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post #121 of 315

Why is anyone happy about this? Ballmer's the best thing to happen to Microsoft. His replacement might actually be COMPETENT; we don't want that.

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post #122 of 315
They should sell a full (not upgrade) version of Windows on a USB thumbdrive, that is designed to boot on a Mac (EFI) and has a full set of drivers pre-installed for all the hardware Apple ships. The fact is, Macs are the most beautiful hardware at the moment, don't fight it, go with it.
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Why is anyone happy about this? Ballmer's the best thing to happen to Microsoft. His replacement might actually be COMPETENT; we don't want that.

In our fanboy hearts maybe we want Monkeyboy to stay on.

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How is moving that software online not an update?

 

It's not.

 

All they did was moved 5 year old software with no new features onto iCloud.

 

Apple is not even trying to convince us that iWork for iCloud is somehow iWork 2013 so don't act like it is.

post #125 of 315
He's finally leaving - hurrah!!
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Ballmer: "I'm reeatch, beeatch!"

Kinda takes the joy out of it.

 

He's a prime candidate for an early death after retirement if that makes you feel better.  He was a heart attack waiting to happen while he was in charge and once his purpose in life is removed, he's a good candidate for one of those guys that dies suddenly a month or two after leaving work. 

post #127 of 315

Although Ballmer leaving MS is Apple's worst nightmare, here's hoping a new leader can keep the MS employees employed and working hard on new and creative projects. I don't ever want to see a world where Apple has no competitors. Right now, MS is so lost, that I wouldn't even consider it a competitor to Apple.

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post #128 of 315

Ballmer is spending these upcoming 12 months preparing for this:

 

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He's a prime candidate for an early death after retirement if that makes you feel better.  He was a heart attack waiting to happen while he was in charge and once his purpose in life is removed, he's a good candidate for one of those guys that dies suddenly a month or two after leaving work. 

 

Wow, I didn't realize imagining someone having a heart attack and dying was a cool thing to post.

post #130 of 315
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You nailed it!


Wintel machines will still be around (the trucks) but will become niche players.


MS Office, too, will be on a steady decline.


Apple's iWork apps on the desktop, mobile, touch and the web will disrupt MS Office (finally) for the masses.

Apple hasn't updated iWork in almost 5 years.

I'm not sure if they're interested in disrupting Microsoft Office.

Anyway Microsoft has new cash cow Office 365, and that will keep them relevant at least with businesses for another decade or so.

• 2011 iWork for iPhone/iPad

• 2012 iWork for HDTV/AppleTV via AirPlay

• 2013 iWork for iCloud


Regardless of whether Apple is interested in disrupting MS Office or not -- it's happening.

The iDevices make iWork available to the masses...

iWork will increasingly be taught in schools instead of MS Office as one-to-one iPad use in the classroom explodes.

With iWork on iCloud your documents can be accessed from anywhere on any platform -- even Windows, Linux, Chrome, Android...

increasingly, BYOD will mean Bring Your Own Documents!


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post #131 of 315
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Apple hasn't updated iWork in almost 5 years.

 

I'm not sure if they're interested in disrupting Microsoft Office.

 

Anyway Microsoft has new cash cow Office 365, and that will keep them relevant at least with businesses for another decade or so.

 

I like to watch movies. Besides being entertaining, for the most part, movies also tell me a lot about technology. Watch Wall Street from 1987. That mobile phone that Michael Douglas is using is, imo, Office.

 

Fro shits and giggles watch a few movies from 2006. Keep track of the phones being used. Then fast forward about 3 years. Hmmm... people are using their fingers on that strange contraption. Again... that flip phone in the 2006 movies... that's Office... imho.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Regardless of whether Apple is interested in disrupting MS Office or not -- it's happening.

This is the same kind of thinking you can see Ballmer engaged in in the iPhone video above.

"We have great Windows Mobile devices... it'll do music, it'll do Internet, it's do email, it'll do instant messaging... I like our strategy"

The mistake Ballmer made was thinking only in abstract functionality and not looking at the actual product, and the actual iPhone was 10x better than his.

 

You also speak in abstract functionality, such as iWork working on the web, being distributed to many people via iDevices, etc - but don't look at the actual product. Pages and Numbers are just awful. Keynote alone is decent.

post #134 of 315
The best thing to do with Microsoft is to break it up into several smaller companies. This would raise shareholder value while avoiding the internal conflicts that have held this company back for so many years.
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"Ballmer's tenure was a profitable but tumultuous period in which Microsoft pushed into new markets beyond the PC, but also saw its stronghold in smartphones..."

Correction: crap-phones. Windows Mobile was utter crap!

post #136 of 315
I agree with much of jragosta wrote above.

Time for Microsoft to do what they should have finished when they started Longhorn. A complete rewrite of Windows as UNIX-based. That whole NT kernel should be allowed to whither and die, taking the registry, scattered .com and .dll files with it! Packages: novel (for MS), yet efficient and easily managed by every single other OS on the planet. Continue to support Win7, 8 and possibly 9 (next year release) for another decade as they've done with WinXP.

How parallel to Apple if they did that*, considering it would take all of their engineering muscle and talent to have something ready in a couple of years, at which time... get ready for it... Windows X...1smoking.gif

* They won't. Nobody with balls... including "___mer" all these years.

Scott Forstall: save him for a rainy day at Apple once he's grown up and seen "The Light"**; or if TC ever gets tired of all the BS the media and WS constantly throws at him and walks.

** Edited to add: "The Light" being iOS 7 and SF being humbled that some one other than his majesty could create a compelling modern OS. SJ experienced the same... whether he would ever admit or not is another story.
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post #137 of 315
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• 2011 iWork for iPhone/iPad ...

 

And still not even feature complete to this day!

 

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... • 2012 iWork for HDTV/AppleTV via AirPlay ...
 
Totally not fair to include this as a "version" of iWork. 
 
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...  • 2013 iWork for iCloud ...
 
A beta that is not feature complete with even the "not feature complete" iOS version so far. 
 
Apple still has a HUGE amount of work to do to make iWork a respectable product.  
 
What worries me the most is that they don't seem to see it that way at all.  They actually seem to think they are doing okay with this stuff.   1hmm.gif
post #138 of 315

Ballmer was good for Apple so I am sorry to see him go. Good in the sense that he weakened a competitor.  A good CEO can turn things around. For proof you only need to look at Yahoo and their recent change of fortune. A new CEO for Microsoft could do the same thing. 

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Sell off Xbox and focus on enterprise and cloud.

Why sell Xbox when it's starting to become profitable?
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The best thing to do with Microsoft is to break it up into several smaller companies. This would raise shareholder value while avoiding the internal conflicts that have held this company back for so many years.

A good idea until you have to try and integrate the diverse holdings into a cohesive product and ecosystem to take on Apple or Google.
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post #141 of 315
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Regardless of whether Apple is interested in disrupting MS Office or not -- it's happening.
This is the same kind of thinking you can see Ballmer engaged in in the iPhone video above.
"We have great Windows Mobile devices... it'll do music, it'll do Internet, it's do email, it'll do instant messaging... I like our strategy"
The mistake Ballmer made was thinking only in abstract functionality and not looking at the actual product, and the actual iPhone was 10x better than his.

You also speak in abstract functionality, such as iWork working on the web, being distributed to many people via iDevices, etc - but don't look at the actual product. Pages and Numbers are just awful. Keynote alone is decent.

We have been Windows/Office free for 3 years -- no longer even have Parallels.

My daughter teaches classes at her church, is a soccer mom, usually a team mom, etc. Three teenagers 2 High school, 1 Middle school. All their reports, etc. are done on iWork... on their iPads and/or on an iMac (3 in household).

I am retired, but used office for years (since Multiplan). I find that every "Office" thing we need to do is doable with iWork.


I maintain that iWork is easier to learn, to use and more productive for the new and average user -- no digging through layers of bloat.
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post #142 of 315
Why wait for a year? Step down today and get one Surface Tablet absolutely free!
post #143 of 315

Microsoft failures during Ballmer's tenure:

- Windows Me

- Windows Vista

- Microsoft Tablet PC

- MSN / Bing

- Xbox

- Zune

- KIN

- Windows Phone

- Surface

 

Microsoft successes during Ballmer's tenure:

- Windows XP

- Windows 7

- Office

- Xbox 360

 

Microsoft's biggest hits during the Ballmer era were all legacy products: desktop / laptop OS-es and apps, and complex and expensive game consoles.  Xbox One won't be enough to give Microsoft any lasting success in the post-PC era.  Because it's not mobile.

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This is the same kind of thinking you can see Ballmer engaged in in the iPhone video above.

"We have great Windows Mobile devices... it'll do music, it'll do Internet, it's do email, it'll do instant messaging... I like our strategy"

The mistake Ballmer made was thinking only in abstract functionality and not looking at the actual product, and the actual iPhone was 10x better than his.

 

You also speak in abstract functionality, such as iWork working on the web, being distributed to many people via iDevices, etc - but don't look at the actual product. Pages and Numbers are just awful. Keynote alone is decent.

I have to disagree about Pages, it's great for 90% of people. Not so great for the 10% who need special features. Number is indeed awful. I would say Keynote is a lot better than just decent.

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post #145 of 315
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Why is anyone happy about this? Ballmer's the best thing to happen to Microsoft. His replacement might actually be COMPETENT; we don't want that.

Not necessarily. Larry Page followed Eric Schmidt.

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post #146 of 315
Gave Jerry Yang a run for the money as the biggest Bozo in Tech!
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Wow, I didn't realize imagining someone having a heart attack and dying was a cool thing to post.

 

Sorry, it's just on my mind I guess.  There are lots of guys retiring where I work and quite a lot of them are dead soon after.  Sad reality. 

 

Balmer's entire working life has been Microsoft, and regardless of what we think of his performance, he's given 110% the whole time.  What is his purpose when he retires?  He's the exact kind of guy that this sort of thing happens to. I kind of hope they give him some kind of role at the company or a seat on the board for that reason as I don't really wish him ill. But I'm thinking they won't. 

post #148 of 315
One more year? till the rein of error is over. Who knows what evil lurks in the mind to come next.

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post #149 of 315
It may be too late.
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Scott Forestall - Microsoft CEO?
What experience does he have running a company as large as Microsoft? And why would Microsoft hire as CEO someone who only a year ago was fired from Apple?
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Not necessarily. Larry Page followed Eric Schmidt.
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What experience does he have running a company as large as Microsoft? And why would Microsoft hire as CEO someone who only a year ago was fired from Apple?

He can't do much worse.
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Actually, I don't think Microsoft ever followed what Apple was doing. Instead, they made a half-hearted attempt to copy some of Apple's PRODUCTS, but that's not the key to Apple's success. IOW, the problem was in execution, not in the strategy of learning from Apple. [...]

 

Agree. (Mostly.) Half-heartedly copying products isn't the same thing as building an infrastructure, then an ecosystem on top of that, then releasing products that leverage that infrastructure and ecosystem.  Without careful long-term planning and development, you end up with dead-end products that can't be developed any further.  Like Windows Mobile 6.5.  It was a quick and dirty reaction to Palm's early successes in mobile, but Microsoft simply didn't put any careful long-term planning behind it.  They didn't evolve it.  They killed it and replaced it with Windows 7 with zero migration paths for devices or data.  Total lack of strategic thinking.

 

I'd say that "learning from Apple" isn't a strategy.  It's a tactic.  And it means that Microsoft will always be behind the curve.  Always reacting to what Apple does.  Always trying to copy Apple products' look-and-feel to fool consumers.  Never being able to move anything forward for fear of doing something that Apple wouldn't do and looking foolish for incorrectly copying Apple.

 

Windows 8 seems to be a prime example of what Microsoft does when they don't closely imitate an Apple product.  It has a painfully awkward mash-up of 1980s legacy mouse-driven "desktop" interface and 21st-century multitouch-driven mobile interface.  I'm sure Microsoft executives thought that Apple would eventually merge OS X and iOS into a single OS for all Apple devices on all screen sizes.  And they also probably thought that Apple would eventually put touchscreens on Macs.  So they must have decided that Windows 8 should beat Apple to the punch by merging legacy desktop and modern multitouch interfaces, and that PC manufacturers should build expensive touchscreen PCs before Apple could get touchscreen Macs to market.

 

Wrong.  If you don't lead, you follow the leader.  If you don't follow the leader, you're lost.

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Microsoft failures during Ballmer's tenure:
- Windows Me
- Windows Vista
- Microsoft Tablet PC
- MSN / Bing
- Xbox
- Zune
- KIN
- Windows Phone
- Surface

Microsoft successes during Ballmer's tenure:
- Windows XP
- Windows 7
- Office
- Xbox 360

Microsoft's biggest hits during the Ballmer era were all legacy products: desktop / laptop OS-es and apps, and complex and expensive game consoles.  Xbox One won't be enough to give Microsoft any lasting success in the post-PC era.  Because it's not mobile.

Interesting way to put it -- with the exception of Xbox, all of Ballmers's "successes" were 2 Windows Upgrades with intermingled Windows failures... And Office's main apps (Word and Excel) are an extension/enhancement to the apps released for the Mac in 1985... So the Office "success" was maintaining/increasing its dominance.

I think that the Surface will prove that both Windows OS and MS Office are failures on a tablet. I think that Windows 8 and Windows Phone OS are/will be a failure.
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post #155 of 315

Where I work I've been through a CEO transition and a CIO transition and both times during the months of finding someone new the relevant organization (the company, the IT unit) increasingly floundered.  Big new things were held up and people started putting off making tough calls about strategic changes.  "Let's wait and see what the new guy wants before we do something that may get un-done."  

 

It MS doesn't announce a new CEO within 2 months they'll pay a huge price.

post #156 of 315
The Muse Does Call Upon These Times

Interesting is the story then
To tell if the reign of error do end.
So Steve, to a retirement home,
And there to chew upon a bone.

MS when he bids adieu,
Fifty-fifty say renew.
But many doubts some shall have,
That Stevie's lips might rest, at last.

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post #157 of 315
Good bye. Nobody will miss you ...
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Scott Forstall anyone?

 

As a NeXT/Apple alum, and a former co-worker of Scott's who knows he's from Redmond, WA and went to Stanford then to NeXT, he lives and breathes NeXT/Apple technologies.

 

You aren't dragging Scott out of the Bay Area for any job, especially Microsoft whom he has loathed for decades.

 

Scott will run his own start up.

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Probably the best thing to happen to Microsoft. Perhaps they can get some clarity back in their organization.

What was their original clarity? Copying and buying competitors and throwing money at it until their 300lb gorilla was built and could threaten and coerce the rest of the industry? What a vision.

Every empire has its time. Apple had two. Maybe Microsoft will survive long enough to become a regular company, instead of the domineering bastard it's always been. But I don't think they (or most any other company in the computer industry) has yet comprehended the fact that this stuff has to not just be advertised at the average person, it also has to be functional, reliable, and sensible for the average non-geek person. Apple has done well with this in iOS and all the geeks run around screaming "dumbing down, dumbing down, the sky is falling!!" They so do not get it.
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What experience does he have running a company as large as Microsoft? And why would Microsoft hire as CEO someone who only a year ago was fired from Apple?

 

Fired executives are hired all the time.  Especially if the come from a bigger company.

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