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Its slow compared to a native app on my Macbook Pro and I cannot print a document directly from the cloud app..
No cloud apps for me.

well, the real problem with the iWork suite is market saturation.  They seriously missed the opportunity to flood the market with this suite had they created a PC version.  And since there is no PC version the only users are Mac users.  And MS Office is pretty much a monopoly in PC productivity apps.  So to offer this on iCloud.com to users who have never used iWork before is basically a lost cause.

 

To me the only reason to have this as a feature is for the people who work in a PC world but live the life of Apple.  Like me.  But, all our office docs are in Office so i'ts kind of pointless.  Not to mention if you are already an OS X/iOS user, having this iCloud.com site is pointless.

 

so what?  you can upload your work docs to Pages/Numbers/Keynote and use them for meetings or presentations?  I guess that's easier than emailing them to your iPad.

 

I don't know what Apple's thinking here.  I would've rather they spend all this time and energy making  better productivity Apps then pushing all to a location where nobody will use it.  I got an early invite to use it.  Haven't once needed to.

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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post
So to offer this on iCloud.com to users who have never used iWork before is basically a lost cause.

 

Just like giving iTunes and iPod access PC users was a lost cause.

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post #43 of 72
I use Excel for my home finances, so I gave the web version of Numbers a try. First I tried to drag over a file saved as an Excel binary workbook (.xlsb). Numbers didn't recognize it as an Excel file. I then tried another file saved as an Excel workbook (.xlsx). That transferred fine.
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Also in the new Pages beta, if you scroll down even a single page, there is a one second pause before it can display the content.  When you work with bigger documents, the wait increases dramatically.  On a small 100 page document, you can scroll the view down a page and a half and you will generally wait two or three seconds for the content to appear.  It's almost unusable at the moment. 

 

I am editing a 118 page document (66,689 words; 240 kb) in Pages via iCloud)
It opens in less than 3 seconds. Scrolling down a single page is virtually instantaneous. And if I grab the scroll bar and go from page 1 to page 118, the refresh is less than a second.
 
I just doubled the document and I still get the same results.
 
What computer are you using and what is you internet speed? I am using a Macbook Pro Retina 13; Download Speed = 34.65 MBPS; Upload Speed = 2.12 Mbps

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iCloud has been hit or miss for me honestly. But most of my problems come when I'm trying to access iCloud.com from a PC. Not an ideal environment obviously but icloud is advertised to work on PCs as well so that as a real issue.

 

Advertised to work, and it does. Not advertised to work as well. Maybe that's the distinction?

post #46 of 72
I just realized the new iOS 7 icon for Contacts uses different color tabs for "A", "B", "C", and "D". That makes the colors seem relevant to the Contacts features. However, I'm not aware of any functionality that assigns different colors to anything alphabetical or anything at all, right?

Seems like a misleading visual cue if it doesn't address actual funactionality %u2013 especially since the other productivity app icons (Calendar, Notes, Reminders) use colors that mimic actual elements in each app.
post #47 of 72
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I never felt that about iCloud.. Thought it was snapy fast. Dont know what your talking about.. What in ur opinion in the application is slow ?
Pretty much everything, frankly.

It even takes a good few seconds to bring up the login dialogue.  Click on Mail and enjoy a spinning progress wheel, followed by an unnecessary animation; and usually at least 5 seconds before you actually see any data, sometimes a lot more.  Then try and search.  And wait.... Then go into the Archive and wait even longer...  And then wait some more...

Compare this with Google's web apps and you're talking about a totally different experience, Google is quick as a spring buck.  Obv Apple have them nailed on interface design, but that's only so much good when you're stuck on a progress wheel.


I find iCloud to be fine when using Mail.app, Notes.app, Reminders.app, etc on the Mac or iOS because all of the processing is done on-device, but the web client is and always has been terribly slow at accessing libraries and loading up my stuff.  These iWork apps are even more complicated than Mail and are taking ages to do anything from where I'm currently sitting.

What are you running it on?

I have a loaded iMac 27" running Mavericks, Maps, FCPX, Xcode, Mail, Quicktime. iTunes 2 Mac Xcode OSX Mapping apps, and 25 browser windows...

Every iCloud beta app runs smooth and fast.


Here's a pretty good review:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2047239/hands-on-iwork-for-icloud-beta-almost-as-good-as-mac-ios-versions.html#tk.rss_all
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Pretty much everything, frankly.

It even takes a good few seconds to bring up the login dialogue.  Click on Mail and enjoy a spinning progress wheel, followed by an unnecessary animation; and usually at least 5 seconds before you actually see any data, sometimes a lot more.  Then try and search.  And wait.... Then go into the Archive and wait even longer...  And then wait some more...

Compare this with Google's web apps and you're talking about a totally different experience, Google is quick as a spring buck.  Obv Apple have them nailed on interface design, but that's only so much good when you're stuck on a progress wheel.


I find iCloud to be fine when using Mail.app, Notes.app, Reminders.app, etc on the Mac or iOS because all of the processing is done on-device, but the web client is and always has been terribly slow at accessing libraries and loading up my stuff.  These iWork apps are even more complicated than Mail and are taking ages to do anything from where I'm currently sitting.

Also in the new Pages beta, if you scroll down even a single page, there is a one second pause before it can display the content.  When you work with bigger documents, the wait increases dramatically.  On a small 100 page document, you can scroll the view down a page and a half and you will generally wait two or three seconds for the content to appear.  It's almost unusable at the moment. 


I don't get any delay scrolling to the next or prior 3-5 pages in a 160 page document with images, text, etc. After that, it takes about 2 seconds to load the next pages.


I think it may be something to do with browser caching -- I just emptied the Safari cache and at first, I could refresh and scroll about 14 pages without a delay... after a while, though it went back to 3-5 pages.


I suspect Apple will monitor and fiddle with this during the beta.
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post #49 of 72
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Just like giving iTunes and iPod access PC users was a lost cause.
It gave them profit from windows and allowed anybody to get a iPod and not return it.
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Made some quick tests... very promising!
post #51 of 72
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What are you running it on?

I have a loaded iMac 27" running Mavericks, Maps, FCPX, Xcode, Mail, Quicktime. iTunes 2 Mac Xcode OSX Mapping apps, and 25 browser windows...

Every iCloud beta app runs smooth and fast.


Here's a pretty good review:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2047239/hands-on-iwork-for-icloud-beta-almost-as-good-as-mac-ios-versions.html#tk.rss_all

So, how do you like Mavericks?  What's your prognosis?

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What are you running it on?


I have a loaded iMac 27" running Mavericks, Maps, FCPX, Xcode, Mail, Quicktime. iTunes 2 Mac Xcode OSX Mapping apps, and 25 browser windows...


Every iCloud beta app runs smooth and fast.



Here's a pretty good review:

http://www.macworld.com/article/2047239/hands-on-iwork-for-icloud-beta-almost-as-good-as-mac-ios-versions.html#tk.rss_all
So, how do you like Mavericks?  What's your prognosis?


Love it! The latest release has some new issues -- but it is very solid!. I use it on 2 "production" iMacs.

It is very fast -- like getting a new machine (I dread going back to ML).

The Maps app is best in class for my needs!

The AppNap feature causes the machines to run a lot cooler than ML -- and a lot less power.
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post #53 of 72
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Love it! The latest release has some new issues -- but it is very solid!. I use it on 2 "production" iMacs.

It is very fast -- like getting a new machine (I dread going back to ML).

The Maps app is best in class for my needs!

The AppNap feature causes the machines to run a lot cooler than ML -- and a lot less power.

Cool..   I used to get Beta code a LONG time ago so I could play around with it, but I decided I didn't like running unstable code, so I just opt for waiting.  I just wanted to see how it was coming along.

 

I personally wish they would change the theme away from brushed aluminum and maybe go to that black/dark gray look like they seem to be doing with FCP, Logic and some of their apps.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post
The Maps app is best in class for my needs!

 

Meanwhile, this is what happened the last time I used Google Maps.

 

Now, I do like the nice little touch they've done where you pull the globe all the way out and as you run the reflection (realtime!) of the sunlight near the terminator, it changes color in the atmosphere like the sun really does at that height. I think that's a very Apple Detail of them (see how such details are NAMED 'Apple Details', though). But really, when the entire map is completely and utterly unusable and all you have is the Apple Details, well…

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The Maps app is best in class for my needs!

 

Meanwhile, this is what happened the last time I used Google Maps.

 

[images]

 

Honestly I never seen anything like that. I have Google Maps on my iPad and the interface looks nothing like that. How exactly are you observing images like that?

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I, too, have ever seen anything like that!

It looks more like Google Earth or the Goongle Maps beta on the web.

...maybe he was using the Chrome browser 1smile.gif
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The Maps app is best in class for my needs!

Meanwhile, this is what happened the last time I used Google Maps.

[images]
Honestly I never seen anything like that. I have Google Maps on my iPad and the interface looks nothing like that. How exactly are you observing images like that?
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post
the Goongle Maps beta on the web.

 

Oh, this is part of a beta? That'd be it, then. Yeah, it's certainly not on an iOS device; I just wanted to point it out here, given how horrible it is.

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Also in the new Pages beta, if you scroll down even a single page, there is a one second pause before it can display the content.  When you work with bigger documents, the wait increases dramatically.  On a small 100 page document, you can scroll the view down a page and a half and you will generally wait two or three seconds for the content to appear.  It's almost unusable at the moment. 

 

I am trying iCloud at the moment at my summer house in the middle of nowhere over a lousy 3G network (download speed 1,5 M, upload 1,5 M) and Pages is incredibly fast! Can't wait to get back home to try it over proper internet connection.

 

I'm using 15" MacBook Pro (2,6 GHz Core i7, 16 GB RAM).

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post
the Goongle Maps beta on the web.

 

Oh, this is part of a beta? That'd be it, then. Yeah, it's certainly not on an iOS device; I just wanted to point it out here, given how horrible it is.

So  you just made up some bull shit or what?

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1) What I don't understand is why they rely on Google Maps in the FMI section; if it's beta why not use beta software from 10.9 as well? Same applies to Aperture, possibly likely also in iPhoto.



2) I find it easier to use the first 5 apps in a Safari window than having 5 separate apps open. This can't possibly mean I long for the days of Outlook, can it ¿

I'll have to check as I forget what it was now … but I was using something in either Mavericks or iOS 7 yesterday and noticed it used Apple Maps where the previous iteration had used Google … I think things are changing over.

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Meanwhile, this is what happened the last time I used Google Maps.







Now, I do like the nice little touch they've done where you pull the globe all the way out and as you run the reflection (realtime!) of the sunlight near the terminator, it changes color in the atmosphere like the sun really does at that height. I think that's a very Apple Detail of them (see how such details are NAMED 'Apple Details', though). But really, when the entire map is completely and utterly unusable and all you have is the Apple Details, well…

Wowa … That looks like my entire Mac screen last night after half a bottle of 18 year old Glenfiddich 1biggrin.gif
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I'll have to check as I forget what it was now … but I was using something in either Mavericks or iOS 7 yesterday and noticed it used Apple Maps where the previous iteration had used Google … I think things are changing over.

Oh please, yes, get back to us on this one.
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side bar / I was shocked to see leather stitching is still on Find My Friends in the latest updates … surely that will be gone by the GM particularly as that is the epitome of the criticism in that area.

Really? I don't see it at beta.icloud.com Did you clear your browsers' cache?
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Having said that I am thrilled with the realistic use of graphics in Logic pro X

You keep mentioning Logic. I love music, but do not create. Can't play an instrument. Still, after taking the FCPX Pro Lab I will sign up for Logic, just because I like your enthusiasm!

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I am trying iCloud at the moment at my summer house in the middle of nowhere over a lousy 3G network (download speed 1,5 M, upload 1,5 M) and Pages is incredibly fast! Can't wait to get back home to try it over proper internet connection.

 

I'm using 15" MacBook Pro (2,6 GHz Core i7, 16 GB RAM).

 

A lot of people are posting responses like this, all I can say is that what I described is exactly how it worked for me.  

 

I do a lot of writing and I'm generally working with a document that's around 100,000+ words or about 400-500 pages. When I tested it I was at work on an iMac on gigabit ethernet at an organisation that forms part of the internet backbone so there shouldn't be any speed problem with my connection.  

 

I am of course not in Southern California. I find it frustrating that so much of the time when someone like me posts a speed problem the internet becomes alive with "works like a rocket for me" comments all mostly coming from Americans, and primarily Americans living in Southern California.  Speeds will no doubt vary around the world.  

 

Scrolling issues like the one I described would seem to me to be far more concerned with the browser cacheing than internet speeds anyway.  For any web based editing program to work well, it needs to be able to effectively cache documents of multiple gigabytes in size (at minimum) and sync the changes back and forth to the cloud.  

 

If it really is reaching into the cloud for data when I scroll unexpectedly from page one to page 251, then that's just a bad design IMO.  Perhaps they have optimised the performance for the typical two page, "I'm making a flyer for my lost cat!" document and not for people doing actual work.  Again I think this is a horrible mistake if true and simply, bad design.  

 

I won't go on further as it is a beta, but it has a lot of problems from my point of view and they have made some bad design choices IMO  (like having documents open at a set default resolution instead of "fit to width" without letting the user set or alter that default resolution).  The lack of support for plain old English as a language is also alarming.  It needs to launch with multi-language support at minimum.  I can't imagine they will really launch it without supporting the main English language and I will be shocked (and very complainy) if they do.  

 

----

 

 

In regards iWork in general (not just the web version), I'm just disappointed in the disrespect Apple has shown for what are for me, a central and very important applications.  The lack of any significant updates or effort on their part, and the lack of attention to detail is atrocious.  The idea that they seem to actually think their work is "done" or "good enough" and are thinking of making the whole thing free as part of a loss leader package to sell hardware infuriates me.  I've got a lot invested.

 

A lot of users like me *believed* Apple when they said they were serious about making the iWork apps serious competitors.  I think they've let down all those people who actually took them at their word and moved all their creation away from Office to iWork.  I think they owe the users of iWork apps, who have been suffering all this time, a far bigger apology than the one they gave to the few users who lost data on MobileMe.  

 

If the team leader for iWork apps was in front of me at this moment I'd step on his/her foot and slap them in the face.  

And I say that as a lifelong Apple supporter and someone who has never actually hit anyone in their life. 

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The beta iWork for iCloud is reportedly closed now to new signups. Seems it might have been pretty popular.
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Just like giving iTunes and iPod access PC users was a lost cause.

totally different situation there.  They created PC versions, not a website App.  Point is moot.  Had you quoted the first part of my post you'd see I address that situation in my response.

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Made some quick tests... very promising!

I'd say the most promising thing to come from this is the fact that Apple is in fact addressing that the iWork suite needs to be addressed, with regards to market saturation and actually updating the apps.

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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post
totally different situation there.  They created PC versions, not a website App.  Point is moot.

 

iCloud.com is a PC version of iCloud.

 
  Had you quoted the first part of my post you'd see I address that situation in my response. 

 

Not acceptably.

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iCloud.com is a PC version of iCloud.

Not acceptably.
Wrong, try again.
iCloud.com is not a PC version of iCloud. I cannot access iTunes, the iTunes or App Store. I cannot access any of my email, messages, etc. that aren't just my iCloud emails ( which I never use). To me, this iCloud.com should just be a web iOS emulator, but it isn't. It's a pointless website that I've never had a need for. If I can get to the Internet I usually have a phone on me. So it's all pointless.
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Wrong, try again.
iCloud.com is not a PC version of iCloud. I cannot access iTunes, the iTunes or App Store. I cannot access any of my email, messages, etc. that aren't just my iCloud emails ( which I never use). To me, this iCloud.com should just be a web iOS emulator, but it isn't. It's a pointless website that I've never had a need for. If I can get to the Internet I usually have a phone on me. So it's all pointless.

 

Sure, acceptably, is a word, it may not be in any dictionary and have any meaning that is part of the English language, but these days, it's just as much of a word as biotch or beotch or whatever the spelling is for the different pronunciation of the word bitch.  


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Wrong, try again.
iCloud.com is not a PC version of iCloud. I cannot access iTunes, the iTunes or App Store. I cannot access any of my email, messages, etc. that aren't just my iCloud emails ( which I never use). To me, this iCloud.com should just be a web iOS emulator, but it isn't. It's a pointless website that I've never had a need for. If I can get to the Internet I usually have a phone on me. So it's all pointless.

 

What would happen if your phone got stolen, or the battery died and you were at a friend's house that had a PC or a Mac that wasn't yours and you wanted to get access to your email, or some file, etc.?  You could simply log into your free iCloud account through a browser.


Everyone doesn't always have access to their own devices 100% of the time.  I've been in situations where I've needed to use my icloud account.  The world doesn't revolve around YOU.

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Considering how annoying the iOS Simulator in XCode is to use, a web version would be an open invite for ridicule.
 
Interfaces that exist as a fine interaction between well engineered software and hardware won't be well served by emulators.

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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post
iCloud.com is not a PC version of iCloud. I cannot access iTunes, the iTunes or App Store.

 

Yeah, except iTunes–with iCloud–already exists on Windows to fit those needs.

 
I cannot access any of my email, messages, etc. that aren't just my iCloud emails ( which I never use).

 

Yeah, you can't do that via iCloud otherwise ANYWAY.

 
If I can get to the Internet I usually have a phone on me. So it's all pointless.

 

To you.

 

Any more cherries you want to pick only to have me slap them out of your hands?

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