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With Apple's next iPhone expected to feature a dual-LED flash for better illumination in photos, a newly leaked part may show the pill-shaped design where those two flash modules will reside.

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Parts purporting to show the top glass portion of the back of Apple's "iPhone 5S" were published on Monday by Nowhereelse.fr. The component shows space for a camera lens, a rear-facing mic, and a larger space for LED flash, elongated from a circle to more of a pill shape.

Leaked schematics obtained by AppleInsider in June showed that the "iPhone 5S' will feature the larger window to the right of the camera lens and rear microphone, covering two LED flash components. The current iPhone 5 features a single LED flash.

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While rumors of dual LED flash in the next iPhone have persisted for months, there has been no evidence in the way of hardware leaks, making the pictures published Monday more significant. An alleged "iPhone 5S" camera module shown last week had a separate LED flash component, which was not included in the leak.

In addition to doubling the flash capabilities of the camera, Apple is also rumored to upgrade the camera to a 12-megapixel sensor, offering higher quality images. There have also been claims of advanced high-dynamic range pictures and 120-frames-per-second video recording for super slow-motion capabilities.
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I bet Steve Jobs would have made them lower the camera on the iPhone 5c a few millimetres so that it actually sat in the centre of the arc formed by the body curve. 1smile.gif
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I can't understand why it is important for apple to add the dual-flash.
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I can't understand why it is important for apple to add the dual-flash.

I'm not a photographer, but lemme take a wild guess:

Better, more powerful flash = better pictures, especially under low light.

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I can't understand why it is important for apple to add the dual-flash.

Because someone at Apple wanted to see Samsung release a phone with 4 LEDs so they could laugh at them. "See, ours is twice as good". /s
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I can't understand why it is important for apple to add the dual-flash.

 

It's nothing fancy - it's more economical to add a second flash than make the existing one twice as bright - but it also because they're so bright, LED flashes only have two modes - off and on. By having two LEDs, there is now an in-between state (off, half, and full) allowing for better light control of photos.

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Because someone at Apple wanted to see Samsung release a phone with 4 LEDs so they could laugh at them. "See, ours is twice as good". /s

in a star shaped configuration, one at each corner of the camera! :)

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Cheap Apple iPhone dubbed as iPhone 5C confirmed!!! http://t.co/n03yhH1M9m

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Is it for red eye reduction?
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They could always be two different colors as well.  I forget where I read that a dual flash with varying colors helps with color reproduction.  Or did I dream that?

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I bet Steve Jobs would have made them lower the camera on the iPhone 5c a few millimetres so that it actually sat in the centre of the arc formed by the body curve. 1smile.gif

Possibly, but placing it further towards the top allows more room for other components and a larger battery.
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It's nothing fancy - it's more economical to add a second flash than make the existing one twice as bright - but it also because they're so bright, LED flashes only have two modes - off and on. By having two LEDs, there is now an in-between state (off, half, and full) allowing for better light control of photos.

That's not really an issue. They can control the amount of light via duration of the flash - which would give almost the same amount of control.
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I can't understand why it is important for apple to add the dual-flash.

 

I forget where, but here or 9to5 there was a post that the second flash was amber in color, which will be a huge help in low light as a flash can be harsh (the reason we use defusers). A trick for photographers is to use a candle that gives a nice warm glow much like you would as the sun is setting (best time to take portraits). If true, you can add more overall light while being able to adjust the color depending on needs. 

 

Example:

In very good light (outdoors), I will use a flash to fill in the shadows. Here, you would use the standard flash (stopped down 1.5 - 2 stops).

 

In very low light (at night, blowing out birthday candles, etc.) you need more light, but as you all have seen, that can be very harsh with reflections off the skin that make horrible exposures. Adding amber light will resolve this greatly. 

 

Now we just need an external bluetooth flash and mic. 

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I'm sure they have tested this extensively, but I would have placed the flash a bit further from the lens.

 

I might also have made it horizontal and convex so that more light would spill to the left and right of the subject, giving more overall light instead of a flashlight look when shooting closeups. Perhaps a bit wider then as well, by 50%. 

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OMG, Stop the presses. A pill shaped flash!!!

Really? An entire story dedicated to a little LED light?
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OMG, Stop the presses. A pill shaped flash!!!

Really? An entire story dedicated to a little LED light?

 

Yet, important enough for you to read and comment on :) 

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Why all the hoopla over a dual-LED flash? Other phone manufacturers (Nokia in particular) have been using this layout for years. The 5S internals are of much more importance - A7, IGZO and a truly universal 4G radio hopefully.

PS. About the rumours of a gold coloured 5S. If true I reckon the colour comes from a titanium nitride coating that gives a level of scratch resistance to the phones body (a bit of a bugbear with the aluminium bodied iPhone 5) the black/slate version of the upcoming 5S might have a PVD or CLD coating for similar scratch resistance...just a theory - we'll see in a month!
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A full couple of years after Android phones have had them... This is innovation? Seriously? Apple has had the finest camera of any phone, yet they've lagged in this technology for years, now. I just feel that more and more Apple is trading on their name more than their innovation. Cook just isn't the CEO for Apple, IMO. Apple needs a product guy, not a finance guy, to run the company. I know, I know... You Apple devoted will make any excuse up to justify his presence, as if he's the best CEO out there, but he isn't.

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Is it possible that there's one LED flash and one Xenon strobe?
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a newly leaked part may show the pill-shaped design where those two flash modules will reside

 

"pill-shaped" means nothing. Pills come in many shapes and sizes, although the basic definition seems to be "a small round mass of solid medicine".  Emphasis on ROUND.  So why not say it's a round design?  Unless it isn't.  So what is the shape?  What kind of pills is the author taking?

 

Perhaps it's just a matter of vocabulary, rather than lazy writing.... The shape appears oval in the photos.  Other synonyms include ovoid, ovate, oviform, and elliptical.

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"LED flashes only have two modes - off and on"

Wrong. There are tons of apps and actual LED flashlights with intensity control
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

There have also been claims of advanced high-dynamic range pictures...

 

That's far more important than bumping the pixel count by a mere 50%.

To me, anyway.  Because you don't see a real increase in picture "sharpness"

until there is a 2x improvement in linear resolution, which requires 4x the pixels.

But you will see a real improvement in picture quality if there is more shadow and/or

highlight detail.

 

Oops.  Forgot that sometimes "high dynamic range" means merging two images together:

the "highlight" and the "shadow" exposures.  And that looks unnatural and sometimes blurry.

Better to increase the range of the sensor itself rather than improve the merging algorithm.

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Originally Posted by APPLGUY View Post
Possibly, but placing it further towards the top allows more room for other components and a larger battery.

 

Steve wouldn't have cared. Hopefully the drawing isn't what we get.

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With Apple's next iPhone expected to feature a dual-LED flash for better illumination in photos, a newly leaked part may show the pill-shaped design where those two flash modules will reside.

A believe you mean capsule shaped. Pills are spherical and were traditionally made by rolling a medicament infused putty between pharmacists' index fingers and thumbs. They are no longer common except in herbal medicine. What many people call pills are actually tablets (compressed powder) or capsules (granules in gelatin housing).
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I'm not a photographer, but lemme take a wild guess:

Better, more powerful flash = better pictures, especially under low light.

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I am a photographer and honestly, flash is one of the most misused features on cameras. Most of the time it makes photos look anything but good. 

 

So many people keep it turned on 100% of the time and it shows in their photos. It does terrible things to skin tones and when used at close range and results in washed-out faces that look unnatural and kind of hideous. Never, ever use it for a selfie. 

 

At the same time, you'll see people using it for subjects really far away. If you're at a concert, guess how many of those photo flashes you're seeing are doing anything at all to illuminate the performers on stage? 0%. The light just isn't making it that far. But it sure is making it into the eyes of everyone in the immediate vicinity of the person taking the photo. People still blindly stand there setting off flash after flash, not helping themselves or anyone else. 

 

Flash should be off most of the time if you're interested in taking a good-looking photo, as opposed to a photo you want to post just to show everyone you were at place X doing Y.

 

Especially if you don't have a camera with adjustable flash intensity settings. A DSLR firing a 1/4 power fill flash is not going to have the same effect as full power. 

 

On an iPhone, try to use HDR, or move to a location with better lighting. 

 

With a real camera, get the hell out of Auto mode and go full manual. It's not rocket science. Your photos will look a million times better than the blurry, washed-out crap you see all over social media. 

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Flash should be off most of the time if you're interested in taking a good-looking photo, as opposed to a photo you want to post just to show everyone you were at place X doing Y.

 

For point and shoots, yes. For (D)SLRs, no. If used correctly, a flash is a great tool you have in your bag, and I use mine 90% of the time for those closer shots, and always with a defuser. I do prefer continual light when available. 

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I'm sure they have tested this extensively, but I would have placed the flash a bit further from the lens.

I might also have made it horizontal and convex so that more light would spill to the left and right of the subject, giving more overall light instead of a flashlight look when shooting closeups. Perhaps a bit wider then as well, by 50%. 

Indeed, putting it further away from the lens will do wonders. You're a photographer, or hobbyist?
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Indeed, putting it further away from the lens will do wonders. You're a photographer, or hobbyist?

 

I've done a job or two :) 

 

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I've done a job or two 1smile.gif 

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Wow! Just goes to show I'm just a hobbyist. Props to you sir!
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I can't understand why it is important for apple to add the dual-flash.


My guess is that the LEDs will be different colors so that in addition to being brighter, when flashed they compliment each other to provide more natural lighting for photos. I'm no photo expert, but I do know that some of my photos look pretty washed out with the previous generation's flash.

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