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Apple, Inc. market cap up $11.7 billion after news of Samsung ITC import ban

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One week after the Obama administration's veto of an import ban affecting Apple helped to send the company's stock up $6.9 billion, news of an import ban affecting Samsung has again helped Apple's market value gain ground, this time by almost twice as much.

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Investors encouraged by news of the decision to ban certain infringing Samsung models (which was issued by the U.S. International Trade Commission last Friday after the market closed) sent Apple's stock up $12.91 (2.8 percent) to close at $467 today.

The ban won't take affect for at least 60 days, and could theoretically be vetoed as well, although the circumstances in the two cases are not closely related and ITC ban reversals are extremely rare.

Last Monday, news of the veto announced over the previous weekend sent Apple's stock up $6.91 or 1.49 percent, enough to raise Apple's market capitalization by just over $6.9 billion, a figure as large as Apple's most recently reported quarterly net income.

The Wall Street Journal had called attention to Samsung's corresponding stock price drop earlier in the day, as Asian investors reacted to the news while much of California was still asleep. Over the past week, Apple's stock gave up Monday's gains, leaving it almost exactly in the same position it was in at the start of the previous week.

Identical bans, different as night and day



While both of the ITC's import ban decisions, first affecting Apple and now Samsung, were related to patent infringement claims, the nature of the patents involved, and the stated intent of the patent holders in pursuing the bans are vastly different.

Samsung's accusations of patent infringement against Apple concerned a patent that Judge Lucy Koh had already ruled Apple did not infringe upon last summer in a summary judgement.

Additionally, Samsung's patent ban only affected older iPhone 4 and iPad 2 models (and not Apple's newer devices that continue to use 3G UMTS) because the "infringement" Samsung claimed wasn't related to Apple's own software or designs, but rather alleged against technology within an Intel Infineon baseband processor Apple used (pictured below on the iPhone 4 logic board).


GSM iPhone 4 logic board


Source: iFixit


Intel licensed the technology from Samsung for resale, but Samsung claims that Intel's sale to Apple retroactively voided the agreement. Samsung also licensed the same patent portfolio to Qualcomm, the company that makes the baseband processors Apple's newer devices use. Samsung was not able to convince the ITC that its Qualcomm license could similarly be revoked in order to embroil Apple in an identical patent claim, however.

The controversial "Standards Essential Patent" was claimed to be necessary in delivering products compatible with 3G UMTS wireless networking, meaning that Apple purportedly wouldn't be able to design products without "infringing" upon Samsung's patented concept. As a component of such an industry standard, Samsung's patent was committed to FRAND (Fair, Reasonable and NonDiscriminatory) licensing rules.

For this reason, the Obama administration detailed that its veto decision was motivated by an effort to stop patent abusers from gaining "undue leverage" in similar cases, a ruling that not only benefitted Apple, but would also assist Samsung in parallel import ban cases being brought against it involving similar Standards Essential Patents, potentially even in cases that didn't specifically involve FRAND-licensing commitments.

Apple's invention patents



In contrast, Apple's patents involved the most recent import ban case involve novel technologies and designs Samsung could work around by simply developing its own original technologies.

A report by Florian Mueller of FOSS Patents details Apple's 'non standards essential' patent claims as involving:

U.S. Patent No. 7,479,949 describing (below) a "touch screen device, method, and graphical user interface for determining commands by applying heuristics," of which Mueller noted "Apple wanted to call 'the Jobs patent' in a trial in Judge Posner's court that never took place." and stated "this patent is under reexamination pressure; Apple also made headway with other multi-touch patents earlier this week when it won a remand to the ITC of its case against Google's Motorola Mobility."

US7479949
Source: U.S. Patent Office


U.S. Patent No. 7,912,501 describing (below) Apple's "audio I/O headset plug and plug detection circuitry."

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Source: U.S. Patent Office


To avoid the import ban, Samsung only has to develop products that don't infringe. As Mueller reported, "Samsung presented to the ITC products that it said (and Judge Pender agreed) don't infringe," adding, "If legality is so readily available, a veto [of the import ban] isn't warranted." Samsung's reference to "rectangles and rounded corners" is often repeated by the company and its supporters to minimize the company's patent infringements.

Rather than outlining its plans to release non-infringing products, Samsung issued a statement to The Verge saying, "Apple has been stopped from trying to use its overbroad design patents to achieve a monopoly on rectangles and rounded corners. The proper focus for the smartphone industry is not a global war in the courts, but fair competition in the marketplace. Samsung will continue to launch many innovative products and we have already taken measures to ensure that all of our products will continue to be available in the United States."

Samsung's reference to "rectangles and rounded corners" is often repeated by the company and its supporters to minimize the company's patent infringements documented in a series of global cases.

Apple issued a less specific statement referencing only Samsung's parallel losses in various jurisdictions, saying, "with today's decision, the ITC has joined courts around the world in Japan, Korea, Germany, Netherlands and California by standing up for innovation and rejecting Samsung's blatant copying of Apple's products. Protecting real innovation is what the patent system should be about."
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Not to mention news of New Iphone announcement
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I bet the stock spike today was the result of the 9/10 iPhone event date being leaked and not because of the patent decision

The stock was flat in the after the patent announcement Friday

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Yeah who knew Apple was going to release a new iPhone?
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Sorry I don't see the correlation. As others have said, if anything the stock is up because of the rumored iPhone announcement date in the WSJ.
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Good to know the stock rises for silly reasons, same way it falls!
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It was never a question of ehether Apple would release a new iPhone. It was a question of when. A 9/10/13 introduction indicates that Apple intends to have the new phone for sale before the end of the quarter.

In my opinion, this would result in revenues and EPS landing on the high side of Oppenheimer's range. Thus driving up the stock price.
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Take that, Needham!
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Dooooooooooomed! /s
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Not to mention news of New Iphone announcement

 

I think that's what did it.

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Dooooooooooomed! /s

 

Apple is effectively a too-big-to-fail and the gov't will do whatever it can do to protect the company.   Wish I had bought it when it was sub-$400.

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Sorry I don't see the correlation. As others have said, if anything the stock is up because of the rumored iPhone announcement date in the WSJ.

 

Indeed correct. There's isn't a single insider investor note out today about the Samsung ban relating to Apple, there was 1 in relation to Samsung's stock. It's all about the WSJ alleged announcement date. Yes everyone expected a new iPhone, WHEN is important for investors. Pure junk piece here. 

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Apple is effectively a too-big-to-fail and the gov't will do whatever it can do to protect the company.   Wish I had bought it when it was sub-$400.

 

Baloney!

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Send Obama a cheque, Apple— political contributions and all. That's how it's usually done, isn't it?

Nope. 1oyvey.gif Not Apple. Darn that dang integrity gene.

Seems the party-popers are out in suits.

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Samsung issued a statement: "Apple has been stopped from trying to use its overbroad design patents to achieve a monopoly on rectangles and rounded corners."

 

The only appropriate response to this would be something along the lines of 'I know you are, but what am I?'  THAT'S how stupid that statement is.

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Samsung issued a statement: 
"Apple has been stopped from trying to use its overbroad design patents to achieve a monopoly on rectangles and rounded corners."


The only appropriate response to this would be something along the lines of 'I know you are, but what am I?'  THAT'S how stupid that statement is.

In Sammy's defense, it was forced to come up with an original response since copying Apple wouldn't be appropriate.
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It was never a question of ehether Apple would release a new iPhone. It was a question of when. A 9/10/13 introduction indicates that Apple intends to have the new phone for sale before the end of the quarter.

In my opinion, this would result in revenues and EPS landing on the high side of Oppenheimer's range. Thus driving up the stock price.

 

That's what I'm thinking. Launch weekends (and the weeks following) see huge sales numbers and Apple could get in a full 2 weeks of sales in Sept to help out the quarter.

 

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Apple is effectively a too-big-to-fail and the gov't will do whatever it can do to protect the company.   Wish I had bought it when it was sub-$400.

 

Sure bud. The government didn't do anything to protect Apple - they did something about companies abusing and stealing IP. Since Apple was on the receiving end of that abuse then they are the benefactors. Nothing more to it than that.

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What a dumb thread. Last Monday the stock spiked up, but Tuesday through Friday the stock gave up all that gain and more. And here, today we have a headline that should read "AAPL stock value recoups almost all previous weeks' losses".

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Apple is effectively a too-big-to-fail and the gov't will do whatever it can do to protect the company.   Wish I had bought it when it was sub-$400.

 

Ridiculous opinion which has been fully explained as FRAND abuse not patent abuse , futher compounded by his mistake at not buying stock when it was at 393 like I did or are you another guy caught with your shorts down?
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In Sammy's defense, it was forced to come up with an original response since copying Apple wouldn't be appropriate.

 

I wonder if there will ever come a time when Samsung's board and/or investors will start to question their blatant copying of other companies patents. I am guessing at some point the cost of protecting themselves from patents and damage to the Samsung brand as a result will start to affect their bottom line? I hope so! I for one will never buy anything from Samsung ever again and try to not buy anything sourced with their junk either if at all possible practically.
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I bet the stock spike today was the result of the 9/10 iPhone event date being leaked and not because of the patent decision

The stock was flat in the after the patent announcement Friday

The number of outstanding shares seems to have dropped a bit. Back in late April, they were noted as having 940m:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/24/us-apple-results-idUSBRE93M1B620130424

They are now at 908m:

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL

so somewhere between May-Aug, they must have bought back 32m shares, which at $400 would be $12.8b. If any of this happened recently, that must have boosted the stock price a little. I imagine they'll do buybacks at regular periods when there's a drop because buying it when it goes down allows them to buy back more.
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There was a buy back
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Originally Posted by Daniel Epstein View Post
Not to mention news of New Iphone announcement

 

That didn't happen.

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I wonder if there will ever come a time when Samsung's board and/or investors will start to question their blatant copying of other companies patents. I am guessing at some point the cost of protecting themselves from patents and damage to the Samsung brand as a result will start to affect their bottom line? I hope so! I for one will never buy anything from Samsung ever again and try to not buy anything sourced with their junk either if at all possible practically.

Only if the money lining their pockets run out.
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Investors encouraged by news of the decision to ban certain infringing Samsung models (which was issued by the U.S. International Trade Commission last Friday after the market closed) sent Apple's stock up $12.91 (2.8 percent) to close at $467 today.

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I wonder if there will ever come a time when Samsung's board and/or investors will start to question their blatant copying of other companies patents. I am guessing at some point the cost of protecting themselves from patents and damage to the Samsung brand as a result will start to affect their bottom line? I hope so! I for one will never buy anything from Samsung ever again and try to not buy anything sourced with their junk either if at all possible practically.

The concept of corporate governance and checks and balances does not exist in Korea.  Samsung is a corrupt, family owned business.  The founders have been indicted twice for fraud by the Korean government.  The son is being groomed to take over the company like some kind of 18th century monarchy.  

 

Lying and stealing is part of the company's DNA.  Apple will be well served when if finally severs all supplier relationships.  Just a matter of time  

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Your article is amazingly wrong. Apple's stock price went up because of the launch date for the new iPhones. The "win" Apple got (after many losses) only applies to a few really old phones. You can see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/10/usitc_issues_mixed_ruling_in_apple_samsung_case/ for details.

You should think twice before celebrating the ban... Apple is still dependent on Samsung in many ways... want to bet the new iPad mini's will be late? And... oh the pricing they'll get!
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Your article is amazingly wrong. Apple's stock price went up because of the launch date for the new iPhones. The "win" Apple got (after many losses) only applies to a few really old phones. You can see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/10/usitc_issues_mixed_ruling_in_apple_samsung_case/ for details.

You should think twice before celebrating the ban... Apple is still dependent on Samsung in many ways... want to bet the new iPad mini's will be late? And... oh the pricing they'll get!
I doubt it's the Apple event. the event is an annual occurance. It would be more if an effect if there wasn't an event.
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Apple is effectively a too-big-to-fail and the gov't will do whatever it can do to protect the company.   Wish I had bought it when it was sub-$400.

Grow up and understand what's been going on. American judges and the DOJ have been working overtime trying everything they can to shut Apple down. Even after a jury recognizes that Samsung violated Apple design patents, the crazy judge refuses to honor the results and throws out half the judgment. So much for a trial by jury. The DOJ prejudices the outcome by saying Apple is guilty in the eBook trial before it even starts, rejects valid information, and pronounces Apple guilty then basically shuts down the iBookstore for several years as punishment. What planet are you on to make your statement? The latest judgments were valid and came from judges who didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

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Grow up and understand what's been going on. American judges and the DOJ have been working overtime trying everything they can to shut Apple down. Even after a jury recognizes that Samsung violated Apple design patents, the crazy judge refuses to honor the results and throws out half the judgment. So much for a trial by jury. The DOJ prejudices the outcome by saying Apple is guilty in the eBook trial before it even starts, rejects valid information, and pronounces Apple guilty then basically shuts down the iBookstore for several years as punishment. What planet are you on to make your statement? The latest judgments were valid and came from judges who didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

Of course the DoJ thought Apple was guilty or else they wouldn't have taken them to court. The iBookstore isn't going anywhere, and try to keep score because Apple has won more trials than they've lost.
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