Originally Posted by Trajan Long Your needs are understandable but they are not something a large company like Apple can dwell on. They need to offer machines that can be mass produced and sell well. Like it or not the 17" market is dying even in the Windows world, I've seen a number of people give the machines up as being too big to be practical. The format is likely to become a vehicle for niche players.
You obviously are not a PRO user. Its more than "niche". Its a very important segment of the computer business that drives innovation. The writing is on the wall.
I understand what you think you need for your business, nothing wrong with that. All I'm saying is that that business isn't as large as you think. If it was it would have justified the 17" MBP.
As for driving innovation, I really think that is BS. The AIRs have driven laptop innovation more than anything else at Apple. Further they sell really well.
Deny all you want, but these declining trends are evident. Bean counter versus innovation is an old quandary. Too much of either is not good. You think its fine for Apple to abandon this segment. I disagree.
You see this is where I think your perspective here is screwed up. Apple did not forget the segment the segment forgot about Apple. There is little reason to keep a machine on the market that doesn't sell well. This I believe was the problem with the 17" MBP.
Now we can discuss why it sold so poorly but that is really another thread altogether.
Time will tell. One thing I do know. The Pro segment of the market won't settle for inadequate solutions very long and they will find alternatives.
They are free to do so. However screen size doesn't make a computer inadequate
It may be I have the last Apple notebook that can run Pro Tools, which requires a dedicated GPU, among other things. Thats a lot of users BTW.
That is BS! The 15" comes with a GPU and runs Pro tools fine. Mavericks is bringing OpenCL acceleration to some Intel GPUs and in some cases OpenCL is extremely fast on Intels integrated GPUs. Much faster than the NVidia solutions.
If you have followed any of my posts over the years you will see that I'm a strong advocate for discrete GPUs. I advocate them mainly because they extend the life span of the machine and in the past that was the only way to get good OpenCL performance. Those days though are quickly becoming numbered. It is pretty simple really, if Intel Integrated GPUs can deliver better performance then it is foolish to pine for discrete GPUs.
As General Patton said so eloquently: Retreat, never, I don't want to capture the same real estate twice.
Patton was full of good quotes!
The funny thing about this discussion is that Apple has never said that the 17" MBP is gone for good. In fact they have said little about it publicly. Apple could still have plans here. Personally I doubt it, but the little mention of it is interesting. In any event I'm convinced that such a machine can't be a 15" MBP with a bigger screen and be successful.
As for your needs have you written Apple or Cook specifically asking about a new 17" machine? In the end the only way Apple will know about demand is to hear about it.