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Originally Posted by canucklehead View Post
 

 

LOL! Innovative typically means something is useful and actually works.

 

Uh... air gesture works fine for me?

post #42 of 226
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Originally Posted by williamlondon View Post
 

 

And what I think is the average consumer thinks in the exact opposite way -> "who in the world would spend double the price on the same phone except someone who has more money than sense, more pretensions than humility?" Save the $100 and get the same phone, spend it on a larger display for better reality TV show viewing and enjoyment.

 

You're talking about contract prices, and locked phones.

 

Does the average consumer realize how much that two year contract will be costing them in total? 

 

Does it make a difference if somebody spends let's say $1800 for lowest model or $1900 for premium model over two years? I don't think that it's accurate to say that somebody is spending double when getting a 5s. Unlocked prices are what should be compared, and there's very little difference between $550 and $650.

post #43 of 226

You're absolutely killing me. I'm not disagreeing that Samsung may have invented Air Gesture. I'm trying to imagine you holding away your phone and waving your hand at the screen when your fingers are much more precise. 

post #44 of 226
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Originally Posted by Reviloa View Post

...the iphone C lettering is covered by the iphone case.

…I will be upgrading to the iphone S partly because of this reason!!

Didn't realize people cared that much about the tiny lettering on the back... I mean, your friends don't need the word 'iPhone' to know you're carrying one and that you're super duper cool...
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Originally Posted by blackbook View Post

Everything looks great. If only the 5C were $100 cheaper or maybe had a 8GB model for $450

And why should I give up the A7 and finger print thing features plus a beautiful gold aluminum casing with only 100 bucks just to get that plastic minus it features?
post #46 of 226
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Originally Posted by John Oi View Post
 

Uh... air gesture works fine for me?

 

actually works = actually useful. You look just as retarded waving at a phone as using an iPad to take photos of yourself in the mirror. 

post #47 of 226
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Didn't realize people cared that much about the tiny lettering on the back... I mean, your friends don't need the word 'iPhone' to know you're carrying one and that you're super duper cool...

 

Yeah, I've never understood the cases that specifically cut out the section over the Apple logo. Are people really that vain? I have a normal case on my iPhone that covers the entire back minus the camera. As you said, anyone who looks will know what it is without me having to vainly flash around the Apple logo to the world. It's a phone not a fashion accessory.

post #48 of 226
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Originally Posted by blueeddie View Post
 

actually works = actually useful. You look just as retarded waving at a phone as using an iPad to take photos of yourself in the mirror. 

 

Who does that?.... I use air-gesture when I quickly want to check if there are any messages/calls that I've missed when the screen is black by waving my hand at a phone. Ofc, I wouldn't do that if I was standing still and doing nothing. Why not use it when you are doing something else and you just need to check something quickly without actually touching the phone? Ex: When you are studying.

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Originally Posted by John Oi View Post

Excuse me, but aren't you the same person who goes crazy when Samsung releases something similar when Apple released one beforehand? Same logic here.

 

No, not really. If you weren't a troll, you'd care enough to get it right.

 

Originally Posted by blueeddie View Post
You're biting the bait. Seeing that he recently registered, let him talk and have him move on.

 

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Btw, can I say how impressed and in love I am with the new "grey" 5S? Its.... I'm... speechless. 

 

Indeed.

 

Originally Posted by John Oi View Post
Only thing Apple's good at is designing things(Does damn good job at it too). However, Apple is completely dependent on other companies to produce and manufacture their products, which can lead backlash against them in the future(Ex: Samsung)

 

Both statements are completely false.


And this proves what?

 
Originally Posted by John Oi View Post
Why not use it when you are doing something else and you just need to check something quickly without actually touching the phone? Ex: When you are studying.

 

If you're studying, you've no business on your phone at all save to look up information relevant to what you're doing. Air gesture or whatever is horrifically contrived. 

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post #50 of 226
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Originally Posted by John Oi View Post
 

 

Why not use it when you are doing something else and you just need to check something quickly without actually touching the phone? Ex: When you are studying.

Because touching the screen requires a minuscule amount of effort to do so?

post #51 of 226
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

Who is this phone targeting, and who wouldn't spend $100 more to get the premium model, with faster processor, Touch ID, better camera etc.?

Apple has typically had 3 levels:

Good - two generations ago
Better - one generation ago - $100 more than Good
Best - newest generation - $200 more than Good

As of yesterday, Good was iPhone 4, Better was 4S, and Best was 5.

As their usual practice, when they released the iPhone 5S, the previous Good disappeared, the previous Better became Good and the previous Best became Better.

The only thing that happened differently this time is that when the iPhone 5 dropped from 'Best' to 'Better', it got a new case in lots of different colors. Other than that, everything is the same way they've done it for several generations.

Who would go for the $100 savings? I don't know, but the 'Good' and 'Better' phones have always done quite well. In fact, for some time, Apple's 3 phones were the top 3 phones from ANY vendor on the market - so the 'Good' and 'Better' phones outsold every other phone. I don't think that's any longer the case, but they still sell very well.
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post #52 of 226
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Originally Posted by John Oi View Post

LOL. Did Apple really copy Samsung Galaxy's burst mode?.... Wow.

Haha, you think Samsung pioneered That! You crazy boi
post #53 of 226
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post
 

 

No, not really. If you weren't a troll, you'd care enough to get it right.

 

 

"Nip it in the BUD, Andy! Nip it!"

 

Indeed.

 

 

Both statements are completely false.


And this proves what?

 

If you're studying, you've no business on your phone at all save to look up information relevant to what you're doing. Air gesture or whatever is horrifically contrived. 

 

Can Apple produce and manufacture their own products? No. Do they have the capacity to do it? No. Do they have factories and state-of-art machines to make such high-tech components? No.

post #54 of 226

Oh no - Apple is not innovation - they just copied features that everyone else has had for years.

 

I won't buy an iPhone because the screen isn't as big as the S4 and the battery is not removable and, and, and...

 

Seriously though does it strike anyone else as odd that all the whiners are claiming that Apple is not being innovative because someone else had a feature that sounds the same on paper while complaining that Apple did NOT copy their favorite feature from some other phone? There is literally no way to please such people. 

 

And the comments along the lines of oh no better flush the Apple stock - is this the first time you have ever experienced and Apple product announcement? Puh-lease.

 

And why all the vitriol anyway? you are 100% entitled to your opinion and to spend your money how you see fit - but why do you feel compelled to trash something and use foul language based on a few photos online and some reports from people who are closer to the actual product? Seriously, have you not experienced an Apple product being announced to major disappointment or head scratching and scathing reviews (like maybe iPod, the original iPhone, the iPad) only to later find out that it is in fact a very nice product that ends up revolutionizing the industry? News Flash - not every single thing that Apple releases (hardware or software) is going to utterly change the world and the way technology is used - get used to it. 

 

Oh no, now I'm a sheeple or have drunk the Apple Juice (I thought it was kool-aid). Or maybe I have been a user of technology for some 30 years now and have spent the last 20 or so fixing and repairing all manner of electronical devices and for me when all things are considered, Apple products are the clear winner and not because some else tells me so and not the result of marketing or brainwashing but rather as the culmination of personal experience. 

 

Yes put me down for at least one iPhone 5S to replace my 4S which is eligible for upgrade - just need to figure out what to do with the four iPhone 4 units and the iPhone 3GS that are currently on my plan - all of which are eligible for upgrades. The wife kinda likes the new color - but for me the extra horsepower and features of the 5S are clearly the way to go. 

post #55 of 226
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Originally Posted by John Oi View Post
 

 

Who does that?.... I use air-gesture when I quickly want to check if there are any messages/calls that I've missed when the screen is black by waving my hand at a phone. Ofc, I wouldn't do that if I was standing still and doing nothing. Why not use it when you are doing something else and you just need to check something quickly without actually touching the phone? Ex: When you are studying.

 

Apple's focus has always been about improving the user experience.

 

Explain how air gesture is innovative? Innovation would be when something is improved in such a way that it changes how people intuitively do things. Air gesture, other than being "touch less" doesn't improve functionality significantly. You can do the same things that air gesture allow for using non-air features with essentially the same ease. Tactile response is generally preferred - and yes, that includes the iPhone/iPad's virtual keyboard.

 

Air gesture is more a gimmick than anything. 

post #56 of 226
nowadays, cut throat competition from Samsung is what really drives Apple's forward thinking

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post #57 of 226
I think you guys are over thinking it. There are still tons of people that are still buying the 4s, even though the 5 is out and the 5s will be out. Maybe that is Apple's target audience, the people who just want a iPhone just to want it; not for the specs.

My mom just bought an iPhone 4S, even though she had an option for the 5, wait a month for the 5s. She didn't care, she just wanted an iPhone.

Plus, in China, w/ their keynote tomorrow, the pricing can be drastically different from the US prices.
post #58 of 226
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Originally Posted by dragit View Post

'it didn't feel "cheap" or "plasticky"' no i would hope not as it isn't cheap by any means.
This is the most disappointing release has made in a very long time IMO. They seem to have completely missed the point of "affordable".
They needed to make a phone for half the price of the current iphone, not 10% less... gives a sheet.

 

$99 is not 10% less than $199.

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post #59 of 226
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Who is this phone targeting, and who wouldn't spend $100 more to get the premium model, with faster processor, Touch ID, better camera etc.?

 

I happen to think that the 5C looks decent, for a plastic phone, I just think that Apple now has introduced a new model of iPhone that is priced almost the same as the premium model. $100 difference is nothing.

 

Totally agree, I wanted to get the 5C, but dat price! Sad sack pieces of sh*t Apple! (endearingly) ... Tsk, might as well get the 5S, better value hands down, I like the 5C design a lot more, it looks fun and rugged.

post #60 of 226

Not a single positive comment. Now where have I seen this before? Oh yes, HERE! By that measure alone I pretty much guarantee the iPhone 5c will be a runaway hit. 

 

(lesson: geeks struggle to see beyond specs)

post #61 of 226
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I am pretty sure Tallest Skil thinks that iPhone is the best phone out there. And nope! :) 

 

And he's entitled to think that. It's an opinion. His opinion's do not have to match yours. You are seriously here to just start trouble. As a Nexus owner I'm ashamed you're part of the Android community. You make us all look bad when you act like this. There is nothing wrong with the iPhone and iOS. It's a great platform, and Apple does amazing things. So does Google and it's hardware partners. There is enough room in this world for both.

post #62 of 226
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Originally Posted by John Oi View Post

LOL. Did Apple really copy Samsung Galaxy's burst mode?.... Wow.

I feel like there are a conspicuously large amount of haters today. Could be a part of a Microsoft campaign, they use every marketing tactic in book, so it's definitely possible.

And if you call that copying, you might want to mention that Samsung copied canon and Nikon.

Btw, I'm really impressed with apples offering this time around. Solid entries, great new features - wish I wasn't under contract..
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post
 

Not a single positive comment. Now where have I seen this before? Oh yes, HERE! By that measure alone I pretty much guarantee the iPhone 5c will be a runaway hit. 

 

(lesson: geeks struggle to see beyond specs)

 

I really like what they're doing with the 5C. The colors are neat. I sort of want a yellow one with the black case for the juxtaposition of colors. I'm also really excited to see how the new camera stuff helps mobile photographers. I'm also very sad that people feel the need to just yell at how one company is better than the other.

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I dislike recent hardware design choices, from last year's iPods to today's iPhones. Granted, I'm not the target demographic (I'm not China), but they look... ugly, and compromised to me.

 

Not saying that I could do, or that competitors have done, better. Just saying "ick".

post #65 of 226
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Originally Posted by Odysseus1923 View Post

Is that really it? What the hell are they doing apart from shedding a load from shareholders. WAKE UP...

 

It is very common for the stock to drop on 'new' after a run up on 'rumor'.  It will go back up.

 

I heard some financial analyst on the radio this morning talking about what he expected Apple to announce.  Given the amount of leaks, I thought everyone knew what would be announced short of the price.  However, he was still predicting bigger screens, possible iWatch etc.  In other words he didn't know sh*t.  This is important because all these idiots and the idiots that listen to them build up the idea of Apple surprising us with far more than has been leaked.  Hence they get disappointed by reality and some sell their stock.

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I think the 5C colors look better than I expected (early leaked photos had a very dull look to them).  Still, I like the 5S and even think the Bling  Phone is the best of the bunch.

post #67 of 226
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Originally Posted by Reviloa View Post
 

So.. I'm not the only one that noticed how badly the iphone C lettering is covered by the iphone case.

The lettering could have been repositioned... and 6 holes would be rounded rectangle.

We all thought Apple cared about theses little details. 

 

Yeah, I agree. The lettering on the phone back looks awful through those holes. If you have to have a dippy polka dotted case, at least make the lettering line up (or not show at all, as I'd prefer). 

 

On the other hand, I don't really get cases to begin with. So many people have these beautiful iPhones covered up in a huge-ass Otterbox. Who cares whether your phone is made of aluminum or plastic if you're going to have it covered in rubber and plastic 100% of the time?

post #68 of 226
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

I agree.  The haters are out in full force spewing their typical propaganda nonsense and trying to seed their usual lies.  The phones are solid updates.  I'm curious how the 5C will be accepted.  I think they will sell very well.  I'm very impressed with the tech they put into the 5S.  I love my iP5 but that fingerprint sensor, nicer camera, and the A7 chip is tempting.  I'll wait for the iP6 though for now.


Good job on your flagship phone Apple.  It's sell well, and the iHaters, Fandroids, and typical basement dwellers will still continue to whine like they do at every product launch.

they will never be happy.. if the 5c is to expensive people will not buy it and get the 5s! if its to cheap then it wont have enoght margin profit and it will eat up 5a sales!!
it dosent matter what price it has, it will always be bad... there domed..
post #69 of 226
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Originally Posted by John Oi View Post
 

 

I am pretty sure Tallest Skil thinks that iPhone is the best phone out there. And nope! :) 

 

It is... for him and for many people. I also think it's the best phone. For sure, it's the best system / ecosystem. But I wouldn't say it's the best for everyone.

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I can buy two Nexus 4 phones for the cost of one iPhone 5C.

post #71 of 226
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Originally Posted by goodfellow View Post
 

I can buy two Nexus 4 phones for the cost of one iPhone 5C.

 

And they still wouldn't be as good.  :D

 

How many folks get good resale value for old Android phones? 

 

Personally I have either gifted or sold my old iPhones and my original iPhone is still being used - so I don't see where the initial purchase price is a huge deal. When I upgraded to a 4S and gave my wife my old 4 (32GB) I sold her 4 (16GB) for something like $200 - can you even give away a two or three year old Android phone? 

post #72 of 226
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Originally Posted by murman View Post
 

 

Totally agree, I wanted to get the 5C, but dat price! Sad sack pieces of sh*t Apple! (endearingly) ... Tsk, might as well get the 5S, better value hands down, I like the 5C design a lot more, it looks fun and rugged.

Your sentiment is actually quite common...many sitting on the fence (having to balance cost and desire) feel that way and have that love/hate with Apple products.  I think that the masses will see differentiation between 5s and 5c.  As for you, enjoy your 5s and never look back.

 

My guess is that more will opt for the 5s than many here think.  The 5c will be reserved for those who are truly budget conscious, want a more rugged device or just love the colors without having to bulk it up with a case.  Folks here are a little too critical about the intro of the 5c and need to mellow out on their 1st World problems.

post #73 of 226
Something else to remember is Apple didn't lead anyone on in terms of pricing. Apple was completely silent on it. It's not their fault if Wall Street analysts and tech bloggers got it wrong. Also only Apple knows the true cost of building each device. Apple never indicated, hinted or leaked that the colored plastic is cheaper to manufacturer. Again this was journalists and analysts that presumed the "C" in 5C stood for cheap. It's obvious now that it stands for color and the point of it is to provide something that looks and feels new (with a few upgrades from the 5) but is completely different than the flagship 5S. It's about product differentiation, not Apple jumping into a race to the bottom.
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I can buy two Nexus 4 phones for the cost of one iPhone 5C.
Um, Ok...what's stopping you?
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Originally Posted by goodfellow View Post
I can buy two Nexus 4 phones for the cost of one iPhone 5C.

 

I can buy two Ford Taurus for the price of one Tesla X. No one gives a frick.

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post #76 of 226
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I dislike recent hardware design choices, from last year's iPods to today's iPhones. Granted, I'm not the target demographic (I'm not China), but they look... ugly, and compromised to me.

Not saying that I could do, or that competitors have done, better. Just saying "ick".
I see. So you think Chinese people like ugly and compromised devices. Got it.
post #77 of 226
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I can buy two Nexus 4 phones for the cost of one iPhone 5C.

 

You joined just to say that? I have a Nexus 4 and it's not really a great phone. I hate the camera. I have dust under the front and rear lens. It started showing up within the first week of owning the phone. I REALLY wish I would have held out for the HTC One. I love that phone. Point being, sure you can buy two, but you're buying two crappy phones for the price of one better built phone. LG's build quality and design isn't nearly as good as HTC and Apple. I'm also very curious about the Moto X build. I have a feeling it will also be way better than Googles race to the bottom Nexus 4.

post #78 of 226
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And they still wouldn't be as good.  :D

 

How many folks get good resale value for old Android phones?

The 4 is still quite new. I sold my 3GS, which I bought for $375 new unlocked, for only $100. That was a huge depreciation and I definitely won't be buying either the 4S or the 5C. From my perspective the belief that Apple products don't depreciate is bogus.

 

I tried out the Nexus 4 at a store and while it is not perfect -- I hate the 3D effects -- it is very good.

post #79 of 226
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Yeah, I agree. The lettering on the phone back looks awful through those holes. If you have to have a dippy polka dotted case, at least make the lettering line up (or not show at all, as I'd prefer). 

On the other hand, I don't really get cases to begin with. So many people have these beautiful iPhones covered up in a huge-ass Otterbox. Who cares whether your phone is made of aluminum or plastic if you're going to have it covered in rubber and plastic 100% of the time?
For the people bothered by this...you do realize the 5C is plastic and doesn't require a case?
post #80 of 226
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  I REALLY wish I would have held out for the HTC One. I love that phone..... I'm also very curious about the Moto X build. I have a feeling it will also be way better than Googles race to the bottom Nexus 4.

I'm not discouraged, but I agree the HTC One looks better.

You should avoid the Moto X, unless you like having your passwords sent to a Motorola server:

 

http://blogs.computerworld.com/smartphones/22435/motorola-secretly-spies-droid-phone-users-every-9-minutes-collects-personal-data

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