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Given his torturous and embarrassing "iPhone Funeral", I wonder if this is how Ballmer views his nemesis, now:

 

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Every single time I use Windows, without fail, I wind up asking myself, "How has human civilization not collapsed being forced to use software this F—ING USELESS?!" If I copy a file, the entire OS locks up until it's done. HOW IS THIS ACCEPTABLE?!

Because it doesn't do that, you must have a fault with the PC you are using.
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post
Because it doesn't do that, you must have a fault with the PC you are using.

 

Mac Pro. Fault, huh?

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Mac Pro. Fault, huh?

Wouldn't be the first Mac to have an issue. None of the Windows machines I have access to "lock up" when copying files.
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Ballmer watching Ballmer... now that is frightening.

Sorry to see him go, a colourful and for Apple, successful, era bites the dust.

You never know. MS can do much worst than than Ballmer.

I'd hope for Ray Ozzie, but he has his own business nowadays. Still, leading Microsoft might be something hard to resist. Sinofsky was apparently hard to work with, and without Jobs' charisma, I don't think he would fit well. But you never know.

End of the day, an insider (or ex-insider at least) would be miles better than someone random outsourced "professional" CEO like Leo Apotheker, IMHO...
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Wouldn't be the first Mac to have an issue. None of the Windows machines I have access to "lock up" when copying files.

Amazing how far people's bias can take them, eh?

I'm pretty sure even if blue puff of smoke would emerge out of his Mac Pro, TS would still be blaming Windows for his machine not turning on any more... 1wink.gif
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Mac Pro. Fault, huh?

Were you using Boot Camp or a virtual version?
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post
Amazing how far people's bias can take them, eh?

 

Except it happens on every Windows machine I've used. 1oyvey.gif1hmm.gif

 

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Were you using Boot Camp or a virtual version?

 

Boot Camp. It does this whether the copying is done within the Windows partition, from a FAT partition on another drive to Windows, and from an HFS+ partition on another drive to Windows. 

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Except it happens on every Windows machine I've used. 1oyvey.gif
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Boot Camp. It does this whether the copying is done within the Windows partition, from a FAT partition on another drive to Windows, and from an HFS+ partition on another drive to Windows. 

Were they really large files? It has happened to me but only with files over a certain size.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
Were they really large files? It has happened to me but only with files over a certain size.

 

I suppose so, but only because larger files take long enough to copy that it's noticeable?

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I suppose so, but only because larger files take long enough to copy that it's noticeable?

I don't know for sure but that would certainly be my guess as well.
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Microsoft just needs to think about the user experience regardless of who the user is. When you can barely demo a tablet on stage because it doesn't work properly and instead distract people by clicking the stand, that's a big warning sign that the user experience isn't right. When Apple demoed the iPad, Steve just sat on a sofa and used it. Microsoft's recent adverts basically say 'we make sh*t products but at least you can save $150'. If a product is good enough, people will pay for it.

They really need to start placing more importance on design too - designers, designer, designers first and developers, developers, developers second. The XBox One looks like junk. Same with things like this:


I agree with most of things you said... except for one little thing.

Sitting in his comfy chair (and telling how iPad will bring everyone whole web), hasn't Steve Jobs opened a web page or two with big ugly holes where Flash animation was supposed to be?

Granted not as bad as tablet crashing on you, but still a mistake in planning and execution. But it's live event. These things happen. Even to Steve Jobs.
post #93 of 134
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Except it happens on every Windows machine I've used. 1oyvey.gif
1hmm.gif



Boot Camp. It does this whether the copying is done within the Windows partition, from a FAT partition on another drive to Windows, and from an HFS+ partition on another drive to Windows. 

When we have same user experiencing same problem on multiple machines, in huge majority of cases it boils down to user's error.

That being said, it can also be network related (if you are copying over lan). Storage driver related if you are copying locally. And why, on earth, are you using FAT..?
post #94 of 134
Some of you guys are waaayyyy toooo harsh on Balmer. Was he a maniac? Of course. But so was Steve Jobs, in a much more private, reserved sort of way. Most successful people are in one way or another. Balmer also led MS through a sustained period of unheard-of profitability in MS's market-dominating segments. From an investor's standpoint (i.e. company owners'), Balmer wasn't too shabby. Obviously, he has routinely dropped the ball on the media and tablet fronts. But he's maintained a strong enterprise presence, and Windows OS is still by far and away the dominating Desktop PC OS (obviously desktop PCs are becoming less relevant, and Apple OS is growing). What I am getting at here is that Balmer's reign, however hilarious, has not been one large disaster like many of you allege. I understand and agree that Apple's products are better designed, etc. But Balmer has kept MS profitable and relevant in certain market sectors for far longer than Apple has been profitable. I think the MS Surface debacle was his final undoing. It was a classic MS consumer electronic in that it was 90% of the way to being an Apple-contender, and it just couldn't hack that extra 10%, so it failed. In fact, there were elements of the Surface that were fairly ingenious and inventive, but the marketing debacle combined with the high price and lacking features did it in. In short, everyone runs out of steam at some point in time (unless their life is tragically cut short before then). It is time for Balmer to go. But MS is still one of the world's most valuable companies and it has a number of market segments where it still dominates. If MS can hire a dynamic CEO willing to shake things up, it still has the power, money and presence to have a sustained future impact on the computing and consumer electronics world.
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Were they really large files? It has happened to me but only with files over a certain size.

If he is using FAT then they won't be a large file
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Some of you guys are waaayyyy toooo harsh on Balmer. Was he a maniac? Of course. But so was Steve Jobs, in a much more private, reserved sort of way. Most successful people are in one way or another. Balmer also led MS through a sustained period of unheard-of profitability in MS's market-dominating segments. From an investor's standpoint (i.e. company owners'), Balmer wasn't too shabby. Obviously, he has routinely dropped the ball on the media and tablet fronts. But he's maintained a strong enterprise presence, and Windows OS is still by far and away the dominating Desktop PC OS (obviously desktop PCs are becoming less relevant, and Apple OS is growing). What I am getting at here is that Balmer's reign, however hilarious, has not been one large disaster like many of you allege. I understand and agree that Apple's products are better designed, etc. But Balmer has kept MS profitable and relevant in certain market sectors for far longer than Apple has been profitable. I think the MS Surface debacle was his final undoing. It was a classic MS consumer electronic in that it was 90% of the way to being an Apple-contender, and it just couldn't hack that extra 10%, so it failed. In fact, there were elements of the Surface that were fairly ingenious and inventive, but the marketing debacle combined with the high price and lacking features did it in. In short, everyone runs out of steam at some point in time (unless their life is tragically cut short before then). It is time for Balmer to go. But MS is still one of the world's most valuable companies and it has a number of market segments where it still dominates. If MS can hire a dynamic CEO willing to shake things up, it still has the power, money and presence to have a sustained future impact on the computing and consumer electronics world.

This.

Sure he was a bit of a clown (and then some), but his time at Microsoft wasn't only stage jumping and iPhone stomping; Microsoft did a lot of good things under him as well, compared to ending Gates' years.
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Boot Camp. It does this whether the copying is done within the Windows partition, from a FAT partition on another drive to Windows, and from an HFS+ partition on another drive to Windows. 

I just tried copying 20GB across the network to a Windows 8 machine, the only extra CPU my machine is using is the stupid virus software we use here, everything else if fine.
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I have no problems with my Windows7 machine at work with 30-40 windows open across three monitors.   Win 7 works great.

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If he is using FAT then they won't be a large file

I microsoft technology was all that bad why is Apple adopting it for OSX Maveriks for their disk formatting.

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Originally Posted by K2kW View Post
I microsoft technology was all that bad why is Apple adopting it for OSX Maveriks for their disk formatting.


Er… what?

 

Also, I just have a couple drives left as FAT32 for r/w between OS X and other Windows machines I encounter. I can't futz around with OS X NTFS drivers right now, and it's just easier that way since not all Windows machines are running Apple's HFS+ read driver. On my Mac itself, I never copy to, only from. It's not really inconvenient; what's inconvenient is Windows locking up any time I copy anything.

 

I mean, the literal five plus minutes I have to leave it sit every single time it boots before it will reliably perform the commands I tell it to perform is one thing, since that has been the case with every version of Windows since 95, but something as simple as copying a file? Makes me feel as though Windows has never actually had OS multitasking.

 

And don't get me started on how Windows 8 doesn't support the Radeon 4xxx series and boots to 640x480 every single time I start it.

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I just tried copying 20GB across the network to a Windows 8 machine, the only extra CPU my machine is using is the stupid virus software we use here, everything else if fine.

Nah, there is something wrong with TS setup (or setups). Not necessarily machines themselves but environment as well.

I'm handling licensing for the company I work for, and I also DL, copy and manage ISO files from MS web portal and locally, between my machine, server-side storage and USB HDDs. I also on occasion sort USB HDDs our engineers are taking onsite and use to copy VHD, backup images etc.

I've been doing that since Vista (I cannot recall if there were any issues with XP) and I never had any problems with any of PCs I've been using since.

Some of the ISO files are quite chubby:




And some of VHDs and backups are much chubbier:



And everything downloads, moves, copies without any interruption to my other daily tasks (Office, browsers, ConnectWise...). On average machine.

Of course, TS can continue blaming Windows for everything, or spend that energy in finding actual problem and make his Windows experience at least a bit more palatable. Because there is nothing wrong with Windows copy routines.
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Er… what?

Also, I just have a couple drives left as FAT32 for r/w between OS X and other Windows machines I encounter. I can't futz around with OS X NTFS drivers right now, and it's just easier that way since not all Windows machines are running Apple's HFS+ read driver. On my Mac itself, I never copy to, only from. It's not really inconvenient; what's inconvenient is Windows locking up any time I copy anything.

Well maybe it would work better if you did fulz around. But if you prefer it this way, power to you.
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I mean, the literal five plus minutes I have to leave it sit every single time it boots before it will reliably perform the commands I tell it to perform is one thing, since that has been the case with every version of Windows since 95, but something as simple as copying a file? Makes me feel as though Windows has never actually had OS multitasking.

So basically, looking into problem would save you a lot of 5-minute breaks. Are you smoker, by chance? Maybe you actually like those breaks 1wink.gif
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And don't get me started on how Windows 8 doesn't support the Radeon 4xxx series and boots to 640x480 every single time I start it.

Well, don't. Albeit first Radeon 4000 card, HD 4800 series, was released 5 years ago - on June 25, 2008, AMD could/should have supported that generation a bit longer. That being said, I know that driver included in Windows supports only WDDM 1.1 driver level features, but I haven't heard anywhere that it is THAT unstable. If it is, I'd take it to be AMD's responsibility, rather than Microsoft's.
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He can sit in la la land with his Zune and surface and be attended by the nurses.

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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post
Well maybe it would work better if you did fulz around. But if you prefer it this way, power to you.

 

All that would do is get me the ability to drag to my Windows partition from OS X. It solves nothing about how Windows can't copy a file.


So basically, looking into problem would save you a lot of 5-minute breaks.

 

Try reading the post. That's Windows starting up; not copying a file.


Well, don't. Albeit first Radeon 4000 card, HD 4800 series, was released 5 years ago - on June 25, 2008, AMD could/should have supported that generation a bit longer.

 

And somehow it's now my fault for buying a Mac Pro when I did? It's my fault that Apple's included driver doesn't work properly?

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And everything downloads, moves, copies without any interruption to my other daily tasks (Office, browsers, ConnectWise...). On average machine.

Same here, I do similar things and don't have an issue
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Of course, TS can continue blaming Windows for everything, or spend that energy in finding actual problem and make his Windows experience at least a bit more palatable. Because there is nothing wrong with Windows copy routines.

Exactly...
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Given what we know of Microsoft's management structure I have no faith whatsoever in their ability to pick a successful replacement for Ballmer. I think it will be more failure from them, for the foreseeable future. They are a company that have selected "yes-men" in the management area; they would be more likely to find a visionary among the programmers than anywhere among the suits.

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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post
Exactly...

 

No, sorry. Three versions of Windows doing this across multiple computers tends to make me think otherwise.

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post #109 of 134

Balmer could use the extra time on his hands lining up for the iPhone 5S and one of the new Macbook Pros.

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Scott Forstall, CEO Microsoft.
Discuss.

 

That would be Awesome! Microsoft Bob is like Forstall's skeuomorphic wet dream. He could bring back Bob, Clippy and that super cool animated doggy search companion. Just think how amazing Bob could be with 3D glasses! Like when you open the desk drawer to try to get the dog to find your document, the drawer could actually extend out of the computer monitor!

 

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Wow. That would be poetic. Ballmer, wronged by the company he loves, gets even by giving Apple Microsoft's old secrets and lies. Heck, were he to give Apple the truth about all the evil Microsoft has done, I'd be okay with Apple hiring him to do… something non-critical to hardware or software. Since he's a businessman, maybe he could come under Tim Cook's wing, shadowing him for a few years.


I have an idea... Ballmer could help Apple deal with the DOJ :p

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No, sorry. Three versions of Windows doing this across multiple computers tends to make me think otherwise.

Multiple computers now? Different story than before...

The issue I have is I have experience copying large amounts of data on Windows machines, and I know what you are describing is not a common experience, so I would guess it is the result of one of three things, a poor machine, a poor operator, or a someone making up a story
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Multiple computers now? Different story than before...

The issue I have is I have experience copying large amounts of data on Windows machines, and I know what you are describing is not a common experience, so I would guess it is the result of one of three things, a poor machine, a poor operator, or a someone making up a story

But it's still a guess. Given a choice between Windows being insufficiently good and TS having bad memory, I'd guess on the former...

Let's start a guess club. We could even have merchandise, like I don't know, Guess belts, Guess tshirts...

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But it's still a guess. Given a choice between Windows being insufficiently good and TS having bad memory, I'd guess on the former...
Let's start a guess club. We could even have merchandise, like I don't know, Guess belts, Guess tshirts...

If we were talking about Windows ME, or Windows 98, I might be able to agree, but this is 2013, Windows 7, and Windows 8 perform fine, so I will have to go with him having a bad memory.
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I agree with most of things you said... except for one little thing.

Sitting in his comfy chair (and telling how iPad will bring everyone whole web), hasn't Steve Jobs opened a web page or two with big ugly holes where Flash animation was supposed to be?

Granted not as bad as tablet crashing on you, but still a mistake in planning and execution. But it's live event. These things happen. Even to Steve Jobs.

The question stands: was it planned, or not. 

I wouldn't put it past Steve to actually wave the fact iPad shunned Flash in the face of Adobe...

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If we were talking about Windows ME, or Windows 98, I might be able to agree, but this is 2013, Windows 7, and Windows 8 perform fine, so I will have to go with him having a bad memory.

Well, I haven't actually ran Windows 8 myself, I was "kind of" happy with Windows 7 on my mac though (hey, you gotta play those Windows games on a Windows).

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What Microsoft needs is someone with a passion for 'user experience'. They started with someone with a passion for bits&bytes (and with many misses, let's  not forget how much energy was spent on hopeless AI-like ventures and promises of cool stuff that was only vapour), Ballmer is a 'passion for money' type; user experience as just a way to make money. But it doesn't work purely like that. Most Microsoft's stuff isn't used for the experience, but because people have to. Maybe Xbox is the exception.

 

I mostly agree with you, but sadly "passion" never was within Microsoft DNA. I think SJ got the best overview of M$

 

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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post
Multiple computers now? Different story than before...


Nope.

 

Originally Posted by jfanning View Post
If we were talking about Windows ME, or Windows 98, I might be able to agree, but this is 2013, Windows 7, and Windows 8 perform fine, so I will have to go with him having a bad memory.

 

It happens daily; I'm bad, but I can remember daily.

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""...One Microsoft" realignment that views the company's product lineup "holistically, not as a set of islands." Ballmer said that the new Microsoft structure will allow "a more coherent message and family of product offerings."

You mean like Apple, you buffoon?
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