "entire point" you think I missed? If it was that Google is wrong to mention 9 hours battery life if they're not clearly specifying that a typical service like wi-fi has to be turned off to accomplish it them you plainly didn't bother reading what I posted about it (or intentionally making believe I didn't). If it's something else tell me what it is.

Then why go on and on and on about Anandtech? Just leave it at that. It's not about the sole new N7 battery performance. If that's the case then Google can claim it'll last 100 hours and they will still be right (if the device is turn off all the time). This is about the official spec. If the Anadtech's method got new N7 to last 8 hours but iPad mini 14 hours then what's the point? Buyers will compare official spec. They will compare new N7 battery performance with official iPad mini spec which is 10 hours, not Anandtech's. So the WSJ method is pretty good as it is.

So it's irrelevant how well new N7 perform on Anandtech because iPad mini will even perform better than from this WSJ test but no one will care because they only care about official spec.

Caprice.

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Users weren't up in arms about last years model battery life as far as I can tell.

They just didn't buy it, so what there to tell?
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They aren't using Vanilla anymore. Guess they weren't happy with it either.
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They just didn't buy it, so what there to tell?
1biggrin.gif Well played. . .
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Where is Solipsism when you need him? Geez, I miss that guy.....


Yea, what happened? He didn't jump to Android and Windows?
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Then why go on and on and on about Anandtech? Just leave it at that. It's not about the sole new N7 battery performance. If that's the case then Google can claim it'll last 100 hours and they will still be right (if the device is turn off all the time). This is about the official spec. If the Anadtech's method got new N7 to last 8 hours but iPad mini 14 hours then what's the point? Because buyers will compare official spec. They will compare new N7 battery performance with official iPad mini spec which is 10 hours, not Anandtech's. So the WSJ method is pretty good as it is.
Caprice.

Hmmm. And you think I didn't comment on that? Read again sir, I didn't miss it.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/158820/wsj-ipad-mini-with-samsung-sourced-retina-display-likely-coming-in-q4/40#post_2371897
"With all that said if Google is advertising up to 9 hours battery use but not noting that it;s with typical services like wi-fi turned off it's not being as forthcoming as they should. I don't like that."
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So true. Google's battery test with wifi off is ridiculously unrealistic, especially since so many of their services are through the cloud. 6 hours of battery life in real world usage is pretty damn weak. The new Nexus 7 is a nice little product, but that's a glaring weakness that many reviewers are glossing right over. When it comes to these small size tablets, battery life is more important than a retina screen imo.

It's not just more important. It's absolutely crucial.
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