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Yeah, Apple would never make a product from plastic:

 

Come on, that was a different time, there were totally different economics involved, and most importantly they weren't following those in a race to the bottom with the iMac, they were creating a whole new "gestalt."

 

Now, it would just be, "Well Samsung, HTC, Pantech, and a bunch of other Android companies are making cheap, plastic phones, so why don't we?"

 

The situations couldn't be more different.

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This is just sexist crap.  

Men's pants in those exact same colours were the big item this summer all over North America.

 

I stand corrected

 

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Apple should want to illicit desire with ALL of their products.

Every single iPod from the $49 Shuffle to the $399 touch is sexy.

The iPad Mini is SEXIER than the iPad.

Why would Apple turn on their own philosophy and design pattern with their NUMBER ONE SELLING MOST PROFITABLE PRODUCT?

A cheaper iPhone SHOULD represent the iPhone brand. It SHOULD be a lust worthy product that demands attention.

All of this shit about the 5C having to be ugly in order to keep sales of the 5S up is ludicrous and very un-Apple.

Apple never cuts corners no matter the price of the product, and I would expect that tradition to continue for a cheaper iPhone.

 

Apple needs to differentiate the 5S from the 5C.  The best way to do this is make it plastic.  If the 5C was metal it would totally canabalize 5S sales.  Samsungs flagship phone that sells for $700+ is plastic also.  And after the iPhone the Galaxy line is the most popular. 

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Come on, that was a different time, there were totally different economics involved, and most importantly they weren't following those in a race to the bottom with the iMac, they were creating a whole new "gestalt."

Now, it would just be, "Well Samsung, HTC, Pantech, and a bunch of other Android companies are making cheap, plastic phones, so why don't we?"

The situations couldn't be more different.

So it's different because you say it's different?

Who says that the thinking is "Samsung, HTC, Pantech, and a bunch of other Android companies are making cheap, plastic phones, so why don't we?" Rather, Apple is probably thinking "iPhone growth is slowing down so it's time to expand the product line to appeal to different audiences". Since the high volume, younger crowd is larger than the platinum coated diamond encrusted crowd, it is entirely reasonable to go after the high volume part of the market.

Not to mention, of course, that someone said Apple would never do it. Since Apple already did it, that person was wrong.
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Come on, that was a different time, there were totally different economics involved, and most importantly they weren't following those in a race to the bottom with the iMac, they were creating a whole new "gestalt."

Now, it would just be, "Well Samsung, HTC, Pantech, and a bunch of other Android companies are making cheap, plastic phones, so why don't we?"

The situations couldn't be more different.
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Apple needs to differentiate the 5S from the 5C.  The best way to do this is make it plastic.  If the 5C was metal it would totally canabalize 5S sales.  Samsungs flagship phone that sells for $700+ is plastic also.  And after the iPhone the Galaxy line is the most popular. 
When has Apple ever thought like that?

Just because the competition sells $2000 plastic laptops has Apple thought, "heck why are we wasting all this money on aluminum when people are willing to spend the same for plastic!"

Apple was the one who moved forward and away from plastic. Why would they look at the Galaxy and decide to go backward?
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So it's different because you say it's different?

Who says that the thinking is "Samsung, HTC, Pantech, and a bunch of other Android companies are making cheap, plastic phones, so why don't we?" Rather, Apple is probably thinking "iPhone growth is slowing down so it's time to expand the product line to appeal to different audiences". Since the high volume, younger crowd is larger than the platinum coated diamond encrusted crowd, it is entirely reasonable to go after the high volume part of the market.

Not to mention, of course, that someone said Apple would never do it. Since Apple already did it, that person was wrong.

And that's why there is an Apple net book. Oh wait.
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And that's why there is an Apple net book. Oh wait.

No one's talking about Apple making a netbook.

Rather, the iPad is Apple's answer to the netbook. Similarly, there's no reason they can't make a colored phone as their answer to the low end market.

People with no imagination........


And besides, what does that have to do with the claim that Apple would never release a colored plastic product which is what I was responding to with the iMac picture?
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No one's talking about Apple making a netbook.

Rather, the iPad is Apple's answer to the netbook. Similarly, there's no reason they can't make a colored phone as their answer to the low end market.

People with no imagination........


And besides, what does that have to do with the claim that Apple would never release a colored plastic product which is what I was responding to with the iMac picture?

It was in regards to your comment to expand its product to attract a different audience.

As for colored iPhones, I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with cheap looking colored plastic.
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It was in regards to your comment to expand its product to attract a different audience.

As for colored iPhones, I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with cheap looking colored plastic.

And that's why I put the picture of the iMacs. You said they should used anodized aluminum because colored plastic looks cheap. The iMacs show that you're wrong.
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And that's why I put the picture of the iMacs. You said they should used anodized aluminum because colored plastic looks cheap. The iMacs show that you're wrong.

If Apple brought out those iMacs today I don't think they would get the same response they got over 15 years ago.

Today people would say they look cheap.

Apple has brought tech into a new paradigm where the materials used for products actually matter.

They made us change our minds about plastic 3 years ago with the introduction of the iPhone 4 and the replacement of the MacBook with the Air. Apple taught us that plastic is the past and aluminum and glass is the future.

They moved all of their products aside from a few accessories away from plastic and into the future of tech. Apple is hurting no one but themselves by releasing a plastic iPhone in 2013.
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If Apple brought out those iMacs today I don't think they would get the same response they got over 15 years ago.

Today people would say they look cheap.

Apple has brought tech into a new paradigm where the materials used for products actually matter.

They made us change our minds about plastic 3 years ago with the introduction of the iPhone 4 and the replacement of the MacBook with the Air. Apple taught us that plastic is the past and aluminum and glass is the future.

They moved all of their products aside from a few accessories away from plastic and into the future of tech. Apple is hurting no one but themselves by releasing a plastic iPhone in 2013.

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If Apple brought out those iMacs today I don't think they would get the same response they got over 15 years ago.

Today people would say they look cheap.

Apple has brought tech into a new paradigm where the materials used for products actually matter.

They made us change our minds about plastic 3 years ago with the introduction of the iPhone 4 and the replacement of the MacBook with the Air. Apple taught us that plastic is the past and aluminum and glass is the future.

They moved all of their products aside from a few accessories away from plastic and into the future of tech. Apple is hurting no one but themselves by releasing a plastic iPhone in 2013.

"They made us change our minds . . . " and "Apple taught us . . ." etc.

They did no such thing. They used materials in a way that you were supposed to respond to out of the natural inclinations of your own natural senses. I'm going to focus on you, nothing personal, as an example of how misguided the antiplasticians are around these new phones.

The trouble is that you have never trained your own natural senses. You are missing a huge, looming point about these plastic, colored phones, and you ought to not go on and on about them till you get it, or you are going to look like the world's biggest fool when they come out and they start selling milllions and millions for reasons unknown to you. Here is the point:

Aluminum and glass and stainless steel are cold to the hand and this lends these phones seriousness, gravitas, the feeling of precision. Like an old Leica, as Steve Jobs said, when he introduced the glass and stainless phone.

These plastic, colored phones will be warm in the hand and look warm to the eye, and they'll be seen and felt as warm additions to the lives of their owners. So far Apple has ignored this market, as has Nokia, as has Samsung with their revolting silver plastics. Nokia uses the wrong colors and sharp edges. Note that Apple is not using Fisher-Price/Google primary colors but rather soft and warm pastels.

Sorry, I'm tired of reading your unconsidered hatred of plastic just because it isn't what Apple taught you. Maybe you should look at some pictures of Japanese "Fruits," the kids who deliberately go after color and materials for their own sake, to get a feel for the market.
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And that's why I put the picture of the iMacs. You said they should used anodized aluminum because colored plastic looks cheap. The iMacs show that you're wrong.

Just because they used it in the past doesn't mean they'll use it now. But if they make the plastic translucent for the iPhone, that would be awesome.
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Just because they used it in the past doesn't mean they'll use it now.

No, but it DOES mean that all the people complaining that "Apple would never do that" are wrong.

Oh, and consider the plastic MacBooks, as well.
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Originally Posted by blackbook View Post
Why would Apple turn on their own philosophy and design pattern with their NUMBER ONE SELLING MOST PROFITABLE PRODUCT?

 

Because this isn't the most profitable product. It will be the second most profitable. The real iPhone will be the most profitable, and it remains metal and glass, as it should.


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This is just sexist crap.

 

Your entire post is nonsense. And what moron wears colored pants, anyway?

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"They made us change our minds . . . " and "Apple taught us . . ." etc.

They did no such thing. They used materials in a way that you were supposed to respond to out of the natural inclinations of your own natural senses. I'm going to focus on you, nothing personal, as an example of how misguided the antiplasticians are around these new phones.

The trouble is that you have never trained your own natural senses. You are missing a huge, looming point about these plastic, colored phones, and you ought to not go on and on about them till you get it, or you are going to look like the world's biggest fool when they come out and they start selling milllions and millions for reasons unknown to you. Here is the point:

Aluminum and glass and stainless steel are cold to the hand and this lends these phones seriousness, gravitas, the feeling of precision. Like an old Leica, as Steve Jobs said, when he introduced the glass and stainless phone.

These plastic, colored phones will be warm in the hand and look warm to the eye, and they'll be seen and felt as warm additions to the lives of their owners. So far Apple has ignored this market, as has Nokia, as has Samsung with their revolting silver plastics. Nokia uses the wrong colors and sharp edges. Note that Apple is not using Fisher-Price/Google primary colors but rather soft and warm pastels.

Sorry, I'm tired of reading your unconsidered hatred of plastic just because it isn't what Apple taught you. Maybe you should look at some pictures of Japanese "Fruits," the kids who deliberately go after color and materials for their own sake, to get a feel for the market.

I never said these weren't going to sell well.

Of course a cheaper iPhone is going to sell better than the more expensive one.

Also I like the idea of a colorful new iPhone for Asian markets and the youth in western markets.

But I don't know how you can say plastic will have an instance emotional heart connect with people.

I could make the same statements and assumptions you've made, with the iPod touch. It feels great in the hand and has great colors. But are you suggesting the iPod touch would sell better if it was plastic?

I guess I don't see the point you're trying to make. In todays world everyone knows plastic is cheap, and that is not a description Apple should want for any of their products.
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No, but it DOES mean that all the people complaining that "Apple would never do that" are wrong.

Oh, and consider the plastic MacBooks, as well.

Never do it again after they transitioned to metal/glass.
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Oh, and consider the plastic MacBooks, as well.

... which were discontinued in favor of a metal glass design years ago... Yup.
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Never do it again after they transitioned to metal/glass.

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... which were discontinued in favor of a metal glass design years ago... Yup.

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None of us know for certain about these new iPhones rumours, but I have had a few new thoughts about them.

 

1. Could these cases actually be coloured 'liquid metal' & not actually be plastic? Non of us have seen them in real life yet, so could this be possible? Colour can be added to glass when it's being made, so can liquid metal be given a colour?

 

2. Could they be meant as a replacement for the highest end iPod touches, hence the colours? Like an iPod touch, but actually be an iPhone at the top end iPod prices, or closer to it.

 

We'll all know in Sept or Oct, when Apple decide to launch their new iPhones etc. I'm hoping for Sept, naturally, & waiting for the top-end '5' replacement. 1smile.gif

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No one's talking about Apple making a netbook.

Rather, the iPad is Apple's answer to the netbook. Similarly, there's no reason they can't make a colored phone as their answer to the low end market.

People with no imagination........


And besides, what does that have to do with the claim that Apple would never release a colored plastic product which is what I was responding to with the iMac picture?

 

Yes, you ARE talking about Apple making a netbook, in the sense that you're entire argument -- "as their answer to the low end market" -- is saying that Apple should engage in some race to the bottom.  If you really believe that, then good.  And, as I said, the second they start doing that I'm done as a shareholder.  That wasn't the company I signed up for.

 

As to your iMac example, I didn't think I had to explain this in my first post, but obviously ...

 

What I MEANT was that they wouldn't/shouldn't do that NOW!  You see a beautiful rMBP at the cafe, with the Apple on the lid, and you know exactly what you're looking at.  It's not an effing Dell.  It's not some POS HP.  It's a Mac!  There are TONS of $300 POS laptops out there for people who prefer that.  If that's what you want, then you won't be buying an MBA.

 

This idea that Apple should ALL OF A SUDDEN (since the dark days, at least) try and appeal to the whole market, from the bottom to the top, seems so entirely foreign to me that I don't even know where to begin to criticize it.  Why the hell should Apple appeal to the "low end market?!"  That part of the market is already saturaturated with crap that indistinguishable from the other crap there.  If someone wants the low end of the market product, they already have a million choices.  Let them buy Acer.

 

A cheap iPhone doesn't make sense to me now, it didn't make sense to me before, and it won't make sense to me in the future.  As I said before, the company I signed on for wasn't a company that thought to themselves, "Oh, let's make some plastic piece of junk so we can make dents in 'market share.'"

 

That's Samsung's job.

 

 

EDIT:  When I say, "That's Samsung's job," I don't mean all of their products, obviously.  Heck, I have a Samsung HDTV and a Samsung BD player, both of which I'm more than happy with.  Although, I think the HDTV has a dead pixel.  But unless you are looking for it specifically, you'll never notice; especially from normal viewing distance.


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I never said these weren't going to sell well.

Of course a cheaper iPhone is going to sell better than the more expensive one.

Also I like the idea of a colorful new iPhone for Asian markets and the youth in western markets.

But I don't know how you can say plastic will have an instance emotional heart connect with people.

I could make the same statements and assumptions you've made, with the iPod touch. It feels great in the hand and has great colors. But are you suggesting the iPod touch would sell better if it was plastic?

I guess I don't see the point you're trying to make. In todays world everyone knows plastic is cheap, and that is not a description Apple should want for any of their products.

I'm glad you're open to the idea that they will sell well in other markets. I tried to cover this the other day.

There are stages in cultural development when plastic does have an "emotional heart connect" with people, and that comes and goes even within single nationalities. A few years ago, Bakelite and celluloid bracelets, rings, radios from the 30s were hugely desirable retro objects in American and British shops. When they first came out in the 30s they were hugely popular as new objects too. When you see them you know why: they are soft and warm and delicious. If you don't see that, you are simply—so far— "deaf" to those visual and tactile tones. The remedy is to find someone who does get these tones, maybe smoke some pot, and go to an antique store and look and feel the stuff. Sensory retraining.

The iPod touch in aluminum is cold and precise even in anodized colors, and i'd love to replace my old scratched-up, rounded-back stainless steel ones with the new version, but I would like even more the flat-back plastic ones if they chose to make them, mostly because they would be less expensive and they could go caseless. A lot of others will feel the same way, still others will prefer the aluminum.

Point is, on the one hand, polymers are warm. (I lived with the 2nd generation white iBook for many years, and never got tired of feeling it.) But Apple's beadblasted matte aluminum is also some of the most erotic stuff ever made in metal. The back of the original iPad is even shaped like certain body surfaces. And one can't keep one's hands off the bottom of the Air.

Both materials are desirable.

Edit: @AaronJ, Big news for you. It isn't the bottom of the market that these phones will be aimed at. It's the young taste-driven segment of the market, the ones who in my day used to buy records, record players and Walkmans. They used to buy iPods, maybe in your day. Very important slice of the market, in case you haven't noticed. Maybe I should be directing this to jragosta too.
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Edit: @AaronJ, Big news for you. It isn't the bottom of the market that these phones will be aimed at. It's the young taste-driven segment of the market, the ones who in my day used to buy records, record players and Walkmans. They used to buy iPods, maybe in your day. Very important slice of the market, in case you haven't noticed.

 

Yes, that's my day as well.  But I'm still not seeing the advantage here.  To me, all it says is: We're damaging the brand to sell cheaper phones.  It seems like a HUGE step backwards.  If it isn't aiming toward a lower end of the market, then why have it be cheaper?  And if it IS cheaper, then how is it *not* aiming at a lower end of the market?

 

There are all sorts of "very important slices of the market" frankly.  The $300 laptop is probably an important slice of the market.  Is that next for Apple?

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Yes, that's my day as well.  But I'm still not seeing the advantage here.  To me, all it says is: We're damaging the brand to sell cheaper phones.  It seems like a HUGE step backwards.  If it isn't aiming toward a lower end of the market, then why have it be cheaper?  And if it IS cheaper, then how is it *not* aiming at a lower end of the market?

There are all sorts of "very important slices of the market" frankly.  The $300 laptop is probably an important slice of the market.  Is that next for Apple?

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Yes, you ARE talking about Apple making a netbook, in the sense that you're entire argument -- "as their answer to the low end market" -- is saying that Apple should engage in some race to the bottom.  If you really believe that, then good.  And, as I said, the second they start doing that I'm done as a shareholder.  That wasn't the company I signed up for.

Not even close. Netbooks were products that were so crippled that they were barely useful for anything but the most basic tasks - in order to cut price to the bone. It is entirely possible to make a lower priced product without sacrificing quality or performance if you're intelligent about it. I've done it. Apple has done it (can you say 'iPad Mini'?).

More importantly, the entire iPad market disproves your point. Apple could have made a $300 laptop, but they chose not to because it would be crap. In fact, Jobs set the bar higher - saying that Apple didn't know how to make a $500 laptop that wasn't crap. So, instead of trying to make a $300 laptop, they threw out the entire concept and made the iPad - which most certainly is not crap.

It is quite possible to offer a lower priced product without it being crap. Based on both of your posts, you seem to be completely incapable of understanding that simple concept.

Just like the iPad Mini (and the iPod Touch and other products before that), I would expect that if Apple decides to expand into a new segment of the market, they will NOT product a crappy product. They will never produce anything less than a very good product (usually a great product). If they can't get the price to a competitive point without turning the product into crap, they won't do it.

But considering Apple's incredible supply chain performance, high volume, and minimal number of SKUs, Apple can make price competitive without sacrificing quality other than the very lowest end of the market - but no one is suggesting that Apple should be making $39 cell phones, so that's irrelevant.

Do you really think that you know more about brand building, technology, and marketing than Apple?
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Not even close. Netbooks were products that were so crippled that they were barely useful for anything but the most basic tasks - in order to cut price to the bone. It is entirely possible to make a lower priced product without sacrificing quality or performance if you're intelligent about it. I've done it. Apple has done it (can you say 'iPad Mini'?).

More importantly, the entire iPad market disproves your point. Apple could have made a $300 laptop, but they chose not to because it would be crap. In fact, Jobs set the bar higher - saying that Apple didn't know how to make a $500 laptop that wasn't crap. So, instead of trying to make a $300 laptop, they threw out the entire concept and made the iPad - which most certainly is not crap.

It is quite possible to offer a lower priced product without it being crap. Based on both of your posts, you seem to be completely incapable of understanding that simple concept.

Just like the iPad Mini (and the iPod Touch and other products before that), I would expect that if Apple decides to expand into a new segment of the market, they will NOT product a crappy product. They will never produce anything less than a very good product (usually a great product). If they can't get the price to a competitive point without turning the product into crap, they won't do it.

But considering Apple's incredible supply chain performance, high volume, and minimal number of SKUs, Apple can make price competitive without sacrificing quality other than the very lowest end of the market - but no one is suggesting that Apple should be making $39 cell phones, so that's irrelevant.

Do you really think that you know more about brand building, technology, and marketing than Apple?

 

No, I don't think that.  I don't even think anywhere close to that.

 

But that doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion on a possible product, right?  Look: The last thing I would hope for is for me to be right.  And I don't think that the iPad Mini is a good example, because other than the processor and the Retina display -- unless I'm forgetting something -- it's basically a smaller iPad.  It's the iPad in a different form factor, right?

 

The "cheaper" iPhone, though, is something different.  At least that's the way it seems to me.  Hey, maybe you'll be right, in the end.  But it sounds like an awful idea on many fronts to me.

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No, I don't think that.  I don't even think anywhere close to that.

But that doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion on a possible product, right?  Look: The last thing I would hope for is for me to be right.  And I don't think that the iPad Mini is a good example, because other than the processor and the Retina display -- unless I'm forgetting something -- it's basically a smaller iPad.  It's the iPad in a different form factor, right?

The "cheaper" iPhone, though, is something different.  At least that's the way it seems to me.  Hey, maybe you'll be right, in the end.  But it sounds like an awful idea on many fronts to me.

Considering your inability to grasp even the most basic marketing concepts, I don't think Apple's worried about your opinion.
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Considering your inability to grasp even the most basic marketing concepts, I don't think Apple's worried about your opinion.

 

When the $#%& did I ever say they were?!

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Well, we'll see. I think they're going for middle tier myself.
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The people whining about the colors are the same people who whined about the original iMac. And we all know how that worked out.

 

It did sell well and is now a pop culture icon, but I think it would be fair to call it a P.T. Barnum "can't argue with success" kind of thing... like "Geez, translucent fruit colors and it sold. Go figger." Did it sell because it looked weird, or was it because it was such a great idea and great value that even people who thought it was unattractive bought it anyway?

 

The 5C may very well sell extremely well in whatever colors Apple offers, but that doesn't necessarily mean the colors are pleasing or attractive. It might sell well to people who have poor taste, or it may sell well in spite of the ugly colors.

 

Or maybe those of us who dislike what we've seen so far are out to lunch and those colors really are exactly what the world is waiting for. At least there appears to be a very nice looking white one for anyone who doesn't like whatever Apple actually winds up offering, if anything.

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And that's why I put the picture of the iMacs. You said they should used anodized aluminum because colored plastic looks cheap. The iMacs show that you're wrong.

 

Just one man's opinion, but I don't think they do. I think the iMacs *DO* look "cheap."

 

I'm NOT maligning the iMac, I think it was a great idea (duh -- obviously) and I'm NOT saying Apple made a mistake, just that its success does not equate to it not looking cheap. I believe that's a subjective call.

 

Edit: P.S. I think the supposed 5C case looks great except for the colors shown so far. I don't care if it's plastic, aluminum or stainless steel as long as it looks good and holds up well.

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Considering your inability to grasp even the most basic marketing concepts, I don't think Apple's worried about your opinion.

 

...and with that, pages of cogent, well-reasoned arguments are dismissed as just more vitriolic abuse from a very rude person.

 

Why you wanna do that?

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These iPhones would like look 1,000,000,000 times better if they were made of anodized aluminum regardless of what the color selection was.

If apple can afford to use anodized aluminum on the $49 iPod Shuffle why would they resort to barf inducing plastic on a $450 iPhone?
 
Perhaps making them look a billion times better is counterproductive.
 
Maybe they want to reserve aluminium enclosures for the premium models and use this model to attract new kinds of users.
 
If you were Jonny Ive how else would you differentiate between the iPhone 5 and a new, cheaper phone with iPhone 5 internals without removing features or software?
 
We are in agreement on the colour selection. I much prefer the forest green, burnt orange and purples that have graced their anodised products. But you and I likely aren't the target market and primary colours + grass green are a decent place to start. I predict red, blue and white will sell well.
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Well, we'll see. I think they're going for middle tier myself.

 

Yes, we will see.  And like with the iPad Mini, I will probably end up proven wrong. :)

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If you were Jonny Ive how else would you differentiate between the iPhone 5 and a new, cheaper phone with iPhone 5 internals without removing features or software?
 

I find it funny that a lot of people here think that the only way to differentiate the 5C from the 5S is to make the 5C ugly so that the 5S looks more attractive next to it.

Well how about differentiate the phones by making the 5C excellent and beautiful in its own regard with an anodized aluminum exterior, and then making the 5S that much better with innovations that are so lust worthy even the capable beautiful 5C pales in comparison!

You people seem to have forgotten what makes "Apple" Apple. It's about pressing the limits with the high end pro products that make the extra $$$ worth it.

That's what differentiates the MacBook Air from the Retina Pro Line. Same screen size, similar thinnest, but a completely upgraded experience worth the higher cost. And guess what? It's done without cheapening the Air to make the Pro look good.

I know this is another long rant, but that's how I would have envisioned a cheaper iPhone. Capable and beautiful on its own, with the pro level iPhone reaching new heights of innovation and grandeur. And yes that could have been done even with both maintaining the same screen size.
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I find it funny that a lot of people here think that the only way to differentiate the 5C from the 5S is to make the 5C ugly so that the 5S looks more attractive next to it.

Well how about differentiate the phones by making the 5C excellent and beautiful in its own regard with an anodized aluminum exterior, and then making the 5S that much better with innovations that are so lust worthy even the capable beautiful 5C pales in comparison!

You people seem to have forgotten what makes "Apple" Apple. It's about pressing the limits with the high end pro products that make the extra $$$ worth it.

That's what differentiates the MacBook Air from the Retina Pro Line. Same screen size, similar thinnest, but a completely upgraded experience worth the higher cost. And guess what? It's done without cheapening the Air to make the Pro look good.

I know this is another long rant, but that's how I would have envisioned a cheaper iPhone. Capable and beautiful on its own, with the pro level iPhone reaching new heights of innovation and grandeur. And yes that could have been done even with both maintaining the same screen size.

So you think you know more about design than Apple?

And what's with all the silly begging the question arguments? OK, YOU think that the designs are ugly. So? Does that make them ugly? Of course not. You don't get to dictate everyone's designs.

If Apple releases a colored iPhone (which isn't a certainty, of course), I have every confidence that they'll do a good job of it. I couldn't care less whether it meets your silly demands. They know what they're doing. You don't.
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Rubber chiclet buttons on an upcoming Apple product (unpleasant flashbacks of the Sinclair Spectrum home computer come to mind!) - terrible! blackbook's comment here is very true - it was only the metal buttons and switches on the 3G/3GS that lifted it from feeling like a piece cheap plastic crap. This is a very bad idea!
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Rubber chiclet buttons on an upcoming Apple product (unpleasant flashbacks of the Sinclair Spectrum home computer come to mind!) - terrible! blackbook's comment here is very true - it was only the metal buttons and switches on the 3G/3GS that lifted it from feeling like a piece cheap plastic crap. This is a very bad idea!

See the post before yours.
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http://m.swatch.com/zz_en/watches/fw2011_newgent.html

I might be completely wrong, but I think that one could compare the cheaper iPhone with the "New Gent" collection from Swatch.
They are minimalistic watches made from plastic and have very few features (telling time, date and day of the week).

They have a variety of colours, sell for very little, even here in Uruguay they go for 90 dollars which is quite low for a branded watch.

And the most important factor on those watches are the colours. I ended up buying the all-black one because the other colours available at the time were to much for me. But it is obvious that they are ment to be sold to people 30 years-old or less that want to differentiate themselves from the rest of the herd. Or to fashion driven people that one to match their clothes and their accessories.

And of course you have to consider that the cheaper iPhone would have to be advertised outside of the US much more than in the US.

There are 3 carriers in my 3.7 million people country, and only one of those carriers has a deal to sell iPhones(Telefonica, which probably got the iPhone to Uruguay as part of a regional deal and not a national deal).
This iPhone could mean getting more deals with the rest of the carriers that until now found the idea of selling iPhones just to risky.
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