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From patents I've seen, this uses the differing capacitance of the grooves of the finger for a reading, so it needs a real, and an alive hand.

The only thing that concerns me is that it's so small. Fingerprints are much larger. I don't understand how it will read enough of it to be consistent from reading to reading if one doesn't always put the same spot of the finger down. It's more of a partial fingerprint reader.


Remember about a month or so ago, when the rumour was that the button would be convex in stead of concave (and everyone lost their mind thinking it was going to make the phone look like a nipple (or zit, ect...).... I beleive that it is actually the lens and we are looking at it, just way smaller than people expected. If that is the case, it could be using the lens as a sort of "fish-eye" to capture more image than the actual surface normally would.

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post #42 of 64
Point is not we see here,
its actually what it really in the new iPhone.
It could be a piece of conceptual item in the test lab,
so don't cheer yet.
post #43 of 64
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I have to believe these days these things can detect if the finger is alive and well .... I have seen too many movies with removed eyeballs, fingers and hands!

 



Unfortunately people believe what they see in movies including the crooks... just saying.
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post #44 of 64
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Lordy, lordy how I hope this is true. Innovation can come in small degrees and be mind blowing. Right now my iPad is without password protection because I am a lazy sod. Machete at my side is my only protection until fingerprint button comes. Then my only worry will be the safety of my index finger, to which am quite attached. 1biggrin.gif

Now that was funny!! Thanks!

 

A fingerprint scanner hopefully brings along new functionality for passbook, secure NFC and more goodies.

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post #45 of 64
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Originally Posted by iRon man View Post

That same name keeps coming up in leaks... Surely with that many billion in the bank he could be tracked and "silenced"...

Gotta wonder how he gets the stuff, and if he's actually raking in much cash from it?

Think they're already on to it.

http://mobile.news.com.au/technology/sonny-dickson-an-australian-teenager-leaking-unreleased-apple-parts/story-e6frfro0-1226710268860
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Not to mention the fact that having HAL's voice on your phone would be the same as having a tag that identifies you as a senior citizen.  

2001 is considered by all the "young-uns" (under 30 years old) to be a really boring old movie at this point.  You can get the 1080p version in the under ten bucks section on iTunes now.

Should be one of your favorite movies, since it's main moral theme is the secrecy, duplicity and soullessness of American technical bureaucracy.

Don't worry, the New York critics also missed that whole angle at the time it came out, and just complained that it was so soulless and boring. It was fascinating how Stanley and maybe Arthur slipped it in under everybody's noses, like when Dr. Floyd talks up the "ham" sandwiches on the way to see the Monolith.

Yep, slow and subtle, not for today's ADDicts.
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Remember about a month or so ago, when the rumour was that the button would be convex in stead of concave (and everyone lost their mind thinking it was going to make the phone look like a nipple (or zit, ect...).... I beleive that it is actually the lens and we are looking at it, just way smaller than people expected. If that is the case, it could be using the lens as a sort of "fish-eye" to capture more image than the actual surface normally would.

Not a rumor, it was the well-connected Ming-Chi Kuo what said that.
post #48 of 64
While the part has some similar shapes to it like the round home button it's really hard to say that this is a FPS. As much as I want to see one just like the next guythis part doesn't look right. I'm no expert
post #49 of 64
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What part of this does the finger slide over?

The black area...

I don't know why they aren't using gold instead on the home button. The shape seems odd..

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post #50 of 64

I'm interested in learning if the iPod Touch will gain dactyloscopic sensing too. And what about the new iPads when they will be announced a month or two from now?

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I'm interested in learning if the iPod Touch will gain dactyloscopic sensing too. And what about the new iPads when they will be announced a month or two from now?

I don't think so, they'll have to update the models at the September event or make one solely for it and the new iPad 4th gen with the thinner side bezels. Plus iPod sales have decreased every year after 2010. They would only update it if there was something radical, asides this fingerprint or heat/temperature sensor or extra button, whatever it is. Which points to only one conclusion, 3D or IGZO Displays.

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post #52 of 64
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What part of this does the finger slide over?

 

The Scanner of course!    /s

 

Think of this part working more like a camera than a fax machine. You simply place your finger over it and the press of your thumb will activate the scanner (I would guess).

post #53 of 64
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Not a rumor, it was the well-connected Ming-Chi Kuo what said that.


I am very sorry, but until Apple announces it, it's a rumour like all others. yes, he has a good track record, but he hasn't been perfect, and – more importantly – he doesn't represent Apple. Regardless, it still doesn't change my interpretation of his "rumour" as it still fits within his reporting.

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post #54 of 64
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I am very sorry, but until Apple announces it, it's a rumour like all others. yes, he has a good track record, but he hasn't been perfect, and – more importantly – he doesn't represent Apple. Regardless, it still doesn't change my interpretation of his "rumour" as it still fits within his reporting.

I tend to agree, I should have used the ¡ or /s tag.

Consider the analyst Kuo.

Well-connected, well-respected y'know.

But let us remember,

That just last December,

It was IGZO, more IGZO, and now—zero.

Edited by Flaneur - 9/5/13 at 7:59pm
post #55 of 64
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Originally Posted by iRon man View Post

That same name keeps coming up in leaks... Surely with that many billion in the bank he could be tracked and "silenced"...

Gotta wonder how he gets the stuff, and if he's actually raking in much cash from it?

 

 

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How did they smuggle that part out ?

This may answer your question(s)...

 

 

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/09/05/apple-inc-how-sonny-dickson-an-australian-teen-is-driving-the-tech-giant-crazy-with-iphone-leaks/?__lsa=42f8-60e8

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post #56 of 64
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The black area...

I don't know why they aren't using gold instead on the home button. The shape seems odd..

 

I don't think so. The sensor is being folded onto the black square thing. Like this:

 

 

On the black thing you can see two transistor thingies, at the same time there are two small square cutouts on the back of the sensor. This means the sensor is likely to be folded onto the square thing to save space. Just my two cents :)

 

EDIT: sorry about my bad drawing skills ;)

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Originally Posted by iFajar View Post

I don't think so. The sensor is being folded onto the black square thing. Like this:




On the black thing you can see two transistor thingies, at the same time there are two small square cutouts on the back of the sensor. This means the sensor is likely to be folded onto the square thing to save space. Just my two cents 1smile.gif

EDIT: sorry about my bad drawing skills 1wink.gif

If true, this would solve a big problem for me in picturing how it works, thank you very much. If true!

Edit: But on second reading, it wouldn't fold up primarily to save space, but to be the underlying circuitry for the button module. Again, if you're on the right track here.
Edited by Flaneur - 9/6/13 at 8:00am
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So is the IGZO display technology no longer rumored to be a part of the iphone 5S?

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So is the IGZO display technology no longer rumored to be a part of the iphone 5S?

 

It could be, it could not be as well. But due to Apple's recent works like iOS 7 and all the other products that they've been said to be working on, I think it isn't a possibility this year even though I said it was on another thread. The technology is very new. Take a look from a Sharp video uploaded on January 3, 2013. It would take at least a year or two to build manufacturing processes for the technology and hire the workers/train them to build the display. Which I believe will just be an IPS display like the one found on the iPhone 5, if not the same with with a tweaked color profile.

 


Edited by darkdefender - 9/6/13 at 8:26am

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post #60 of 64
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So is the IGZO display technology no longer rumored to be a part of the iphone 5S?

I haven't seen any mention of it from the usual suspects, only from IGZOmaniacs around here, myself not excluded, though I've only thought about posting such a suggestion. Ming-Chi Kuo has been curiously silent on the subject, making me suspect that he's been asked not to mention it ever again. Part of "doubling down on secrecy," don'tya know. Probably wishful thinking on my part.

Edit: I see darkdefender considers iOS 7 as part of the evidence for no IGZO this time around. That I wouldn't know about, but of course it could also explain Kuo's silence on the matter.
Edited by Flaneur - 9/6/13 at 8:20am
post #61 of 64
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post
 

 

Have you ever slid your finger over your Home Button? There will be no sliding.

 

I think Apple has patented that as a stationary swipe.

post #62 of 64
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Edit: I see darkdefender considers iOS 7 as part of the evidence for no IGZO this time around. That I wouldn't know about, but of course it could also explain Kuo's silence on the matter.

Yes. I think that because iOS 7 is being developed for the current resolutions for current iPhones and this years that we will need to wait another year or two for it to be implemented if IGZO technology proves that it can be just as good looking as IPS displays found in iMacs, Macbooks, iPhones, and iPods even if they conserve battery life like crazy. I've been optimistic about it with apple rumours claiming that they are playing around with bigger display screen sizes right now but I've never seen Apple switch from IPS to OLED on any product so it would have to be better than anything before. Another thing OLED Displays have to offer is flexibility, which aims at another rumour, the iWatch. Time will only tell what Apple does with it's R+D teams.

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Awesome - thanks for that.

Best bit:

"Some people think I may be breaking the law, but they don't really know what I do," Dickson said. "I'm not breaking any laws that other people don't do."

The wisdom of a teenager... I'm sure a judge will see his logic that other people break the same law too so it's all ok...

His source - from an online romance with a worker in a Chinese factory?
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Thanks, really good info there too.

So basically he's admitting conspiring with others to make profits from stolen goods... Oops.

If he physically received the stolen goods then he could be prosecuted, same if he was a party to the arranging of others to receive them.

So he wants to work for Apple someday? I'm surprised they haven't already hired him for their unreleased secret projects - he's obviously trustworthy and not going to be a leak...
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