Originally Posted by hfts
Apple has a large enough of an Eco system without the "help" from google,
What can google provide that Apple or 3rd parties cannot?
Hmmm. Dunno quite how to break this to you delicately, chief, but, uhhh, Google and DropBox are.... ....long-time key Apple "3rd party developers." The kind who add versatility and depth to Apple's developer ecosystem....
...and one key thing (if not THE key thing) that system does is keep Apple interconnected with the rest of the digital world... ...something they don't devote a lot of resources to themselves, as their evolution is all about creating synergy between their own devices and services.... ....so something they're smart enough to allow (and have been moving to allow more of) if not do themselves.
Originally Posted by hfts
Yes I know this, but you actually confirmed what I mentioned earlier, why is Apple helping google?
If google makes 80% of its revenue from Apple.
Surely people can use the stock iOS apps or use alternatives.
There are many whom defend Apple against google on this site, if they use google products then that is contradictory.
...The argument about strategic "co-opetition" goes on and on, but Apple arguably wouldn't have survived its dark days without the agreement with Bill Gates that (among other provisions) included keeping then arch-rival and private enemy #1's MS Office on the Mac.
I would never consider another Apple product if my only doc saving option was .pages, if I couldn't use gMail, couldn't communicate or work those who insist on basing themselves in Google Docs, couldn't run Spotify, couldn't use DropBox and SugarSync, couldn't run FireFox across Win and Mac environments,
Imagine if you couldn't message or call anyone outside of Verizon's or ATT's phone system customers, had to deal with incompatible tightly-patented image file formats for Nikons, Canons, Panasonic, etc. cameras, had to learn a whole new way of driving to use a Toyota instead of a Ford, etc.
Fracking Tower of Babel is all that'd be.
And in the example of the car companies, consider their fuel systems. Not even diesel cars have ever taken off in the US. And the lack of a common, wide-spread fueling infrastructure is one of the factors holding back the uptake of alternate vehicles like electrics, natural gas, etc.
And while I'm interested in touch as an "on-demand" feature in future MacBooks, wouldn't be buying a new one of those this fall without being able to use VMWare or Parallels as I consolidate my two machine strategy into one - something I can't easily with a non-touch, non-Apple notebook.
Meanwhile, there is an example of a company who's kept trying the "our way or the highway/go it alone/you need only us" approach over and over - and fails over and over - to the point they're way diminished as a serious player in many industries they could have been leaders in - or at least still relevant - with a simple "and/or" approach: Sony.
I'm so happy I chose to write all those music files in .mp3 rather than "Atracs" format way back when.
It's not the company with the best toys (or best OS or best whatever) who necessarily wins, but the one that's the most useful (and hint: interoperability is a huge factor in "useful"), solves the most user problems (dittor), and gives real reasons not to HAVE to go with other companies to work in the real world for something they may need that doesn't happen to be an Apple product.
After many Cupertino lurches into being too exclusive, I for one, am encouraged about Apple's long-term prospects by their "realpolitik" pragmatism in recent years. In fact, I'd like to see more, as iTunes for Windows is exactly what introduced me to the Apple computing metaphor and got me to buy my first Mac. So I hope iWorks in the Cloud will integrate with Windows and on any class of device where Apple has competitors, e.g., Android.
Zealots can go pound all the sand they like, but truly this is an industry and set of markets. Not a religion.