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T-Mobile announced on Friday that it will be pulling Apple's iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 from its "zero-down" promotion, while AT&T revealed a price cut to iPhones purchased through its "Next" subscription plan.

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According to an internal document, T-Mobile is selectively removing Apple's iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 from its "$0 Down" summer sale on Saturday, leaving only the iPhone 4 available for free on signing, reports TmoNews.

The document notes a coming change in iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 pricing makes the smartphones ineligible for the ongoing "$0 Down" sale. Under the revised structure, customers will pay $145.99 upfront for a 16GB iPhone 5, followed by payments of $21 per month for 24 months.

?As is the nature of promotions, pricing moves are temporary,? a T-Mobile representative told AllThingsD. "?However, combined with our Simple Choice plan, it?s easily one of the most affordable ways to purchase the latest iPhone."

No explanation was given as to why T-Mobile is no longer including the two iPhone models in its summer sale.

After announcing strong quarterly results on Thursday, CEO John Legere said T-Mobile's performance was thanks to the company's message and service, not the recent addition of the iPhone to the telecom's smartphone lineup. Apple's handset accounted for 21 percent of T-Mobile's smartphone sales for the quarter.

Countering T-Mobile's news on Friday, U.S. No. 2 carrier AT&T announced it is cutting the price of iPhones offered through its Next plan, including the latest iPhone 5. With Next, customers pay no upfront fees in exchange for a loss of carrier subsidies.

AT&T Next now offers a 16GB iPhone 5 for $0 down and 20 monthly payments of $27 per month.
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Perhaps the impending iPhone "next gen" announcements are just around the corner?
post #3 of 27
And the Ballmer Memorial 20/200 Hindsight Prize goes to.. John Legere!

"After announcing strong quarterly results on Thursday, CEO John Legere said T-Mobile's performance was thanks to the company's message and service, not the recent addition of the iPhone to the telecom's smartphone lineup."
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I don't think that would be a reason but I do hope to see a new iPhone soon. I can't wait to dump Verizon as their signal is weak to non-existant where I'm now living.

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post #6 of 27
We did things different last quarter and it worked so... We thought we would try something new
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And the Ballmer Memorial 20/200 Hindsight Prize goes to.. John Legere!
 

Awesome!  :)

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Hmm. T-Mobile had good sense and goodwill that lasted all of one quarter.

AT&T has competed them away on handset price, and Apple's probably not too thrilled at Legere.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're on the chopping block again soon.
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Hmm. T-Mobile had good sense and goodwill that lasted all of one quarter.

AT&T has competed them away on handset price, and Apple's probably not too thrilled at Legere.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're on the chopping block again soon.

No, probably not.  If you take the fanaticism out of it then it's really not the best handset out there at the moment, so why advertise that you have a subpar product?  Ecosystem wise the iPhone is great, but how many people even know what that means?   The iPad is helping people understand the whole concept of an ecosystem, but the iPhone is falling behind... not perhaps in a realistic way, but a perceived way.

 

I'm seeing more and more iPads out in public and less and less iPhones (unfortunately in replace of a Galaxy) in public.  My guess is that screen size does matter to most.

 

One thing I used to chuckle with here was the quote "epic fail"  My prediction is that if AAPL doesn't release something at least competitive it will be epic.  This is the fourth time AAPL has hit $460 and dropped.  I love Apple just for that!

 

You really have to live outside of society to not understand the larger screen form factor at this point....

 

At this point I will say that AAPL does not understand New England.  It has lost the "race" or what ever you want to call it here.

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No, probably not.  If you take the fanaticism out of it then it's really not the best handset out there at the moment, so why advertise that you have a subpar product?  Ecosystem wise the iPhone is great, but how many people even know what that means?   The iPad is helping people understand the whole concept of an ecosystem, but the iPhone is falling behind... not perhaps in a realistic way, but a perceived way.

 

I'm seeing more and more iPads out in public and less and less iPhones (unfortunately in replace of a Galaxy) in public.  My guess is that screen size does matter to most.

 

One thing I used to chuckle with here was the quote "epic fail"  My prediction is that if AAPL doesn't release something at least competitive it will be epic.  This is the fourth time AAPL has hit $460 and dropped.  I love Apple just for that!

 

You really have to live outside of society to not understand the larger screen form factor at this point....

 

At this point I will say that AAPL does not understand New England.  It has lost the "race" or what ever you want to call it here.

Not that you want to hear it but Apple has turned into "the other" brand.  Which actually does mean something.  ..and yes we are teaching the older folks.  

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you take the fanaticism out of it then it's really not the best handset out there at the moment, so why advertise that you have a subpar product?  Ecosystem wise the iPhone is great, but how many people even know what that means?   The iPad is helping people understand the whole concept of an ecosystem, but the iPhone is falling behind... not perhaps in a realistic way, but a perceived way.

I'm seeing more and more iPads out in public and less and less iPhones (unfortunately in replace of a Galaxy) in public.  My guess is that screen size does matter to most.

One thing I used to chuckle with here was the quote "epic fail"  My prediction is that if AAPL doesn't release something at least competitive it will be epic.  This is the fourth time AAPL has hit $460 and dropped.  I love Apple just for that!

You really have to live outside of society to not understand the larger screen form factor at this point....

At this point I will say that AAPL does not understand New England.  It has lost the "race" or what ever you want to call it here.

Lost you at 'fanaticism.'

Ramble on.
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Lost you at 'fanaticism.'

Ramble on.

On second read, yes.  That's usually where reasonable discussion ends.  Thanks for adding a (1) towards my research.  No, I do not always trust a web site, however in this case it has been proved to be scientifically factual.


Edited by Vadania - 8/9/13 at 11:15pm
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Lost you at 'fanaticism.'

Ramble on.

 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
 
The Fanactics of Tangier by Eugène DelacroixMinneapolis Institute of Arts

Fanaticism is a belief or behavior involving uncritical zeal, particularly for a religious or political cause or in some cases sports, or with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby. Philosopher George Santayana defines fanaticism as "redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim";[1] according to Winston Churchill, "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject". By either description the fanatic displays very strict standards and little tolerance for contrary ideas or opinions.

In his book Crazy Talk, Stupid TalkNeil Postman states that "the key to all fanatical beliefs is that they are self-confirming....(some beliefs are) fanatical not because they are 'false', but because they are expressed in such a way that they can never be shown to be false."[2]

The behavior of a fan with overwhelming enthusiasm for a given subject is differentiated from the behavior of a fanatic by the fanatic's violation of prevailing social norms. Though the fan's behavior may be judged as odd or eccentric, it does not violate such norms.[3] A fanatic differs from acrank, in that a crank is defined as a person who holds a position or opinion which is so far from the norm as to appear ludicrous and/or probably wrong, such as a belief in a Flat Earth. In contrast, the subject of the fanatic's obsession may be "normal", such as an interest in religion or politics, except that the scale of the person's involvement, devotion, or obsession with the activity or cause is abnormal or disproportionate.

 

So you "guys" like to look up relative terms on such a rehearsed website.  Here is your popular definition of "Fanatic".  Please take a small (at least a moment here nor there towards thoughts of "Crank", which is literally almost every post on this site.

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Lost you at 'fanaticism.'

Ramble on.

While I do like reading your thoughts, I have never seen you post anything that has been scientifically plausible in any aspect.  I'm amazed that you would use that towards me in a rather useless, almost personal, and completely unfounded post.

 

If you would like to discuss the merits of fanaticism, please let me know.  I may have a few years of knowledge that I could share properly.

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Lost you at 'fanaticism.'

Ramble on.

Read below, all though I may actually be the "fanatic" until you apparently have to deal with a person who has a different phone.  What do you do then?...

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We did things different last quarter and it worked so... We thought we would try something new

Yes, and that was forgotten as soon as last quarter....

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If I ever missed Sol, here it is.

Sorry, if I misconstrued your post it's because I stopped reading.

I wish SolipsismX would return.
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Sorry, if I misconstrued your post it's because I stopped reading.

I wish SolipsismX would return.

I wish for his return as well. I learned quite a bit from him. I believe he's out of the country and expect his return once he's stateside again.
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I wish for his return as well. I learned quite a bit from him. I believe he's out of the country and expect his return once he's stateside again.

I have it on good authority that he's not returning.
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Somebody likes to listen to himself talk.
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post #21 of 27
My T-mobile dumb phone gets zero reception in my house anyway, will go with Verizon but will wait for Apple to make a bigger iPhone
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... and while I often offer a contradictory opinion ....

"Often"? "Often"?! Sigh. Have you read your own tag line?

 

I am perfectly fine with contradictory opinions -- I mean this quite sincerely and perhaps you just refuse to see it -- but you're way past the point of tiresomeness.

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No, probably not.  If you take the fanaticism out of it then it's really not the best handset out there at the moment, so why advertise that you have a subpar product?  Ecosystem wise the iPhone is great, but how many people even know what that means?   The iPad is helping people understand the whole concept of an ecosystem, but the iPhone is falling behind... not perhaps in a realistic way, but a perceived way.

I'm seeing more and more iPads out in public and less and less iPhones (unfortunately in replace of a Galaxy) in public.  My guess is that screen size does matter to most.

One thing I used to chuckle with here was the quote "epic fail"  My prediction is that if AAPL doesn't release something at least competitive it will be epic.  This is the fourth time AAPL has hit $460 and dropped.  I love Apple just for that!

You really have to live outside of society to not understand the larger screen form factor at this point....

At this point I will say that AAPL does not understand New England.  It has lost the "race" or what ever you want to call it here.
Once again we have opinion masquerading as fact. You'd think the trolls would learn. But then, of course, they wouldn't be trolls....
post #24 of 27
AT&T's next is a ripoff

Let's do the math: AT&T says that the Samsung Galaxy S4 will have a monthly installment fee of $32, on top of your existing AT&T service fees, which already include a device subsidy. The exact amount of that subsidy is unknown — AT&T declined to comment when I asked — but most industry estimates have put it at something like $20 per month. That's how you can get a GS4 for $199 with a new two-year contract, even though it costs $620 at retail: after two years, AT&T will have collected $680 in total device payments from you, and you get to keep the phone.

But the balance tips entirely towards AT&T with Next. Assuming that same $20 subsidy, after 12 months of Next you will have paid AT&T $384 in Next monthly installments and $240 in device subsidies, for a grand total of $620. Again, that's exactly the full retail cost of an unlocked Galaxy S4 — but you don't get to keep that phone, even though you just paid full price for it. You have to trade it in to get a new phone — effectively giving AT&T a free GS4 to refurbish and resell to its next unwitting customer.

Now, you do get to keep your Next phone if you pay 20 monthly installments, which will cost you a whopping $1,040 if you assume a $20 subsidy: $640 in Next payments, plus $400 in subsidies built into your AT&T plan. That's $420 in pure profit for AT&T, which just made you pay full price for a phone while charging you inflated service prices that include a subsidy specifically designed to lower the upfront cost of that phone.

Source: http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4528404/att-next-phone-upgrade-plans-a-huge-ripoff
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Most likely, Motorola's $500,000,000,000.00 advertising budget, and possibly compensation plan, will include the T-Mobile logo at the end.

 

In return, it's possible that the Motorola XXX SpyPhone will become the next phone that is free, and placed on Promotion.

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Most likely, Motorola's $500,000,000,000.00 advertising budget, and possibly compensation plan, will include the T-Mobile logo at the end.

In return, it's possible that the Motorola XXX SpyPhone will become the next phone that is free, and placed on Promotion.

I was wondering where that $500K marketing claim came from and just found it was credited to "people familiar with the matter" from the Wall Street Journal. Guess if the WSJ reports a rumor then it becomes a fact. That's a lot of money for one phone, so perhaps it's true, or perhaps not.
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AT&T's next is a ripoff

Let's do the math: AT&T says that the Samsung Galaxy S4 will have a monthly installment fee of $32, on top of your existing AT&T service fees, which already include a device subsidy. The exact amount of that subsidy is unknown — AT&T declined to comment when I asked — but most industry estimates have put it at something like $20 per month. That's how you can get a GS4 for $199 with a new two-year contract, even though it costs $620 at retail: after two years, AT&T will have collected $680 in total device payments from you, and you get to keep the phone.

But the balance tips entirely towards AT&T with Next. Assuming that same $20 subsidy, after 12 months of Next you will have paid AT&T $384 in Next monthly installments and $240 in device subsidies, for a grand total of $620. Again, that's exactly the full retail cost of an unlocked Galaxy S4 — but you don't get to keep that phone, even though you just paid full price for it. You have to trade it in to get a new phone — effectively giving AT&T a free GS4 to refurbish and resell to its next unwitting customer.

Now, you do get to keep your Next phone if you pay 20 monthly installments, which will cost you a whopping $1,040 if you assume a $20 subsidy: $640 in Next payments, plus $400 in subsidies built into your AT&T plan. That's $420 in pure profit for AT&T, which just made you pay full price for a phone while charging you inflated service prices that include a subsidy specifically designed to lower the upfront cost of that phone.

Source: http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4528404/att-next-phone-upgrade-plans-a-huge-ripoff

 

Exactly.  You're the smart one ATT couldn't cheat.  But I bet they'll still get many customers who're just looking at the upfront cost and fall into signing the contract.  But some will say that more profit to ATT the better because they come up with this "smart" program to boost their bottom line.

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