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This article is sooooo Bias. Why another company can't have a better product than Apple? I doubt all these problems exists in first place. It is really sad to read this article. Does Apple pay you guys? OK we get it Apple is the best nothing is better than Apple. We wont buy the Nexus 7 only iPads got the message.

Have you used a nexus? Is it not biased if the claims are accurate. It's not that other companies can't make a better product than the iPad, it's that they haven't, and appear to be getting a free pass in the review process despite serious hardware defects.
post #122 of 181
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A device that doesn't fall apart after 3 months of light usage.

Okay so by that definition, and seeing as how DeD identified the components glitches that define "Cheap" then it appears the iPhone 5 is officially a cheaply built device

http://www.redmondpie.com/iphone-5-could-have-a-serious-hardware-based-touchscreen-problem-video/

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3953651?start=0&tstart=0

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4329731?start=0&tstart=0
post #123 of 181

To all those apple fans:

 

You are not giving android a chance. I recently purchased the new Nexus 7 and I LOVE IT. Before I used apple products myself. I wanted a 7 inch tablet, but the iPad Mini is WAY overpriced. I payed $270 for my 32gb Nexus 7, or I could have payed $430 for the iPad Mini. I made the switch for 3 reasons; the ridiculous price, I was getting tired of iOS, and android is a lot more open. iOS is so restrictive, it just felt the same old. With android, I can put customize the homescreen and lock screen, see what apps are running and kill them, and lot other stuff iOS can't do without jailbreaking. Some apple fans have reasons why iOS is better, but don't look at the pros of android. Y'all need to look at the pros and come of both operating systems, and stop giving android all this crap. I'm not saying android is better, I'm saying people don't consider it. Y'all need to consider both. 

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Okay so by that definition, and seeing as how DeD identified the components glitches that define "Cheap" then it appears the iPhone 5 is officially a cheaply built device

http://www.redmondpie.com/iphone-5-could-have-a-serious-hardware-based-touchscreen-problem-video/

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3953651?start=0&tstart=0

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4329731?start=0&tstart=0

I see. So you can't tell the difference between real problems and imagined ones. None of those turned out to be real design problems. One appears to be a single phone that might be defective and the other is just the kind of random complaint you get from a tiny number of users no matter how great a product is. Nothing like the Nexus - where the overwhelming majority of published reviews cite the exact same problems.
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To all those apple fans:

You are not giving android a chance. I recently purchased the new Nexus 7 and I LOVE IT. Before I used apple products myself. I wanted a 7 inch tablet, but the iPad Mini is WAY overpriced. I payed $270 for my 32gb Nexus 7, or I could have payed $430 for the iPad Mini. I made the switch for 3 reasons; the ridiculous price, I was getting tired of iOS, and android is a lot more open. iOS is so restrictive, it just felt the same old. With android, I can put customize the homescreen and lock screen, see what apps are running and kill them, and lot other stuff iOS can't do without jailbreaking. Some apple fans have reasons why iOS is better, but don't look at the pros of android. Y'all need to look at the pros and come of both operating systems, and stop giving android all this crap. I'm not saying android is better, I'm saying people don't consider it. Y'all need to consider both. 

Collect your check from Google on your way out the door.

As for the bolded, you're wrong - at least for many of the people here. I've used Android and it stinks. Several other people have given their own experience, as well. So even your initial statement is just plain false. The rest is just the usual fandroid whining.
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post #125 of 181
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Design: If a larger display was worth design points, should 4.7 inch displays earn android devices extra points compared to the iphone5?

 

Display: I'm no display expert, but in Anandtech's quantitative review of the nexus 7's display, they don't seem to have problems with color accuracy (http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review/2)

 

Lastly, does "Software" include apps or just the OS? If that category includes third-party apps, then what does "Ecosystem" measure? The ipad certainly has better third-party apps, but Android these days is in some respects more advanced than iOS. Features like intents for inter-app communication (sort of like iOS URL schemes but much more general) and multiple user profiles put android closer in functionality to OS X than iOS. 

nice try.

 

tablets ain't phones. one hand operation is not a goal. optimal website display is.

 

Anandtech is a notorious Android fanperson. CNET, certainly an Android-friendly site, reports:

 

However, despite its color improvements, the 2013 Nexus 7's screen doesn't represent color as accurately or vibrantly as the 8-inch Samsung Galaxy Tab 3's, though the Tab 3's screen isn't as sharp. The Nexus 7's screen looks comparatively greenish when looking at pictures or movies of faces and sometimes pushes purple when lots of bright colors are in the mix. Most won't notice, but it definitely stands out with the two tablets side by side.

 

since it's the only "software" rating, that score must include both the OS and apps. iOS7 is the new standard.

 

"ecosystem" of course is all the other interrelated services, hardware, etc. Google has the best cloud ecosystem, no doubt. Apple has the best hardware/accessories ecosystem, no doubt. further impact of iOS7 remains to be taken into account.

post #126 of 181
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I see. So you can't tell the difference between real problems and imagined ones. None of those turned out to be real design problems. One appears to be a single phone that might be defective and the other is just the kind of random complaint you get from a tiny number of users no matter how great a product is. Nothing like the Nexus - where the overwhelming majority of published reviews cite the exact same problems.
Collect your check from Google on your way out the door.

As for the bolded, you're wrong - at least for many of the people here. I've used Android and it stinks. Several other people have given their own experience, as well. So even your initial statement is just plain false. The rest is just the usual fandroid whining.

I'm not a fandroid, I've been using android for a week. OK, so you've given android a chance, good for you. Not everyone will like android. Not everyone will like iOS. 

 

I have had no problems with my Nexus 7. Maybe these problems will come up, but they probably will be fixed. The same has happened with apple. You could have just replied and said I have tried android it stinks. I say good for you, you've actually touched an android phone/tablet. 

post #127 of 181
Originally Posted by sears View Post

but the iPad Mini is WAY overpriced.

 

No, try again. I won't point out the irony of someone called "Sears" complaining about "overpriced".


iOS is so restrictive, it just felt the same old. With android, I can put customize the homescreen and lock screen, see what apps are running and kill them, and lot other stuff iOS can't do without jailbreaking. 

 

Except everything you said can be done without jailbreaking. Do you even know how to troll? Please, people.


Y'all need to consider both. 

 

Android was stolen directly from Apple. How could it possibly be worth considering? Answer that.

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No, try again. I won't point out the irony of someone called "Sears" complaining about "overpriced".

 

Except everything you said can be done without jailbreaking. Do you even know how to troll? Please, people.

 

Android was stolen directly from Apple. How could it possibly be worth considering? Answer that.

My first name is sears, I have nothing to do with the store. 

 

The only way you can customize an iOS home screen is by sorting apps and making folders. You cannot customize the lock screen. 

 

Android may be a copy of iOS, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't consider it. This may be a bad example, but take the Wright Brothers plane. This was there first successful fixed wing plane. IOS was the first successful touch screen os. Other planes came after the first plane, other os' came after iOS.

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Originally Posted by sears View Post

The only way you can customize an iOS home screen is by sorting apps and making folders. You cannot customize the lock screen. 

 

Please try again, this time without lying.


Android may be a copy of iOS, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't consider it.

 

Yes, it does. Run along now.

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nice try.

 

tablets ain't phones. one hand operation is not a goal. optimal website display is.

 

Anandtech is a notorious Android fanperson. CNET, certainly an Android-friendly site, reports:

 

However, despite its color improvements, the 2013 Nexus 7's screen doesn't represent color as accurately or vibrantly as the 8-inch Samsung Galaxy Tab 3's, though the Tab 3's screen isn't as sharp. The Nexus 7's screen looks comparatively greenish when looking at pictures or movies of faces and sometimes pushes purple when lots of bright colors are in the mix. Most won't notice, but it definitely stands out with the two tablets side by side.

 

 

Funny, I was under the impression that Anandtech likes Apple very much. Same with CNET. At any rate, the reviewer's preference is not really relevant here because we are talking about quantitative measures of color accuracy. If you don't like Anandtech, have a look at Notebookcheck's rather meticulous review, which also concludes that the Nexus 7 beats the Galaxy Tab 3 8.0:

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Grayscale and color accuracy are both surprisingly good at no more than a deltaE deviation of 3 units and 5 units, respectively. This only becomes more accurate the more saturated the colors are according to our tests with the CalMAN software. This is uncommon for most other tablets where the deltaE can be over 10 units for many colors under the same test conditions as seen in our reviews of the Galaxy Tab 3 8.0 and Iconia W3 810. The 2.35 gamma is also close to the 2.2 ideal sRGB target while the 6701K color temperature is close to the 6500K standard. For such a low-priced tablet, the screen simply outclasses its competitors in this regard.

(http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Google-Nexus-7-16-GB-2013-Tablet.98299.0.html)


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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Please try again, this time without lying.

 

Yes, it does. Run along now.

Oh, I forgot, you can change the wallpaper. 

Please let me know what I'm missing.

post #132 of 181
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nice try.

 

tablets ain't phones. one hand operation is not a goal. optimal website display is.

 

Then what's the point of a sub-10-inch tablet? Were people complaining that the full iPad is too heavy? Why does Apple's own website for the ipad mini (http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/prominently display the device fitting in one hand? If ease of one-handed use is a consideration when evaluating a smaller tablet, then the nexus 7 deserves credit for being easier to hold in one hand.


Edited by d4NjvRzf - 8/14/13 at 8:25pm
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I see. So you can't tell the difference between real problems and imagined ones. None of those turned out to be real design problems. One appears to be a single phone that might be defective and the other is just the kind of random complaint you get from a tiny number of users no matter how great a product is. Nothing like the Nexus - where the overwhelming majority of published reviews cite the exact same problems.
Collect your check from Google on your way out the door.

As for the bolded, you're wrong - at least for many of the people here. I've used Android and it stinks. Several other people have given their own experience, as well. So even your initial statement is just plain false. The rest is just the usual fandroid whining.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=nexus%207%20review&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDwQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Freviews.cnet.com%2Fgoogle-nexus-7%2F&ei=uWUMUun8BqveyQG1oIG4Bw&usg=AFQjCNHpM_7bS_FRQSd5tgK_sPf14UPhpg&sig2=aXKxsy9dkWX793tswHwBSw

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406552,00.asp
"Well Built"


http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/29/nexus-7-review-2013/
"This go-round, the two tech giants had much more time to perfect the device, which bodes well for the quality here, we'd say.

http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/gadgets/new-nexus-7-1169802/review
"Durable Build

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/07/the-2013-nexus-7-review-meet-the-new-standard-for-android-tablets/3/


I can continue pasting good reviews, and I didn't have to search far, only the first page of googling "Nexus 7 review"

Please shows us what "Overwhelming" reviews you're talking about?
post #134 of 181
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Then what's the point of a sub-10-inch tablet? Were people complaining that the full iPad is too heavy? Why does Apple's own website for the ipad mini (http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/prominently display the device fitting in one hand? If ease of one-handed use is a consideration when evaluating a smaller tablet, then the nexus 7 deserves credit for being easier to hold in one hand.

oh come on. this is tedious. for a smartphone one hand use means both hold and operate some of the display UI with literally one hand, like to call or text - it's a phone first and foremost after all. you could have your other hand in your pocket. holding a tablet in your left hand while using your right (or vice versa) to manipulate the tablet touchscreen is obviously "two handed" use. that needs explaining for you?

 

of course a key advantage of all smaller tablets is their lighter weight compared to the full size. much easier to hold without other support for extended periods of time. that's needs explaining for you?

 

i suppose the N7 is easier to hold than the mini in portrait mode, since its narrower. but using it in portrait mode pretty much sucks, so good luck with that.

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You may want to go back and read the same kind of reviews of the original N7 and then

compare it to the recent poll of 2012 N7 "List of Known Faults" from the xda-developer Android forums.

 

Here are the known problems after a year. 

 

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801464

 

It appear these problems took a while to develop because NONE of these problems were raised in ANY reviews in 2012.  Had these problems show up early on, how many would have recommended the original N7 and given it its high rating back in 2012? 

 

They include:

Screen Lift/Seperation

Headphone Socket Not Working

Wi-Fi Dropping

Battery/Power Drain (too fast)

Defective OEM Charger

Battery Will Not charge

Dead Pixels

Light Bleed

USB Connector Broken Out Of The Box

Touchscreen Not Functioning

Crackling Speaker

Screen Tearing

 

Not sure why Flash slow down was not noted.

 
here are some reviews of the 2012 Model.  I have noted the claims of high quality and boastful recommendations!
 

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/28/nexus-7-review/  

Headline: "Nexus 7 review: the best $200 tablet you can buy".  

 

"The latest challenger to enter the competition is ASUS, partnering with Google to create the first Nexus tablet, a device that not only will amaze with its MSRP, but with its quality."

 

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/29/3125396/google-nexus-7-review 

"Google’s Nexus 7 isn’t just an excellent tablet for $200. It’s an excellent tablet, period. In fact, it’s the first Android tablet that I can confidently recommend to buyers — and not just because it’s got a low price tag (though that certainly helps). It’s a well-designed, powerful, and useful product, with lots of bells and whistles that makes it feel like a device that should be more expensive than it is....Believe it or not, the last time I was surprised by a product with those same qualities, it was called the iPad. 

"

Verge rating 8.8/User rating 9.1

 

 

 

For N7 2013, so far the list is much smaller. Then again its only been a few weeks.

 You can review the same web site but in the N7 2013 section for the problems. I have collected most of the popular discussions here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2409

GPS quits working - Acknowledged by Google

Multi-touch not working correctly when no path to ground - Acknowledged by Google

Random Reboots

Chrome Crashes Often

Notification LED not working

 

2 steps forward, 1 step back? We shall see. However, why anyone would buy another N7 (2013) after having an N7(2013) is beyond me.  Its like continuing to buy a  car brand knowing full well it had more problems an other makes. These reviewers should already be aware that Asus and LG does not exactly make high quality tablets and smart phones. There should be no excuse to blindly recommend people on product made by these manufacturers simply because there is a Google branding on the box.

If you insist on Android, there are better options. Its not hard to figure out which ones are better than others in terms of quality. Just review that xda-developer forum for thread with large number of posts of problems reported for the make and model of interest.

 

Anyone claiming that the new 2013 N7 is a quality product and recommending it to others, would be well advised to give it more time before passing on recommendations for purchase given the poor track record of the 2012 model also built by Asus. Same goes for Nexus 4 built by LG.  

 

This just goes to prove that what looks flawless when it is new, can to look very different after a few months. I believe the technical characteristic which describes this is called "HW integrity and reliability". Anyone who would recommend something after only a few weeks of use, fully knowing the past models from this manufacturer commonly have issues is not doing themselves or others any favors.  Keeping this in mind, it is interesting to read a bunch of posts in that forum from people coming for help with issues and saying they bought a used 2012 N7 from their "buddy" who upgraded to a different model. With friends like that, who needs enemies?


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post #136 of 181

I had a Sony Tablet S,  typical Sony build quality - solid,  interesting form factor, nice to handle. 

 

This is not a cheap device, around the same price as an iPad. BUT STILL CATASTROPHICALLY LET DOWN BY THE OPERATING SYSTEM.

 

The device wouldn't stay attached to my WiFi for more than 15 minutes without disconnecting when no other device disconnected. So as a standalone media consumption device OK.  As an online connected consumption device - A LOAD OF RUBBISH.

 

IF I could get the SD card to mount properly without having to fight the OS and use third party apps to put content on the card - for those reasons alone and probably more if I could be bothered to find them I gave up and sold it.

 

I am IT literate, but for the average user who isn't - surely the target market for a tablet, it would be enough to make you put it in the drawer and leave it there as UNUSABLE.

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I had a Sony Tablet S,  typical Sony build quality - solid,  interesting form factor, nice to handle. 

 

This is not a cheap device, around the same price as an iPad. BUT STILL CATASTROPHICALLY LET DOWN BY THE OPERATING SYSTEM.

 

The device wouldn't stay attached to my WiFi for more than 15 minutes without disconnecting when no other device disconnected. So as a standalone media consumption device OK.  As an online connected consumption device - A LOAD OF RUBBISH.

 

IF I could get the SD card to mount properly without having to fight the OS and use third party apps to put content on the card - for those reasons alone and probably more if I could be bothered to find them I gave up and sold it.

 

I am IT literate, but for the average user who isn't - surely the target market for a tablet, it would be enough to make you put it in the drawer and leave it there as UNUSABLE.

The Tablet S was Sony's first dabble with android and was plagued with problems. Your experiences with this product should in no way be used as a generalization of other high end android tablets. I have owned an, Asus Transformer TF101, Transformer Infinity, Motorola Xoom, Xoom II (still my favorite android tablet), Samsung Tab 7.7 and now a Nexus 7 (2013), none of them ever or have yet to have any hardware problems. I'm sure your happy now with your iPad so all of this is just a moot point isn't it.

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post #138 of 181

I think people are getting too heated about this & are off base, I'd call myself an 'Apple Guy' I own many macs & iOS devices, first computers I've ever used were macs, but people need to chill out.

Anyways, I'm starting to think of iOS & Android like (sorry in advance) Apples & Oranges, they are both in the same family but are quite different.

I love my iPad mini & i have the new nexus 7, if i had to choose 1 of them id pick the mini.

Some people just want email, Internet & some thing to watch movies on & play music, the nexus 7 2nd gen, is really good at those few things, well one of them really, watching movies, the screen is nice & the speakers are great, if that's all you re doing then the thing wont get malware :p

I'm pretty lucky that i can afford to own many types of gadgets & toys, i have my favorites but i like to try everything & give it a go, people need to get real, stop driving new people from the site or we will be stuck with the same douchbag trolls that fight everyone for not thinking so linearly.

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Have you used a nexus? Is it not biased if the claims are accurate. 


It's a rubbish tablet, sure. But this whole article just smacks of digging up dirt. I thought this site was supposed to be about Apple, not indulging DED's desire to fling mud at the competition?

 

Every time I load this site there's another smug article about how bad a Google or Samsung product is, normally containing a conspiracy theory about how Apple products are systematically underrated in reviews. It's childish and unprofessional. The other Apple news sites stick to actual news about Apple.


Edited by Euphonious - 8/15/13 at 5:33am
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To all those CrapAndroid fans:

 

GTFO already!!!! I might understand someone recommending me Windows RT as it is really different that iOS and it could at some point in the distant future evolve into some sort of lower end competitor. Android on the other hand is complete and outer BS. It is not just the substandard quality of the OS but Google's criminal ethics. Anyone who recommends Android is either a RETARD, an Apple hating Psychopath or simply paid by Google!!!

You say android sucks but you have no evidence to support this argument. Use the N7 for an hour and then tell me why it sucks. 

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If you are trying to be viewed as reasonably open minded person for who's opinion should be considered equally,  these comments just undid any progress you think you made towards your goals. 

I know, that last comment was immature and uncalled for, but my first name IS Sears.

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oh come on. this is tedious. for a smartphone one hand use means both hold and operate some of the display UI with literally one hand, like to call or text - it's a phone first and foremost after all. you could have your other hand in your pocket. holding a tablet in your left hand while using your right (or vice versa) to manipulate the tablet touchscreen is obviously "two handed" use. that needs explaining for you?

 

of course a key advantage of all smaller tablets is their lighter weight compared to the full size. much easier to hold without other support for extended periods of time. that's needs explaining for you?

 

i suppose the N7 is easier to hold than the mini in portrait mode, since its narrower. but using it in portrait mode pretty much sucks, so good luck with that.

My apologies for employing the term "one-handed use" imprecisely. Of course no one would consider trying to hold and manipulate a 7 inch tablet with the same hand. But I would argue that the ability to grasp the device comfortably in one hand is one of the most important qualities of a compact tablet. Consider how Phil Schiller introduced the iPad mini:

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(Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fYPn2vQIzxc&t=227. This video starts at the relevant quote.)
 
But what can you do with an iPad mini that you can't already do with the amazing 4th generation iPad? Well this, you can hold it in one hand [shows slide of someone palming an iPad mini].

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I know, that last comment was immature and uncalled for, but my first name IS Sears.

Is your last name Roebuck? lol.gif
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Is your last name Roebuck? lol.gif

I hear that joke too often... 

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Except the usable screen size.
I'm using an iPad mini right now, and it's quite a usable size. This is coming from someone who's had every iPad since the original, minus the 4th gen. The same can't be said for my POS Samesung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0. That thing blows big time.
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I'm using an iPad mini right now, and it's quite a usable size. This is coming from someone who's had every iPad since the original, minus the 4th gen. 

I would agree.  I have an iPad mini as well as iPad 4.  The iPad mini is quite useable.  Similarly an iPhone is quite useable.  However, if have all three sitting available at the table and I want to go browse the web,  I find myself grabbing the iPad 4 every time due to it's large screen. If I want to send an iMessage, I'll pick up the iPhone. My daughter prefers the the iPad mini due to her smaller hands.

 

 Tall Skill has a point. While the iPad mini is quite usable, from a tablet experience point of view the bigger iPad provides a better experience for most adults.  Its the Cadillac. This is why I bought two more iPad 4's as gifts last year for my parents and planning to get an iPad 5 for my wife come this fall.

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Please try again, this time without lying.

 

 

You have a penchant for accusing people of lying.

 

You accused me of the same in another thread - yet when I provided detailed facts which substantiated my claims, I didn't see you either refuting them or apologising for calling me a liar.

 

People don't like their integrity being questioned. If you're going to mount this kind of unnecessary personal attack, then make sure your claims are watertight - or at least have the good grace to acknowledge if they prove not to be.

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People don't like their integrity being questioned.

 

Maybe they shouldn't lie, then! 1oyvey.gif1rolleyes.gif

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The Tablet S was Sony's first dabble with android and was plagued with problems. Your experiences with this product should in no way be used as a generalization of other high end android tablets. I have owned an, Asus Transformer TF101, Transformer Infinity, Motorola Xoom, Xoom II (still my favorite android tablet), Samsung Tab 7.7 and now a Nexus 7 (2013), none of them ever or have yet to have any hardware problems. I'm sure your happy now with your iPad so all of this is just a moot point isn't it.

 I also recall you state you own a Samsung Note as well.  Its very interesting to me that you have owned so many different tablets from different manufacturer's.

 

I spend a lot of time researching a product before I buy it.  I stick to a brand if I am happy with the purchase over time and it proves reliable and well supported. I switch brands if I was not satisfied with the purchase for various reasons and I tend to black list a brand if I have issues.  Its a lot like buying cars for me.   If I had a good experience, I'll stick with the brand and buy from them again. This is loyalty that is earned. If it was not so great, I'll buy from someone else next time and not recommend it to anyone that asks.

 

You state above that you have not had issues with any of the makes and models you list above. What has caused you to switch brands and models so much?  This buying behavior does not make sense to me.


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I agree this is a very biased article. I happen to have 2 iPad (2nd and 4th gen) and a Nexus 7 2nd generation. I like the form factor and the beautiful screen on the Nexus, just as much as I like the screen on my 4th gen iPad. I agree with this article's lack of maturity on many of the Android apps, but I have not experienced any of the issues mentioned here. The lack of maturity (junk apps) is present on many of the IOS apps as well... one just needs to choose wisely.

I would've purchased an iPad Mini if it had decent screen, but that was not the case. So, it's not surprising that I find myself using the Nexus tablet more and more... the form factor just lends itself better... easier to carry, hold, etc.

As the hardware from these other vendors gets more mature and capable, Android is getting better too. I'm glad that Apple is seeing this as shot across its bow and is doing something about it. Competition is healthy and the consumer is ultimately the winner.

Being a fan-boy for sake of defending a company or brand is not cool. Give credit where credit is due.

     Agreed. I just bought my wife one for her birthday and so far it is working as advertised. She is just mainly using it for media consumption...but there are plenty of other app types available also.  If the retina mini would have been out I would have probably gone with one, but Apple was too late with it. I will still probably pick one up for myself at a later date (iPad mini retina that is) so I can directly compare the two at that time. Hopefully the new mini is all that it's hyped up to be.

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Why am I not surprised ? Apple Insider bashes Nexus 7 tablet right on scheduled to potentially hurt sales ? I smell agenda. Let's speak the truth. The truth is the Nexus 7 is the best 7" tablet on the market right now at an incredible price point. When the iPad Mini comes out, it might be a different story. But for now, it is fact. Will some people have issues...Yes. Is 99% of the Nexus 7 tablets working fine...Yes! End of story. Carry on to the next agenda, anti-Google bashing...
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You say android sucks but you have no evidence to support this argument. Use the N7 for an hour and then tell me why it sucks. 

 

I've used Crapdroid long enough to know that it's a complete and outer POS. There is not a single meaningful feature in that system that would put it ahead of iOS. NOT ONE!

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Yes. Is 99% of the Nexus 7 tablets working fine..

Since Google was quick to acknowledged both the GPS and multi-touch problem, I would not be so confident that 99% of new Nexus 7 tablets working fine.

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I've used Crapdroid long enough to know that it's a complete and outer POS. There is not a single meaningful feature in that system that would put it ahead of iOS. NOT ONE!

most consumers tend to be loyal and opinionated bunch based on experience. They stick to brands that are reliable and give them a pleasant experience.  Just as equality, consumers tend to mentally black list products and brands based on poor experiences and not give them a second chance; let alone a third, forth or fifth chance.  This is why it is so important to not release products before they are ready.   Most of the time you only get one shot at it with consumers.

 

I think most reasonable consumer can relate this to the saying "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me". Right?

 

or my personal favorite words of wisdom from an elder:

 

"Son, while you are best advised to save your money where you can, don't go cheap on buying shoes that you intend to wear every day. You will either be in constant pain, or they will just end up in the back of the closet taking up valuable space"


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I've used Crapdroid long enough to know that it's a complete and outer POS. There is not a single meaningful feature in that system that would put it ahead of iOS. NOT ONE!

Ok, I'll list a few features Android has that iOS doesn't (without jailbreak/root):

  • One can add widgets to the homescreen and lockscreen. A popular type is a weather widget.
  • One can download apps not on the play store
  • One can view the file system of their device
  • One can download a launcher that allows them to customize animations, app icons, and app names on the homescreen
  • One can see what apps are draining the battery and using up RAM
  • The ability to set default apps. I see a lot of iOS users using chrome, but when you click on a link in another app, it opens in Safari. 

 

I think iOS's only big feature over Android is it's much larger selection of apps.

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Since Google was quick to acknowledged both the GPS and multi-touch problem, I would not be so confident that 99% of new Nexus 7 tablets working fine.

My new N7 has no problems.

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My new N7 has no problems.

good for you.  If most were like your, it would stand to reason there would be no need for Google to acknowledge the GPS and multitouch problems so quickly after release and not something that can be likely fixed in SW since you say you don't see the issues.

 

Right?  So do you think what Google has already publicly acknowledged is a reproducible HW problem, SW problem, poor quality control problem or simply a non-existant problem?   


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My new N7 has no problems.

my brother-in-law's Ford Aerostar did not have any problems when it was "new" either. This didn't prevent it from being a lemon.  If he would have recommended it to all his friends when it was "new", then it would stand to reason that he would have lost a lot of respect and credibility.  Fact of the mater is he never bought another Ford after that incidence and because he was not quick to pass judgement on a new product and go around recommending it, he did not look like a fool to all his friends.   Looking at the list 2012 N7 problem list, it would appear that model ended up being a lemon.  Even the 2013 N7 reviews refer back to the 2012 N7 quality issues. This leads me to believe it was significant.  If I bought a 2012 N7 and had some of those significant problems listed, I would avoid buying Google tablets like the plague. 

 

Please try to understand, that many people here have tried other products. They are not blind. Once you have had a bad experience, things get blacklisted. Once you have consistently had positive experiences, they tend of stay loyal to the brand.  When you appreciate one product, comparing it to other things make it pale in comparison. Its like have a Margarita from the place you think has the best.. Everything time you go try a Margarita at a different place, it pales in comparison. You are better off trying something completely different than trying to compare it something you already associate with perfection.

 

Trying to convince someone  they need widgets, battery and RAM hog meters, third party app store, animated lock screens, filesystem browser, for some who has never needed them before in an Apple environment in exchange for giving up something that they know they need everyday (like Airplay, already purchased iTunes content, etc.) and knowing they have something that just works reliability, is  just not a compelling argument.  They just look at you like you are from a different planet?  why do I need any of these things you list? and why would I give up something that I like and already use without problems everyday? It sounds like reckless move.

 

Does this make sense to you and why you are wasting your time trying to promote Android products to a loyal Apple community? People just don't just wake up one day and become loyal to Apple. It is earned through experiences and sets their tastes, needs and expectations.


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Ok, I'll list a few features Android has that iOS doesn't (without jailbreak/root):
  • One can add widgets to the homescreen and lockscreen. A popular type is a weather widget.
  • One can download apps not on the play store
  • One can view the file system of their device
  • One can download a launcher that allows them to customize animations, app icons, and app names on the homescreen
  • One can see what apps are draining the battery and using up RAM
  • The ability to set default apps. I see a lot of iOS users using chrome, but when you click on a link in another app, it opens in Safari. 

I think iOS's only big feature over Android is it's much larger selection of apps.

1. Maybe, but at what cost to battery/performance?
2. That includes downloading pirated apps and malware? No thanks.
3. The general public doesn't care
4. See above
5. No need for this on iOS. The OS controls that and adjust memory as necessary.
6. Interesting but most keep the default. Don't want to add confusion in case some accidentally changed the default and then removed the app.
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...Amiga Syndrome: cheap hardware with notable features but a dearth of quality apps. You could also call it an Atari ST

hahahahahhahahahahahahaha... hahahahah !!! I did not read more stupid "fact" for long time... 1smile.gif


* Atari ST and Amiga had first class applications long before Windows/DOS! *


1. Steinberg Cubase
2. Apple Logic
3. Cinema 4D
4. LightWave
5. 3D Studio Max
6. PageStream
...

these are some of professional applications that starts it's life on Atari ST or Amiga and they usually was Atari or Amiga exclusives for many years! (practically until Microsoft made "usable" Windows: Windows 3.x / 95)


and you also had ports of DOS applications like WordPerfect for Atari or Amiga
...but nobody use these *garbage* on Atari or Amiga because there was MUCH MUCH better alternatives!
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