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I really expect the 5s camera will blow away the Motomo camera, however the bundled software will really set the iPhone 5s apart from the motoMo.
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Here's Gruber's thoughts on the new iPhones. They pretty much mirror mine, which is the 5C is more about product differentiation than creating a cheap phone. Now Apple can market this as something new rather than last years model $100 cheaper. Some people might complain about price but the tech in the C is still damn good tech. I'd rather have what we got here than a phone with really old hardware or missing features (like Siri) in order to make it cheaper in price. Apple could have made a cheap phone, but they couldn't have made a good cheap phone.

Something else that doesn't seem to get enough attention is the touch ID. Every hands on review I've read says its basically flawless. I didn't come across one that couldn't get it to work.

http://daringfireball.net/2013/09/iphone_5c_5c_event

 

Have you actually seen video or just written review on touch id? I only checked engadget video and it did falsed couple of times to siri instead of unlock. I believe real use of touch id will come when api becomes available and third party apps can use it to bypass password (email app, shopping etc) For now it is limited to screen unlock and iTunes store purchase only.

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Have you actually seen video or just written review on touch id? I only checked engadget video and it did falsed couple of times to siri instead of unlock. I believe real use of touch id will come when api becomes available and third party apps can use it to bypass password (email app, shopping etc) For now it is limited to screen unlock and iTunes store purchase only.

 

You're reaching for this to have an issue at this point. Have you actually used it? It's still a home button. And when you press and hold the home button siri invokes. My guess is that you simply touch the button, not press it, and the guy on Engadget was most likely pressing and not just touching.

 

In regards to the future. No-one expected to have an AppStore and the apps we have now when the first iPhone launched. Everything takes time.

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What I'm trying to say is that it's kinda funny how Apple implements their own version of "burst mode" after Samsung.
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Is it me or is the 5C just a 5 with a plastic colored body,?

...and bigger battery. Went from 8 hours of use to 10 hours.

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post #126 of 226

I wonder if the double tap to playback music is gone...I kinda liked that feature. This TouchID button looks like it is a static button.

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I can buy two Nexus 4 phones for the cost of one iPhone 5C.

Be sure to not use the second one until the first one goes bad that way you might, that is might get 4 years of life out of the two. When, at the end, you'll have a phone that is worth nothing on eBay and you'll have gone four years with a mediocre to marginal experience. Or you could have a great four year experience and at the end sell the iPhone for money on eBay.

It's a lot like buying a BMW or Benz and having a great 20 year driving experience and selling the car at the end of that time for maybe more then you paid for it. Or driven a series of Yugos over that time and had a piece of shit the whole time as well as at the end.
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I wonder if the double tap to playback music is gone...I kinda liked that feature. This TouchID button looks like it is a static button.

With the new iPhone you just say, "Play it again Siri."
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This TouchID button looks like it is a static button.

it is...
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I can buy two Ford Taurus for the price of one Tesla X. No one gives a frick.

 

Yeah, well first you need two nickels to rub together. 

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Engadget had video demonstrating fingerprint sensor unlock. It did looked fast and took less time then you enter passcode. But video showed that it falsed to siri couple of times as well. Guessing it will be corrected by the time it launches.
Falsed to Siri? Probable operator error. Getting to Siri requires pressing and holding the home button. The unlock feature operates on sensing the presence of the finger - no clicking of the home button is required. Remember it senses when your finger is in position, that's what the ring around the button is for.
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post #131 of 226
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I wonder if the double tap to playback music is gone...I kinda liked that feature. This TouchID button looks like it is a static button.

 

That went away on all iOS devices with iOS 7. Double-tap now brings up multi-tasking. Control center has those controls now, and is one swipe up from the bottom to bring up.

 

From the design page on Apple.com it looks like it's a sensor within the home button. So the button still works as a button, but also as a touch sensor when it's time to unlock or make iTunesStore purchases. As a technophile, it's kind of cool! 

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With the new iPhone you just say, "Play it again Siri."
it is...

 

I've been missing the Siri wagon for some time now...still on the iPhone 4 although I picked up the 5 for my wife when it came out. I'm definitely due for mobile device upgrades...still using the original iPad but picked up the new 13" air last Christmas. If Apple crams all this tech into the next iPad, they are definitely getting more of my money.

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I believe real use of touch id will come when api becomes available and third party apps can use it to bypass password (email app, shopping etc) For now it is limited to screen unlock and iTunes store purchase only.

First off, When Apple introduced iOS7 several months ago, they said that third-party apps will have greater access to what has been "Apple only" APIs up until this release.

Secondly, until Apple announced this feature today, no one but Apple could have written this feature into their code. So no third-party developers have had a chance to include this into their apps.

Finally, be patient young grasshopper. All will come to pass in its time.
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I've been missing the Siri wagon for some time now...still on the iPhone 4 although I picked up the 5 for my wife when it came out. I'm definitely due for mobile device upgrades...still using the original iPad but picked up the new 13" air last Christmas. If Apple crams all this tech into the next iPad, they are definitely getting more of my money.

Wellll, are you in for a treat!! iOS7 will be for current and past iPads back to iPad 2 in a few more days. As for me, I'm choosing the Barbara Eden Siri voice with the new release.
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First off, When Apple introduced iOS7 several months ago, they said that third-party apps will have greater access to what has been "Apple only" APIs up until this release.

Secondly, until Apple announced this feature today, no one but Apple could have written this feature into their code. So no third-party developers have had a chance to include this into their apps.

Finally, be patient young grasshopper. All will come to pass in its time.
Also my guess is Apple wants to make sure this works and works well before they allow 3rd party apps access to it. This is something to take very seriously and I think people might be a bit nervous with 3rd party apps having access to this.
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Yeah, I've never understood the cases that specifically cut out the section over the Apple logo. Are people really that vain? I have a normal case on my iPhone that covers the entire back minus the camera. As you said, anyone who looks will know what it is without me having to vainly flash around the Apple logo to the world. It's a phone not a fashion accessory.
It's better to completely cover the logo than to partially cover it IMHO. This way it reads Pho. Not a good move I think.
post #137 of 226

Don't understand some of the comments and complaints. This is the iPhone5S (5.5) a mid-cycle phone same as other "S" models. The S models have always been mid-life upgrades with a new this and slightly improved that, but the same design in general. They don't update the design & feel of the iPhone until a new number update. The 4 was a lot different than the 3, the 5 was very different from the 4, and I'm sure the 6 will be a new design from the 5. If you want a new design, wait 12 months. If you're still on a 4/4S then this is a great upgrade to me. I like the gold color phone, not sure I'd buy it, but I like it. Thankfully, I got the 5, so I'm on pace for the 6 next year.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't get the sourness.

post #138 of 226
I don't think I've seen this much fear in the anti-Apple crowd for quite some time. Bodes well for the 5C.

"I can buy two crap phones for the price of a good one."

Seriously?
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I find it funny how they are really de-emphasising the white iPhone 5s this time around.  It's hard to even find a clear picture of it on their website.  They have that horrible gold model front and centre.  I find the whole website presentation a bit tacky and garish this time around also.  Perhaps they are finally losing the mojo.  

 

I'll take bets right now that the iWatch is if not a flop, then something that has a lukewarm reception, and that they struggle in the living room for the next decade as much as they have this past decade.  Apple, the "good but not great" company?  

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That went away on all iOS devices with iOS 7. Double-tap now brings up multi-tasking. Control center has those controls now, and is one swipe up from the bottom to bring up.

 

From the design page on Apple.com it looks like it's a sensor within the home button. So the button still works as a button, but also as a touch sensor when it's time to unlock or make iTunesStore purchases. As a technophile, it's kind of cool! 

 

Double-tap to play back music on ever worked on the lock screen AFAIK.  So it could still be there.  I think the OP was believing it was gone based on the erroneous idea that the button didn't physically move anymore. 

post #141 of 226
The keynote was pretty lame. Bragging about a publicity stunt of free concerts in London was the big kickoff. Yawn. Elvis Costello strumming a fuzzy sounding guitar and singing through a fuzzy sounding microphone was the grand finale. Yawn.

Having Ive providing very slow voiceover over a video showing how precisely Apple can rout a hole in a piece of plastic was not exactly thrilling. They even made a big deal out of the alert sounds, for goodness sake.

This was the lamest Apple presentation I've seen and I've been watching them from the very first webcast. What they had to say of any importance could have been said in fifteen minutes.

And then there is the look of the products. I don't find any of the 5c or 5s designs attractive (although there must be a ton of beehive wearing retired ladies in Florida who would love the gold one). A barf colored leather case is hardly chic.

It was a bit embarrassing to see Schiller trying to make the boring stuff seem as great as the good stuff. Everyone on stage was straining in pretty much the same way.

The 5s is a good phone with a lot of processing and graphics power, but considering how all the competitors have caught up with most of the capabilities yet with larger screens (which is pretty much all that the average consumer cares about), Apple dropped the ball in a very big way. They should have been able to see the screen size thing coming two years ago, but considering that the CEO is about as left brained and process-over-product oriented as they come, the company has lost its fire, at least for the forseeable future.
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What I'm trying to say is that it's kinda funny how Apple implements their own version of "burst mode" after Samsung.
In case you didn't notice, they did it i h better, in or pirating many advanced features for multiple shot functionality besides just burst mode. Watch the video on their site.
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I caught the "hon" thing as well. They couldn't even line up the art with the factory cases?

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You really need to go get yourself a good education as you clearly are clues.
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I find it funny how they are really de-emphasising the white iPhone 5s this time around.  It's hard to even find a clear picture of it on their website.  They have that horrible gold model front and centre.  I find the whole website presentation a bit tacky and garish this time around also.  Perhaps they are finally losing the mojo.  

I'll take bets right now that the iWatch is if not a flop, then something that has a lukewarm reception, and that they struggle in the living room for the next decade as much as they have this past decade.  Apple, the "good but not great" company?  
I find it funny that you think the gold model is horrible and tacky when not one hands on review that I read referred to it that way. In fact Jim Dalrymple said he's probably going to get the gold one. And this is what John Gruber said on his site:
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"Then there’s goldie. I can’t say it’s my cup of tea, but it does look good, and not at all cheesy. Maybe a little blingy, but my hunch is that it’s going to prove wildly popular. If one color 5S proves harder to get than the others, it’s going to be the gold one I think."
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The keynote was pretty lame. Bragging about a publicity stunt of free concerts in London was the big kickoff. Yawn. Elvis Costello strumming a fuzzy sounding guitar and singing through a fuzzy sounding microphone was the grand finale. Yawn.

Having Ive providing very slow voiceover over a video showing how precisely Apple can rout a hole in a piece of plastic was not exactly thrilling. They even made a big deal out of the alert sounds, for goodness sake.

This was the lamest Apple presentation I've seen and I've been watching them from the very first webcast. What they had to say of any importance could have been said in fifteen minutes.

And then there is the look of the products. I don't find any of the 5c or 5s designs attractive (although there must be a ton of beehive wearing retired ladies in Florida who would love the gold one). A barf colored leather case is hardly chic.

It was a bit embarrassing to see Schiller trying to make the boring stuff seem as great as the good stuff. Everyone on stage was straining in pretty much the same way.

The 5s is a good phone with a lot of processing and graphics power, but considering how all the competitors have caught up with most of the capabilities yet with larger screens (which is pretty much all that the average consumer cares about), Apple dropped the ball in a very big way. They should have been able to see the screen size thing coming two years ago, but considering that the CEO is about as left brained and process-over-product oriented as they come, the company has lost its fire, at least for the forseeable future.

 

Only a segment of the population cares about larger screens. I know I'm one of them, but I run into a LOT of iPhone users that don't want a bigger screen.  They like the fact that it isn't a big bulky phone.  I only want a bigger screen due to my eyesight sucks.  I think they did what they felt they had to do.  While Apple might miss here and there, I think they'll do well.  Once they spit out a larger screen model, then things will be OK again.  If all you are interested in is a large screen, then yes, I'm sure you were bored.  I personally liked the fact that they are moving into 64 bit this year rather than next.  That will permeate to the iPad and I'm sure we'll see a lot of growth in the iPad market for some really cool apps.

 

The little Elvis concert at the end was what it was, the sediment was there, but it's a small venue to pull anything bigger off.  Obviously, the engineer manning the board didn't have enough time to get a proper sound check.  What they did in London is something they want to do and it's at least something.  I personally would enjoy it if they had a jazz oriented concert series instead of the pop based music, but that's my tastes.  I think getting access to a bunch of free concerts that are professionally done is something I don't see anyone else doing.  It costs Apple a big pile of money to do that and the should get some free publicity over it, in the end, it's not free publicity.  I would rather they spend the money on having free entertainment than watches ads.  Which would you like?  More ads?  Consider those concerts a free perk for owning an Apple product. Do you know how much others would charge if it was a for profit concert series?  A LOT of money to get all of those concerts.

 

Either way, I like the job on the 5s as it gives me hope that the next iPad will be 64bit, their larger screen iPhone will be 64 bit and Android users are going to have to wait a LOT longer to get 64 bit.  I don't even think Android 4.4 will be 64 bit.  If so, none of the phones and tablets released this year so far aren't using 64 bit OSs.  I think Android users will have to wait until Android 5 hits in a year or longer and then it will take a while for them to spit out 64 bit models.  I think Apple's in the cat birds seat on this one.  BIG TIME.

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Everything looks great. If only the 5C were $100 cheaper or maybe had a 8GB model for $450

I agree, and I think the 4S is the ugly duckling. A white 8GB base model 5c instead of the 4s would be better. It's like updating iMacs but keeping last year's model around as the entry level one -- although Apple used to do that with education model. I don't like that strategy. Plus keeping around the 30 pin dock connector? Also, they don't even give Earpods with the 4s.
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I caught the "hon" thing as well. They couldn't even line up the art with the factory cases?
Yes, would have been better If where the iPhone text was, there weren't any holes and iPhone would be stamped on the case.
post #149 of 226

The real problem here is that the name makes it look as if it should cost five cents ;).

 

With carrier subsidy, it starts at $99. The real problem is that Apple is not addressing the prepaid market with an affordable option, which is what developing countries need. In South Africa, something like 97% of the population has a cell phone, and Nigeria is a huge market. Yet most of these people do not have the steady income to get a phone on a contract. Eventually an increasing fraction will, but they won’t have an Apple product in the meantime. That creates a window for other less successful smart phone vendors like Nokia-Microsoft.

 

Maybe that’s not a bad thing because competition is good. If you live in a developed country and can afford a contract, you have a wide range of options, and Apple turning into another Microsoft, owning the entire market, is not a good thing. I didn’t like it when Apple was small enough that imminent failure was always an option; I’m not sure I like a world-dominating Apple either.

 

Just my 5¢.

 

I really like the name. It has so many possibilities.

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The real problem here is that the name makes it look as if it should cost five cents 1wink.gif .

With carrier subsidy, it starts at $99. The real problem is that Apple is not addressing the prepaid market with an affordable option, which is what developing countries need. In South Africa, something like 97% of the population has a cell phone, and Nigeria is a huge market. Yet most of these people do not have the steady income to get a phone on a contract. Eventually an increasing fraction will, but they won’t have an Apple product in the meantime. That creates a window for other less successful smart phone vendors like Nokia-Microsoft.

Maybe that’s not a bad thing because competition is good. If you live in a developed country and can afford a contract, you have a wide range of options, and Apple turning into another Microsoft, owning the entire market, is not a good thing. I didn’t like it when Apple was small enough that imminent failure was always an option; I’m not sure I like a world-dominating Apple either.

Just my 5¢.

I really like the name. It has so many possibilities.

Even so,

Most of us knew the iPhone 5C would NEVER be cheap enough for impoverished people in BRIC countries.

At a minimum we expected midrange $300-500 which it's hard to say if the 5C even addresses that market globally.

I agree with you that the 5C is a hard sell for prepaid markets. If it were $450 it'd be a stretch for prepaid but still within the $300-500 midrange, but at $550 that puts it up with the likes of flagship Android and Windows phones.

I don't really know what market Apple was trying to address with this.

I think it'll do well regardless because Apple's ad campaign for it seems solid especially for postpaid markets, but there's a gaping hole in prepaid globally.
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Apple's focus has always been about improving the user experience.

 

Explain how air gesture is innovative? Innovation would be when something is improved in such a way that it changes how people intuitively do things. Air gesture, other than being "touch less" doesn't improve functionality significantly. You can do the same things that air gesture allow for using non-air features with essentially the same ease. Tactile response is generally preferred - and yes, that includes the iPhone/iPad's virtual keyboard.

 

Air gesture is more a gimmick than anything. 

Actually, I wouldn't mind if Apple introduced a similar functionality to Air Gesture. Have you ever tried to follow a recipe on Jamie Oliver's app while you're cooking and your hands are dirty? Siri will not help you, yet (and you still have to press that button). So either Siri needs an upgrade or scrolling a page while waiving your hand isn't such a bad idea...

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Burst mode is a standard feature of most nice cameras. Apple didn't copy Samsung, it's just that they beat them to market with the feature.
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The keynote was pretty lame. Bragging about a publicity stunt of free concerts in London was the big kickoff. Yawn. Elvis Costello strumming a fuzzy sounding guitar and singing through a fuzzy sounding microphone was the grand finale. Yawn.

Having Ive providing very slow voiceover over a video showing how precisely Apple can rout a hole in a piece of plastic was not exactly thrilling. They even made a big deal out of the alert sounds, for goodness sake.

This was the lamest Apple presentation I've seen and I've been watching them from the very first webcast. What they had to say of any importance could have been said in fifteen minutes.

And then there is the look of the products. I don't find any of the 5c or 5s designs attractive (although there must be a ton of beehive wearing retired ladies in Florida who would love the gold one). A barf colored leather case is hardly chic.

It was a bit embarrassing to see Schiller trying to make the boring stuff seem as great as the good stuff. Everyone on stage was straining in pretty much the same way.

The 5s is a good phone with a lot of processing and graphics power, but considering how all the competitors have caught up with most of the capabilities yet with larger screens (which is pretty much all that the average consumer cares about), Apple dropped the ball in a very big way. They should have been able to see the screen size thing coming two years ago, but considering that the CEO is about as left brained and process-over-product oriented as they come, the company has lost its fire, at least for the forseeable future.

 

i'll just use this particular post to address all the knee-jerk boo-birds posting here and around the web today saying more or less the same things:

 

you guys really don't get it.

 

the combination of the freshly re-desinged and definitely improved iOS 7 with these two new models - one with great casual style and the other packed with useful technical wizardry - is going to blow away the consumer market. because together they make the iPhone "feel" reinvented. you can all say there is no "wow" there, but actually i see plenty of "wow" for regular folks. iOS 7 may already be old news to the technocrati, but none of the general public have seen it in action yet and everyone will find some of its new features really satisfying to use. add the distinctive two new hardware models to that and you have a huge hit coming up.

 

no doubt the superficial whining about no bigger screen or no NFC or no ... whatever will continue to be posted far and wide by the boo birds. that's what gets you guys off. well, they'll wind up in the same whiners hall of fame as no flash, no removable battery, no physical keyboard ...

 

there will be long lines outside Apple stores around the world yet once again on launch day. 

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Burst mode is a standard feature of most nice cameras. Apple didn't copy Samsung, it's just that they beat them to market with the feature.

 

not just that. the SS G4 burst mode shoots 20 pix maximum in 6 seconds - 3.3 pix per second. but the Apple iP 5s shoots 10 pix a second (i don't know the total limit)!

 

let's see if all the spec lovers notice this one. actually, not being a spec lover i don't really think it matters much in real life. the software auto-selection of the best pix both offer is the really important factor, and that will take a side-by-side test to compare.

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A phone that costs much less than what Apple is charging is a money losing product.  Apple has to maintain decent margins, otherwise the analysts and shareholders will get pissed off.  The problem with these other phone mfg that sell $150 phones aren't making any money and all they are doing is screwing up the industry and ultimately the customer.  The reason why Samsung is getting away with it, is because they make it up by the higher end phones and because it's better to run the factories spitting out cheap components and breaking even so they can increase market share, otherwise, they'd have to shut down mfg plants, have less sales, etc. and probably end up dumping chips in landfill.

 

To expect Apple to make a good $150 is like asking Mercedes Benz to come out with a high quality $15K car.  It'll never happen.  Mercedes has their branding and their market they go after and it isn't the high volume, low cost, low margin products.  The same thing about Apple.  If you want a high quality product, you have to pay for it.  if all you look at is the price, then you'll end up getting something that is made for that price market.  You can't have high quality and cheap.  Those two things almost never exist.   Market share doesn't pay the bills and allow for growth and to pay for research.

 

The same thing that's been happening and will continue to happen in the PC market will happen to the Android market.  It's just a matter of time.  There have already been a few Android players get out of the industry because they can't make money trying to compete.  That's not good for the consumer.  How would you like it if you bought something based on price only to find out the company exits the industry and you are now high and dry without a company that cares about a product you just paid money for.

 

Bottom line, $150 are just cheap phones being dumped on the market instead of a cheap traditional cell phone.   But that market isn't profitable.

 

I think this is a fair evaluation of how I feel about the 5c. I actually never really considered the 5c during the presentation to be pitched as a bargain phone. A lot of media outlets were talking about how this was suppose to be Apple's foray into the China Market and developing countries. But what I actually got out of it was 'cheap subsidized price, pretty colors, lots of pretty colors, look at these colors, look at the pretty colors on our strange case!', which felt like more a phone for teens. If this is Apple's savior for the growing low end of the market, I highly doubt they've found it here. 

 

And I'm glad actually. There's a certain image that Apple has to maintain before they begin to look like just any other phone maker. Making a crappy phone for a few hundred bucks to win a market segment would lose my respect. Apple needs to keep their standards and begin looking to other growing markets to succeed. Not play the games that Android manufacturers have been playing for years now. 

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Even so,

Most of us knew the iPhone 5C would NEVER be cheap enough for impoverished people in BRIC countries.

At a minimum we expected midrange $300-500 which it's hard to say if the 5C even addresses that market globally.

I agree with you that the 5C is a hard sell for prepaid markets. If it were $450 it'd be a stretch for prepaid but still within the $300-500 midrange, but at $550 that puts it up with the likes of flagship Android and Windows phones.

I don't really know what market Apple was trying to address with this.

I think it'll do well regardless because Apple's ad campaign for it seems solid especially for postpaid markets, but there's a gaping hole in prepaid globally.

 

Apple isn't ever going to make uber-cheap phones for the developing world, and everyone knows that, or should. it could never compete with those local OEM's in their markets' distribution channels, it would never make the crummy flimsy hardware they often do, and it would never tolerate the very exploitative labor practices that many of them practice routinely either.

 

as to "what market Apple was trying to address" with the 5c, think ahead. this attractive new c model will truly become Apple's "cheap phone" in 2014 when it in turn replaces the 4S at the $0 + contract price point, or $450 prepaid. so from then on, Apple will always have the distinctive low-end product line that all the pundits say they should.

 

why wait a year? because the 5c would cannibalize too many 5s sales at that price point this year, really hurting combined profit margins. but next year's iPhone 6 will presumably have further improvements that will push it two years ahead of the 5c technically and protect it from that effect better.

 

would Apple plan market strategies a year ahead like that? yes, of course it does ...

 

btw, if Apple really does come out with a larger screen phone next year too as rumored, i bet it's based on the 5c, not the 5s,  for the same reasons - price segmentation and profit margins. next Spring would make sense, just to have something new in between major product cycles  ...

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The price is high is because of the ridiculous high import tax (17% to 33%) I don't know what band they get , probably at 20% (In China nothing is black and white, you need to negotiate!) Same here in UK. We are paying 20% VAT on top. So a 16GB 5S (549 pounds = $850)

I said that months ago, Apple don't do cheap! It was the Wall Street Anal-ylist made the whole thing up, lure people in the game, push up the stock price then shoot it down. So well done another great con from Wall Street. although they phrase out 5, in fact, it's a great tactic! same tooling, same components. Different package and sell for $100 less (same like what Apple been doing all this years) if anyone bother to check, each time they introduce a new model, their profit margin drop by 8-12% then the next year gone up again. That's exactly the reason.

From real buyers in China, those I know would be buyers (not those who can't afford, or just fan droid , haters scumbags) only thing they couldn't make up their mind is what color! I go for the champagne 1smile.gif I hope they come up with the matching color iPad later on this year 1wink.gif

Also the finger print scanner is a stroke of genius at work. All this report came before worry that it's going to wear out over time, Steve Jobs simple stick at work again! Make it a lens cover with crystal.

And the A7+M7 sure make many people peeing in their pants (I am looking at you Intel) if anyone one know just a bit iOS programming, this open up a world of possibility never been possible before (or not as good) I could hardly sleep last night to redraw all my apps blue print in my head!!!
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Who is this phone targeting, and who wouldn't spend $100 more to get the premium model, with faster processor, Touch ID, better camera etc.?

 

I happen to think that the 5C looks decent, for a plastic phone, I just think that Apple now has introduced a new model of iPhone that is priced almost the same as the premium model. $100 difference is nothing.

 

It is targeting emerging markets but even in the states, a family of 4 will likely buy the 4C for the kids because they don't really need the fancy technologies of the 5S.  That's a $400 saving that many families will appreciate.

 

Many people will actually prefer the colorful look and feel of the 5C and will choose it because they don't need the extra features of the 5S.

Think teenagers.

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Apple isn't ever going to make uber-cheap phones for the developing world, and everyone knows that, or should. it could never compete with those local OEM's in their markets' distribution channels, it would never make the crummy flimsy hardware they often do, and it would never tolerate the very exploitative labor practices that many of them practice routinely either.
as to "what market Apple was trying to address" with the 5c, think ahead. this attractive new c model will truly become Apple's "cheap phone" in 2014 when it in turn replaces the 4S at the $0 + contract price point, or $450 prepaid. so from then on, Apple will always have the distinctive low-end product line that all the pundits say they should.
why wait a year? because the 5c would cannibalize too many 5s sales at that price point this year, really hurting combined profit margins. but next year's iPhone 6 will presumably have further improvements that will push it two years ahead of the 5c technically and protect it from that effect better.
would Apple plan market strategies a year ahead like that? yes, of course it does ...
btw, if Apple really does come out with a larger screen phone next year too as rumored, i bet it's based on the 5c, not the 5s,  for the same reasons - price segmentation and profit margins. next Spring would make sense, just to have something new in between major product cycles  ...

This makes a lot of sense. They're thinking a year (or more) ahead.

Also, it turns out that the plastic back is more expensive to make than I, for one, thought, with that inner steel reinforcement/antenna embedded in it. I totally missed that detail when someone, I'll look it up later, was talking about the reinforcement that I thought was maybe for EMI and heat. Anyway, it looks like they're spending quite a bit to get this plastic and metal "architecture" set up for a long run, and they'll get it paid for with this first version.
Edited by Flaneur - 9/11/13 at 2:05am
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

Apple isn't ever going to make uber-cheap phones for the developing world, and everyone knows that, or should. it could never compete with those local OEM's in their markets' distribution channels, it would never make the crummy flimsy hardware they often do, and it would never tolerate the very exploitative labor practices that many of them practice routinely either.
as to "what market Apple was trying to address" with the 5c, think ahead. this attractive new c model will truly become Apple's "cheap phone" in 2014 when it in turn replaces the 4S at the $0 + contract price point, or $450 prepaid. so from then on, Apple will always have the distinctive low-end product line that all the pundits say they should.
why wait a year? because the 5c would cannibalize too many 5s sales at that price point this year, really hurting combined profit margins. but next year's iPhone 6 will presumably have further improvements that will push it two years ahead of the 5c technically and protect it from that effect better.
would Apple plan market strategies a year ahead like that? yes, of course it does ...
btw, if Apple really does come out with a larger screen phone next year too as rumored, i bet it's based on the 5c, not the 5s,  for the same reasons - price segmentation and profit margins. next Spring would make sense, just to have something new in between major product cycles  ...

Very good post, I think you nailed Apples thinking. Although I suspect the larger screen will also be on the flagship model next year(possible before 5c for reasons you mention above).

Just me, but I for one would like all this new tech in a 3.5 inch screen phone. I have too many use scenarios where smaller is better(but definitely understand the rationale for larger screens, IMO Apple is leaving some cash on the table not having a 4.9 inch model and a bit more customizable home screen/keyboard features... Intuition it's coming though).
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