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post #41 of 112
Oh please. The notion that Samsung 'taking the wind out of Apple's sails' is bogus.

There is more separating these phones that a fingerprint sensor. Few buyers are going to pick that one piece as the deciding factor over general design and specs, operating system, availability of support etc.

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post #42 of 112
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If true, this just means that now we can give Samsung the Finger!

Fingers crossed!

post #43 of 112

Maybe the Note 3 will include a fingerprint scanner and maybe it will be utter crap or maybe it won't include one at all. But let's wait and see the actual product before we make such pronouncements. It is not like we have to rely on rumors for long since it will be released today. My worry is that it might be inferior but will be perceived as simply "good enough" to the general public. Few Galaxy Note buyers have ever been iPhone customers so this won't really effect sales very much. People that want a a screen that large would never consider a 4" iPhone no matter what other features it includes. The main selling point for a Note 3 will be the screen size and not fingerprint scanner. 

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Like iPhone antenna and maps?

 

They sold millions of iPhone 4 units, so clearly the antenna worked. And notice how the maps issue has disappeared too.  Maps worked form many out of the box.

post #45 of 112
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Another stupid article.

So what if samesung releases a fingerprint sensor. It's not like finger print sensors have never been deployed on mobile devices before.

The idea that somehow Apple's success comes from being the only ones to implement a technology. When it's a brand new tech that Apple invented, yes.

But for fingerprint sensors?

Whose writing this site these days? "Boy Genius" report?

 

It's not the fingerprint sensor that's important.

 

It's the fact that Apple can get over 100Million Credit Cards in its Apple Store 'Fingerprint Protected' over the course of the next year, and potentially, a billion in 5 years (if we all eventually buy a new iPhone/iPad/MBA).

 

Samsung doesn't have that payer database.... and they likely don't want to just give Their tech to a carrier or Google, and if they do the chain of 'security' starts to dissolve.

 

'trusted device'

'trusted os'

'trusted identity'

'Trusted Transaction Protocol'

'Trusted backend Payment System'

 

Only Apple can deliver all 5 of those.   Any combination of less, and it's no more secure than looking at a drivers license and a credit card and assuming that both are valid, because they look to agree with each other and the face of the person presenting them.

 

Samsung isn't the worry.  At least not at the end game (make 5-30% of  every non-cash retail transaction.  Everywhere.)

 

Amazon is.  PayPal/Ebay a close 3rd.

post #46 of 112
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It's pretty well documented how Authentec's technology is purported to work.   It's hard to fake a 3D fingerprint.

 

 

Agreed the fingerprint should be part of the authentication

1) The device Identifier should be paired with the AppleID, and should have a password to marry the 2

2) the fingerprint then verifies to the device that the person is who they say they are

3) the combo platter to external internet applications get Identity(device, password (app specific... from keychain), fingerprint)... if any 2 of  the 3 don't match, then raise alerts.

 

The key item is that the iOS device becomes a token, that is smart enough to take 2 forms of authentication.   It's hard not to miss your IOS device, and if it requires a fingerprint scan at the time of a fraudulent purpose... it's even harder not to miss your finger(s);-)

 

But,  I am waiting for the first iPhone plus finger amputation theft.

 

Not to dispute that it'll be harder to duplicate, but I seem to recall a couple of research scientists making fake fingers with fingerprints by melting gummy bears and pouring into rubber gloves for the form. Granted, getting a potential victim to willingly give up their used rubber gloves might prove a leeeetle difficult :) (hey, I didn't say the experiment was practical, just that it appears to have worked.)

 

Found a link : http://cryptome.org/gummy.htm

post #47 of 112
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It is now 5 PM in Berlin, at what time were they planning to announce?

 

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OK.  They plan to announce at 12 noon ET.  (9:00 am PT)

 

This is the link for their live transmission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaBP1zLZBzY

 

I have a big bag of peanuts :D

post #48 of 112
Samsung is not able of "taking some wind out of the next iPhone's sales..."

The next new state of the art iPhone is not going to suffer if Samsung does a Korean copy of Authentec's ideas in one piece of a very complex iPhone which I am guessing will set the standard for excellence once again in all areas, hardware, software, integration, ease of single-handed use!
post #49 of 112
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post
 

 

It's not the fingerprint sensor that's important.

 

It's the fact that Apple can get over 100Million Credit Cards in its Apple Store 'Fingerprint Protected' over the course of the next year, and potentially, a billion in 5 years (if we all eventually buy a new iPhone/iPad/MBA).

 

Samsung doesn't have that payer database.... and they likely don't want to just give Their tech to a carrier or Google, and if they do the chain of 'security' starts to dissolve.

 

'trusted device'

'trusted os'

'trusted identity'

'Trusted Transaction Protocol'

'Trusted backend Payment System'

 

Only Apple can deliver all 5 of those.   Any combination of less, and it's no more secure than looking at a drivers license and a credit card and assuming that both are valid, because they look to agree with each other and the face of the person presenting them.

 

Samsung isn't the worry.  At least not at the end game (make 5-30% of  every non-cash retail transaction.  Everywhere.)

 

Amazon is.  PayPal/Ebay a close 3rd.

 

I think you made some great points. Apple will be able to offer all parts of the Trusted platform. Having said that I don't see payment by phone over actually just using your credit card catching on very soon unless several things fall into place. All my credit cards for example are cash back cards. They offer promotions like 5% cash back on gas for certain periods. They also offer an additional one year extended warranty on anything I buy. Unless I can keep getting those nice benefits by tying those cards to my iPhone I would be an idiot to pay with my phone if I stopped getting as much cash back or stopped getting an extended 1 year warranty. I am not sure how they will implement credit card payments on an iPhone but that is certainly something to take into account. 

post #50 of 112
Surprised the headline didn't end in "...as fingerprint war heats up."

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post #51 of 112
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Not to dispute that it'll be harder to duplicate, but I seem to recall a couple of research scientists making fake fingers with fingerprints by melting gummy bears and pouring into rubber gloves for the form. Granted, getting a potential victim to willingly give up their used rubber gloves might prove a leeeetle difficult :) (hey, I didn't say the experiment was practical, just that it appears to have worked.)

 

Found a link : http://cryptome.org/gummy.htm

 

It would still be difficult to go though multiple layers of skin on a lifted print... by default it would be missing information on other layers not lifted.

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post #52 of 112
Originally Posted by mercury99 View Post
Like iPhone antenna and maps?

 

Okay, why would you WANT to look like an idiot? Answer that.

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post #53 of 112
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While I read every rumor about what Apple is doing, I hate that these kind of leaks have allowed their competition to focus on beating them at whatever they are planning before they ever announce it. I hope the move more production to the US. The only device they have been able to keep quiet is the New Mac Pro.

 

Yeah move production to the USA, and have the cost of iPhones go up :) No thank you. 

post #54 of 112
What Samsung doesn't know, now that they've rushed their undercooked fingerprint technology to market and sitting back with a smirk, is that Apple is planning on releasing DNA technology.

That's right, Apple users will lick their iPhones and a DNA analyzer will confirm a match to unlock. It can't be tricked as the DNA must be fresh.

Alternately, for customers who don't care to lick their phones, a retina scanner version of the phone will be available featuring a high quality front facing camera capable of registering the microscopic details. This will be known as the "eyePhone".
post #55 of 112
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This is the link for their live transmission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaBP1zLZBzY

 

I have a big bag of peanuts :D

 

Wo never knew they did live streaming of there shows. Ill watch to see what's up there sleeves too. thanks

post #56 of 112
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Like iPhone antenna and maps?

 

My iPhone 4's antenna and maps work perfectly.

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post #57 of 112
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The key "feature" will be reliability. To date fingerprint sensors have been notoriously unreliable. Andy Ihnatko has been hammering away on this point on the MacBreak Weekly podcast. It has to always work on the first swipe and it has to be completely reliable. If not, most people will simply turn the feature off after a few tries. Who can be bothered swiping their finger two or three times to unlock their phone. If Apple has this truly nailed then it could be huge. If not then it will just be another tech spec that goes ignored and unused.

Absolutely agree: with access there's going to be very little tolerance (read none) for a glitchy implementation. Thankfully given the need for backup for gloves etc. this would be something that can be turned off were it to prove glitchy with no real performance harm. 

post #58 of 112
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Originally Posted by Dave MacLachlan View Post
 

 

Not to dispute that it'll be harder to duplicate, but I seem to recall a couple of research scientists making fake fingers with fingerprints by melting gummy bears and pouring into rubber gloves for the form. Granted, getting a potential victim to willingly give up their used rubber gloves might prove a leeeetle difficult :) (hey, I didn't say the experiment was practical, just that it appears to have worked.)

 

Found a link : http://cryptome.org/gummy.htm

That's why the newer security tech reads more than the simple surface pattern.

post #59 of 112
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Oh please. The notion that Samsung 'taking the wind out of Apple's sails' is bogus.

There is more separating these phones that a fingerprint sensor. Few buyers are going to pick that one piece as the deciding factor over general design and specs, operating system, availability of support etc.

You have missed the point, then, and you must not be paying attention to the main focus of Samsung's marketing (which is to claim superiority in the quantity of features, not necessarily the quality). I am not convinced that a fingerprint reader is all that compelling to the average buyer anyway, but that would not be the point of Samsung including one.
post #60 of 112
Samsung will push out old finger tech to confuse it with Apple's new finger tech.

Just more of Samsung being little turds.
post #61 of 112

Lol watching the samsung event.. They start up with an Orchestra playing music. Lol, trying to set the mood here I see.

post #62 of 112

Oh no!

Another company rushes a hack solution to market ahead of an Apple announcement so that they can claim that they did it first.

Unheard of!

http://seattletimes.com/html/microsoftpri0/2010709221_nyt_steve_ballmer_will_announce_a_new_tablet_from.html

post #63 of 112

When you do a little research in Validity's fingerprint reader, it APPEARS to be a LOT like Authentec's technology at least at the hardware level.  They both purport to use RF to "read" the skin layer(s) beneath the dead exterior fingerprint.  Validity's devices all seem to be swipe readers while Authentec's appeared to have sufficient resolution to NOT require reading a large area of the finger to get a unique biometric signature. This HIGH imaging resolution was one of the key items noted about the Authentec technology when Apple purchased them.  Now how these two companies could diverge significantly is the software that handles the electronic signature and that would be where Apple typically shines.  

 

Regardless, IF the competition has teamed up with Validity, they would seem to be in the same general game as what Apple is purported to be readying for rollout, rather than some very lame, craptastic reader as seen in other devices.

 

And finally, as has been pointed out, Apple has a MASSIVE infrastructure and millions of credit-card-on-file clients already in place with iTunes that could easily be expanded to things OUTSIDE of Apple purchases, which is something ALL the competition lacks at the moment.

post #64 of 112
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When you do a little research in Validity's fingerprint reader, it APPEARS to be a LOT like Authentec's technology at least at the hardware level.  They both purport to use RF to "read" the skin layer(s) beneath the dead exterior fingerprint.  Validity's devices all seem to be swipe readers while Authentec's appeared to have sufficient resolution to NOT require reading a large area of the finger to get a unique biometric signature. This HIGH imaging resolution was one of the key items noted about the Authentec technology when Apple purchased them.  Now how these two companies could diverge significantly is the software that handles the electronic signature and that would be where Apple typically shines.  

Regardless, IF the competition has teamed up with Validity, they would seem to be in the same general game as what Apple is purported to be readying for rollout, rather than some very lame, craptastic reader as seen in other devices.

That might be true - if we didn't have years of history showing that Samsung/Android rarely produces high quality products. "Barely functional" is standard in that world.
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post #65 of 112
Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

The source does not explain why Samsung did not roll out the technology with its much more popular Galaxy S4 flagship's debut earlier this year ...

 

Because Samsung didn't have time to mash up a bad imitation of the AuthenTec technology and jam it into the S4.

 

 

Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Apple purchased AuthenTec, developer of a Smart Sensor technology, last year, and has reportedly been working that sensor technology into the next iPhone. 

 

And, incidentally, Apple also acquired all of AuthenTec's sensor technology patents.

So yeah, maybe that's the real reason why Samsung didn't try putting fingerprint recognition into the S4.

Why risk an injunction on your bread-and-butter iPhone clone?

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post #66 of 112

Its a pathetic show.

They unveiled the Note 3 (NO FINGER PRINT SCANNERS ON IT).

 

The Watch, was exactly like what was shown earlier. Total Crap..

 

Here are some screen shots :)

 

They claim this watch would get 25 hours of battery life. Some of the people trying out the gear, appeared confused about the gestures you can do on its surface, while the software dint respond to any of them, and stood still :D. The above picture is a user trying to swipe and the phone remained at the dial screen.


Edited by nikilok - 9/4/13 at 11:18am
post #67 of 112

I'm watching the event as well. Samsung's new watch looks hideous. No finger print scanner on the Galaxy Note 3. Samsung is just using their so called partitioned security software called Knox. 

post #68 of 112
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Apple's biggest rival, Samsung, may be getting ready to unveil its own fingerprint sensing technology today with the Galaxy Note 3, potentially taking some of the wind out of the next iPhone's sales even before the device is introduced.

 

Correction: "sails"

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post #69 of 112

Lol they brought in the guy behind the Sixth Sense technology Pranav Mistri on stage !

I bet he's working on getting his sixth sense stuff that was all over TED into samsung's watch.

post #70 of 112
Originally Posted by dtidmore View Post
 

[...] And finally, as has been pointed out, Apple has a MASSIVE infrastructure and millions of credit-card-on-file clients already in place with iTunes that could easily be expanded to things OUTSIDE of Apple purchases, which is something ALL the competition lacks at the moment.

 

Exactly.  Apple likes to roll out future disruptive technologies in public, in full view, but slightly disguised.  For example, the little iPod click-wheel games circa 2006, that seemed like a fun but odd idea.  It turns out that they were a proof-of-concept for purchasing, installing, and updating apps on mobile devices.  And that concept evolved into the App Store.

 

And Apple's iTunes Festival, although it appears to be music-centric, is actually TV-centric.  It's quite possible that Apple's future television strategy will rely heavily on all the technologies used to deliver the iTunes Festival live and pre-recorded on-demand.  Think about it.  Live events like news, sports, concerts?  Pre-recorded events like movies and TV shows?  All streamed flawlessly.  Delivered to iPhones and iPads and television sets via Apple TV.  I think we're already seeing Apple's future TV strategy.

 

But getting all the deeply entrenched incumbents to buy in to Apple's TV strategy could take years.  I think Apple's retail strategy could roll out first.  They've been testing their EasyPay self-checkout system at Apple Stores for about two years now.  Works beautifully.  And it really is a liberating experience, not having to wait in line or to seek out a sales clerk.  All it needs is a little more on-device security.  Hence the (rumored) fingerprint sensor.  Hundreds of millions of iTunes account holders are a huge incentive for Apple and other retailers to adopt EasyPay.

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post #71 of 112

Nope.

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't happen.

post #72 of 112
Even if the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 comes out as the first device with a fingerprint sensor, it won't be as good as the one on the iPhone 5s.
post #73 of 112

While the watch was pretty much what we've seen before, it is impressive the amount of tech they stuffed in there.

post #74 of 112
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Even if the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 comes out as the first device with a fingerprint sensor, it won't be as good as the one on the iPhone 5s.

 

It wouldn't have been the first device with a fingerprint sensor, but alas, this rumor didn't appear to pan out.  There was no mention of a fingerprint sensor in the Note 3.

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Originally Posted by nikilok View Post

 

Flathead SCREWS on the front and half an inch thick on your wrist. Un-flopping-believable.

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Flathead SCREWS on the front and half an inch thick on your wrist. Un-flopping-believable.

 

Seriously, when I saw the samsung gear rumor a couple of days before, I din't quite think Shamesung would actually do a product like that.

But now Im fully convinced. These guys have absolutely no taste, and any direction of Innovation. They just put together a bunch of crap, to get the status quote "We came out with this stuff first " !

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Oh Jeez! I wonder where they got this ground breaking innovative idea from!? /s
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Flathead SCREWS on the front and half an inch thick on your wrist. Un-flopping-believable.

Well now we know where all that skeumorphic went to die that Ives threw out.

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Considering this is all still rumor, your trolling is unnecessary.

 

So when people troll Samsung or other non-Apple related companies, we just reply with a "Lol", "Funny stuff...", "Took the words right out of my mouth", kind of stuff right?

 

But when Apple is on the receiving end... "Who the f**k let this troll in here?!", or "GTFO troll", or maybe "Oh shut up you're just a troll."

 

Double standard eh?

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Originally Posted by bonsly16 View Post

So when people troll Samsung or other non-Apple related companies, we just reply with a "Lol", "Funny stuff...", "Took the words right out of my mouth", kind of stuff right?

 

But when Apple is on the receiving end... "Who the f**k let this troll in here?!", or "GTFO troll", or maybe "Oh shut up you're just a troll."

 

We're on a pro-Apple website, you fool. Open your eyes. And how is it a double standard if they're lying and we're not?

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