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"With all that said if Google is advertising up to 9 hours battery use but not noting that it;s with typical services like wi-fi turned off it's not being as forthcoming as they should. I don't like that."

I missed it? I replied "no 'if' now", didn't I? If you don't understand then just get back and read.

Read the whole thing again.. carefully and slowly.

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If the Mini is selling for $249, I'll buy 2.

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Another reason I think this was an Apple leak: too coincidental that it comes out the same day as the Moto X announcement.
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It's not just more important. It's absolutely crucial.
And that's why Apple offers two versions - one retina and one non-retina.
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If 'rave reviews' were equal to sales, the market for tablets would look very different than it does now.
iPad mini got rave reviews.
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I missed it? I replied "no 'if' now", didn't I? If you don't understand then just get back and read.
Read the whole thing again.. carefully and slowly.

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I think you're wrong. Battery life, screen area, build quality, iOS iPad App Store ecosystem. All these factors make a 32GB iPad mini with IGZO Retina Display worth $399.

 

32g retina mini at $400 maybe. but the small tablet space is price sensitive, they need a 16g model at 300 or $330 tops.  And Apple needs to change its $100 per 16g, with current prices on SSD its getting to obvious you are getting rip off.

 

That being said, the could get away with a 16g retina at $350 IF its using IGZO panels, that would mean the new mini battery life would be something in the 15 to 20 hours range if they tweaked iOS refresh method. That has some value.

 

IGZO panels and tweaked screen refresh would put Apple back on top in terms of innovation.


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Hardly irrelevant. Users weren't up in arms about last years model battery life as far as I can tell. If this one does better then I'd call that a plus not a negative. I don't see it as any big deal. If a new iPad Mini delivers a Retina-grade display but less battery life than the current Mini I don't think buyers of it will be grabbing the pitchforks.
They will grab pitchforks when the cheap flash memory craps out again and the battery fails to hold a charge after 6 months of usage. Google cuts corners on hardware plain and simple!!!

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iPad mini got rave reviews.

Huh?
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I wonder if the price will vary with the new screen

You mean like the way the price varied for every other iOS device that went from non-Retina to Retina...?
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I think what they found in the code is the ipad mini 1, tweaked for ios7 and repackage in color plastic shells. It doesnt means they wont also be an ipad mini with retina. So 2 new models.

Herb, where are you getting this plastic back rumor from? I asked you in the other thread when you mentioned it.
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Nope. another iPad mini with non-retina display is more stupid idea than heavier and thicker model with IPS 326dpi display. Thanks god, Apple knows that.

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What are you talking about? The 9.7" iPad is insanely popular and is the #1 competitor for the iPad mini. It is due for a major refresh, and Apple has been preparing one that is very exciting.

Keep in mind, the next 9.7" iPad is going to have a design similar to the iPad mini....meaninging overall volume is going to be substantially reduced. Very light, much thinner and slimmer in the bezel...

In short, it is going to be strikingly similar to the iPad mini in all of the good ways....but it also carriers a 9.7" Retina Display.


Now go and tell me that Apple plans to introduce a refreshed mini........with Retina display....at the same time.
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If the Mini is selling for $249, I'll buy 2.

Ebay has 'em.
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They will grab pitchforks when the cheap flash memory craps out again and the battery fails to hold a charge after 6 months of usage. Google cuts corners on hardware plain and simple!!!

The "cheap memory" claim came from someone's imagination. As it turns out it was simply software, corrected with the latest version of Android already rolled out to those old Nexus 7's. Reportedly the battery use time has been improved with the new 4.3x update too.
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Well if we don't get retina then I hope Cook gets grilled on it so he can tell us why. Because the media meme will be how can Google and Amazon release tablets with retina like displays but Apple can't.

lol.gif Can you explain to why the iPad mini has sold so well to date? Being the first NEW iOS device introduced without a Retina Display since iPad 2?
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Also if you have time, clue me in as to "who" precisely gives a crap what internet joke Apple falls under this week?
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It'll be a gem! :)

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Nope. another iPad mini with non-retina display is more stupid idea than heavier and thicker model with IPS 326dpi display. Thanks god, Apple knows that.

 

You can say that, and all things considered it may indeed be a bad idea, but it's also a very bad idea to not have a new iPad mini this year, so if they really are having problems with the screen then it's almost a certainty that they will come out with a non-Retina one instead. 

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He is a super fanboy, but he definitely has a point there.

 

I don't like Gruber much but I disagree that he is a "fanboy."  

 

A fanboy is supposed to be like a true believer or a "member of the cult" sort of speak, meaning that their opinions are irrational and not necessarily based on anything factual.  He's actually a smart guy and I have yet to see him say anything about Apple or Apple's products that isn't based in hard fact and actually quite easy to back up with same.  He also constantly post retractions and corrections when he is wrong. When he gets opinionated about stuff it's usually along the lines of "I really prefer this,"or "look at this great design."  These are not the words of a rabid fanboy.  

 

The only time I've seen him get truly irrational is when he makes the odd statement that has a homophobic or misogynistic kind of tinge to it like when he had that rant about the CNET journalist that changed genders, or when he pops off about some "asshole" journalist but does it in true asshole fashion himself. None of that has anything to do with his Apple reporting though and they are rare occurrences.  That's just his own personal baggage. 

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I don't like Gruber much but I disagree that he is a "fanboy."  

 

A fanboy is supposed to be like a true believer or a "member of the cult" sort of speak, meaning that their opinions are irrational and not necessarily based on anything factual.  He's actually a smart guy and I have yet to see him say anything about Apple or Apple's products that isn't based in hard fact and actually quite easy to back up with same.  He also constantly post retractions and corrections when he is wrong. When he gets opinionated about stuff it's usually along the lines of "I really prefer this,"or "look at this great design."  These are not the words of a rabid fanboy.  

 

The only time I've seen him get truly irrational is when he makes the odd statement that has a homophobic or misogynistic kind of tinge to it like when he had that rant about the CNET journalist that changed genders, or when he pops off about some "asshole" journalist but does it in true asshole fashion himself. None of that has anything to do with his Apple reporting though and they are rare occurrences.  That's just his own personal baggage. 

I hate the term "Fanboy", can't people get off that word and just the word "USER", like it should.    I may use Apple products and like using them, but I don't always agree with everything Apple does.   If I was an Android user, I would certainly be upset that the Android OEMs don't always upgrade the OS to the latest version and there isn't consistency between devices.  To me, that's a BIG deal.  Even Microsoft doesn't play that game where each OEM is able to modify the OS to that extent.  Oh well, I guess kids growing up today have no IT business sense anymore and all they care about is FREE apps, customization, rooting their system and sideloading apps and getting Google Glass to look REAL stupid in public places.  That's all they seem to care about.   Oh well, I'm hoping they will grow up, but unfortunately, most of them won't.

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I hate the term "Fanboy", can't people get off that word and just the word "USER", like it should.    I may use Apple products and like using them, but I don't always agree with everything Apple does.   If I was an Android user, I would certainly be upset that the Android OEMs don't always upgrade the OS to the latest version and there isn't consistency between devices.  To me, that's a BIG deal.  Even Microsoft doesn't play that game where each OEM is able to modify the OS to that extent.  Oh well, I guess kids growing up today have no IT business sense anymore and all they care about is FREE apps, customization, rooting their system and sideloading apps and getting Google Glass to look REAL stupid in public places.  That's all they seem to care about.   Oh well, I'm hoping they will grow up, but unfortunately, most of them won't.

Oh, that's much better than using fanboy (which I hate too). Instead of Android users juist call them all stupid looking kids with no business sense who need to grow up but never will. 1hmm.gif
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iPad mini got rave reviews.

The iPad mini also outsold the Nexus 7.  The Nexus 7 only sold around 7 million units.  The iPad mini sold about that many in the first couple of weeks.  Even the iPad 4 ran games better than the Nexus 10, which supposedly had better graphics.  Oops.  Sorry, Nexus isn't that great of a product. Not that many great apps and third party hardware.

 

In certain industries Android products aren't really used.  Go to a website like Sweetwater.com which sells recording equipment and music creation/production products, they have a section dedicated to iOS, but NOTHING for Android.  Oops. When you see bands perform, they are typically using MacBooks and now getting into using iPads during their performances.

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Oh, that's much better than using fanboy (which I hate too). Instead of Android users juist call them all stupid looking kids with no business sense who need to grow up but never will. 1hmm.gif

Honestly, most of the hardcore Android geeks have NO business sense.  The Android users that I know, didn't even know what the latest release of OS is out there. Disturbing to me that even a hardcore Android geek didn't know that 4.2.2 was the latest as his Droid phone was running 4.1.  Truly pathetic.  They typically don't understand the mentality of an IT professional.  I used to work for some of the largest corporate resellers, I have to tell you, if we had to sell Android tablets, I would be embarrassed to sell them.  I would also be embarrassed to sell Windows 8.  I think Microsoft REALLY messed up with Windows 8.  SERIOUSLY messed up.  I used to sell DOS based PCs, Windows, Mac OS and OS X, and also various flavors of Unix (AIX, Solaris, HP-UX).  Coming from that mentality, Android would a COMPLETE failure.  Maybe that's why HP and Dell have had little success in their market place.  To me, Android is more consumer oriented and not a serious player for the Enterprise market or serious business minded people.  I would probably have a difficult time mentioning the name Google with anything related a serious IT product without laughing uncontrollably.  Google doesn't understand the term "Best Practices".  They understand shotgun approach and buying market share in throwing a bunch of $HIT out to the market and see what sticks.

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CPU/GPU that can power this out there for almost a year, in iPad 4.

Yes, but the battery life will drop below 10 hours. And that is one of the iPads' selling point.
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Nope. another iPad mini with non-retina display is more stupid idea than heavier and thicker model with IPS 326dpi display. Thanks god, Apple knows that.

I disagree: I think the pockatability (size and weight) of the Mini is the selling point. People bought the 1st Gen even though it came with a non-retina display.

Personally I think the next Mini will have:

retina
10 hour battery life
same or lower weight
same thinness, or slightly thicker, as they've done with the 3rd Gen 9.7

and they'll release it when the tech is there.
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The iPad mini also outsold the Nexus 7.  The Nexus 7 only sold around 7 million units.  The iPad mini sold about that many in the first couple of weeks.  Even the iPad 4 ran games better than the Nexus 10, which supposedly had better graphics.  Oops.  Sorry, Nexus isn't that great of a product. Not that many great apps and third party hardware.

In certain industries Android products aren't really used.  Go to a website like Sweetwater.com which sells recording equipment and music creation/production products, they have a section dedicated to iOS, but NOTHING for Android.  Oops. When you see bands perform, they are typically using MacBooks and now getting into using iPads during their performances.
I'm just going off reviews I've read. And most reviews have said V2 is much improved over V1. Go to Amazon and read reviews. Lots of 5 star reviews.
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Yes, but the battery life will drop below 10 hours. And that is one of the iPads' selling point.
I disagree: I think the pockatability (size and weight) of the Mini is the selling point. People bought the 1st Gen even though it came with a non-retina display.

Personally I think the next Mini will have:

retina
10 hour battery life
same or lower weight
same thinness, or slightly thicker, as they've done with the 3rd Gen 9.7

and they'll release it when the tech is there.
But Apple can sell a retina and non-retina version. So those people who care most about 10hr+ battery life can stick with the non-retina and those who would trade battery life for better display can get retina version. That will be the unique selling feature as with the competition you don't really get a choice.
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Except for the battery life.
The new Nexus 7 advertises 9 Hr of battery life, in reality its more like 6. If Apple did this you know we would have a "battery-gate" and the media would go nuts.  But if Google does this, nothing....  instead we get "great price!"

To be fair, Android tablet batteries are designed under the assumption that at least 50% of the time they sit in a drawer so that should really be part of the battery tests and you'll see they manage to last an extra hour under those conditions. 1wink.gif
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16 GB iPad mini (non-retina) $299
32 GB iPad mini with retina display $399

I think that's a good way to do it. A lower resolution display on the low end will help them maintain the low entry price and margins and pushes the average selling price up. I don't really care one way or the other about Retina displays and am happy with either Retina or lower res.
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Way to expensive imo they wont get away with $400 mini with a nexus 7 at $200.

The Nexus sells at no profit and Google has it listed at $229. If Google had Apple's gross margins, it would cost about $329 so $399 isn't that far off when you get a much bigger display and better build quality. $299 is better from a buyer's point of view and it means one resolution across all iPads but I don't think it's essential. Apple by far outsells Android tablets so it's not like there's any urgency to fend off the competition.
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But Apple can sell a retina and non-retina version. So those people who care most about 10hr+ battery life can stick with the non-retina and those who would trade battery life for better display can get retina version. That will be the unique selling feature as with the competition you don't really get a choice.

This is one of those trade-offs Tim Cook was talking about. If Apple ever backslides on battery life, I'd be very (unpleasantly) surprised. They'd go thicker first. But really I bet they're holding out for IGZO.
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I'm just going off reviews I've read. And most reviews have said V2 is much improved over V1. Go to Amazon and read reviews. Lots of 5 star reviews.

I honestly don't care about reviews since they just look at specs.  Those types of review bore me.  I want to use a product that runs the apps that allow me to do something with a product or be able to integrate with various hardware that third parties come out with that can provide a solution.

 

Go to www.mackie.com.  Do you see them making an professional grade mixing console that integrates an Android tablet?  NOPE. They only do iPads.  Check out the DL1608.  Probably one of the coolest pieces of hardware to come out.   They don't support Android anything.  Apple develops professional grade apps like Final Cut Pro and Logic and the iPad is now becoming a device that integrates with these types of products.  So there really is no reason to even consider Android anything.

 

Go check out wave machine labs software called Auria, it only runs on an iPad.  Android is a no show. Fairlight app is only on iPad, not Android.  Omni TR is on iPad not Android.  Alesis makes docking stations for iPads, not Android tablets.  ReBirth for iOS and not Android.   The list goes on for who in the music creation and production world that support iOS devices, but don't support Android.  So, I don't know what to tell you other than what the specs of an Android tablet are completely useless if the apps/hardware I am looking using aren't available for that platform.  For us musicians and people in the music industry have really nothing to choose from that supports Android platform.  There might be a couple of tiny companies that actually might have an Android app, but you have to look pretty hard and nothing is really that special.   DO YOU UNDERSTAND?  DOES YOUR BRAIN COMPREHEND that word FAILURE?  That's what the Android is to people like me.  Miserable failure.    I guess if you want to do basic tablet apps, it doesn't matter what you use, but to certain industries, NOPE.  Sorry.

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This is one of those trade-offs Tim Cook was talking about. If Apple ever backslides on battery life, I'd be very (unpleasantly) surprised. They'd go thicker first. But really I bet they're holding out for IGZO.

I'd agree they are probably getting IGZO technology with their fingerprint technology up to snuff for production is my guess.

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Something you can't do on Android.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atwx00ydWkY&list=PL11AD8AD2BA6E7847

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HQ2GVMi2tQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10WIsoCXIQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3al9z4BIIGI

 

Sorry Android. You just are a failure for the music professional.


Edited by drblank - 8/1/13 at 8:59am
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 I guess if you want to do basic tablet apps, it doesn't matter what you use.

And for many tablet users you've absolutely nailed it. It doesn't really matter which tablet they use as long as the build quality is decent and it lets them run some games, check email and browse the net or perhaps read a book or two. That's really all most users probably do even with an iPad IMO.

If you're relying on your tablet in a professional setting then of course you should verify it's fit for purpose. The iPad is probably the proper and maybe even only choice for many in that segment.

EDIT: If I ever find that I absolutely have to use a tablet to build 18 concurrent audio tracks at once with WaveMachine Lab I have no doubt it will be using an iPad. 1wink.gif

On the other hand if I can't afford to buy each family member their own tablet and find I need to share one the Nexus 7 might be the better choice over an iPad Mini unless I didn't mind my kids or friends having access to all my info and apps. Each person having their own user profile, even a guest account, is something the iPad doesn't do. Different strokes. . .
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Yeah a total figment of people's imagination. You are such a tool or rather a troll.

Yes the cheap memory claim was a figment of someone's imagination. If only name-calling could serve as proof you were right you'd be spot on. 1rolleyes.gif

That's OK, I'll do your research for you. No reason to go to the trouble yourself with separating fact from fiction.

http://gigaom.com/2013/07/30/got-a-laggy-old-nexus-7-heres-why-android-4-3-will-restore-its-performance/

EDIT: You have your own tech blog yet don't check a claim before ridiculing it??
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If this is true, just goes to show the level of extreme horse-shit all these stories and analyst predictions are, and how this site should never, ever again publish a single one. I mean, there's been like 77,201 stories in the past few months of how the next mini won't have a Retina display, and that it wouldn't be betting it until 2014. I pretty much believed it, because of the consensus and the sheer # of stories. Now, it looks it might all be horse-shit. Either way, it doesn't matter. It's clear all these people are talking completely out of their asses, and the WSJ has a good track record as far as these things go.

Apple looks to be releasing the ultimate iPads this fall, and that's exciting.
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Do you know if updating an Android OS is 'just a few taps away' on these devices?

Thanks for that link. I saw the MS disk defrag; is that required on Android, in general? As far as I know this is done 'constantly' on iOS & OSX. Asking you since you post many insightful Android posts.
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Do you know if updating an Android OS is 'just a few taps away' on these devices?

Thanks for that link. I saw the MS disk defrag; is that required on Android, in general? As far as I know this is done 'constantly' on iOS & OSX. Asking you since you post many insightful Android posts.

It was't even a few taps. It was downloaded automatically for my Nexus 7 and all I had to do is approve it with a single tap. I didn't have to go look for it.
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Hmm...because its the WSJ it seems more like a controlled leak by Apple. When WSJ says "people familiar with the matter", isn't that basically Apple? Plus the fact this story came out after 9to5Mac's story leads me to believe Apple wants to squash these rumors.
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First, Apple wouldn't name the supplier if it is a "stealth marketing" leak as you claim. They avoid co- branding their hardware unlike most commodity PC clone makers who stick "intel inside" and "GeForce" stickers all over their laptops. It's more likely that these leaks are coming from their suppliers.

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I'd love a retina mimi too. I'm just being cautious at this point. If Google can't have a good battery life, how can Apple? Unless we get IGZO.

 

Jesus people...do y'all really think that they are baking improved battery life into OSX Mavericks and NOT also into iOS 7?  The Timer Coalescing feature appears to reduce CPU activity by 72% on OSX Mavericks.

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I just saw this article on my local news here in Houston. They were saying that there will be a new iPad Mini this Christmas according to the WSJ. I guess it's a definite since WSJ said it. LMAO!!! SMH.

NO ANNOUNCEMENT FROM APPLE NEEDED.

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Herb, where are you getting this plastic back rumor from? I asked you in the other thread when you mentioned it.

 

Its mention in the WSJ article but it could also mean its going to be colors like the ipod touch, so alumium shells and for the new ipad mini.

 

I saw a rumor about plastic shells like the ones for the iphones C, I will try to find it. It was 2 weeks ago I think.


Edited by herbapou - 8/1/13 at 11:30am
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