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This article, like others, is so bias and lacks fair journalism. I own the new Nexus 7 and its fantastic. None of these issues have appeared. It out performs the mini and looks much better. Please try to be fair and not just report what makes Apple look good.
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Sure. With dimmer brightness. Like I said, 100 hrs. If you just turn the damn thing off. Ha. Ha.

Would 50% brightness be too low for typical "livingroom" use? What brightness level does your iPad Mini typically use indoors?
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This article is sooooo Bias. Why another company can't have a better product than Apple? I doubt all these problems exists in first place. It is really sad to read this article. Does Apple pay you guys? OK we get it Apple is the best nothing is better than Apple. We wont buy the Nexus 7 only iPads got the message.

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Would 50% brightness be too low for typical "livingroom" use? What brightness level does your iPad Mini typically use indoors?

Typical or not doesn't matter. WSJ used the "same" method, same brightness for iPad mini and got 10 hours battery life Apple claimed. The same method for new Nexus 7 only lasted a little more than 6 hours, 3 hours short of Google's boast. You can make the brightness brighter and turn WI-FI off or turn the damn thing off completely and boast 100 hours battery life, no one cares.

What did Walt Mossberg call battery life of new N7 again?
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Okay here follows what the tech industry is really like: In any culture, there is a certain tendency to try to perpetuate a myth. For example Doctors like to make themselves feel elevated from the rest of us by their use of jargon and bad handwriting and using words which normal people don't use. By speaking their own particular language it makes them feel important and at the same time it makes the public look up to them as "knowledgeable" Every group does this, Mathematicians do it, Physicists do it. Polticians do it. They each have a particular language designed to keep non members out. Computer nerds have their own language too and the more incomphrehensible the better to separate themselves from the 'ignorant' masses. Now back in the infancy of the computer revolution only very few people were into computers and nerds/geeks naturally were drawn to it. The whole point of bing in the nerd culture is to make computers and all the gadgets seem complicated and oh so cool and mysterious, thus boosting the egos of those at the center of it and perpetuate the myth surrounding the tech illuminati. Being able to spout term like mbps, RAM size, pixels per square inch and so on, is part of this game. The more the better! Along comes Apple who opened up the computer to the masses and broke the code. Apple is seen as a traitor by the tech illuminati because they broke the cardinal rule of "It's got to be complicated and mysterious" not simple and easy to use. The more bugs, dificulties , features a device has the more the user need the nerds to fix it and come up wth ingenious ways to solve all the problems. And it also provides them with a money to support their addiction for more and more gadgets. PC architecture, MSDOS and Windows are the pinacle of complicated, buggy unintuitive badly designed hardware and software. The tech nerds and geeks have been wetting themselves for the last 20 years over this Holy Grail and are now in shock at the slow but sure displacement of their Kingdom with something as simple and easy to use as an iPad/iPhone, WTF it doesn 't have a command prompt! "What is going on". Their attempt to regain the old world order is being heralded by Android. An attempt to return to the old world of DOS like stupidity where the hardware and software is all so fragmented and screwed up it causes all kinds of security, file corruption, incompatible version issues. A nerd's dream, after all, what is a nerd going to do with all the free time but stay up all weekend hacking into Android to find some ingenious way to get off. You know which group you belong to!
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You can't be serious.

 

Because you'd have to be a complete derp to not understand how the iPad mini canibalizes iPad sales.

 

1. Previously the only way to get an iPad of any kind, was to get an iPad.

2. Apple introduces iPad mini...which is every bit an iPad....but cheaper (not to mention pretty damn slick looking)

3. Would-be iPad buyers get an iPad mini instead of an iPad.

 

Done.

Oh yeah?

iPad mini helped the persons who really cant buy iPad, in first place.

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Typical or not doesn't matter. WSJ used the "same" method, same brightness for iPad mini and got 10 hours battery life Apple claimed. The same method for new Nexus 7 only lasted a little more than 6 hours, 3 hours short of Google's boast. You can make the brightness brighter and turn WI-FI off or turn the damn thing off completely and boasted 100 hours battery life, no one cares.

What did Walt Mossberg called battery life of new N7 again?

I wasn't aware Walt Mossberg did any battery tests on it. I did know he made an observation but no idea what he based it on. In any event grabbing the worst possible battery test result you can find and then running with it as tho it's a fact beyond dispute wouldn't be acceptable to you if it was in regard to an Apple product. Why would you endorse that now?
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I wasn't aware Walt Mossberg did any battery tests on it. I did know he made an observation but no idea what he based it on. In any event grabbing the worst possible battery test result you can find and then running with it as tho it's a fact beyond dispute wouldn't be acceptable to you if it was in regard to an Apple product. Why would you endorse that now?

Like I said, the iPad mini lasted 10 hours with this "the worst possible battery life test" you mentioned. It's already "in regard" to Apple product. The test you linked who knows how long it will last? 20 hours maybe?

By the way, Walt Mossberg called the battery life of new Nexus 7 "LOUSY". I wonder what it means. Do you know?
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yes, DED overlooked the mediocre battery life of the N7, which has to be second to none in importance in any rating - what does it matter how it scores on anything else when the battery is dead?

 

i checked the Verge review scoresheet that gave the N7 a 9.0 score. on their chart the 8 categories actually average to 8.5 (total 68 points). but! "More times than not, the Verge score is based on the average of the subscores below. However, since this is a non-weighted average, we reserve the right to tweak the overall score if we feel it doesn't reflect our overall assessment and price of the product."

 

there has been no score change made due to these new issues.

 

then i checked the Verge's iPad mini review. it also totaled 68, and they also bumped that up to 9.0. so far so good.

 

so let's compare each category score:

 

Design: mini gets 9 vs. N7 gets 8. this is basically the whole physical package. so a noticeably smaller screen in a plastic shell is marked down only 1 point? i give it a 7.

 

Display: mini gets a 7 while N7 gets a 10. so a retina display with flawed color accuracy get a huge 3 points more? i give it a 9.

 

Cameras: both get an 8. ok i guess.

 

Speakers: 9 for mini, 8 for N7. ok i guess.

 

Performance: mini gets an 8 while N7 gets 9! this is horseshit, where the known N7 problems should be marked down substantially - to a 7 at most.

 

Software: mini gets an 8, N7 gets an 9! this is more horseshit! this is about the OS + apps, and apps are an undeniable Android tablet weak spot. should be at least a 2 point differential, so it should be a 6.

 

Battery: mini gets a 9, N7 gets 8. but with about 1/3 shorter real battery life N7 should be a 6.

 

Ecosystem: mini gets a 10, N7 gets 8. ok.

 

so ... my N7 score totals 59, an average of 7.4. add that extra 0.5 point bump both got for being the latest thing, and you have a 7.9 score.

 

7.9 for N7 vs. 9.0 for today's mini - sounds about right.

 

and if all Apple does this Fall is add a color-accurate retina display and faster chip to the mini plus iOS7 that would add 3 points for display, and at least 1 point each for software and performance. bringing total points to 73. plus the bump that would score 9.6.

 

let's see if the Verge can figure that out.

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Typical or not doesn't matter.

Well of course it matters. Your were implying a" real world" test of the Nexus 7 battery life wouldn't be appropriate using 50% brightness. I think if you check your iPad Mini's display settings it might be around that same 50% indoors. It doesn't really matter if the Nexus 7 could beat the battery times of the much-lower-res iPad Mini. Common sense will tell you it wouldn't. But it does make quite a difference if the real-world battery tests show 8-9 hours, or a need to charge only every few days, compared to one previous newspaper reporter who claimed there was only about 6 hours.
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By the way, Walt Mossberg called the battery life of new Nexus 7 "LOUSY". I wonder what it means. Do you know?

I've no idea what usage led to the comment. Do you?
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Would 50% brightness be too low for typical "livingroom" use? What brightness level does your iPad Mini typically use indoors?

the correct way to measure is to actually measure the light - candlepower? - emitted by the screens and then set both tablets to the same level before running the battery test. a few tech sites do this, but i don't have a link.

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Well of course it matters. Your were implying a" real world" test of the Nexus 7 battery life wouldn't be appropriate using 50% brightness. I think if you check your iPad Mini's display settings it might be around that same 50% indoors. It doesn't really matter if the Nexus 7 could beat the battery times of the much-lower-res iPad Mini. Common sense will tell you it wouldn't. But it does make quite a difference if the real-world battery tests show 8-9 hours, or a need to charge only every few days, compared to one previous newspaper reporter who claimed there was only about 6 hours.

This is too easy. I just copy and paste again.
WSJ used the "same" method, same brightness for iPad mini and got 10 hours battery life Apple claimed. The same method for new Nexus 7 only lasted a little more than 6 hours, 3 hours short of Google's boast. You can make the brightness brighter and turn WI-FI off or turn the damn thing off completely and boast 100 hours battery life, no one cares.
The test you linked who knows how long iPad mini will last? 20 hours maybe?

What did Walt Mossberg call battery life of new N7? LOUSY battery life. Do you know what it means?
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I've no idea what usage led to the comment. Do you?

LOL. What does LOUSY battery life mean? Ha. Ha.
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This is too easy. I just copy and paste again. Typical or not doesn't matter. WSJ used the "same" method, same brightness for iPad mini and got 10 hours battery life Apple claimed. The same method for new Nexus 7 only lasted a little more than 6 hours, 3 hours short of Google's boast. You can make the brightness brighter and turn WI-FI off or turn the damn thing off completely and boast 100 hours battery life, no one cares.

What did Walt Mossberg call battery life of new N7? LOUSY battery life. Do you know what it means?

Is 8 or 9 hours of real use, or needing to recharge every two or three days unacceptably poor? Is 50% brightness indoors unacceptable dim? I'd like to think you'd offer an honest opinion for either of those questions. It matters not for the moment if we're talking about an Apple product or a Nexus or any old tablet for that matter. Would either of those things make a device unacceptable to you and why?
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Is 8 or 9 hours of real use, or needing to recharge every couple of days unacceptably poor? Is 50% brightness indoors unacceptable dim? I'd like you think you'd offer an honest opinion for either of those questions. It matters not for the moment if we're talking about an Apple product or a Nexus or any old tablet for that matter. Would either of those things make a device unacceptable to you and why?

If 50% get iPad mini 20 hours, then I have no wonder why Walt Mossberg called Nexus 7 battery life lousy. Ha. Ha.
Edited by matrix07 - 8/14/13 at 10:13am
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the correct way to measure is to actually measure the light - candlepower? - emitted by the screens and then set both tablets to the same level before running the battery test. a few tech sites do this, but i don't have a link.

ArsTechnica would be one of those test sites.
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post #98 of 181
I agree this is a very biased article. I happen to have 2 iPad (2nd and 4th gen) and a Nexus 7 2nd generation. I like the form factor and the beautiful screen on the Nexus, just as much as I like the screen on my 4th gen iPad. I agree with this article's lack of maturity on many of the Android apps, but I have not experienced any of the issues mentioned here. The lack of maturity (junk apps) is present on many of the IOS apps as well... one just needs to choose wisely.

I would've purchased an iPad Mini if it had decent screen, but that was not the case. So, it's not surprising that I find myself using the Nexus tablet more and more... the form factor just lends itself better... easier to carry, hold, etc.

As the hardware from these other vendors gets more mature and capable, Android is getting better too. I'm glad that Apple is seeing this as shot across its bow and is doing something about it. Competition is healthy and the consumer is ultimately the winner.

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Yet did those issues prevent Apple products from getting "stellar reviews"? The article claims that the nexus 7 is getting favorable treatment in the press despite users reporting various problems. Aren't apple products received similarly by the public?

The difference is that the complaints about Apple's product problems either turned out to be false, extremely rare, or were fixed almost right away - and had no impact on long term use.

The problems with the Nexus tablets were widespread and made the tablets almost unusable in many cases.
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You can be sure DED is paid by Apple. As for the majority of people on this site, yes, since they are Apple shareholders they ARE paid by Apple.

1. Please provide the evidence that ANYONE here is paid by Apple.

2. If you look at the advertising, AI appears to get a lot more revenue from Google than from Apple, so by your logic, Google products must be even worse than DED says.
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Walt Mossberg called battery life of new Nexus 7 something I can't quite remember. Atrocious? Pathetic? Something along these lines. That say it all.

EDIT: "Lousy". Now I remember.

Finally, Walty-boy gets something right... Just like consumer reports which for so long have been recommending crap tech products...e.g., phones, MS/PC's etc., ugh!
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"I cannot pick up my Nexus 7 without experiencing problems like a lag of ten seconds, or more, just to rotate the display,"

 

I can't see what the problem is, what's wrong with rotating the display then doing something in the meantime, like make a sandwich or finding your car keys, then the display will be nice and rotated when you return.

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Edited by Paul94544 - Today at 9:36 am

How about editing in a few paragraphs.

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Really, DED, you need to get Neil Hughes to write your headlines. How about: "Google's new Nexus 7 gets rave reviews as iPad mini sales ease" thereby implying (without having to prove) causation? These are the headlines that guarantee 300+ forum posts! C'mon DED! Milk it!

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"Amiga Syndrome" hehe. 1smile.gif

That made my morning.  The hardware story doesn't exactly fit, but the Amiga users were the exact same kind of rabid pompus weenies that today, drones on and on about Android.  I think Amiga users must have been the very first group that the term "fanboy" could rightly be applied to.  

I would just like to say that my Amiga 3000 was a vertically integrated product that cost more, not less, than its contemporary competition. It had an auto configuring expansion bus so users didn't need to be hardware experts, and unlike Windows at the time, all operations could be completed using the GUI, and it was very efficient with memory.

Does any of this sound familiar?

As another poster pointed out, it actually was superior at the time; but, I think the original point is valid. I would have killed to run a mainstream word processor on it.

I think this is why it was evangelized so strongly - it was certainly deserving, but we were always trying to reach a critical mass so we could get the mainstream software.

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A Fandroid would probably boast about a girlfriend that has size D boobs, while neglecting to mention that she also has the face of a pig and the butt of a cow.
 

 

 

Fandroids have gf's [?!], I thought that's what their tablets were for.

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Fandroids have gf's [?!],

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Fandroids have gf's [?!], I thought that's what their tablets were for.

 

They use the tablets to smack them with...

 

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"somehow Google still can't figure out how scrolling animations work"

 

Because Google doesn't care how scrolling animations work.

They only care how advertising animations work.  

96% of Google's revenue comes from ads.

 

 

Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Joshua Topolsky, wrote, "Google's Nexus 7 isn't just an excellent tablet for $200. It's an excellent tablet, period."

 

Topolsky knows who his audience is.  He's deathly afraid of alienating any of the Verge's bread-and-butter fanboy factions.

He annoyed the Windows fanboy faction by saying this:

 

"Windows 7 is like poison to me, seriously... 

what's so great about Windows, come on, 

tell me one thing it does better than Mac OS X."

- Joshua Topolsky, 2011

 
So The Verge immediately did an Ultrabook comparison to soothe the Microsoft fanboy faction.  They trotted out poor old
Joanna Stern, who did a glowing review of several Ultrabooks running Windows.  Poor girl.
 
So no, Topolsky won't slam any Google Nexus because it would hurt the feelings of the Google fanboy faction.
And they wouldn't tune in as much.  And when you're a media hog like Topolsky, every viewer is important.

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post #109 of 181
Can someone define cheap hardware? And price doesn't count. I stopped reading the article after DeD said the hardware is cheap, but I'm curious what the "standard" is for hardware quality.

Who makes the highest quality GPS?
Who makes the highest quality CPUs?
GPUs
Accelerometer
Gyroscope
Display
Battery
Molding
Etc

Until DeD can back up his cheap hardware claim, then he is simply spreading FUD
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But mostly because the Verge's scoring system is to rate the tablets, then add 4 to the score if it's an Android tablet and subtract 1 if it's an iOS tablet. The Verge has NEVER been a reasonable source for unbiased reviews.
See?
Just wondering do you know how they bias Microsoft.

I want to wonder how they make money on $40 tablets plus how you see a 4.3 inch screen running a tablet software on non retina

Well the score was *2 from what it should
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Can someone define cheap hardware? And price doesn't count. I stopped reading the article after DeD said the hardware is cheap, but I'm curious what the "standard" is for hardware quality.

A device that doesn't fall apart after 3 months of light usage.
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This article is sooooo Bias. Why another company can't have a better product than Apple? I doubt all these problems exists in first place. It is really sad to read this article. Does Apple pay you guys? OK we get it Apple is the best nothing is better than Apple. We wont buy the Nexus 7 only iPads got the message.

1. Bias? You say it like having an opinion is a bad thing.
2. Anyone can make a product that's "better" than Apple. But this isn't that product.
3. You "doubt" these problems exist? Don't you mean "deny"?
4. Don't be sad. Be sad for important things, like why people starve in first world economies.
5. You really think Apple has to pay people to engage social media and forums with praise? Let me put it this way: when Oprah tweeted how the Surface RT was her new favorite tablet, she sent the tweet from her iPad.

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This site is featuring more and more sour-grapes opinion pieces, and it is truly pathetic.
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so let's compare each category score:

 

Design: mini gets 9 vs. N7 gets 8. this is basically the whole physical package. so a noticeably smaller screen in a plastic shell is marked down only 1 point? i give it a 7.

 

Display: mini gets a 7 while N7 gets a 10. so a retina display with flawed color accuracy get a huge 3 points more? i give it a 9.

 

[...]

 

Software: mini gets an 8, N7 gets an 9! this is more horseshit! this is about the OS + apps, and apps are an undeniable Android tablet weak spot. should be at least a 2 point differential, so it should be a 6.

 

Battery: mini gets a 9, N7 gets 8. but with about 1/3 shorter real battery life N7 should be a 6.

 

Ecosystem: mini gets a 10, N7 gets 8. ok.

 

 

Design: If a larger display was worth design points, should 4.7 inch displays earn android devices extra points compared to the iphone5?

 

Display: I'm no display expert, but in Anandtech's quantitative review of the nexus 7's display, they don't seem to have problems with color accuracy (http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review/2)

 

Lastly, does "Software" include apps or just the OS? If that category includes third-party apps, then what does "Ecosystem" measure? The ipad certainly has better third-party apps, but Android these days is in some respects more advanced than iOS. Features like intents for inter-app communication (sort of like iOS URL schemes but much more general) and multiple user profiles put android closer in functionality to OS X than iOS. 

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I really like the new Nexus 7, a lot. I got one last week from an online dealer as I'm still not able to really get out of bed yet. I have experienced zero lag with any of the apps I've installed. In fact I am finally impressed with Androids speed. Every Android device that I have ever owned was plagued wityh lag, not this one. The screen utterly destroys the iPad Mini's screen, I think it's even brighter than my iPad 4. Anyone looking for a low cost 7 inch tablet should really give the Nexus 7 a look at. Yes, I'm saying this in a Apple forum but guys it's pretty nice, no B.S.. It's thin, light, great battery, screen is the best I have seen yet on a 7" tablet, fast, very fast, lots of memory and despite what people say here about the lack of apps, well I have every app that is on my iPad except for the music creation ones and they look and run fantastically.
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This site is featuring more and more truth about competitors that everyone else is paid off to ignore.

 

Fixed that for you.

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The tech media is a steaming pile of geek turds generated mostly by drama seeking man-children.

 

Pretty much end of story right there.

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A device that doesn't fall apart after 3 months of light usage.

 

Thanks that is why I drive a BMW, 207K after 14 years and still goes like new. I very much doubt he Ford Focus will even be running at 100K
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I'll never ever buy anything from Evil Larry Page. Not for 1$, nor if i receive 1000$ with it.

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