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Lol....
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Retina mini after full size, so the mini doesn't canabalizes new iPad 5 again...for awhile
So you think Apple would rather people buy a Nexus 7 than the mini possibly cannibalize the full size iPad? At least in the latter scenario people are still buying an Apple device.
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I bought the 2012 N7, it was ok for a few months, it got slower and slower, and became unuseable with 4.2.2, flashed 4.2.3 and it became worse, it got slower, and the screen began to display the issues described in the new N7.

 

You want a real shocker, look at the average used price of the damn thing,

 

I purchased an iPad Mini and the N7 sits, covered in dust. 

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Retina mini will eat out the share of iPad.  
They better bring in iPad a yet higher resolution display and retina to mini. 1smoking.gif
If Apple purposely leaves retina off the mini this year just to protect the full size iPad they're nuts. Size matters. People that want a smaller sized tablet will either keep the current mini (if they own one) or go elsewhere. Plus when has Apple ever been afraid of cannibalization? Hello iPod mini, hello iPod nano, hello selling previous years iPhones at cheaper prices. I'm sure Apple would rather someone buy a retina mini than a nexus 7 or Kindle fire.
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But mostly because the Verge's scoring system is to rate the tablets, then add 4 to the score if it's an Android tablet and subtract 1 if it's an iOS tablet. The Verge has NEVER been a reasonable source for unbiased reviews.
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Totally agree.

 

The Verge, and Topolosky in particular is much more concerned with their media image and with playing ball with their advertisers and promoters than they are in giving an honest review.  With them it's all about appearing to be the coolest website and going on late night talk shows.  That's why their writers are so superficial and also why their forums and the comments on their articles are such a mess.  Thousands of angry teenagers vying for their moment of "fame" on the "cool" site.  Barf. 

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Totally agree.

The Verge, and Topolosky in particular is much more concerned with their media image and with playing ball with their advertisers and promoters than they are in giving an honest review.  With them it's all about appearing to be the coolest website and going on late night talk shows.  That's why their writers are so superficial and also why their forums and the comments on their articles are such a mess.  Thousands of angry teenagers vying for their moment of "fame" on the "cool" site.  Barf. 
This is the same guy who out up a post calling iOS 7 "simply confusing" like 15 minutes after WWDC keynote finished. And the same site that put up a post calling out Apple's use of the word "no's" (should have been noes) in the WWDC intro video. The Verge is so far up Google's ass it isn't even funny. They hate Apple because Apple refuses to give them the time of day and stroke their egos. The only reason Apple products get good reviews is because the products are that good and basically speak for themselves.
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Typical offering from Google, HP, Dell, MS, & Samsung, cheap, mediocre HW and SW providing a subpar user experience. Don't these people have any pride?

 

I refuse to support any of these companies by purchasing sub-standard crap products. I'd rather do without than have anything from them.

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Yet did those issues prevent Apple products from getting "stellar reviews"? The article claims that the nexus 7 is getting favorable treatment in the press despite users reporting various problems. Aren't apple products received similarly by the public?

Will people think the new MBA is junk a year from now because of those issue like what happened to the original N7? As for battery-issue for iPhone 4, my wife hasn't had one so can't comment on that. She's still using hers nowadays and enjoying it so clearly it's no junk like reviewers think of the original N7 a year after.
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"Amiga Syndrome" hehe. 1smile.gif

 

That made my morning.  The hardware story doesn't exactly fit, but the Amiga users were the exact same kind of rabid pompus weenies that today, drones on and on about Android.  I think Amiga users must have been the very first group that the term "fanboy" could rightly be applied to.  

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"Amiga Syndrome" hehe. 1smile.gif

 

That made my morning.  The hardware story doesn't exactly fit, but the Amiga users were the exact same kind of rabid pompus weenies that today, drones on and on about Android.  I think Amiga users must have been the very first group that the term "fanboy" could rightly be applied to.  

 

 

 

 

The difference being that, unlike the crapdroid, the Amiga was actually THAT GOOD! So please count me in with those rabid pompous weenies... though bear in mind that most of the Amiga fans later became Apple fans...
 

Amiga 500 introduction in 1986: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_tGQHpfNvY


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The retina Mini better get a 10/10 at all of these review houses then. If not then everyone will know how full of it these shills are.

 

You know it won't though.  1frown.gif

 

Even outside of the Verge's failings, most professional reviewers never give a 10/10 because they feel it makes them look like they aren't being critical.  They treat the extra point at the end as a sort of bonus point. It's pretty rare to see any product review get less than 6/10 regardless, so that would mean either that there are no really bad products out there, or the whole system is kind of skewed anyway. 

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This article is sooooo Bias. Why another company can't have a better product than Apple? I doubt all these problems exists in first place. It is really sad to read this article. Does Apple pay you guys? OK we get it Apple is the best nothing is better than Apple. We wont buy the Nexus 7 only iPads got the message.

Well you clearly didn't even read the whole article. Maybe you're bias to not-reading and just throwing-up your opinions.

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You know it won't though.  1frown.gif

Even outside of the Verge's failings, most professional reviewers never give a 10/10 because they feel it makes them look like they aren't being critical.  They treat the extra point at the end as a sort of bonus point. It's pretty rare to see any product review get less than 6/10 regardless, so that would mean either that there are no really bad products out there, or the whole system is kind of skewed anyway. 
The Verge gave the Chromebook Pixel a higher score than the Surface Pro. Nuff said.
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Retina mini will eat out the share of iPad.  

They better bring in iPad a yet higher resolution display and retina to mini. 1smoking.gif

 

This is just a stupid thing to say.  The iPad mini is already cannibalising the regular iPad share.  

 

Apple doesn't break out the numbers but by most accounts, the mini is already more popular than the full sized iPad, but we don't even have to know those numbers to make the statement.  It's plainly obvious that the mini isn't taking away customers from alternative Android products, because their share and sales numbers have remained fairly constant or have grown at the same rate as the overall market.  So right from the start, whatever portion of the public is buying the mini is going to be almost the exact same portion that would have otherwise bought a full-sized iPad.  

 

There might be a few people who would otherwise have been fooled into going for the Nexus or some other POS, but mostly the mini is an alternative product to the full-sized iPad and thus cannibalises the full sized iPad. 

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The Verge gave the Chromebook Pixel a higher score than the Surface Pro. Nuff said.

Mircosoft's Surface is the subject of a class action lawsuit claiming Microsoft lies. Not proof of course that they did.

Anyway, I wouldn't for a moment disagree that the iPad Mini is a better overall device than the Nexus 7. With that said the Nexus, even the old one, is certainly fit for purpose if all you want a tablet for is checking emails, browsing the web, general game play or a little light reading. I suspect that's all most users do with their tablets but it's just a guess.
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The consumers can be divided into two quantum states. The Android buyers are those not willing to pay a premium price for Apple products. ( The premium price is whatever price Apple charges.) Since they know they are buying a cheap product they will not complain short comings as long as the device suit whatever needs they wanted. The media know these quantum states. Therefore they always praise a new Android product or Windows version as more reliable, more smoother, faster. The Apple products users are completely different. Some users will stick with iPhone 4 or iOS 5 without upgrading because Apple products are always good in the first generation. Switching between iOS and Android requires quantum transition. I don't think Apple should try it.
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Mircosoft's Surface is the subject of a class action lawsuit claiming Microsoft lies. Not proof of course that they did.
I know the Surface RT is a turd but I thought the Pro was actually a decent device.
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Edit: slightly off topic ref to MS product
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This is just a stupid thing to say.  The iPad mini is already cannibalising the regular iPad share.

 

Apple doesn't break out the numbers but by most accounts, the mini is already more popular than the full sized iPad, but we don't even have to know those numbers to make the statement.  It's plainly obvious that the mini isn't taking away customers from alternative Android products, because their share and sales numbers have remained fairly constant or have grown at the same rate as the overall market.  So right from the start, whatever portion of the public is buying the mini is going to be almost the exact same portion that would have otherwise bought a full-sized iPad.  

 

There might be a few people who would otherwise have been fooled into going for the Nexus or some other POS, but mostly the mini is an alternative product to the full-sized iPad and thus cannibalises the full sized iPad. 

 

How?  

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This may come across as being a complete A-Hole... but I've decided to do something rather naughty of late: I'm pushing cheap Android crap like the Nexus 7.

IMPORTANT!: when people are asking my advice, I always recommend an Apple first if they don't want to see my ugly mug again for awhile. And I mean push it hard!

However, the trend here in Germany is that anyone carrying Apple stuff is a "penny foolish fanboy". The "fanboy" part I thoroughly admit to. Penny-Foolish I am not(!)

So... I let them know that it "very well could be" that they need to have me take a look at their "far less expensive but capable (crap)" more often. My minimum visit fee is €20, with the average of a clean wipe and reinstall about €95,00. BTW: these people are immune to that old price trick, since for example, 99.99 is no where CLOSE to 100.00. Anyway, wipe and reinstall is the "preferred and recommended" advise straight from Google's forums. Quite similar I might add to Microsoft's over the years. Why would silly Moi second guess Google???

Long story short: I get paid close to €200.00/year from people on Android devices. I make squat on iOS devices (set it and forget it).

So truthfully, I really should be a Google fan for them skimping and pimping their devices at cost and allowing me to make some "play dough" for my Apple addiction.

As always... telling the truth... and just sayin'...1smoking.gif

 

So you're saying the trend in Germany is: "People clueless about electronics, don't know their *** from a hole in the ground...tell them to buy whatever is cheapest."

 

Got it.

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How?  

You can't be serious.

 

Because you'd have to be a complete derp to not understand how the iPad mini canibalizes iPad sales.

 

1. Previously the only way to get an iPad of any kind, was to get an iPad.

2. Apple introduces iPad mini...which is every bit an iPad....but cheaper (not to mention pretty damn slick looking)

3. Would-be iPad buyers get an iPad mini instead of an iPad.

 

Done.

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If the iPad mini 2 has a Retina screen and 10 hours battery life and it's not The Verge's first 10/10 product something is amiss.
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Yet did those issues prevent Apple products from getting "stellar reviews"? The article claims that the nexus 7 is getting favorable treatment in the press despite users reporting various problems. Aren't apple products received similarly by the public?

Bing antenna-gate and consumer reports.
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I gotta say I fell for the hype.  

 

I bought the Nexus7 based on the specs, that it ran the very latest version of Android, that Android is "open" and the cheap $229 price.  That said the experience wasn't exactly what I thought it would be.  The biggest concern being the Google Play app store.  While the most popular apps (Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, etc) were available.. many of the 2nd and 3rd tier apps I'd gotten used to on the iPhone & iPad, simply weren't available for Android tablets.  Which meant for tasks like checking XBL I went back to using my iPhone.

 

I didn't have any issues with GPS, and found Google navigation to work wonderfully.  But did immediately notice the jittery scrolling and buggy multitouch.  There is a buttery smoothness to navigating ALL Apple devices, and it just isn't there with Android.  It doesnt matter how much processor power & ram they pump into.. the OS simply is not as refined.  Windows has the same problem.  Its something you really do not notice until you go from using an Apple product to an Android/Windows product.  A good example would be the trackpad on laptops.  Once you use one on a Macbook running OSX.. using anything else (including the same Macbook running Windows) makes the trackpad seem like its fighting you to move around.  Like there is too much friction.

 

The exact same friction thing happened with the Nexus7, almost as if theres an initial millisecond delay before the device recognizes your movement.  One of my friends best explained as "dead zone".  Apple products have zero dead zone.  They recognize the smallest of movements and can be navigated with exact inputs.  Android/Windows seems to have a few milliseconds of deadzone before the recognize the same small incremental movements.

 

Anyways.. with the AllThingsD announcement of a Sept 10th Apple "event" I went ahead and returned my $229 Nexus7 no questions asked to BestBuy.  I'd much rather pay a $100 more for the upcoming iPad Mini which should have a retina display and beefed up internals.  If the outgoing iPad Mini was essentially a minimized iPad2, then I'm expecting the upcoming iPad Mini to be essentially a minimized iPad3.. with the upgraded lightning connector.  Combine the screen/internal/connector upgrades, the abundant Apple App store and an ecosystem that I'm already heavily invested in.. and its well worth the $100 increase in my opinion.  I almost forgot about the ability to use Airplay to stream anything from the iPad Mini to any of my various AppleTVs.. and iOS7.  

 

Cant wait for 9/10!


Edited by Daekwan - 8/14/13 at 8:26am
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This article is sooooo Bias.

Bias much? ;-)
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Seems the new Nexus 7 got great reviews for mainly one reason: the retina like display.

That much is obvious. But a 9/10 on The Verge for a 2013 tablet computer that gets 6 hours battery life with Wifi On and not even gaming!!? The Verge should be ashamed of themselves. If Apple's mini 2 with Retina display got 6 hours battery life I'd personally consider it a dud.

Google testing battery life with Wifi Off and display brightness at 40% to push the battery to 9 hours? The whole thing is like watching The Truman Show.
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How is this article biased? All AI did was to present events as they happened. Did you even read it???

IMHO the Verge got paid by Google to write an overly positive review and then retracted it about a year later. This is common practice in the world of yellow press...

You know what's worse than getting paid to give a 2013 6 hour battery life tablet a 9/10 review on The Verge. Not being paid to do it. That's the saddest part if all this. They think battery life is just a bullet point. I would have given 6 battery life a 2/10; that would bring the average down. Because 6 hour battery life is a 2/10 for battery life in my book. If it got 8 hours I'd still be annoyed if I bought one. 6 is abysmal. It's dud territory. The iPad mini was getting 15+ hours in some reviews.
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2. Apple introduces iPad mini...which is every bit an iPad...

 

Except the usable screen size.

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That much is obvious. But a 9/10 on The Verge for a 2013 tablet computer that gets 6 hours battery life with Wifi On and not even gaming!!? The Verge should be ashamed of themselves. If Apple's mini 2 with Retina display got 6 hours battery life I'd personally consider it a dud.

Google testing battery life with Wifi Off and display brightness at 40% to push the battery to 9 hours? The whole thing is like watching The Truman Show.

There's not a lot of "real life" battery test results yet, not unusual since it's brand new. Adam Savage and partner have a pretty good one over on their site and it doesn't come up with that same 6 hr battery life conclusion you're posting.
http://www.tested.com/tech/457058-testing-new-nexus-7s-battery-life/
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Retina mini will eat out the share of iPad.  
They better bring in iPad a yet higher resolution display and retina to mini. 1smoking.gif

Apple will release a Retina mini and a smaller thinner iPad 5 in the same res as the iPad 4 and I'll choose the iPad 5 every time. I prefer a 10" tablet. Yes, the mini Retina will take sales away from the iPad 5, but that's Apple taking it away from themselves. That's the best way to do it.
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There's not a lot of "real life" battery test results yet, not unusual since it's brand new. Adam Savage and partner have a pretty good one over on their site and it doesn't come up with that same 6 hr battery life conclusion you're posting.
http://www.tested.com/tech/457058-testing-new-nexus-7s-battery-life/

Why bother? There is already 9 hours Google claimed. And like someone said there's even 100 hours battery life for Nexus 7 if you just stand-bying it.
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There's not a lot of "real life" battery test results yet, not unusual since it's brand new. Adam Savage and partner have a pretty good one over on their site and it doesn't come up with that same 6 hr battery life conclusion you're posting.
http://www.tested.com/tech/457058-testing-new-nexus-7s-battery-life/

 

They tested with Bluetooth and NFC turned off though, which besides being just weird, probably doesn't actually replicate normal use.  

 

I know some techie will argue back that a Google tablet user is "smart enough to know" to turn those things off when they are just watching a movie, and "empowered to do so" by the eminent configurability of the amazing Android OS, but the average user of a Nexus is just as likely to be a 60 year old man who knows nothing about technology.  

 

People don't generally futz around turning on and off the internal radios on their devices.  Bluetooth and NFC should certainly have been left on for the test. 

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Why bother? There is already 9 hours Google claimed. And like someone said there's even 100 hours battery life for Nexus 7 if you just stand-bying it.

True enough. Add to that the WSJ writer claiming only 6 real hours and no other tests should be done. Enough proof for anyone right there and anyone claiming more than 6 hours is probably not truthful.
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They tested with Bluetooth and NFC turned off though, which besides being just weird, probably doesn't actually replicate normal use.  

I know some techie will argue back that a Google tablet user is "smart enough to know" to turn those things off when they are just watching a movie, and "empowered to do so" by the eminent configurability of the amazing Android OS, but the average user of a Nexus is just as likely to be a 60 year old man who knows nothing about technology.  

People don't generally futz around turning on and off the internal radios on their devices.  Bluetooth and NFC should certainly have been left on for the test. 

Walt Mossberg called battery life of new Nexus 7 something I can't quite remember. Atrocious? Pathetic? Something along these lines. That say it all.

EDIT: "Lousy". Now I remember.
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They tested with Bluetooth and NFC turned off though, which besides being just weird, probably doesn't actually replicate normal use.  

 

 

I don't know how much Bluetooth would impact battery life, but since one of the knocks against NFC is that hardly anyone uses it, why would simulating normal use require NFC to be turned on?

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But mostly because the Verge's scoring system is to rate the tablets, then add 4 to the score if it's an Android tablet and subtract 1 if it's an iOS tablet. The Verge has NEVER been a reasonable source for unbiased reviews.
See?

I don't trust reviews. The reviewer rarely spends enough time with a device to make a bonafide review. It's usually no more than a expanded initial review.
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They tested with Bluetooth and NFC turned off though, which besides being just weird, probably doesn't actually replicate normal use.  

 Bluetooth and NFC should certainly have been left on for the test. 

Why complain? 1biggrin.gif At least WiFi was on.
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Why complain? 1biggrin.gif At least WiFi was on.

Sure. With dimmer brightness. Like I said, 100 hrs. If you just turn the damn thing off. Ha. Ha.
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"Amiga Syndrome" hehe. 1smile.gif

 

That made my morning.  The hardware story doesn't exactly fit, but the Amiga users were the exact same kind of rabid pompus weenies that today, drones on and on about Android.  I think Amiga users must have been the very first group that the term "fanboy" could rightly be applied to.  

 

The difference being that Android has been the underdog technologywise in both hardware and software the entire time (iOS and Apple being the leader). Amiga technology was so far ahead of it's time it was not even funny. At least 10 years. PC compatibles at the time I was buying my first Amiga had DOS, CGA-Graphics and sound that would make dogs cry. Apple had the GUI nailed down but was not even color and with only cooperative multitasking. Not to mention extremely expensive. Amiga tech had many times the multimedia capacity at a fifth of the price at the time. I was *definately* an Amiga fanboy (I still am and always will be) but being a "rabid pompus weenie" at the time was actually somewhat grounded in reality compare to todays Android fanboys. They only love the idea of getting *something* for *nothing* (or cheap). And that something does not even have to be that good. They can live with "good enough" as long as they have not payed what they consider to be "too much". A Steve Jobs quote on Microsoft seems appropriate here: "-They just have no taste".

 

I used my Amigas excusively for my personal computing needs until the Autumn of 1998 when I bought my first Windows PC. Only at that point (with NVIdia TnT2 Graphics, 16-bit Soundblaster Sound, Windows 95 and an (extremely overclockable) Celeron 300A) did I feel that the value-for-money equation tilted towards the Wintel World. My expanded 25MHz Amiga 3000 still chugs along pretty decently for being over 20 years old. Try running an old 25MHz PC-Compatible with whatever version of Windows that came at the time and you will probably think you are watching a slideshow.

 

It's an absolute tradegy for all of computing that the Amiga people never got the chance to continue developing what they had into something truly wonderful.

 

I feel sad every time I think about it.

 

PS. At the time when Apples top of the line model was the Quadra 840AV, the fastest Mac you could buy was an expanded Amiga 4000 with a MacOS Software emulator running on it. It even multitasked and you could run whatever Amiga software you wanted to run in the background. And of course, it was like half the price of the Qaudra at the time...

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You know what's worse than getting paid to give a 2013 6 hour battery life tablet a 9/10 review on The Verge. Not being paid to do it. That's the saddest part if all this.


Agreed!

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