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Contrary to recent rumors and speculation, Apple will not be introducing a new Apple TV set top box at its media event next week, says one report, but will instead continue to upgrade the current model's software with additional channels, content and functionality.

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People familiar with Apple's plans said the company is not planning to debut a new version of the Apple TV at next week's special media event, reports AllThingsD. Speculation of a new product was sparked earlier this week when it was discovered that Apple had received shipments of "Set Top Boxes" from partner manufacturer BYD in China.

Instead of a hardware refresh, sources say Apple is focusing on broadening the existing device's capabilities through software. One such feature being worked on will allow customers to playback owned content to other users' Apple TVs without forcing them to log out. The process would require an iOS device, like an iPhone, to authenticate the purchase via AirPlay before streaming.

Apple has been aggressively pushing out new software for its set-top streamer, including dedicated channels for Vevo, Disney, Weather and Smithsonian. There are also rumors of negotiations with Time Warner and other cable providers for content rights, though recent rumors suggest Apple is looking to bypass the companies by engaging directly with content owners.

In addition to content, future Apple TV software may have so-called second screen capabilities baked in, based on tech Apple acquired from the purchase of content aggregation service and app Matcha.tv.

Sources have little information regarding the upcoming software updates, but said some of the new features are slated to roll out in the coming weeks.
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Instead of a hardware refresh, sources say Apple is focusing on broadening the existing device's capabilities through software. One such feature being worked on will allow customers to playback owned content to other users' Apple TVs without forcing them to log out. The process would require an iOS device, like an iPhone, to authenticate the purchase via AirPlay before streaming. .

That doesn't sound terribly useful. How often do you have someone else's Apple TV on the same network as yours and want to share content?

I could see having two Apple TVs in a home, for example, but they would typically be set up with the same user.
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That doesn't sound terribly useful. How often do you have someone else's Apple TV on the same network as yours and want to share content?

I could see having two Apple TVs in a home, for example, but they would typically be set up with the same user.

Not every family shares an account; also, it's pretty common now for multiple families to share a dwelling.
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jragosta: "That doesn't sound terribly useful. How often do you have someone else's Apple TV on the same network as yours and want to share content?"

First thing that popped into my head%u2026%u2026

Movie nights at a friends house.
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The article is written in a funny way. It's not sharing between AppleTvs necessarily, it's sharing between itunes accounts.

It's super useful at my apartment. 3 roommates with 3 itunes accounts, 1 appletv
Heck, I imagine in most families, each person might have their own itunes account.

An aside, I hope they disallow content providers from using the word "watch" on their icons. It adds a super cheesy tone to the whole thing. Check out the new Disney icons (and ESPN, though to a lesser extent) http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/08/27/apple-tv-update-adds-channels-for-vevo-disney-weather-smithsonian
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Not every family shares an account; also, it's pretty common now for multiple families to share a dwelling.

 

True but why the need for an iOS device? And why would AirPlay need to be involved at all?

 

Currently the AppleTV looks over the network for libraries authorized to play content by whatever account you enter under the iTunes Store setting... Which would still be the main account for renting and purchasing from that AppleTV. However, adding a feature that would allow playback from multiple libraries would be fairly trivial...

 

In the Computers setting, include an option to add other iTunes accounts; for each, enter the account and password. The AppleTV will then scan the network for all iTunes libraries with Home Sharing turned on using that account.

 

That library will appear in the main "Computers" app on the home screen, just as multiple libraries always have.

 

 

The method mentioned in the article seems convoluted and unnecessary. I'm guessing the author has never actually used an AppleTV before?

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Not every family shares an account; also, it's pretty common now for multiple families to share a dwelling.

 

Common if you think 2% [I'm intentionally throwing out a low ball because the only family sharing is a grandparent moving in with an unemployed colleged graduate] of the population is common.

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Not every family shares an account; also, it's pretty common now for multiple families to share a dwelling.

But then you have licensing issues. And I would never be transferring my movies to the person in the apartment next door, anyway.
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jragosta: "That doesn't sound terribly useful. How often do you have someone else's Apple TV on the same network as yours and want to share content?"

First thing that popped into my head%u2026%u2026

Movie nights at a friends house.

Which means that you have to bring your Apple TV over to the friend's house and then hook it up to a different TV so you can operate it. Why not just hook it up to the TV you want to watch?
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True but why the need for an iOS device? And why would AirPlay need to be involved at all?

Currently the AppleTV looks over the network for libraries authorized to play content by whatever account you enter under the iTunes Store setting... Which would still be the main account for renting and purchasing from that AppleTV. However, adding a feature that would allow playback from multiple libraries would be fairly trivial...

In the Computers setting, include an option to add other iTunes accounts; for each, enter the account and password. The AppleTV will then scan the network for all iTunes libraries with Home Sharing turned on using that account.
You go over to Grandma's and use their Apple TV to watch your iTunes purchases. You library is not on Grandma's network.
AirPlay is needed to authorize Grandma's AppleTV from your iPhone to stream your purchases from the cloud, not from you library on your computer.

Right now, Grandma could log out of of iTunes on her AppleTV then you log in with your AppleID and view your iTunes purchases but this makes it simpler.
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Is it me or is it simply stating that you can use your iPhone to AirPlay a movie on a friends AppleTV at their house, on their wifi?
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Is it me or is it simply stating that you can use your iPhone to AirPlay a movie on a friends AppleTV at their house, on their wifi?
It is you.
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Is it me or is it simply stating that you can use your iPhone to AirPlay a movie on a friends AppleTV at their house, on their wifi?

You purchase the content with your iPhone yet the content will play through their Apple TV without them having to log out and you logging in. I'm guessing it'll detect the nearest Apple TV and play the content regardless of who's signed in. Good idea for hotels.
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You go over to Grandma's and use their Apple TV to watch your iTunes purchases. You library is not on Grandma's network.
AirPlay is needed to authorize Grandma's AppleTV from your iPhone to stream your purchases from the cloud, not from you library on your computer.

Right now, Grandma could log out of of iTunes on her AppleTV then you log in with your AppleID and view your iTunes purchases but this makes it simpler.

 

Hmmm... That's weird. I've AirPlay'ed purchased (protected) content from my iPhone to a friend's AppleTV before without needing to log into it. Is there something I'm missing or not understanding that the feature mentioned in the article does that I cannot currently do?

 

From what I've always understood, content is authorized for playback at the source not on the AppleTV itself. According to this article, a DRM key is sent to the AppleTV from the AirPlay source. That key is used to decrypt the stream.

 

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And I just tested this on my own AppleTV... completely logged out and stopped all sharing and rebooted.

 

Protected movie plays fine over Airplay, no need to log in or authorize anything on the AppleTV side.


Edited by mjtomlin - 9/6/13 at 5:56pm
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post #14 of 43
Now Apple has standard game controllers for iOS devices, it begs for games and other apps to be playable on the AppleTV. I am hoping this comes sooner rather than later.
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Hmmm... That's weird. I've AirPlay'ed purchased (protected) content from my iPhone to a friend's AppleTV before without needing to log into it. Is there something I'm missing or not understanding that the feature mentioned in the article does that I cannot currently do?

I'm guessing Airplay isn't involved.
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I'm guessing Airplay isn't involved.

 

No need to make guesses; the article specifically mentions AirPlay.

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No need to make guesses; the article specifically mentions AirPlay.

Just to authenticate the purchase from there the Apple TV takes over.
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I'd say I'm bummed there won't be a refresh, but what would an upgraded processor or more memory do under ATVs current iteration? Until they modify the software and capabilities substantially- we will be fine with the current setup.

So here's hoping for some big changes sooner than later (if not now- march-ish would be a great time).

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… Apple will ... continue to upgrade the current model's software with additional channels, content and functionality. ...

 

 … in the USA. 


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Hmmm... That's weird. I've AirPlay'ed purchased (protected) content from my iPhone to a friend's AppleTV before without needing to log into it. ...

 

I think the implication is that the content is not actually on the phone but still owned by the person who owns the phone.  You are assuming it's a standard Airplay situation instead.  

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I'd say I'm bummed there won't be a refresh, but what would an upgraded processor or more memory do under ATVs current iteration? ...

 

If they did refresh it would be the fastest ever since they just refreshed about 7-8 months ago.  The only reason to do a hardware refresh now would be if they have a substantially different device to sell.  

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Hmmm... That's weird. I've AirPlay'ed purchased (protected) content from my iPhone to a friend's AppleTV before without needing to log into it. Is there something I'm missing or not understanding that the feature mentioned in the article does that I cannot currently do?

 

 


With this, you don't AirPlay anything from your iPhone.
You only use AirPlay to authorize the AppleTV to stream your iTunes purchases in the cloud. You don't stream from your iTunes library on your computer (it's not on this network) or anything from your iPhone (which you can already do).
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If they did refresh it would be the fastest ever since they just refreshed about 7-8 months ago.  The only reason to do a hardware refresh now would be if they have a substantially different device to sell.  

They didnt refresh it 7-8 months ago. Changing the size of the exact same chip does not a refresh make. It's called Apple TV 3rd generation still- for a reason. It's been a year and 6 months since an update. I think we see something big this spring- which will be 2 years from the ATV3 update. The spring is a total dead spot now that they moved the iPad to winter/late fall. So that's where we see the new ATV or iWatch (if it happens).

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Hmmm... That's weird. I've AirPlay'ed purchased (protected) content from my iPhone to a friend's AppleTV before without needing to log into it. Is there something I'm missing or not understanding that the feature mentioned in the article does that I cannot currently do?

 

 


With this, you don't AirPlay anything from your iPhone.
You only use AirPlay to authorize the AppleTV to stream your iTunes purchases in the cloud. You don't stream from your iTunes library on your computer (it's not on this network) or anything from your iPhone (which you can already do).

 

 

Ah, Now I understand my confusion...

 

I did not realize I had direct access from my AppleTV to my "Purchased" content from the iTunes Store. LOL Now this makes sense. I guess I've always been connected to my iTunes library and never needed to even consider such a feature?

 

My bad. I apologize for being naive! LOL

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post #25 of 43
Okay so no Apple TV next week at the event. Not the same as no new Apple TV later in the year or via a soft release without being mentioned at an event

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Okay so no Apple TV next week at the event. Not the same as no new Apple TV later in the year or via a soft release without being mentioned at an event

Too popular for a soft release. Even moving from 2 to 3 got stage time at the iPad 3 event last year. It sold 6 million units this year- it has substantial momentum.

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The article is written in a funny way. It's not sharing between AppleTvs necessarily, it's sharing between itunes accounts.

It's not even that. More like a rift on how chrome cast works.

Basically I'm at your place and we decide we want to watch a movie. Say like iron man 3. You don't own or particularly want to buy it. But I have it. Right now I would have to have you log out so I can log in and we can stream it off my 'in the cloud' or I could download it to my idevice and AirPlay it. They are saying that with this new system I could just AirPlay my 'in the cloud' to your Apple TV off my iphone or iPad, while you stay logged in and without my having to download it

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post #28 of 43
I want a hardware upgrade!!! The software can only go so far at current time.
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If Apple ever decides to make a app store for ATV 3 do they need to flip the switch or they have a come out with more powerful hardware?  Can the current one handle it?  Roku has a channel I really want

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Please add Mediastreamus.com cable to your list of cable/internet providers to have more free channels. We need to be able to even tune the PayForView channels without having to have their "converter box". Even they will admit that many people who get cable boxes do it for the "Time Display". Imagine that - they pay for a digital clock below their TV !
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It's not even that. More like a rift on how chrome cast works.

Basically I'm at your place and we decide we want to watch a movie. Say like iron man 3. You don't own or particularly want to buy it. But I have it. Right now I would have to have you log out so I can log in and we can stream it off my 'in the cloud' or I could download it to my idevice and AirPlay it. They are saying that with this new system I could just AirPlay my 'in the cloud' to your Apple TV off my iphone or iPad, while you stay logged in and without my having to download it

OK. Finally, something that makes sense. I can see how that would be useful. I just couldn't see how it would be useful to transfer from one AppleTV to another - which is the way it sounded at first.
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OK. Finally, something that makes sense. I can see how that would be useful. I just couldn't see how it would be useful to transfer from one AppleTV to another - which is the way it sounded at first.

Funny how Chromecast was ridiculed yet Apple gets lauded for adding a functionality very much like it. It's a great idea, and the only benefit I can see why all Apple TVs have the same exact 'channels' versus allowing the user to choose which channels are on it. Hotels can place a Apple TV in every room and the user wouldn't have to worry about having to log off upon check out or even if you're just visiting someone and there's a Apple TV in the room.
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I want a hardware upgrade!!! The software can only go so far at current time.

What's the matter? Specs aren't 1337 enough to beat GoogleTVChromecast in forums wars? What do you want from the hardware? Ten HDMI outputs? A 5-inch screen?

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The hardware is fine. I just want more UK-centric content, please.

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"continue to upgrade the current model's software with additional channels, content and functionality" - isn't that what we expected from "new" boxes?
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Funny how Chromecast was ridiculed yet Apple gets lauded for adding a functionality very much like it. .

The difference is that that is ALL that Chromecast can do while it's simply an added feature for AppleTV - on top of hundreds of other features.

No one criticized Chromecast because of its streaming capability. It was criticized because it couldn't do anything else.
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That doesn't sound terribly useful. How often do you have someone else's Apple TV on the same network as yours and want to share content?

I could see having two Apple TVs in a home, for example, but they would typically be set up with the same user.

Where does it say anything about the same network. Read it again. Great idea. At a friends house, own a movie but don't have it on your device? No worries, just tell the Apple TV to stream it from apples servers to your friends Apple TV with no need for them to log in as you.
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Hmmm... That's weird. I've AirPlay'ed purchased (protected) content from my iPhone to a friend's AppleTV before without needing to log into it. Is there something I'm missing or not understanding that the feature mentioned in the article does that I cannot currently do?

From what I've always understood, content is authorized for playback at the source not on the AppleTV itself. According to this article, a DRM key is sent to the AppleTV from the AirPlay source. That key is used to decrypt the stream.

And I just tested this on my own AppleTV... completely logged out and stopped all sharing and rebooted.

Protected movie plays fine over Airplay, no need to log in or authorize anything on the AppleTV side.

Why do people find this so difficult to understand. Maybe the article is really badly written.

I buy iron man three, but it isn't on my iPhone. I visit a friend with an Apple TV.

Without having to download the movie to my phone, I am able to authorise the movie to stream from iTunes to the Apple TV using an authorisation sent from my iPhone to my friends Apple TV. They don't have to log in as me, but because my iOS device is seen by the Apple TV, the movie can be watched as I own it and am present.
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I suspect at this point Apple is using the Apple TV for market research. In the meantime, they'll maximize the existing hardware's capabilities and see what floats and what sinks.
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post
Okay so no Apple TV next week at the event. Not the same as no new Apple TV later in the year or via a soft release without being mentioned at an event

 

If it has significant changes, why would it have a soft release and not be showcased? And if it has no significant changes, why wouldn't it just be appended to the September 10 event?

 

Sounds more like if this article is correct that there just isn't going to be a new Apple TV at all for another long time.

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