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So everyone was bitching about the thought of Apple releasing a "cheap" iPhone.

 

Now everyone is bitching that it's not cheap enough.

 

Nice to see nothing's changed.

 

Whatever. Apple will sell a gazillion of these.

 

I never though it would be cheap. People were unrealistic about that. It's just keeping the 4s around instead of making an entry level 5c irks me.

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Maybe if we all write Tim Cook that we want an entry level iPhone 5c instead of a 4s...? Remember when Apple lowered the price of the original iPhone with $200-$300? Come on... let's contact him... I think, Apple will treat 2013 as a transition year. iPod touch eventually has to go lower in price. iPod shuffle replaced with nano. iPhone 5c will eventually take the place of the current iPod touch in price point.

That decision showed one of Steve Jobs strengths. He admitted mistakes. If he hadnt done that the iPhone would be dead in the water. Cook seems to be a bean counter. He's obsessed with margins.
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post #83 of 165
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The 5C is a winner, no IF about it. It has slightly superior specs to the iPhone 5, which was the leading selling iPhone Apple ever offered. PLUS, it comes with iWorks free.

 

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Yawn. There was no reason to replace the 5 with a cheap plastic cover unless the phone was much cheaper than the 5 would have been. The 5 could have had iWork's for free.

 

It would have been interesting to see the results if Apple would have released the 5 and the 5C at the same price.

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The Nokia phones look a tad more attractive. Cleaner, fresher... brighter.

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Plastic? This is "innovative"?
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I am hopeful Apple will realease a cheap iPhone mini with a 3,5" screen to replace the iPhone 4S.
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I like what Apple showed today, but I can't fucking believe this phone is $599 CDN and the 5S is $719. I mean, holy shit. The rumors/expectations were definitely on in terms of price. Both models are significantly more expensive than I assumed they would be. I don't understand the reasoning behind increasing the 5S price from the 5. The fact that they've been manufacturing that design for so long, and economies of scale, should offset the increases in component costs. And not like they need even higher margins/profits. The cheapest 5S is $813 CDN w/tax. Insane.
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Problem then would be: What's the difference between the 5C and the 5? One is plastic and the other is not. Everything else is the same, so differentiation is minimal. And Apple doesn't want plastic to be regarded as inferior. Better to have 8GB base model 5C -- but we have to wait another 6-12 months for that to happen.

I don't think we'll ever see Apple offer an 8 GB iPhone with a 4" display. I was surprised that they did keep the 4S in the line this time around.
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Canada doesn't have 3 year plans anymore. Just so you are kept up to date.

 

Since when? 

 

I know all our major providers were afraid of a possible arrival of Verizon in Canada. They have made better offers. But now, Verizon is out...   

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iPhone 5c(hildren) $739 and $869 here in Australia. This phone is unapologetically aimed at the US market.

It really looks like Apple just want to be a US company. Mid ranged phone my ass.
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Since when? 

 

I know all our major providers were afraid of a possible arrival of Verizon in Canada. They have made better offers. But now, Verizon is out...   

 

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2013/r130603.htm#.Ui90tryBMnU

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http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2013/r130603.htm#.Ui90tryBMnU

 

"The code will apply to new contracts for cellphones and other personal mobile devices starting on December 2, 2013." ... ; )

 

... good to know by the way (thanks).

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I like what Apple showed today, but I can't fucking believe this phone is $599 CDN and the 5S is $719. I mean, holy shit. The rumors/expectations were definitely on in terms of price. Both models are significantly more expensive than I assumed they would be. I don't understand the reasoning behind increasing the 5S price from the 5. The fact that they've been manufacturing that design for so long, and economies of scale, should offset the increases in component costs. And not like they need even higher margins/profits. The cheapest 5S is $813 CDN w/tax. Insane.

Yeah. They've gone for margins not share even though the market signalled that they needed apple to go for share ( as rumours of a plastic iPhone surfaced the stock started a 6 month increase ). It's now going to tank.
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Yeah, I can't believe people on here are complaining about the prices when the colours are terrible and will out of style within 6 months (well at least up until Easter).   Those Connect 4/5 cases are terrible as well.  As for the price, why did they even bother coming out with this when they simply could have slapped new colours on the 5 and sold it to kids for a reduced price?

 

They couldn't sell it to kids overseas without the new radio.

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Yeah. They've gone for margins not share even though the market signalled that they needed apple to go for share ( as rumours of a plastic iPhone surfaced the stock started a 6 month increase ). It's now going to tank.

 

The market always says they want share but when you don't delover margins they really burn you.

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Hey, retards, who'd you steal the design from in the first place?

 

Sincerely, anyone who can remember more than two years into the past.

 

Wonder if they can be sued for that if they make it an actual ad.

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Anyone knows how they customize iOS7 to match the color of the backplate? Many possibilities come to mind, the most obvious one being an assembly/QC technician *programming* it in as one of the last steps after *burn-in*. But I wonder if Ive has designed in something to make it automatic. That would be way cool.

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Odd choice of pink
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The market always says they want share but when you don't delover margins they really burn you.

But the assumed drop in margins was priced in when the stock hit $400 ish. The stock only increased with the rumours of a cheaper plastic phone - which we assumed was the plastic one. Since apple haven't delivered a cheaper iPhone it may drop again. Of course they have a Chinese chip but that may not be enough.

However does anyone wonder about a company which innovates with plastic covers and new cases. The fingerprint sensor doesn't do much. 64 bit apps are overkill for a device with 128G memory. nothing is really happening. Maybe they are playing the long game, or they have no idea.
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It looks too cheap from the distance (even if it might feel ok in your hand), the hues are just too childish, plus it turns into a Speak & Spell with the case on. Speaking of the case, I am surprised by the lack of attention to detail with the iPhone logo showing partly through the holes (neither shown nor hidden), it doesn't look nice at all...

I think Ive & co tried to channel the original iMac playfulness here, but it got just too playful.

And the 5S looks very retro bling-y with the new colors and details, especially the shiny trim around the home button. I know it serves a purpose, detecting touch, but it looks dated. It's like a piece of fine jewelry, but I am not sure that's what Apple is all about. Asian customers will be happy, though.
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I think Apple needs to tend to their market share now, to protect their ecosystem. Don't do it when developers start to code for Android first, then Apple. That would be too late. I thought the iPhone 5C was going to be that kind of iPhone, but it's too expensive.  And I'm not sure why they kept the iPhone 4S. Isn't it a pain in the butt for the iOS devs to keep one additional screen size? And for consumers one additional connector? Just don't understand that, knowing Apple likes to keep their lineup simple...

I've given up. The iPhone is the new mac - a niche device. Apple could have 50% of the world market - as they do in the US where they are subsidised by up to $200 per device. But they have to do it now. Or last year.

Cook is a disaster.
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post #104 of 165
Just read on Forbes that the off-contract price of the cheapest version of the iPhone 5C is $549 - ouch! That's $100-150 more than I expected. As that's only 100 less than the iPhone 5S, I might go for the latter instead.
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Just read on Forbes that the off-contract price of the cheapest version of the iPhone 5C is $549 - ouch! That's $100-150 more than I expected. As that's only 100 less than the iPhone 5S, I might go for the latter instead.

 

That's exactly my point. Why would anyone not pay a $100 more bucks to get a "way" better camera, the new touchId and "way" faster cpu/graphics, not to mention all the potential new applications of the M7 chip. On/off contract doesn't matter, in fact on contract makes it an even easier choice, $99 or $199. The 5S will still be an awesome phone in 2 years and very likely have excellent resale value.

 

"Maybe" if you had 5 kids to buy new phones for, the $100 difference would add up. For a one off purchase I don't know why anyone would pick a tacky plastic looking, much less featured phone for the sake of a $100. 

 

Apple missed the plot on this one IMO, the 5C is pointless at this price.

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Wish there were more colors geared towards the male customer.  

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I've given up.

Hey, does that mean you're going away?

Too good to be true.
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post
I've given up. The iPhone is the new mac - a niche device. Apple could have 50% of the world market - as they do in the US where they are subsidised by up to $200 per device. But they have to do it now. Or last year.

Cook is a disaster.

 

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post #109 of 165
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But the assumed drop in margins was priced in when the stock hit $400 ish. The stock only increased with the rumours of a cheaper plastic phone - which we assumed was the plastic one. Since apple haven't delivered a cheaper iPhone it may drop again. Of course they have a Chinese chip but that may not be enough.

However does anyone wonder about a company which innovates with plastic covers and new cases. The fingerprint sensor doesn't do much. 64 bit apps are overkill for a device with 128G memory. nothing is really happening. Maybe they are playing the long game, or they have no idea.

 

I wonder about anyone who endlessly recycles the "innovates" whine. But that is probably just me.

post #110 of 165
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That decision showed one of Steve Jobs strengths. He admitted mistakes. If he hadnt done that the iPhone would be dead in the water. Cook seems to be a bean counter. He's obsessed with margins.

I don't think Tim is so obsessed with margins as is the Stock Market and the analysts. However, both Tim and Steve are careful to not chase market share by giving up profit. Samsung is after market share at the expense of profit and now dealing with a near-revolt of their stock holders. What would you rather see apple having: Market share or profits?

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I watched the presentation live and the 5C has enough improvements over the 5 to be considered a 5+ and the way they have incorporated color in the iDevice and the new rubbery covers ought to instill a hunger for the 5C by the younger buyers and the fashion conscious. Being much older, a businessman and conservative, if I were to buy a 5C I'd go for the white one with the black cover. So, it has appeal to everyone in my thinking.

The Japanese should go nuts over the 5C and I wouldn't be surprised of much of Asia as well. While no contract-free price was quoted, the 5C may not be as inexpensive as some had hoped. Apple has enough margin to work with to do some inventive marketing with the 5C, and they are now doubling their marketing department - they may have some plans to make the 5C as visible in print ads as they used to do with the iPod silhouette ads and make the 5C as ubiquitous as twerking. 1biggrin.gif
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As a customer and shareholder I agree with the vast majority that the 5c should be cheaper.  I think they would sell a lot more even if it were $49 w/ contract and $499 off contract.  It looks like Apple is taking all of the cost savings of the plastic case for profit with none of the cost savings being passed on to the consumer.  Even better would have been a price structure of:

 

5c  $0/$449

5    $99/$549

5s  $199/$649

 

I think they must have been worried that keeping the 5 around would cannibalize too much of the 5s' sales.  

 

It also seems that it's time to consider nudging down the price of the models with more memory.  At a $100 premium Apple is making around 1000% profit on upgrades from 16gb to 32gb.  I like Apple's profit margins being high, but I think they would sell a lot more larger capacity phones if they dropped the price down to somewhere between a $50 to $90 upgrade which would still maintain 500% to 900% profit on the upgrade.

 

I'm worried that the bean counters are beginning to run the store these days and Apple is getting greedy.  For every iOS device sold that is another opportunity to sell iTunes songs, apps, movies, iBooks, accessories, AppleCare, etc., expands the iOS ecosystem, and often leads to the purchase of other Apple products.  You have to get them in the door first though with an (unsubsidized) price of admission people can and will pay.

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Plastic? This is "innovative"?


And in a green only Regan MacNiel could appreciate.
Innovation = see Moto X.
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Well, MOTOROLA made phones, Nokia made phones, people from the Far East made phones, Apple made phones, Google made phones,

Sir Jonathan Ive made phones...

 

People are phone makers, basically... :err:  

We mean Apple no harm.

People are lovers, basically. -- Engadget livebloggers at the iPad mini event.

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Innovation = see Moto X.

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post #115 of 165

Key for Apple is ability to price these phones for $20 USD per month deal.  If they can get some kind of long term contract pricing like that, then this will take off in China and India.  Consumers don't seem to care about length of deal, but how much they need to pay per month.

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It looks like they're going to use the First World to amortize the new radios and case tooling, to subsidize, in other words, selling these phones for lesser margins later in the Third World. (Apologies for using these outdated, politically incorrect terms.)

Look for these prices to start dropping after they start selling through China Mobile. I think they're giving them a deal, and we in the West are part of the setup.

Yeah, I know, I'm making stuff up, but there's no figuring out this company without using some imagination. One thing I do know is that Tim Cook knows what he's doing, and we don't.

Oh, and the colors clearly show that the intended market is young Western metrogenders and Asians.
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post #117 of 165

I think it's awesome that Apple let a five-year-old pick the colors for the 5C phones and cases. Who would have though a five-year-old would be so in tune with mid-80's color palletes?

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Hey, does that mean you're going away?

Too good to be true.

Lol

I have an enemy and I don't even know who you are. Feel free to discuss the pricing of the 5C without personal attacks though.
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"Maybe" if you had 5 kids to buy new phones for, the $100 difference would add up. For a one off purchase I don't know why anyone would pick a tacky plastic looking, much less featured phone for the sake of a $100. 

Apple missed the plot on this one IMO, the 5C is pointless at this price.

It looks like the 5C was their way of improving margins. The 5S is clearly the better product and having plastic components will lower their build costs. Having the upsell to the 5S increases their average selling price. If they'd kept the iPhone 5 around, that would have lowered margins and driven people to the 5 over the 5S.

Some analysts were probably excited to see the 5C as they've been banging on about Apple making a cheaper iPhone for emerging markets. Sitting between the 4S and 5S, the 5C isn't the cheap phone they were looking for.
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It looks like they're going to use the First World to amortize the new radios and case tooling, to subsidize, in other words, selling these phones for lesser margins later in the Third World. (Apologies for using these outdated, politically incorrect terms.)

Look for these prices to start dropping after they start selling through China Mobile. I think they're giving them a deal, and we in the West are part of the setup.

Yeah, I know, I'm making stuff up, but there's no figuring out this company without using some imagination. One thing I do know is that Tim Cook knows what he's doing, and we don't.

Oh, and the colors clearly show that the intended market is young Western metrogenders and Asians.

Why would Tim cook definitely know what he is doing any more than Elop or Ballmer. It's possible he is out if his depth.
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