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post #81 of 149
Comparing to Samsung is always like 'looking over one's shoulder'. Whilst the Iphones only sell big in the US, that does means Apple has a whole world of opportunity.
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Everyone seems to forget all the shipment and market share reports by ANALyst  are all Scientific Wild Ass Guesses. Remember in the Apple and Samsung court case when Samsung had to report their real sales? The numbers Samsung actually reported were substantially below what had been reported in the media up to that point. That is why I always considered all such media reports as pure SWAG, nothing more.

While that's most certainly true it is also old. I don't recall seeing many SGS 2 out in the wild so the sales numbers weren't that surprising but I do see a good amount of SGS 3/4 where I used to see nothing but iPhones.
post #83 of 149
Just because someone sells a lot of something does't make it any good. I guarantee that the 13% that bought iPhones are a whole lot happier than the 80% that bought substandard Android products.
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"Google's Android operating system continues to dominate the smartphone segment in terms of shipped devices, with an 80 percent share in the latest quarter according to new data, while Apple's iPhone accounts for less and less of shipments in a growing market."

 

BULLSHIT.

 

Put up real stats, or stop posting this kind of garbage on apple insider.

 

Seriously, stop posting this kind of propaganda that is not based on any facts.  IDC is a PR agency, not an independant analyst.

 

Sales numbers for android devices are not published by any manufacturers (because they would be embarassing).

 

 

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"Google's Android operating system continues to dominate the smartphone segment in terms of shipped devices, with an 80 percent share in the latest quarter according to new data, while Apple's iPhone accounts for less and less of shipments in a growing market."

 

BULLSHIT.

 

Put up real stats, or stop posting this kind of garbage on apple insider.

 

Seriously, stop posting this kind of propaganda that is not based on any facts.  IDC is a PR agency, not an independant analyst.

 

Sales numbers for android devices are not published by any manufacturers (because they would be embarassing).

 

 

IDC is quoted by Tim Cook. So I call BS on your BS

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Well, I'm not an expert...

 

You don't say...

 

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..,.but I do know that there were once two great Operating Systems and one of them ended up with over 90% marketshare and the other... 

 

Windows was never a "great Operating System" in any form it took.  Neither were the first Apple operating systems.  OS X is another story altogether and a result of Apple starting over and coming up with a modern OS that abandoned outdated ideas.  That's something that Microsoft never did as they heaped kludge upon kludge.  It's how they ended up with messes like the Registry and DLLs that can be overwritten by subsequent application installations.  

 

Microsoft sells operating systems.  Apple doesn't sell operating systems-- they bundle them with Apple computers.  Apple makes their money on hardware and they get people to pay more for hardware both by making better quality hardware and by putting a superior OS on the hardware.  The same is true of phones and tablets.

 

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By the way, wasn't Mac OS invented before MSDos or Windows?

 

 

MS-DOS was originally Seattle Computer Products QDOS (which stood for "Quick and Dirty Operating System").  The name was later changed to 86-DOS prior to Microsoft licensing it from them in 1980 for $25K and then buying it from them in 1981 for $50K.  It was a blatant copy of Digital Research's CP/M-80 ported to the 8086 family of processors.  The first Mac was introduced in 1984.  

 

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Everybody says Steve Jobs practically invented the personal computer!

 

 

No one who knows anything about the history of personal computers says that.  The MITS (Micro Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems) Altair 8800 is considered by most to the the first mainstream personal computer, and it was introduced in 1975.  The Altair, and competitors from Imsai, Cromemco, and others, ran the CP/M-80 operating system developed by Gary Kildall at Digital Research. CP/M-80 was the first popular microcomputer operating system to be used by many different hardware vendors, and many software packages were written for it, such as WordStar and dBase II.

 

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How come doesn't everybody have a Mac then? Why aren't games on Macs? Everybody loves games! Just look what people use most on the AppStore! Games! How come Mac lost the games battle to Windows? Who's falt is that?

 

 

A large percentage of people just buy whatever is cheap.  That's why Hyundai and Kia sell so many more cars than Mercedes and Porsche do.  It's not evidence that Hyundai and Kia makes better cars than Mercedes and Porsche do.  

 

As to your claim that there "aren't games on Macs," that's just ignorance speaking.  There are literally thousands of games for OS X in the Apple App Store.  But you also over-estimate the demand for games.  Most professionals are not playing MMORPGs and FPSs on their laptops.  They are doing work, exchanging e-mails, and using the Internet.

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"Google's Android operating system continues to dominate the smartphone segment in terms of shipped devices, with an 80 percent share in the latest quarter according to new data, while Apple's iPhone accounts for less and less of shipments in a growing market."


BULLSHIT.


Put up real stats, or stop posting this kind of garbage on apple insider.


Seriously, stop posting this kind of propaganda that is not based on any facts.  IDC is a PR agency, not an independant analyst.


Sales numbers for android devices are not published by any manufacturers (because they would be embarassing).



They can hide sales numbers but they can't hide revenue. There's just no escaping the embarrassment.
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[edit] There is no comparison with the "Windows story". People bought (and still buy...) Windows computers. They choose to work with a Windows computer.

The vast majority of people do not buy an Android phone. They buy a cheap phone or the one "recommended". Tomorrow they could buy a Samsung-Tizen phone as easily as an Android phone today. They couldn't care less about their operating system (besides some geeks 1wink.gif ).
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Well, I'm not an expert...

 

You could have stopped there.

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Money is money. The more ways you can find to make it the better.

Unsurprisingly, you also appear to be arithmetically-challenged.
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2013Q2

 

Apple: 6.9 Billion

Samsung 6.98 Billion

Um that is after taxes for both companies entire income across all product lines.  For Samsung this includes TV's, Appliances, Cell Tower Hardware ETC.

Q3 2013 for Apple (June Quarter)

Before taxes   Apple 9.2 Billion  Apples Taxes 2.5 Billion

Q2 2013 for samsung (June Quarter)

Before taxes Samsung 8.56 Billion  Samsungs Taxes 1.84 Billion

 

See http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/27/samsung-has-not-dethroned-apple-in-mobile-profits

post #92 of 149
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If you want to pretend that you don't understand what I'm saying, then yeah, I'm wrong.

You said "Yeah, except Steve now sells only 13 eggs. Last year he did sell 30, and two years ago he sold 45. But not anymore. So, something must be wrong with Steve's eggs. Maybe, just maybe, Steve is too greedy and he's eggs are not worth the price he asks for them?"

So you were suggesting that they sold fewer this year than in the past - which is clearly false.

It's not my fault that you insist on shooting off your mouth about things you don't understand.
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post #93 of 149
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Oh boy, your comparing samsung operating profits not net.

Plus your talking about Samsung that makes fridges, toaster etc.

 

Here you go read up a little :)

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/27/samsung-has-not-dethroned-apple-in-mobile-profits

 

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You lose when you link to any DED articles. It is pointless.

 

Both companies made lots of money last quarter. 

 

 

No he does not because DED actually used the press releases from samsung and apple for there government financial filings.  So in essence your saying Samsung lied in its financial filing for the Korean Government and Apple lied in its 10Q.1rolleyes.gif

 

Apple actually made more than Samsung Before taxes.

 

 

Here is apples Q3 2013 (June Quarter) 10Q:

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AAPL/1456181004x0x679218/594c826e-5c4a-429f-a6d2-4bc8374e1322/Q3_2013_Form_10-Q_As-Filed.pdf

Here is Samsungs:  Q2 2013 Earnings Report (June Quarter)

http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/ir/ireventpresentations/earningsrelease/downloads/2012/20130726_conference_eng.pdf

 

You can read both and find the truth for yourself.


Edited by Mechanic - 8/7/13 at 4:53pm
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Unsurprisingly, you also appear to be arithmetically-challenged.

Really, how's that?
post #95 of 149
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Not really. I'm not sure Apple will ever have the majority. It's not surprising that there are a lot of cheap phones sold, but Apple doesn't care about them.

But isn't Apple releasing a lower cost iphone? Seems like they care enough to compete in the lower cost space.....

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But isn't Apple releasing a lower cost iphone? Seems like they care enough to compete in the lower cost space.....

Lower cost does not mean cheap. And who says they will release one.
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Originally Posted by Just_Me View Post

2013Q2

 

Apple: 6.9 Billion

Samsung 6.98 Billion

 

Originally Posted by nikilok View Post


 

Oh boy, your comparing samsung operating profits not net.

Plus your talking about Samsung that makes fridges, toaster etc.

 

Here you go read up a little :)

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/27/samsung-has-not-dethroned-apple-in-mobile-profits

 

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You lose when you link to any DED articles. It is pointless.

 

Both companies made lots of money last quarter. 

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No he does not because DED actually used the press releases from samsung and apple for there government financial filings.  So in essence your saying Samsung lied in its financial filing for the Korean Government and Apple lied in its 10Q.1rolleyes.gif

 

Apple actually made more than Samsung Before taxes.

 

 

Here is apples Q3 2013 (June Quarter) 10Q:

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AAPL/1456181004x0x679218/594c826e-5c4a-429f-a6d2-4bc8374e1322/Q3_2013_Form_10-Q_As-Filed.pdf

Here is Samsungs:  Q2 2013 Earnings Report (June Quarter)

http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/ir/ireventpresentations/earningsrelease/downloads/2012/20130726_conference_eng.pdf

 

You can read both and find the truth for yourself.

 

Awesome, you pulled there financial reports out. nice :) .

And Like you mentioned that net profit of Samsung was spread across there entire range of products that include TV , Fridges, Washing machines, Microwaves, Component Manufacturing , EPC Contracts in Oil & Gas, Printers, Mobile Phones, Tablets, Phablets, Computer Monitors have I left anything else out :) ?

 

Funny that Just_Me had a hard time comprehending they don't make anything as close to Apple's revenues in the mobile sector.

 

And like everyone knows Samsung is the highest profit raking licensee of Android.


Edited by nikilok - 8/7/13 at 5:18pm
post #98 of 149
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[edit] [snip]
The vast majority of people do not buy an Android phone. They buy a cheap phone or the one "recommended". Tomorrow they could buy a Samsung-Tizen phone as easily as an Android phone today. They couldn't care less about their operating system (besides some geeks 1wink.gif ).

Who do you think does the recommending?

It's people who do care about their operating system.
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Who do you think does the recommending?

It's people who do care about their operating system.

Hahaha. Or it could be the paid Android shills at the carrier stores.
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Who do you think does the recommending?

It's people who do care about their operating system.

 

Nope most of the recommending happens at retail stores.

Samsung's marketing budget, goes into paying Shills to talk high about there phones.

Its something everyone see's all over the place.

 

Samsung has retail programs in place that pay retailers cash for every serial number they report sold. They have a bunch of channel marketing companies running  these programs in different countries.

 

So if the retailer is going to make money, with the customer buying a Samsung phone he'll bad mouth the iPhone / talk high about Samsung phones with ease.


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I LOVE these numbers.

 

Something very cool about NOT being the mainstream.

 

I always loved Apple products, but also their underdog, not mainstream, aura.

 

That is what makes certain products very desirable.

That EVERYONE doesn't have them.

 

GO APPLE

 

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And if you are the underdog and don't care about marketshare, you are less likely to be gimmicky to gain volume. Apple is concerned about being a luxury brand and I like that. 

 

Sure, they are going to consolidate their entry level iPhone to be a brand itself and not just the old model (and it looks like it is going to be plastic ugh!), but their focus is still on the luxury brand. At least for now. 

post #102 of 149
It's painful to watch Apple gift away sales that would come to them (probably in the tens of billions of dollars by now) by not simply launching a bigger phone. I don't understand it nor do I understand how they can justify it. Obviously, it's hypocritical they came out with the iPod mini.
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It's painful to watch Apple gift away sales that would come to them (probably in the tens of billions of dollars by now) by not simply launching a bigger phone. I don't understand it nor do I understand how they can justify it. Obviously, it's hypocritical they came out with the iPod mini.

 

I had a long time Galaxy S3 user complain the other day it was a pain carrying around the large phone.

Tried playing with it for a while and I realized how much of user experience is lost with the size of the phone.

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Who do you think does the recommending?

It's people who do care about their operating system.

 

Oh and besides the shills at the stores.

 

They pay of editors at certain websites to push articles in there favor, to psychologically brain wash general users. 

post #105 of 149
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Lower cost does not mean cheap. And who says they will release one.

I agree.....Low cost does not mean cheap. I did not say cheap. C'mon the reports of a lower cost iphone has been all over AI and everywhere else on the internet.

Are you saying they are NOT going to release a lower cost iphone?

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I agree.....Low cost does not mean cheap. I did not say cheap. C'mon the reports of a lower cost iphone has been all over AI and everywhere else on the internet.

Are you saying they are NOT going to release a lower cost iphone?

 

They will most likely release a mid level phone, just to shut the whole "Android is gaining market share crowd" :). Lets watch and see :)

 

After a bunch of my Android friends looked at iOS 7 , I couldn't help but notice them adore the iPhone silently :)

 

Now all that's needed is a mid range device for a vast majority to jump ship .

post #107 of 149
I don't think you can trust IDC with their numbers. Samsung or other android manufacturers do not give out the number of smartphones or tablets sold in the quarter except Apple.

Anyway most of the Android smartphones or tablets sold are mostly low priced.

We should measure Apple's progress with IOS devices with their own past records. There is no point comparing with companies who do not compete as much in the high end market.

Apple has not soiled itself with the commodity smartphone market, but has chosen to own the high end of the market and let Android vendors fight for the commodity business. Apple owns the high value customers, which is obvious if you look at spending after purchase of apps and services. Apple's strategy of growing their base of loyal high value customers is working.
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I don't think you can trust IDC with their numbers. Samsung or other android manufacturers do not give out the number of smartphones or tablets sold in the quarter except Apple.

Anyway most of the Android smartphones or tablets sold are mostly low priced.

We should measure Apple's progress with IOS devices with their own past records. There is no point comparing with companies who do not compete as much in the high end market.

Apple has not soiled itself with the commodity smartphone market, but has chosen to own the high end of the market and let Android vendors fight for the commodity business. Apple owns the high value customers, which is obvious if you look at spending after purchase of apps and services. Apple's strategy of growing their base of loyal high value customers is working.

 

Opening a mid category device wouldn't stop people from buying apps / content on the Eco System . 0.99$ - 1.25$ on an average is something the mid level user base would happily spend on iOS.

Now that's the important note, they'll spend 0.99$ on iOS coz there aren't other alternatives to get the app other than jailbreaking.

 

That's however not the case in the Android world, were you can gain access to apps from "n" number alternative sources.

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They will most likely release a mid level phone, just to shut the whole "Android is gaining market share crowd" :). Lets watch and see :)

 

After a bunch of my Android friends looked at iOS 7 , I couldn't help but notice them adore the iPhone silently :)

 

Now all that's needed is a mid range device for a vast majority to jump ship .

I agree....they will release a lower cost iphone. :-)

I also think you will see Apple gain back a ton of sales and market share with the release of 2 iphones.....

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Lower cost does not mean cheap. And who says they will release one.

Ummm yes it does.

cheap  (chp)
adj. cheap·er, cheap·est
1. Relatively low in cost; inexpensive or comparatively inexpensive.
post #111 of 149
OMG, the Android platform has had a bunch of new product announcements since April and Apple hasn't made a product announcement since last Sept. and they getting ready to release some more product in about a month or two, so guess what? The new products will be selling while others hold back and wait for Apple's new product announcement and just like previous years, there will be Apple customers lining up to buy iPhones either through retail stores or the on-line store. If Apple manages to sign up more large carriers in the mean time, then there will be even more people buying iPhones.

Otherwise, this is not anything out of the ordinary since it's just mentioning buying habits to get attention.

But did Apple do more sales this year than last year? YUP. I think that's all Apple really gives a crap about because they know that they don't go after the El Cheapo product market and haven't gone after the large screen market........................ YET. Plus Apple products are sold in less countries and less number of cell carriers. So, bottom line. DUH.
post #112 of 149
Well, Apple need a new phone for those French truffle hunters. Those pigs need feeding.
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I LOVE these numbers.

 

Something very cool about NOT being the mainstream.

 

I always loved Apple products, but also their underdog, not mainstream, aura.

 

That is what makes certain products very desirable.

That EVERYONE doesn't have them.

 

GO APPLE

 

Full Disclosure:

AAPL Share holder.

 

Apple is as mainstream as any company in the world.  They are not an underdog anymore.  Just because somebody in Spain is not buying an iPhone, they know the company.

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these numbers doesn't make any sense. your headline is misleading. you compared whole android OS to iPhone.

There are multiple iPhones. 

post #115 of 149
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I agree.....Low cost does not mean cheap. I did not say cheap. C'mon the reports of a lower cost iphone has been all over AI and everywhere else on the internet.
Are you saying they are NOT going to release a lower cost iphone?

Rumors. I do believe they will release a mid range iPhone, 300-400 off contract.
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Ummm yes it does.

cheap  (chp)
adj. cheap·er, cheap·est
1. Relatively low in cost; inexpensive or comparatively inexpensive.

Surely you're not being this dense. Cheap means low cost but lower cost doesn't mean cheap.
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WHY Developers stay away from Android ??

Ill tell you why, because I am a developer myself.
Say I create an App and sell it for 1$ on Apple's App store, I actually make 70% of that money per individual buying my app.
And on Apple's eco system tons of them buy those apps.

I put the same thing on Google Play, what's gonna happen is your App gets purchased by the hacker community, that will then Publish your app for free on the internet and tons of other stores out there.


Or even worse have it rebranded and make it look like there's and re-sell it back on Google Play.

End of the day no one buys them. (Coz you can get a free version on the web)

The state the Android eco system is, hardware manufacture's are making very less margin on the actual hardware.
They actually then plan on making money over E-Services. Which again is all in ruins.

Samsung's trying to promote there S-Hub and the rest , like Amazon promote there stores.. That just gives the hacker community more options to pirate your Apps for free or a cheaper price !

What are developers doing today about it ?

Sure ill make my app and put it on Apple's store make the money, and then make a lesser quality version of the app (dont care if it's got a few bugs) and put it in Google Play with ADs in it. Yeah so the developers really only planning on taking home AD revenues from Android.

Sure there are more people out there to watch my AD's so ill end up making a little, but nothing even close to what I make on Apple's Store.

Now really Androids still winning the race ?? It's what I said earlier Apple's taking home all the mobile profits..
Do you actually have an app on both platforms or are you using a hypothetical?
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I LOVE these numbers.

 

Something very cool about NOT being the mainstream.

 

I always loved Apple products, but also their underdog, not mainstream, aura.

 

That is what makes certain products very desirable.

That EVERYONE doesn't have them.
 

You're in the minority here then. Most AI posters believe that everyone in the entire world should own an iPhone otherwise they are stupid/poor/<insert other derogatory comment>.

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You really really can't be that dense, and not know that this is a rumor site, right?

oh, oh yes, he most certainly can be. Have you read the rest of his contributions so far?

 

I'm verging on pulling the plug on that one, now that I've learned how...

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Money is money. The more ways you can find to make it the better.

 

er, ethically or otherwise, eh?

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