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A little bit off topic. Sony is not a good alternative to Samsung. In fact, some of their manufacturing is shared.

 

Panasonic plasma displays don't just offer the best price/performance, but offer the BEST performance bar none (with the rare exception of the ninth generation Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma).

 

Following Panasonic are Samsung's plasma displays.

 

Sony's LCD/LED displays don't even make the list.

 

 

For LED/LCD, I would go with Sharp (and did go with Sharp). The problem with Samsung with televisions is Samsung is notorious for putting on display a TV whereby it manufactures the display with good quality. It, however, outsources a large portion of the panels it uses, lots of times from no name China manufacturers. So, you can view three Samsung sets with the quality being different for each. Many of the online forums complain about the panels looking different at home then they did at the store. 

 

Sharp has been making displays longer than anybody. It has gotten into some legal battles with Samsung over IP theft. Further, Sharp builds all of its displays. I am very happy with the quality of my Sharp set. With that said, I did see a beautiful Panosonic set recently. 

post #42 of 101
I guess the check from Sammy to the South Korean govt cleared.
post #43 of 101
South Korean government expresses concern?

Well, of course.

Samsung IS the South Korean government.

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My confession for today. It may sound childish but I have already stopped buying anything that has Samsung name on it.

And, I am absolutely sure I'm not the first or only one out there.
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Nope I am one of them too. Never owned a Samsung product, never will especially after seeing there shady colors.
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More and more of us every day.

Here too.

I will not buy another Samsung product again, on principle alone.

In fact, give me a chance to buy Samsung or another, more expensive brand, I'm willing to pay MORE to ensure it isn't a Samsung.

I highly recommend others follow this example to send a message.

Many South Koreans feel the same:

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/04/21/apple-samsung-agent-provocateurs/?iid=obinsite
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post #44 of 101
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For LED/LCD, I would go with Sharp (and did go with Sharp). The problem with Samsung with televisions is Samsung is notorious for putting on display a TV whereby it manufactures the display with good quality. It, however, outsources a large portion of the panels it uses, lots of times from no name China manufacturers. So, you can view three Samsung sets with the quality being different for each. Many of the online forums complain about the panels looking different at home then they did at the store. 

 

Sharp has been making displays longer than anybody. It has gotten into some legal battles with Samsung over IP theft. Further, Sharp builds all of its displays. I am very happy with the quality of my Sharp set. With that said, I did see a beautiful Panosonic set recently. 

Why LCD/LED? 

 

The $1,500 60inch Panasonic ST60 plasma has a better picture quality than the best LCD/LED display Sharp has ever made, the $4,400 60inch Elite PRO-60X50FD.

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Who do u think u are sk ! USA can kill u like a crock roach . Shut up u shameless !
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The $1,500 60inch Panasonic ST60 plasma has a better picture quality than the best LCD/LED display Sharp has ever made, the $4,400 60inch Elite PRO-60X50FD.

I have that Panasonic and love the display. As an aside I hadn't noticed until a few weeks ago just how much heat that plasma puts out!
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post #47 of 101
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My confession for today. It may sound childish but I have already stopped buying anything that has Samsung name on it.

My latest purchase? SONY Bravia TV. Love it. Used to believe in Samsung products but no more.

And, I am absolutely sure I'm not the first or only one out there.

Same here, was considering incl Samsung in my TV & washer dryer quest but not now, Koreans are cool but not Samsung
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Who do u think u are sk ! USA can kill u like a crock roach . Shut up u shameless !
A touch of xenophobia?
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So the general consensus is no on Samsung name brand, but its OK if product have Samsung parts?
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And in more news, reports are just now coming in from the Black Hat Conference that Samsung TV's can be hacked and have their cameras remotely activated.

Woo.

F*cking.

Hoo.

I just can't wait for these guys to replace Android with their own smartphone operating system...
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So the general consensus is no on Samsung name brand, but its OK if product have Samsung parts?

Well, of course, genius, unless you've worked out a way to get incomplete devices to function.

Refusing to buy individual devices produced by Samsung is totally different from not buying devices that contain components.

And isn't that just fortunate for Samsung, eh?

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post #52 of 101
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So the general consensus is no on Samsung name brand, but its OK if product have Samsung parts?

 

Not like we have a choice in the matter.

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My confession for today. It may sound childish but I have already stopped buying anything that has Samsung name on it.

My latest purchase? SONY Bravia TV. Love it. Used to believe in Samsung products but no more.

And, I am absolutely sure I'm not the first or only one out there.

I never really had anything Shamesung and don't intend to ever start. Yeah, yeah, their parts are in things but we're talking final branding here.
post #54 of 101
Samsung must have some "hands in the cookie jar" here in the U.S.

It was obvious, especially in court, that they simply copied Apple through and through. Pure plagiarism.

from the external appearance, to icons, to the grid, to key functionality points.

Samsung is slapped on the wrist, which then gets downgraded to just be a wrist massage - thanks to a Korean judge no less (no possible conflict of interest there...).

Apple uses GSM, like everyone else and Samsung gets a complete ban on Apple's "infringing" products.

Time for Apple to make TVs.

And enter the Search Business while they are at it...

Make it the default on all Macs, iPhones, iPods, iPads, and Apple TVs and BOOM! Instant market penetration.

See how the thieves like someone taking a page out of their books.

Then sue them for using a mouse in their products. Or a trackpad. Or a multitouch touchscreen. or an icon based UI, etc.

Samsung... I bought a Samsung TV a couple years ago since it was nearly as good as the LG it was next to, but a couple hundred dollars cheaper.

It is the only Samsung product I own.

I will never own another. I may just be one man, but enough of "one man" doing the same thing makes a difference. why would I pay money to thieves who hurt my opportunity to enjoy better products from their competitor?

I won't.

But I do have one suggestion for Apple:

make sure the next iPhone is called "6."

And make sure it has a larger screen.

This year marks the first time I have ever heard actual people I know considering the Galaxy S4 over the iPhone 5. And it all has to do with screen size.

/rant
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Agree.  They only look and act crazy.  Deep down inside, Samscum's management are cold calculating business droids.


True, but all business-people / capitalists have to be (by definition) coldly calculating.  All we ask is that they all play by the established international rules as much as they can . . .

post #56 of 101
Did they express concern after the THIRD presidential pardon of the CEO of Samsung (for charges of BRIBERY and THEFT no less)? Oh wait, it was their government that pardoned him. Never mind.
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Time for Apple to make TVs.
 

If you thought the $1000 re-badged LG display (~$400) known as the Apple Thunderbolt Display was overpriced, just wait till you see an Apple TV.

 

Knowing Apple they would just take a Sharp LCD/LED panel, integrate a $100 Apple TV box and add $1000 to the price.

 

Let Apple do what they do best, software and computer packaged hardware.

 

There is no reason to introduce a middle-man for something as simple as a display.

post #58 of 101

The South Korean government is behaving idiotic in this case and simply stomping their feet like small children do, apparently without even understanding what the disputes between Apple and Samsung are all about.

 

Samsung tried to use a FRAND patent anti competitively, you simply can't do that, not even if you're an American company. This has nothing to do with Samsung per se. In fact, you can't do that in any civilised country where there are patent laws.

 

Next week's decision is about something totally different and comparing those two decisions just shows that they don't seem to know what they are talking about, because Samsung is not being accused of violating a FRAND patent, they're accused of violating a truckload of regular patents and they should be banned for that.

 

Sorry to burst this bubble, but if anyone believed that having opportunities to sell in the western world equals anti competitive practices, stealing intellectual property or extortion then you've been mistaken.

post #59 of 101

Only thing I ever bought from Samsung was a crappy 2.1 MP digital camera pre-iPhone days, with a kludgy interface and the device failed over time.  Poor quality.  I would never likely buy another Samsung product again after reading what they are really like and based on my past experience.  Their true colors have been shown, and they are not pretty.  

post #60 of 101

Maybe to you, but think about how much money it takes to create some kind of wireless technologies? Better yet, why doesn't Apple pay royalties to LG for the fact that they copied LG's Prada phone? Before Prada phone, there weren't any candy bar type phones. It never existed.

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Indeed, its pretty clear they did it to avoid getting bans over FRANDS.  And I dont like the way Samsung is trying to get patents compensation over chips that are made by a company that is supposed to have paid them already.

 

A malpractice known in the IP / Patent industry as double-dipping.

post #62 of 101

I think Apple should drop all law suits against Samsung to focus on innovation.  Without Samsung's support, Apple will eventually loose iPhone's market to Moto X. 

post #63 of 101
South Korea's statement was actually pretty vanilla. I'm sure it was carefully worded to pacify a large and powerful constituent while not angering the U.S. Gov't. Let's face it -- S. Korea needs the U.S., economically, militarily, and diplomatically, way more than the U.S. needs S. Korea.

On a somewhat related note, I don't subscribe to the view that Apple should start manufacturing it's own products, but I wonder if they have ever given serious consideration to purchasing a controlling stake in LG Electronics? LG's market cap is slightly less than $12 billion so they could definitely swing it by spending some of that off shore cash pile.

That would give Apple control over a major display and electronics manufacturer and also take the battle with Samsung to their own shores. This way Apple could compete with Samsung indirectly in many different areas and hopefully improve LG's consumer electronics offerings by giving them the Apple touch. BTW, I'm not suggesting that LG become a part of Apple. That would tank Apple's profit margins. Just be a majority shareholder and partner.
post #64 of 101
Same here, no more Samscum products. Does anybody know, is Vizio a subsidiary of Samsung? Is LG owned in any portion by them?
Looking for other subsidiaries to avoid. Voting with my wallet.
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Same here, no more Samscum products. Does anybody know, is Vizio a subsidiary of Samsung? Is LG owned in any portion by them?
Looking for other subsidiaries to avoid. Voting with my wallet.

 

Well, no more Apple products then?  Without Samsung, Apple would not have been this successful and never likely be.  Umm, how about Moto X?

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Well, no more Apple products then?  Without Samsung, Apple would not have been this successful and never likely be.  Umm, how about Moto X?

Ridiculous.

If Samsung didn't exist, the iPhone would still exist. The standards bodies would have chosen different technologies. And Apple would have sourced its screens and CPUs from someone else. Sure, the specs might be somewhat different, but the basic design could still have been made.
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If you thought the $1000 re-badged LG display (~$400) known as the Apple Thunderbolt Display was overpriced, just wait till you see an Apple TV.

 

Knowing Apple they would just take a Sharp LCD/LED panel, integrate a $100 Apple TV box and add $1000 to the price.

 

Let Apple do what they do best, software and computer packaged hardware.

 

There is no reason to introduce a middle-man for something as simple as a display.

 

I agree with you that I don't beleive Apple is going to build a TV set. That said; if they did, then obviously they would take Sharp (or whoever's) LCD panel.

Have you ever heard anyone suggest that Apple was going to start "manufacturing" its own LCD panels?

post #68 of 101

Samsung owns the South Korean Govt & media. 

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I own a Samsung TV, unfortunately.  I went to buy a Sony to replace a older Sony but Salesman convinced me that Samsung was just as good, but cost less.  I later found out that Samsung pays Salespeople more to push their products.  I also found out that  Samsung had done same thing to Sony that they did to Apple -- copy their product then underpriced Sony.   The Samsung TV gave out after less than a year but I was able to get it fixed under warranty.  My Sony TV lasted over 10 years without a problem.  Samsung sucks in so many ways.  I will never again buy another Samsung product.

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When is Apple going to start paying for all the FRAND patents it uses?

 

Obama's veto is a huge blow to innovation as who in their right minds will want to risk all the R&D and money it takes to give their hard work to FRAND only have leaches like Apple refuse to pay for the technology?

 

Be careful of what you wish for because you might not like the out come.

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Ridiculous.

If Samsung didn't exist, the iPhone would still exist. The standards bodies would have chosen different technologies. And Apple would have sourced its screens and CPUs from someone else. Sure, the specs might be somewhat different, but the basic design could still have been made.

 

So in effect Apple would be stealing someone else's patents?

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I agree with you that I don't beleive Apple is going to build a TV set. That said; if they did, then obviously they would take Sharp (or whoever's) LCD panel.

Have you ever heard anyone suggest that Apple was going to start "manufacturing" its own LCD panels?

If they did, Sharp or LG would likely provide them with a panel.

 

They would never manufacture their own LCD panel. Apple is only good at packaging hardware, not creating it.

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I own a Samsung TV, unfortunately.  I went to buy a Sony to replace a older Sony but Salesman convinced me that Samsung was just as good, but cost less.  I later found out that Samsung pays Salespeople more to push their products.  I also found out that  Samsung had done same thing to Sony that they did to Apple -- copy their product then underpriced Sony.   The Samsung TV gave out after less than a year but I was able to get it fixed under warranty.  My Sony TV lasted over 10 years without a problem.  Samsung sucks in so many ways.  I will never again buy another Samsung product.

In 2004, S-LCD was a 50:50 joint venture by Sony and Samsung to manufacture LCD displays. At the start of 2012, Sony sold their share to Samsung.

 

Your '10 year' old Sony display was pre-2004, and was likely CRT or rear projection.

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South Korean government expresses concern?

Well, of course.

Samsung IS the South Korean government.


Here too.

I will not buy another Samsung product again, on principle alone.

In fact, give me a chance to buy Samsung or another, more expensive brand, I'm willing to pay MORE to ensure it isn't a Samsung.

I highly recommend others follow this example to send a message.

Many South Koreans feel the same:

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/04/21/apple-samsung-agent-provocateurs/?iid=obinsite

 

It's funny how people are so stupid to cheer for a company they know little about. Like what I have said to my other comments, cheer for Android, boast about how great your Galaxy S4 is, but to be proud of a company you know little about, and worse defend them, a company as shrewd/cunning as Samsung, is it worth your honour pride and integrity?

 

Android needs competition to grow more and not a monopoly.

 

Learn more about the roots culture and practices of a company before defending them, or else just shut your mouth you'll just end up a moron.

 

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/30/3709688/samsung-25-years-lee-kun-hee

 

http://stopsamsung.wordpress.com

 

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/151854/quite-smooth-samsung-actually-sold-1-10-of-the-2-million-galaxy-tabs-it-claimed-in-2010

 

edit:  Almost 2 years free from Samsung branded products. Started when I learned about their roots and practices.


Edited by Daredevil - 8/5/13 at 5:56pm
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Well, no more Apple products then?  Without Samsung, Apple would not have been this successful and never likely be.  Umm, how about Moto X?

 

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Ridiculous.

If Samsung didn't exist, the iPhone would still exist. The standards bodies would have chosen different technologies. And Apple would have sourced its screens and CPUs from someone else. Sure, the specs might be somewhat different, but the basic design could still have been made.

 

?

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Well, no more Apple products then?  Without Samsung, Apple would not have been this successful and never likely be.  Umm, how about Moto X?

 

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Ridiculous.

If Samsung didn't exist, the iPhone would still exist. The standards bodies would have chosen different technologies. And Apple would have sourced its screens and CPUs from someone else. Sure, the specs might be somewhat different, but the basic design could still have been made.

 

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?

 

Did you know that Apple invested in Samsung LCD production?  And do you know how much Samsung gained from its business relationship with Apple?

 

Exactly why I pointed out how people would comment on something they know little about. 

 

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Edited by Daredevil - 8/5/13 at 6:37pm
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Did you know that Apple invested in Samsung LCD production?

Yes they did, almost 15 years ago. I don't recall anyone bringing that up tho they may have.
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Yes they did, almost 15 years ago. I don't recall anyone bringing that up tho they may have.

 

It's more like somewhere between 1999-2001, to help Samsung increase their LCD production capacity also helping to bring cheaper prices to market.

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Did you know that Apple invested in Samsung LCD production?  And do you know how much Samsung gained from its business relationship with Apple?

 

Exactly why I pointed out how people would comment on something they know little about. 

 

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No I did not know that. (Thanks Gatorguy)  I don't know that either.  Would you please let us know how much Samsung gained from its business relationship with Apple? (with of course supporting links)  Otherwise, please do not reply me.

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It's more like somewhere between 1999-2001, to help Samsung increase their LCD production capacity also helping to bring cheaper prices to market.
So 14 years ago, almost 15. :-)
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