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Orders of magnitude? Really? Care to document that?

Okay, but you are not going to like it.

 

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/11/05/google-voice-search-siri-speed-test/

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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post
I suspect it's much the same reason why you, Gatorguy and DroidFTW wasted time adding your comments to the thread. Instead of criticising Apple and/or defending Google on an Apple forum, you could be making useful comments on Google forums to Google fans.

 

HOO-RAH. I love that you've kicked up the humor and snark as of late. Keep it up!

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<rant>

 

I've never said anything like any of the stuff that you posted so I'm not sure what you're talking about and I don't believe it's fair to create a strawman and then hold it against people.

 

That said, Tallest Skil approves of your 'increase in snark' as opposed to your normal, level headed posting, what does this tell you?  (that's rhetorical, btw)

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That said, Tallest Skil approves of your 'increase in snark' as opposed to your normal level headed posting, what does this tell you?  (that's rhetorical, btw)

 

Tells YOU folk to cut the crap and get out, dunnit? When the most level headed of us are fed up with your nonsense.

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Just more whining from the same person who insisted that Apple Maps was unusable - even after independent testing showed that it was just as good as Google Maps.

I don't think you'll find many people who thought Apple maps was very good when it first came out. Even Tim Cook acknowledged that it was sort of half baked. It might be fine now. I wouldn't know because I don't ever use it. It is sort of like once you have crappy service or a bad meal at a restaurant you never go back even if they put up a sign saying "Under New Management".

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It'd be great if she did more jokes like this for a broader range of topics, but used them DURING searches to mask transit times.

 

You could say, "I'd like 4,000 lattes to go." Siri would reply, "I miss Steve, too. Here are some cafés in your area." The first sentence done on-device while the location search is going on behind it.

I like it! That would be wonderful! I miss Stevo, too!

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I don't think you'll find many people who thought Apple maps was very good when it first came out. Even Tim Cook acknowledged that it was sort of half baked. It might be fine now. I wouldn't know because I don't ever use it. It is sort of like once you have crappy service or a bad meal at a restaurant you never go back even if they put up a sign saying "Under New Management".

I take your point...By all accounts, Maps was not very well realized at inception.

 

But, I still like be able to say to Siri an address and it just goes to Maps w/o any typing. Pretty much works for me every time.

 

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I don't think you'll find many people who thought Apple maps was very good when it first came out. Even Tim Cook acknowledged that it was sort of half baked. It might be fine now. I wouldn't know because I don't ever use it. It is sort of like once you have crappy service or a bad meal at a restaurant you never go back even if they put up a sign saying "Under New Management".

And I'm sure you never found any errors in Google Maps.

In any case, your rant sums up my experience with Android.
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If Siri was first updated to actually work more than 20% of the time?
Or maybe even to allow you to use Apple's own apps correctly (try changing the time of an appointment without siri making the new time become the location... yeah right, or choose the correct place to put a reminder among several lists instead of "the list by default").
It might then be more "cocky funny" than "just lame cocky".

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Orders of magnitude? Really? Care to document that?

Just more whining from the same person who insisted that Apple Maps was unusable - even after independent testing showed that it was just as good as Google Maps.

Gee, paying all the shills must cost Google a fortune.


Plase, jragosta... add "in the USA".

For most users, which means "in the world", which means "not limited to the USA", Apple Maps is like Siri. Not yet usable.

 

I don't doubt Apple will make it excellent, and we can see improvements regularly, but it's far from 'as good as google".

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And I'm sure you never found any errors in Google Maps.

 

I found a few errors in GMaps... Not as annoying as Apple Maps' still are. I would trust GMaps in a country I never went to. Apple Maps, not yet.

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And I'm sure you never found any errors in Google Maps.

In any case, your rant sums up my experience with Android.


I did find errors in Google Maps and I reported them - several times, but they were never fixed.

 

One being the location of the Apple Store in Fashion Island.

 

Google still points to the old location. Apple moved that store more than three years ago. Surprisingly when Apple maps was launched they also showed the incorrect location and I reported that as well. It was fixed within a week. I'm not arguing that there is one map better than the other but I'm comfortable with Google Maps and I found Apple Maps awkward when it first came out. I suppose you could say I prefer the familiarity of Google Maps and I also like that it is  on the desktop browser which I use a lot more than my iOS devices. I have turn by turn in all my vehicles so I don't need that feature.

 

The only time I even held an Android was to help a colleague try to get his email working, which was not at all intuitive as I recall.

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 Siri- beaters.

 

You find Siri's speed and functionality to be up to scratch?

 

If you do then your low standards are a mystery to me.  Yeah, I'll "beat" (srsly? siri-sly?) something if it's not good enough.

 

 

Too slow, too imprecise, too limited, and way too dependant on connectivity.

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I suspect it's much the same reason why you, Gatorguy and DroidFTW wasted time adding your comments to the thread. Instead of criticising Apple and/or defending Google on an Apple forum, you could be making useful comments on Google forums to Google fans. . .

When Samsung takes a swipe at Apple in their ads, it's ok but Apple does it in a much more subtle and humorous way and that's not ok? The reactions by some to the Samsung ads were that they were outdoing Apple and Apple's ads were lame and they had become Microsoft and Google was the new Apple. This is just Apple again showing that they haven't changed - they're the same people who left poems in the OS for people hacking it:

http://www.tuaw.com/2006/02/15/apple-seeks-poetic-justice/

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Marvin, poetry is lost in our world with little interest in the arts. John Martellaro at the MacObserver has penned an article on this subjext: How Apple’s Healthy Advertising Emotion Enraged One Critic ~ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/how-apples-healthy-ad-emotion-enraged-one-critic

It seems we have become a culture of all work and no play. Apple refuses such sorry paths to follow and some are enriched by their efforts. Apple naysayers, not so much, as you and others suggest.

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I've never said anything like any of the stuff that you posted so I'm not sure what you're talking about and I don't believe it's fair to create a strawman and then hold it against people.

I wasn't saying those are examples of things people have said, I'm just saying those are the nature of comments that are often made. If you want an example though:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/159139/youtube-for-ios-gets-multitasking-radical-fm-takes-on-pandora-with-pay-what-you-can-model#post_2383035

The point I was making is that if people don't understand why Apple adjusts Siri with replies like this, look at why people make comments like the above and you'll see why. Both are playing to their respective audiences. Apple is adding light-hearted comments into Siri for the benefit of Apple fans. Google puts out some jabs at Apple for their audience:

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/05/15/daniel-graf-takes-a-jab-at-apple-maps/

Generally people associate with whichever audience they feel the most comfortable in and not the one they feel the most comfortable attacking.
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Okay, but you are not going to like it.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/11/05/google-voice-search-siri-speed-test/

The real-world speed difference isn't all that dramatic (e.g 0.1s vs 1s isn't that big of a deal in this kind of context) except for a few instances and Google is just pushing everything through a Google search. Siri searches multiple sources and only when it finds nothing does it drop into a web search. Google clearly has the performance advantage in using a single source as well as the fact they have had to tune their search engine for many billions of users over a much longer period of time. I'm sure if their proprietary search engine code wasn't hidden away in their servers, they'd be happy for Apple to use it to improve their products without licensing it though.
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Marvin, poetry is lost in our world with little interest in the arts. John Martellaro at the MacObserver has penned an article on this subjext: How Apple’s Healthy Advertising Emotion Enraged One Critic ~ http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/how-apples-healthy-ad-emotion-enraged-one-critic

It seems we have become a culture of all work and no play. Apple refuses such sorry paths to follow and some are enriched by their efforts. Apple naysayers, not so much, as you and others suggest.

Unfortunately some people like to keep technology and the arts separate and don't respect the creative side as much. Jony Ive said that's one reason he liked living in the US because there was less cynicism towards that kind of thinking. Cynicism is useful in filtering out bad creations but not to prevent them.

On the subject of humorous messages, Google actually adds quirky messages to their products too. When the Youtube or Google search engine breaks (there are certain search formats that break it quite easily), it comes up with the monkey message:

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I wasn't saying those are examples of things people have said, I'm just saying those are the nature of comments that are often made. If you want an example though:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/159139/youtube-for-ios-gets-multitasking-radical-fm-takes-on-pandora-with-pay-what-you-can-model#post_2383035

 

I'm sorry if you felt that post was a jab at Apple.  It most certainly wasn't; I was just stating a fact.  Someone else mistook stock Android's UI for iOS7's UI, not me.  The look and feel of the latest YouTube update really is stock Android.  Google Now introduced "cards" awhile back and that's a huge part of the UI in the latest YouTube update.  The colors, icons, cards, etc. are all stock Android (the theme is known as Holo Theme Light).  Nowhere will you find in my post complaints of anyone copying anyone or anything of that nature.  I mearly corrected a forum poster who had made a seemingly honest mistake.


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The real-world speed difference isn't all that dramatic (e.g 0.1s vs 1s isn't that big of a deal in this kind of context) except for a few instances and Google is just pushing everything through a Google search.
 
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 I'm sure if their proprietary search engine code wasn't hidden away in their servers, they'd be happy for Apple to use it to improve their products without licensing it though.
 

Not subtle enough - I still got it.

 

I'm not a Google apologist. I just find super fast, accurate results better than slow, inaccurate results. It is not brain surgery. The original complaint was the usage of the phrase "orders of magnitude" so thanks for confirming that the difference is indeed a factor of ten.

 

If you noticed the video it showed Google was already starting the search before the voice request was finished just like they do when you start typing a request. Siri waits until she is sure you are done speaking and then repeats back what you said before launching into a search.


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Odd that you would read that as I'm the one taking Glass too seriously when my post was about Apple taking Glass too seriously.

But they don't take it seriously AT ALL. The replies Siri gives to "OK Glass" are meant to be funny. Since you interpret this as "LOL Apple is threatened!!!" it would appear that you are taking this too seriously. It's a joke reply to a joke question.

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Since you interpret this as "LOL Apple is threatened!!!"

 

That's an extremely poor interpretation of the post in which you were initially responding to in that it adds a level juvenility where there wasn't one.  Methinks I'm getting trolled.  1wink.gif

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Alas, the way SIRI Works is the recognition is done on the server, so SIRI wouldn't know you asked for 4,000 lattes until it heard back from the server. Maybe a future version of SIRI will do recognition on the device, and that will make it a lot more useful (you could more easily search your apps when not connected to the net, for instance.)

I think Glass is a joke-- it's a bluetooth headset with a camera and display. It's not actually a computer.

It's useless if you don't have a net connection. And who is going to talk to anyone wearing it?

.... knowing google's propensity for spying.
Well it takes milliseconds to get on ace ravage and it would double the O.S. space on it (1 parallel Siri function) for it, so Siri having this when each IOS device is better than current macs (in its important aspects) maybe they can actually have the low cost phone be with a small screen (2-3 inches) with someway of a onboard Siri for it where it's goal 30-40% manual, 60-70% Siri used. This could be cost effective
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If you noticed the video it showed Google was already starting the search before the voice request was finished just like they do when you start typing a request. Siri waits until she is sure you are done speaking and then repeats back what you said before launching into a search.

Google voice search on iOS enjoys the advantage of having to only search the web. Siri has to decide what function to perform first.


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That's an extremely poor interpretation of the post in which you were initially responding to in that it adds a level juvenility where there wasn't one.  Methinks I'm getting trolled.  1wink.gif

 

Methinks thou dost protest too much. 

WAY too much.

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If you noticed the video it showed Google was already starting the search before the voice request was finished just like they do when you start typing a request. Siri waits until she is sure you are done speaking and then repeats back what you said before launching into a search.

Google voice search on iOS enjoys the advantage of having to only search the web. Siri has to decide what function to perform first.

Which is why if you just want fast, pure search results and not some on device integration you should preface your requests as "Siri, search Google for the...". That would help speed it it up a little but still way short of Google speed. Plus in the example 2 pints to a quart, Google actually finds it fast and speaks it with large fonts as a confirmation. Siri just says here's what I found in tiny fonts.


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The original complaint was the usage of the phrase "orders of magnitude" so thanks for confirming that the difference is indeed a factor of ten.

Those numbers aren't from any tests, I was just stating that 0.1 vs 1 doesn't make a big difference in the context of an audio search. I picked the numbers based on the statement saying orders of magnitude. But thanks for confirming that you have no confirmation to back that statement up other than my example numbers that were based on your statement. 1wink.gif
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If you noticed the video it showed Google was already starting the search before the voice request was finished just like they do when you start typing a request. Siri waits until she is sure you are done speaking and then repeats back what you said before launching into a search.

Yeah if they uploaded words at a time, that could be faster in getting results back depending on how they parse the sentences. There's another test here that shows the strengths and weaknesses of both:



Not that conclusive IMO. People have this habit of saying one is completely superior to the other and it's actually the Google fans that do it more often. You can see in the Youtube comments the two highest ranked comments are:

"This is painful. She has no idea how google now works" - 38 votes
"Google over Apple any time of the day" - 37 votes

I don't get why the Google fans always go on about Apple fandom when it's not Apple users going to the Google forums or posting on blogs and videos upranking each others' comments.
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There's another test here that shows the strengths and weaknesses of both:

Wow that video is embarrassing. Google is so much better at nearly everything. She should have been using an iPhone for both as a control but holy smokes iPhone is a total dog in that comparison. The one thing that always bothered me is that Siri has no follow up context, which is demonstrated in the test. I had always heard that Siri did understand follow up questions but I could never get it to work. I guess I now know that she doesn't understand that type of conversational exchange

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I suspect it's much the same reason why you, Gatorguy and DroidFTW wasted time adding your comments to the thread. Instead of criticising Apple and/or defending Google on an Apple forum, you could be making useful comments on Google forums to Google fans. Comments like: 'hey do you like Google Glass, yeah I like Google Glass it's pointless but unique and new, did you search for things using Google, yeah I love searching for things, hey did you hear that Apple is suing, they suck 'cos everybody should be allowed to just take things from other people, no way they stole the notification panel, no way they stole some UI theme that looks nothing like it, that's not ok they can't steal, only we can steal except we don't steal anything - everything that Google has done was obvious, hey did you steal some apps today, yeah me and 50000 others'.
 

 

 

is it just me, or has a little bit of TS rubbed off on Marvin?

 

We need more replies like this!

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There's another test here that shows the strengths and weaknesses of both:




Wow that video is embarrassing. Google is so much better at nearly everything. She should have been using an iPhone for both as a control but holy smokes iPhone is a total dog in that comparison. The one thing that always bothered me is that Siri has no follow up context, which is demonstrated in the test. I had always heard that Siri did understand follow up questions but I could never get it to work. I guess I now know that she doesn't understand that type of conversational exchange



@mstone I am surprised at your response -- you are usually fair and reasoned, but you appear to have made up your mind in advance;

I agree that the Google tests should have been on an iPhone

To address what you found embarrassing about Siri:

You can ask Siri the conversational questions: "How tall is Barak Obama?" and "Where was he born?" and get the correct answers (including the map).

  

At the moment, I only have iOS 7 devices available, but I am sure that iOS 6 Siri had some conversational capability -- though, maybe not that particular combination. Maybe you are having problems with "conversations" in Siri because you use the home button -- that starts a new conversation. For follow-up questions, tap the microphone icon. I asked "how old is he" as a second follow-up and it worked fine.


With the "Schedule appointment command, Siri took an extra step because there were 3 records for the contact, Google scheduled the meeting but didn't include (or ask for the contact). Apparently the demonstrator didn't know that Siri will select a contact in the list by voice command. Here's what Siri does when she finds only 1 contact (you can "confirm" or "cancel" by voice, too):




And, pictures of the Eiffel Tower:




It appears as if Google has better speed (probably better searches, too) and some function advantages over Siri in some areas. In other situations, Siri appears faster or provides a more thorough/complete response or action... mas o menos.

I don't have Google Now on any of my devices because it doesn't provide enough advantages to offset the privacy adSpam hits!


And then, there's this:


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@mstone I am surprised at your response -- you are usually fair and reasoned, but you appear to have made up your mind in advance;

I agree that the Google tests should have been on an iPhone

To address what you found embarrassing about Siri:

You can ask Siri the conversational questions: "How tall is Barak Obama?" and "Where was he born?" and get the correct answers (including the map).

  

At the moment, I only have iOS 7 devices available, but I am sure that iOS 6 Siri had some conversational capability -- though, maybe not that particular combination.


With the "Schedule appointment command, Siri took an extra step because there were 3 records for the contact, Google scheduled the meeting but didn't include (or ask for the contact). Apparently the demonstrator didn't know that Siri will select a contact in the list by voice command. Here's what Siri does when she finds only 1 contact (you can "confirm" or "cancel" by voice, too):




And, pictures of the Eiffel Tower:




It appears as if Google has better speed (probably better searches, too) and some function advantages over Siri in some areas. In other situations, Siri appears faster or provides a more thorough/complete response or action... mas o menos.

I don't have Google Now on any of my devices because it doesn't provide enough advantages to offset the privacy adSpam hits

Hey, looks like you have stuff my Siri doesn't have... Could it be that Siri in the US has more features than in the rest of the world?

Would strengthen my former point about Apple Maps/Siri, I guess...

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"Play "your love" by Nicky Minaj" (...)"even though I know I have this song on my phone".

Well... shame on you girl. Probably Google Now doesn't want to embarrass you on TV?

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At the moment, I only have iOS 7 devices available, but I am sure that iOS 6 Siri had some conversational capability -- though, maybe not that particular combination.
Hey, looks like you have stuff my Siri doesn't have... Could it be that Siri in the US has more features than in the rest of the world?
Would strengthen my former point about Apple Maps/Siri, I guess...

Are you using iOS 7? As I mentioned, I don't have anything bit iOS 7 devices available... so your results could be different.
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Are you using iOS 7? As I mentioned, I don't have anything bit iOS 7 devices available... so your results could be different.

Yes, both on iPad and iPhone (but iPhone is 4, which means no Siri).

I'm going to test switching Siri to "American English" and see if it changes anything...

 

Well,the test is pretty conclusive. Siri's abilities depend on the language you're using. US English gives me Wolfram Alpha answers, French gives me Wikipedia instead. Frustrating...

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Are you using iOS 7? As I mentioned, I don't have anything bit iOS 7 devices available... so your results could be different.
Yes, both on iPad and iPhone (but iPhone is 4, which means no Siri).
I'm going to test switching Siri to "American English" and see if it changes anything...

Well,the test is pretty conclusive. Siri's abilities depend on the language you're using. US English gives me Wolfram Alpha answers, French gives me Wikipedia instead. Frustrating...

Mmm... That's odd.

Like you, all my Siri capable devices have been upgraded to iOS 7.

I also wonder whether it depends on your current location.

I have a mapping app that I have been playing around with in Xcode. When you debug an app on the device you can set the location in Xcode. Later, I'll check that out and see if it changes how Siri works.
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Mmm... That's odd.

Like you, all my Siri capable devices have been upgraded to iOS 7.

I also wonder whether it depends on your current location.

I have a mapping app that I have been playing around with in Xcode. When you debug an app on the device you can set the location in Xcode. Later, I'll check that out and see if it changes how Siri works.

Seems an interesting experiment.

I am wondering if it could be a UX issue (like, no integration with Pandora since Pandora is US-only, it would be very bad UX to fire up a tool that refuses to launch, obviously). Maybe Wolfram integration from French/whatever is too hard for Siri's server for now, since it means correctly getting the phonems, which Siri does fine, then getting the meaning, which Siri mostly does fine, then switching it to US english to query Wolfram, then translating the answer form US English to French/whatever?

I believe Apple would rather remove functionality than offer broken functionality...

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post #74 of 92
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On the subject of humorous messages, Google actually adds quirky messages to their products too. When the Youtube or Google search engine breaks (there are certain search formats that break it quite easily), it comes up with the monkey message:

 

French accent in that video, for sure ^^'

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post #75 of 92
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Not subtle enough - I still got it.

 

I'm not a Google apologist. I just find super fast, accurate results better than slow, inaccurate results. It is not brain surgery. The original complaint was the usage of the phrase "orders of magnitude" so thanks for confirming that the difference is indeed a factor of ten.

 

If you noticed the video it showed Google was already starting the search before the voice request was finished just like they do when you start typing a request. Siri waits until she is sure you are done speaking and then repeats back what you said before launching into a search.

I find Apple's solution actually better on that. In many languages, the end of the sentence can massively modify the meaning.

"What ruler was exiled in Saint-helena and died there?" is Napoleon.

"What ruler was exiled in Saint-Helena and returned after seven years?" is the king of Zulu...

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post #76 of 92

Adobe's Flash player also has a "stats for nerds" menu item.

Humor's not incompatible with software. What's annoying is humor replacing features, but in Adobe's case... well whatever.

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post #77 of 92
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I find Apple's solution actually better on that. In many languages, the end of the sentence can massively modify the meaning.

"What ruler was exiled in Saint-helena and died there?" is Napoleon.

"What ruler was exiled in Saint-Helena and returned after seven years?" is the king of Zulu...

Agreed, however in your example there are three significant keywords before the final refinement. In the case of contextual search, Google has already narrowed the result set down to a few dozen possibilities before the end of the sentence is reached, where as Siri will wait until the completion of the sentence and then start searching Wolfgram, Wikipedia, Yelp and finally some search engine. The speed difference is noticeable due to serial versus parallel processing.

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Agreed, however in your example there are three significant keywords before the final refinement. In the case of contextual search, Google has already narrowed the result set down to a few dozen possibilities before the end of the sentence is reached, where as Siri will wait until the completion of the sentence and then start searching Wolfgram, Wikipedia, Yelp and finally some search engine. The speed difference is noticeable due to serial versus parallel processing.

I see your point indeed!

Thanks for the clear explanation ^^

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post #79 of 92
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You can ask Siri the conversational questions: "How tall is Barak Obama?" and "Where was he born?" and get the correct answers (including the map).
 

Definitely doesn't work in iOS 6.

 

I tried it with Michael Jordan,

 

Siri got his height correct but had no clue what I was talking about when I asked where he was born. What is worse, is when I asked what team Michael Jordan played on, she gave me the soccer scores between Jordan and Oman.

 

On the other hand Google got it right.

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I suspect it's much the same reason why you, Gatorguy and DroidFTW wasted time adding your comments to the thread. Instead of criticising Apple and/or defending Google on an Apple forum, you could be making useful comments on Google forums to Google fans.

You follow my comments fairly close Marvin, and as I've recently seen you're quite cognizant of the past comments I've made. IMO that's a good thing for a moderator by the way, makes it faster to do the job. Thus you're no doubt aware that as a rule I don't introduce Google into a discussion. I, and everyone else for that matter, do respond to invitations to comment extended by articles where Google is the subject as this one is... and there are a whole lot of'em, pretty much on a daily basis. Otherwise unless another forum member has brought up Google first, or the subject matter wasn't Google to begin with, I don't generally mention them either.

As you should know I'm certainly not anti-Apple and you'd expend a lot of time finding even a half-dozen instances in 7000+ posts where I've been overtly critical of Apple, fairly or otherwise. I didn't declare the iPad a failure, suggest the iPhone isn't innovative enough, claim Apple steals IP, deem Apple guilty of anti-trust violations before a case was even heard, suggest Apple uses unfair patent strategies to negate competition nor any other specifically "anti-Apple" theme that's ascribed to "haters".

If you consider the above to be true then the "criticising" part you seem offended by doesn't apply to me, and the "defending Google" (who I've also been known to critisize on occasion as tho there's not already plenty of it) is held generally to the numerous Google topics, or at least as replies to another member who has inserted them into the conversation.

A forum is supposed to be a venue for exchange of ideas and views on a posted subject is it not, so surely you aren't suggesting that only one point of view represents the whole truth and only one side of an issue makes a discussion.

EDIT: To be clear I'm not at all questioning motives. I replied only because I was surprised and confused by being singled out for what I consider inapplicable criticism.
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