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1. Maybe, but at what cost to battery/performance?
2. That includes downloading pirated apps and malware? No thanks.
3. The general public doesn't care
4. See above
5. No need for this on iOS. The OS controls that and adjust memory as necessary.
6. Interesting but most keep the default. Don't want to add confusion in case some accidentally changed the default and then removed the app.

sometimes I think people confuse capability with simplicity.  They need not be at different ends of the spectrum.  Ironically, it's lack of forethought which often leave things complex to the end user. Many times to the point of requiring additional end user management to customize or correct issues which if design properly should not be of any concern to the end user. In contrast, it's complex to refine things down to something genuinely simple and equality as capable to the end user. I think that many power-users fear that if something designed to be simple to the end user, that it prevents them taking advantage of some kind of missing "necessary" capability. However, for more experienced and seasoned developers, this is simply not the case.  They can appreciate the effort involved into boiling things down into things that really matter and to cut down through the noise. They can also differentiate between the power of well thought out simplistic interface vs gimmicky unnecessary controls presented as utility to the end user. To the power user, many act like they and all consumers "need" a command line interface on a tablet. To the experience developer,  they know what is often required to sell their product over the competitions', is to write millions lines of code to minimize and delight the user with a truly capable and simplistic product interface.

 

At the end of the day, when a seasoned developer sits down with tablet for enjoyment, they would much rather deal with something simple than be presented with a command line and a bunch of controls they really don't want to deal with. Its bad enough that you have to deal with this complexity during the work day. Its refreshing to use something simple, capable, polished and "complete" for change.


Edited by snova - 8/15/13 at 2:43pm
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post #162 of 181
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2. That includes downloading pirated apps and malware? No thanks.

No it doesn't include that. Some apps lose some useful functions when updated or don't work as they did before and one can find the previous version to reinstall.
post #163 of 181
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 I also recall you state you own a Samsung Note as well.  Its very interesting to me that you have owned so many different tablets from different manufacturer's.

 

I spend a lot of time researching a product before I buy it.  I stick to a brand if I am happy with the purchase over time and it proves reliable and well supported. I switch brands if I was not satisfied with the purchase for various reasons and I tend to black list a brand if I have issues.  Its a lot like buying cars for me.   If I had a good experience, I'll stick with the brand and buy from them again. This is loyalty that is earned. If it was not so great, I'll buy from someone else next time and not recommend it to anyone that asks.

 

You state above that you have not had issues with any of the makes and models you list above. What has caused you to switch brands and models so much?  This buying behavior does not make sense to me.

The Note is really a phone and I had to give it up at as it was from work, we moved to Blackberry Z10's. I buy new gadgets more often then I buy bra's. I own a tablet for no more than 6 months, then sell it to purchase another. By doing this I can own 4 tablets for the price of one in a two year period. I don't really have any brand loyalty as I think most manufactures have good products, you just need to do the research before buying as you said. If one is bad it doesn't mean they are all bad, take Sony, the new Z tablet is actually pretty nice, it took a couple of tries but they've done it.

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post #164 of 181
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The Note is really a phone and I had to give it up at as it was from work, we moved to Blackberry Z10's. I buy new gadgets more often then I buy bra's. I own a tablet for no more than 6 months, then sell it to purchase another. By doing this I can own 4 tablets for the price of one in a two year period. I don't really have any brand loyalty as I think most manufactures have good products, you just need to do the research before buying as you said. If one is bad it doesn't mean they are all bad, take Sony, the new Z tablet is actually pretty nice, it took a couple of tries but they've done it.

since you brought up the fact the you buy tablets more often the bras, maybe its appropriate to bring up an American saying:

 

"I have underwear older than you!"

 

I guess this means, I like to keep my HW as long as possible. Or until it has more holes than what is acceptable. 


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post #165 of 181
I ordered one as a gift.

Indeed iPad has more and better apps but the cheapest mini has low resolution! I have the new iPad and enjoy the screen and honestly I don't use many of the apps. I know their value but many people will use it for reading mostly.

The new Nexus 7 should have very nice crisp text making reading eBooks and web enjoyable!

Can't beat the price and it's much better than Amazon's Fire.
post #166 of 181
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That's what happens when you make cheap for the sake of cheap. No surprise here at all. It seems Android owners are accustomed to this sort of behavior and almost expect it.

Give it a break, mate.

I got iPad Mini for my mother a few months back. This was her 2nd iPad, having already original iPad.

Visiting her, I have noticed that on occasion new Mini is losing wifi connection once or twice a day, and it has to be re-establish manually after that. It is serviceable solution (going into settings and tapping on wifi connection), but darn annoying. Her old iPad and even older HP laptop don't have these problems on same wireless router.

Google for "ipad mini wireless dropping" or anything similar and see for yourself what I am talking about.

I could understand all that gloating have Apple products really been spotless. But beside this Mini wifi issue, my 3Gs has piss-poor reception, compared to much cheaper smart and feature phones. iP4 had questionable antenna design. One of iPads - was it 3, first with Retina? - was keen on overheating, much as I recall. And iMacs and MBs had their fair run of problems with screen discolouration and flickering, melting graphics, superdrives, HDD shock sensors. Such problems are nature of technology, especially early batches.
post #167 of 181
That one may be having issues, but neither of mine ever have problems with wifi, though both of mine are cellular models. Try forgetting the network and try again.

As for the iPad 3, there was never an "overheating problem" with them. They simply run warmer than the gen 2. The temps were said to be similar to Android tablets of similar size, not blazing hot. Sounds to me like you're just making up stuff as you go.

So, after that, give ME a break, "mate"...
post #168 of 181
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To all those apple fans:

You are not giving android a chance. I recently purchased the new Nexus 7 and I LOVE IT. Before I used apple products myself. I wanted a 7 inch tablet, but the iPad Mini is WAY overpriced. I payed $270 for my 32gb Nexus 7, or I could have payed $430 for the iPad Mini. I made the switch for 3 reasons; the ridiculous price, I was getting tired of iOS, and android is a lot more open. iOS is so restrictive, it just felt the same old. With android, I can put customize the homescreen and lock screen, see what apps are running and kill them, and lot other stuff iOS can't do without jailbreaking. Some apple fans have reasons why iOS is better, but don't look at the pros of android. Y'all need to look at the pros and come of both operating systems, and stop giving android all this crap. I'm not saying android is better, I'm saying people don't consider it. Y'all need to consider both. 

Laughable at best. If you paid $270, you could have paid $329. You don't need 32 GB of storage, you just think it's better (SPECS!). The first thing you mention as a "Pro" for Android is customizing the..._insert useless UI customization_., and your argument falls apart entirely. That is for kids, or people that don't have much sense of style or quality (people that just want to dick around). I've seen what people consider "customized", the thing that was essential to their purchase, and they have a bunch of peekachoo variants as their icon set...yeah, I grew bored of that 15 years ago playing around on my Mac. Grow up already.

Just furthering the point that people who buy Android do for 2 very clear and identifiable reasons.

1. Price
2. They couldn't tell you the difference if you paid them to.
post #169 of 181
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To all those apple fans:

You are not giving android a chance. I recently purchased the new Nexus 7 and I LOVE IT. Before I used apple products myself. I wanted a 7 inch tablet, but the iPad Mini is WAY overpriced. I payed $270 for my 32gb Nexus 7, or I could have payed $430 for the iPad Mini. I made the switch for 3 reasons; the ridiculous price, I was getting tired of iOS, and android is a lot more open. iOS is so restrictive, it just felt the same old. With android, I can put customize the homescreen and lock screen, see what apps are running and kill them, and lot other stuff iOS can't do without jailbreaking. Some apple fans have reasons why iOS is better, but don't look at the pros of android. Y'all need to look at the pros and come of both operating systems, and stop giving android all this crap. I'm not saying android is better, I'm saying people don't consider it. Y'all need to consider both. 

Laughable at best. If you paid $270, you could have paid $329. You don't need 32 GB of storage, you just think it's better (SPECS!). The first thing you mention as a "Pro" for Android is customizing the..._insert useless UI customization_., and your argument falls apart entirely. That is for kids, or people that don't have much sense of style or quality (people that just want to dick around). I've seen what people consider "customized", the thing that was essential to their purchase, and they have a bunch of peekachoo variants as their icon set...yeah, I grew bored of that 15 years ago playing around on my Mac. Grow up already.

Just furthering the point that people who buy Android do for 2 very clear and identifiable reasons.

1. Price
2. They couldn't tell you the difference if you paid them to.

More storage is always better....what a laughable excuse for less storage - "you just think it's better (SPECS!)" !!! You're right, no one wants to customize things for their own tastes.../s  UI Customization isn't for kids or people who want to dick around! How ridiculous. Also, reason #2 is BS.

post #170 of 181
Well most of the problems you mentioned are from previous version of Nexus 7, Also there has been a lot of bug fixes and improvements in the present OS the new Nexus Runs..

Being an ipad user for over couple of years now, I had a lots of apps crash on me and which has real bad designs I hated to use regularly and not to mention itunes which is a complete pain in the neck for iOS owners, Remember the maps app from Apple? One of the worst maps you could land on initially.

No product is perfect, that includes ipads and ipad minis, Apple has its own list of mistakes, in the end its all comes down to user preference and the way they use it.

If ipad mini suits you the best then its just fine though.. But your post just shows your biased opinion on Android Products in favour of Apple.

I am not an Android user BTW, I use mac for work and ipad is something I use everyday and I love it, but your post is just being unfair and giving lot of weight on Apple product claiming it is the best out there, I wont agree that honestly.

Bye Bye..
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Originally Posted by Chakkravarthy View Post
Being an iPad user for over couple of years now, I had a lots of apps crash on me

 

Were they Apple apps? Because this is talking about Google apps here. So that means built-in stuff that comes with the OS. If you're comparing third party apps on the iPad, you're not doing a proper comparison.


…iTunes which is a complete pain in the neck for iOS owners

 

Utter nonsense.


Remember the maps app from Apple? One of the worst maps you could land on initially.

 

Er… Apple Maps (iOS 6) or Apple's Maps app with Google Maps as a backend (iPhone OS 1)? Because that's true for neither of them.


I use mac for work and iPad is something I use everyday and I love it, but

 

How many times, trolls; LEAD with this so we know to ignore your posts.

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Er… Apple Maps (iOS 6) or Apple's Maps app with Google Maps as a backend (iPhone OS 1)? Because that's true for neither of them.

So you are saying as long as its Apple its just fine to make mistakes, but if the some other company works towards to improve their new product and strives to give a better experience its not fine.. ? That's pure Nonsense.. 

 

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How many times, trolls; LEAD with this so we know to ignore your posts.

OH sorry let me post something that would please you so that you won't or anybody ignore my posts... LOL.. I wouldn't care any less 

 

Let me Put it more clearly...  

 

APPLE PRODUCTS ARE NOT PERFECT!! 

 

Okay now start ignoring,.. and go on with the BS* :p 

 

 

*BULLSHIT  ;) 


Edited by Chakkravarthy - 8/19/13 at 12:57am
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Originally Posted by Chakkravarthy View Post

So you are saying as long as its Apple its just fine to make mistakes, but if the some other company works towards to improve their new product and strives to give a better experience its not fine.. ? That's pure Nonsense..

 

No, I was asking a question that you can't seem to answer, is all. At least back up your statement with an example of why it's crap or don't expect your "opinion" to be taken seriously.


APPLE PRODUCTS ARE NOT PERFECT!!

 

Show where anyone claimed that or stop with the strawmen.


BS*

 

*BULLSHIT  ;) 

 

You want to get into a battle of ludicrously unnecessary acronyms, this won't end well for you.

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Let me start from the first 

 

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Were they Apple apps? Because this is talking about Google apps here. So that means built-in stuff that comes with the OS. If you're comparing third party apps on the iPad, you're not doing a proper comparison.

 

Maps app from Apple which was made by apple was buggy and you know how they it went on to create a bad impression on Apple right? if not I hope you see the world out of Apple insider with Biased posts like this.. 

 

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No, I was asking a question that you can't seem to answer, is all. At least back up your statement with an example of why it's crap or don't expect your "opinion" to be taken seriously.

I think I made it pretty clear with my previous answer.. 

 

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Utter nonsense.

Yup you are right, itunes is clearly... 1tongue.gif

 

 

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Show where anyone claimed that or stop with the strawmen.

 

May be read the article once again? That guy really seems to think that way.. Apple had many problems in its software and hardware as well and there are lots of articles similar to this one which complains on Apple products, I do not mean to condemn either, I do not use android, I use apple products myself, I am just not in favor of biased opinions which this article clearly is. Android over the past few years had made wonderful improvements and perfecting it in the recent days. 

 

 

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You want to get into a battle of ludicrously unnecessary acronyms, this won't end well for you.

 

I don't want to battle anyone but I did not liked the way you treated my opinion, you do not know how to respond to someone's opinion without pushing their emotional buttons? If I found your response to be made in the right respectful way It would be unnecessary for me to use those unnecessary acronyms which was made necessary by you. 

 

You get what you give to others.. This is what you gave me 

 

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How many times, trolls; LEAD with this so we know to ignore your posts.

and you expect me to be polite to you? You better learn how to respond to people..

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Originally Posted by Chakkravarthy View Post

Maps app from Apple which was made by apple

 

Still not clear. Maps as in APPLE MAPS, released with iOS 6, or Maps as in MAPS the application, in iPhone OS since the beginning?


was buggy

 

And again, whether you mean Apple Maps or Maps in general, you're wrong, insofar as you have stated the repercussions.


and you know how they it went on to create a bad impression on Apple right?

 

No, because we're a year out from even the last time that could have happened and no one gives a frick about the lies spewed by competitors anymore. In the meantime, Apple Maps has grown to surpass Google's mapping in quite a few ways.


I think I made it pretty clear with my previous answer.. 

 

No, you didn't answer in the first place. You said nothing. You said "it's buggy". You didn't explain how, why, or in what capacity.


Yup you are right, itunes is clearly... 1tongue.gif

 

No. See, again, you have to actually give an example for anyone to give a crap about what you're pretending to say. Otherwise why would we listen to you? Answer that question, please.


May be read the article once again? That guy really seems to think that way.

 

Please link directly to the sentence where this is said. Please link directly to any sentence where it is even implied.


I did not liked the way you treated my opinion

 

Be able to back it up (or even explain it in the first place) and you certainly won't be attacked. Explain why you get to say anything you want without providing proof, please.

post #176 of 181
Funny after a week of usage I've not had any of these issues. I've had problems with the music widgets, one crash and that's all.
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Like I said, the iPad mini lasted 10 hours with this "the worst possible battery life test" you mentioned. It's already "in regard" to Apple product. The test you linked who knows how long it will last? 20 hours maybe?

By the way, Walt Mossberg called the battery life of new Nexus 7 "LOUSY". I wonder what it means. Do you know?
Looks like Anandtech finally got around to some in-depth testing.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7231/the-nexus-7-2013-review

So what did extensive battery testing of the new Nexus 7 with a smaller battery 1bugeye.gif and much higher res display than last years model reveal?

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The new Nexus 7 moves to a slightly smaller battery compared to its predecessor (15Wh vs. 16Wh). The result however is anything but a reduction in battery life. ASUS and Google worked hard to reduce platform power consumption as much as possible. I instrumented both Nexus 7s and measured total platform power, excluding display, to look at the impact of the silicon platform (SoC, PMIC, DRAM, eMMC, WiFi, etc...). The results are beyond impressive.

Idle power is cut in half compared to last year's model. This is by far the most important improvement as most mobile usage models tend to have long periods of idle time. We'll see these power gains reflected in our web browsing test which does have significant periods of simulated reading time between web page loads. The power reduction while running Kraken grows to just over 20%, and even while running Geekbench 3 we see a 16% drop with the new Nexus 7. Only our offscreen 3D test manages to draw more power on the new Nexus 7 than the old one, and that isn't taking into account the nearly 5x increase in performance on the new Nexus. In fact, as impressive as these numbers are - they are even more impressive when you take into account performance. To make a long story short, don't worry about the ~7% decrease in battery capacity as there are enough improvements in platform power and performance (and thus perf per watt) to more than make up for the smaller battery."

Web browsing life : 12.2 hr, about 25% better than iPad Mini (or iPad 4 for that matter)
Video playback: 11.5 hr, slightly better than iPad Mini
3D time. - just 4.0, far short of the Mini's 6+.
Full recharge in 3.5 hours.

So hardly the miserable battery performance that many here wanted to claim as fact and serving as evidence that a retina-quality display doesn't mean battery times have to suffer.
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the correct way to measure is to actually measure the light - candlepower? - emitted by the screens and then set both tablets to the same level before running the battery test. a few tech sites do this, but i don't have a link.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7231/the-nexus-7-2013-review/2
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post #179 of 181
It's a little fuzzy, but did they run the tests with the screen on? I see mentions of "off screen" testing and "excluding display".
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It's a little fuzzy, but did they run the tests with the screen on? I see mentions of "off screen" testing and "excluding display".

 

 

Yes. From the review (http://www.anandtech.com/show/7231/the-nexus-7-2013-review/2):

 

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We'll start out with our WiFi web browsing test. Like all of our battery life benchmarks we run this test with all devices calibrated to 200 nits and connected to 5GHz 802.11 WiFi (if supported). The test itself cycles through a bunch of desktop websites at a very aggressive frequency. 
 
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Our video playback test involves looping the playback of a 4Mbps 720p High Profile H.264 transcode of the last Harry Potter Blu-ray. All displays are calibrated to 200 nits.
 
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post #181 of 181
It is not uncommon that bugs come out with mass use. Even with Apple products. It should not take away from the fact it is a great product and it blows by the mini. This is from most all reviewers. And dont give me grief about being an Android fan. I have a IPad 4 and the 7. The 7 is without a doubt the best tablet I have used. I am sure this won't be popular on a Pro Apple site but from my perspective it is the truth.
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