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With Chief Executive Steve Ballmer set to retire and Microsoft undergoing major structural changes, employees at the software giant are said to be spooked, sparking concern that retaining current workers could be a challenge.

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Microsoft is looking to reassure workers who may be concerned over a number of major changes recently instituted at the company, according to Bloomberg. Most significantly among those is the forthcoming departure of Ballmer, who unexpectedly announced last week that he intends to retire within the next year.

Ballmer's announcement arrived just weeks after the CEO revealed a major corporate realignment at Microsoft aimed at making the company more adaptable to a rapidly changing tech market led by companies like Apple and Google. And now with a new CEO set to take over Microsoft in the next 12 months, it's unclear whether the sweeping changes instituted by Ballmer will remain in place, or if a new leader could change course yet again.

Tuesday's report revealed that some executives at Microsoft unhappy with the recent changes could leave the company once their stock grants and bonuses are awarded at the end of August. Sensing unease among Microsoft workers, rival tech companies are also reportedly stepping up their efforts to recruit personnel who may be looking to exit the Windows maker.

In an effort to calm those concerns, members of the Microsoft senior leadership team reportedly e-mailed staff last Friday, the same day of Ballmer's announcement, to affirm their commitment to the corporate restructuring plan currently in place. The new "One Microsoft" will focus on devices and services, and aims to encourage greater collaboration between departments.

Publicly, Microsoft's board of directors have also stated they are committed to Ballmer's restructuring plan, even after the current CEO retires. But Microsoft has seen a number of high-profile personnel depart the company in recent months, including Xbox chief Don Mattrick and Windows head Steven Sinofsky.
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Wait a minute... Why would somebody voluntarily stay under Ballmer and leave on the good news? Something wrong with the water in Redmond?

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Wait a minute... Why would somebody voluntarily stay under Ballmer and leave on the good news? Something wrong with the water in Redmond?

Bingo, my exact thought. In fact I'd think people who left already would be asking if they can now come back!

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Apple...please don't consider hiring an of those ex-Zune or Surface designers! Lol
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Where are they going to go if they work up in Redmond? Nintendo? They are separated from the rest of the world if they work in Washington. It's not like there's a ton of other high tech companies that can slip into.
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Ha! Microsoft can't guarantee that a new CEO will hold to the restructuring done by Steve Bozo if they want a CEO worth his/her salt. You either put the new guy in charge or he won't take the job. He/She has a lot of changing to do or you'll see the same Clown Posse results going forward. 

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Oh please, please, can we start calling Microsoft "beleaguered" now? Can we, can we?
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With their current ranking system, I would never work for Microsoft. If that goes away, I'd be much much more inclined to stay if I worked there.
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Oh please, please, can we start calling Microsoft "beleaguered" now? Can we, can we?

Superb ... ROFL I spilled my coffee when I read that ...
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'rival tech companies'?

Who on earth would want ex-MS employees?

Maybe that's harsh. I'm sure the employees themselves are capable, it was just that the company as a whole they missed so many opportunities, lacked vision and execution.
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Apple...please don't consider hiring an of those ex-Zune or Surface designers! Lol

 

 

 

Bill Gates and his partners are flimflamming America. (1995)

 — Ray Bradbury

 

 

The FlimFlam man qualified himself with an honorary degree: Mordecai Jones M.B.S. C.S D.D.

 

*Master of Back-Stabbin', Cork-Screwin' and Dirty-Dealin'

 

This is the training MS alumni understands.

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If I understand Microsofts performance evaluations it probably goes something like this, employees are graded as follows and during a reorg the employees who may become concerned are the ones at the 2- and 3 levels because those are the ones that get let go first, all things being equal Level 1 Consistently exceeds results/metrics and expectations. Creates or takes advantage of important opportunities. Level 2+ Regularly exceeds most results/metrics and expectations. Job scope is greater relative to Category 2 or 2- performers. Level 2 This employee is fully qualified with sufficient depth of knowledge and breadth of experience to perform the job. Level 2- Meets results/metrics and expectations, however, may not be able handle some aspects of the job compared to the "benchmark." Level 3 Falls short meeting most results/metrics, and expectations. Generally about 10% of the employees fall into the level 1. 80% at level 2, and another 10% at level 3 so its easy to cut 10% deadwood out pretty quickly without very much loss.
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I almost choked .... and I'd like to add we please not call Apple "Doomed" anymore please
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Microsoft is looking to reassure workers...

 

 

Wait, I've seen this before with company's, they want to "reassure" you so you stay so they can fire your back side later in the "restructuring"... they also don't want everyone jumping ship at once so that the numbers jumping as well as the numbers let go in the "restructuring" don't make them look bad and drop their stock price.

 

Either way... never believe a "reassurance" e-mail. The company only has their interest at heart, not you as an employee. Period.

 

My advice to all ms's employee's.... get out now before the ship sinks. With the dev's getting upset about the 8.1 release, it's only a matter of time before most of those dev's drop windows and move on to other OS's to release their programs on.

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They should hire Scott Forstall so he can skeuomorph Windows.

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Slightly off topic I know, but his eyes in this picture. I cannot but help thinking back to Stargate SG1, & think there is something about the Goa'uld in those the eyes. lol.gif

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Those workers should have been spooked when Vista, Zune, Surface and Windows 8 failed.

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With their current ranking system, I would never work for Microsoft. If that goes away, I'd be much much more inclined to stay if I worked there.

Yeah it doesn't sound like a very good system:

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/08/microsoft_ceo_steve_ballmer_retires_a_firsthand_account_of_the_company_s.html

Imagine what would happen if the company actually just folded over the next few years and left 1 billion or so PC users out on a limb. PC manufacturers would have to start resorting to using another OS. A lot of people would migrate to the Mac if that happened but it would be entertaining to see what replaced Windows as the OS of choice.
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I prefer the Microsoft trolling stories over the Apple trolling stories.

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Those workers should have been spooked when Vista, Zune, Surface and Windows 8 failed.

 

Don't forget the Kin

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Slightly off topic I know, but his eyes in this picture. I cannot but help thinking back to Stargate SG1, & think there is something about the Goa'uld in those the eyes. lol.gif

Reminds me of CEO of the Damned except his brick wall is a Zune wall.lol.gif

 
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drblank

"Where are they going to go if they work up in Redmond? Nintendo? They are separated from the rest of the world if they work in Washington. It's not like there's a ton of other high tech companies that can slip into."

 

More than a few options.

 

 

 

A few computer jobs at that little Airplane plant too. 

 


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More than a few options.

Sorry, not sure what you were replying / commenting on ...?
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Ballmer was just the hatchet, for the Wizard/Puppet Master behind the curtain, Billy Boy. He never left, and he's picking the new CEO. Watch.....

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drblank

"Where are they going to go if they work up in Redmond? Nintendo? They are separated from the rest of the world if they work in Washington. It's not like there's a ton of other high tech companies that can slip into."

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MS really are dossed at the moment.
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Wait a minute... Why would somebody voluntarily stay under Ballmer and leave on the good news? Something wrong with the water in Redmond?

Yeah, I thought I read a recent rumor that Xbox VP J Allard might come back because Don Mattrick has departed.

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Ballmer was just the hatchet, for the Wizard/Puppet Master behind the curtain, Billy Boy. He never left, and he's picking the new CEO. Watch.....
I hope I am not wrong, but I think Mr. Ballsillie is still looking for a new opportunity to mess around...

I think he's the man!
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Will the media describe Microsoft as "beleaguered? "
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They should hire Scott Forstall so he can skeuomorph Windows.

Screwmorph, you mean.
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With Chief Executive Steve Ballmer set to retire and Microsoft undergoing major structural changes, employees at the software giant are said to be spooked, sparking concern that retaining current workers could be a challenge..

Nah. They have it under control.

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More than a few options.

 

  • ... quite a few ...

 

Yeah, "Intellectual Vultures" sounds about right 1wink.gif

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@drblank what are you talking about?

Facebook, Google, Amazon, Ebay, Zillow, Tableau, DocuSign, Expedia, probably a few dozen more big name companies, and a crap ton of consultancies all in the great Puget Sound.
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@drblank what are you talking about?

Facebook, Google, Amazon, Ebay, Zillow, Tableau, DocuSign, Expedia, probably a few dozen more big name companies, and a crap ton of consultancies all in the great Puget Sound.

Stay away from Boeing. I don't want the blue screen of death to become the blue screen of OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE.

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Yeah it doesn't sound like a very good system:

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/08/microsoft_ceo_steve_ballmer_retires_a_firsthand_account_of_the_company_s.html

Imagine what would happen if the company actually just folded over the next few years and left 1 billion or so PC users out on a limb. PC manufacturers would have to start resorting to using another OS. A lot of people would migrate to the Mac if that happened but it would be entertaining to see what replaced Windows as the OS of choice.

 

If MS folded, Bill and Steve could go back to producing vaporware like they were doing in the late '80s. Microsoft was the king of vaporware!!! 

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Either way... never believe a "reassurance" e-mail. The company only has their interest at heart, not you as an employee. Period.

 

 

Remember, you are not a person within a large company. To make it easy to cut you lose and duck walk you to the side door, you are a "Human Resource" in their eyes. You are "overhead" made to be controlled, if needed, a liability on the books that reduces profit, something to be outsourced if needed. 

 

Merely a mushroom to be kept in the dark, fed reassuring horse shit, and canned when you're ripe. 

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If I understand Microsofts performance evaluations it probably goes something like this, employees are graded as follows and during a reorg the employees who may become concerned are the ones at the 2- and 3 levels because those are the ones that get let go first, all things being equal Level 1 Consistently exceeds results/metrics and expectations. Creates or takes advantage of important opportunities. Level 2+ Regularly exceeds most results/metrics and expectations. Job scope is greater relative to Category 2 or 2- performers. Level 2 This employee is fully qualified with sufficient depth of knowledge and breadth of experience to perform the job. Level 2- Meets results/metrics and expectations, however, may not be able handle some aspects of the job compared to the "benchmark." Level 3 Falls short meeting most results/metrics, and expectations. Generally about 10% of the employees fall into the level 1. 80% at level 2, and another 10% at level 3 so its easy to cut 10% deadwood out pretty quickly without very much loss.

 

This is relatively correct, but totally overlooks the review process at the conclusion of a project. One person needs to be ranked outstanding and one needs to be ranked at the bottom. The one at the bottom is likely to be let go. So, each day you go to work knowing that you are really competing with everyone on your team. So, instead of working together each person is trying to look good at your expense as well as everyone else's expense. The project results is less important then your own political life, so the project inches forward, each day you are employed another day, each day you gain or lose along with your team mates. At some point you realize you have been relegated to the "goat" of the group... You're the guy in the red shirt that is beamed down with Kirk and Scotty... you're toast... you've been written out of the script... friendzoned...

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Slightly off topic I know, but his eyes in this picture. I cannot but help thinking back to Stargate SG1, & think there is something about the Goa'uld in those the eyes. lol.gif
I can see that, but to me he has those crazy eyes like that run away bride Jennifer Wilbamks.
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If I understand Microsofts performance evaluations it probably goes something like this, employees are graded as follows and during a reorg the employees who may become concerned are the ones at the 2- and 3 levels because those are the ones that get let go first, all things being equal Level 1 Consistently exceeds results/metrics and expectations. Creates or takes advantage of important opportunities. Level 2+ Regularly exceeds most results/metrics and expectations. Job scope is greater relative to Category 2 or 2- performers. Level 2 This employee is fully qualified with sufficient depth of knowledge and breadth of experience to perform the job. Level 2- Meets results/metrics and expectations, however, may not be able handle some aspects of the job compared to the "benchmark." Level 3 Falls short meeting most results/metrics, and expectations. Generally about 10% of the employees fall into the level 1. 80% at level 2, and another 10% at level 3 so its easy to cut 10% deadwood out pretty quickly without very much loss.

Yeah companies and HR are screw up on this whole topic. I worked for a start up back in the 90's (very successful one) and the company purposely went out an hire the best people and paid them very well. It grew to the level of about 1500 people in 5 yrs and they went out and hire a VP of HR since we were a "big company" now. The first thing this idiot did was make the management rank all the employees. Everyone was rank at the top of the scale as you would expect base on the hiring practice. The HR VP said that was not allow since some people had to be rank in bottom 10% to 20% which in turned meant they would not be eligible for raises, bonuses and stock options. Needless to say this did not fly too well especially when the founders found out, and considering they had a hand in hiring most of the employees. The founders put an end to it really quick and fired the VP of HR shortly afterwards.

 

Today I work at another big company and they use the same forces ranking system and it turns in to who can maligned the other manager's employee the most. The idea is to knock everyone else down so you do not have to go back and tell your team they are not getting raises or bonus because their peers ranked them lower than everyone else. Also companies use these ranking systems when layoffs happen. If it is an across the board layoff then the lower 10% get hit. But, what I have seen especially in company which are struggling like RIM or Motorola who were loaded with top talent at one time after they get rid of the bottom 10% the first time they begin to cut into the bone and brain matter since the keep cutting into the lower 10% as the move up the scale. Even if they meant to keep the top 10% to 20% they begin leaving on their own since they do not want to be around a place like that.

 

My personal belief is, once a competitive high tech company begins using these ranking systems and then half to lay people off it the beginning of the end. It happen to Apple back in the 90's and it was just luck steve came back and stop it all and turned it around. Steve recognized talent over someone's ability to fit into the normal of these employee ranking systems, Steve would get rid of the brown nosers who was only doing the right things to get ranked higher over the person who could care less what other thought but did great work.


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