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Someone give me 1 good reason why AppleTV needs an App Store, as opposed to on-going content deals and Apple-designed Apps?

 

1 good reason...

 

I'll wait....

 

 

Because then we wouldn't have to wait forever for those content deals and Apple designed apps to get signed/created/added.

 

If the Apple TV had an app store (and it's apps could be kept seperate just like the iPhone and iPad apps can be kept seperate) then the content providers could come up with their own apps, and submit them, and once approved we could get them on the Apple TV much quicker.

 

Comedy Central, Adult Swim, TBS, TNT, Showtime, Cinemax, BBC iPlayer, and so on already have apps that they created themselves and submitted and are now available on the iphone/ipad.  I'm sure they would all jump at a chance to create apps for the Apple TV and get them out there right away if they could.  Apple is just holding all this up by refusing to let that happen.

post #42 of 71
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 What are you, 70? That's absurd. Physical media is an embarrassing waste of money. You don't own it any more than a digital purchase, and from the day you buy it the countdown begins until it is physically non-usable anymore. Not to mention the ease of losing or breaking said media.

 

You're right, it's so easy to lose my 400 Blu-Ray collection.


Funny story, I recently bought a Western Digital myBook to backup my iMac. Well wouldn't ya know it, the POS died last week. Good thing it wasn't my main drive, good thing my entire collection of movies wasn't on it.

post #43 of 71
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You're right, it's so easy to lose my 400 Blu-Ray collection.


Funny story, I recently bought a Western Digital myBook to backup my iMac. Well wouldn't ya know it, the POS died last week. Good thing it wasn't my main drive, good thing my entire collection of movies wasn't on it.

Similar thing happened to me - I got a "The disk you inserted was not readable by this computer" for my 1TB Western Digital external drive. Took over a month to re-rip my movies. Thank goodness for DVD's.

post #44 of 71
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Because then we wouldn't have to wait forever for those content deals and Apple designed apps to get signed/created/added.

 

If the Apple TV had an app store (and it's apps could be kept seperate just like the iPhone and iPad apps can be kept seperate) then the content providers could come up with their own apps, and submit them, and once approved we could get them on the Apple TV much quicker.

 

Comedy Central, Adult Swim, TBS, TNT, Showtime, Cinemax, BBC iPlayer, and so on already have apps that they created themselves and submitted and are now available on the iphone/ipad.  I'm sure they would all jump at a chance to create apps for the Apple TV and get them out there right away if they could.  Apple is just holding all this up by refusing to let that happen.

The problem isn't 100 apps and customizing the screen... the problem is the navs within each of those apps, and letting go of a major interaction theme that Apple itself isn't ready to deploy until it gets the hardware right***

 

Having 100 different 'apps' on this platform will diverge it to the point of being worse than straight cable.  My guess is all of the above have been approached by apple, given the terms of the Apple Vision (not the vision itself), and they have said.... 'no thank you'

 

And Apple walks away.    They would rather control the experience (nav, organization, payment, ads, search, favorites), than to have 500 different UIs built... and content that no one really wants (I hate ColbertNation with playing the same Axe ad 5 times on my iPhone to watch 80% of a show... I want to watch the WHOLE Show with no ads, or wrap an ad every 20 minutes by shrinking the aspect ratio for 5 seconds and display the ad as a click through on the bottom)

 

And so, it's apparent that an iPad with those apps and Airplay is your solution short term.

 

I believe the long term solution is that Apple will soon have an 'content store' for the AppleTV, where you can select and either alacarte or subscribe to content), but it will require those apps/channels to conform to Apple's AppleTV specific integration terms... specifically inApp payment for unsubscribed content through Apple, and exposing the content within to Apple search and addressing capabilities, so a single 'grand app' can maintain your preferences, all your content patterns, your 'genius channels' [I want all things Clint Eastwood], and all the content in all the channels.  You navigate to a content type, and the grand app optimally displays that content for you, or navs you to a more interactive [game] content via a calling std into the channel/app.

 

If you nav to the particular channel/app, you get a similar interface but only on your set of content.

 

And all that maybe is in the next version of AppleTV iOS.  who knows.   I do know that almost all of the above content 'owners' (app writers) will argue that it's not their vision to provide their content in that way... and Apple will say, 'then to the iPad you are banished, go forth with Airplay.' 

 

Again, Apple's Vision is probably pretty clear [to them].. probably 3 years out [and probably waiting for a method to interact with Cable/OTA in a similar way***], and the content on Apple TV now is provided with some general rules that are consistent with that long term vision.

 

***AppleTV with

- Coax/HDMI input

- ability to display OTA and cable content (and record it to local internal DVR)

- Ability to control a Home Theatre system (OR  a Apple Sound Bar Device from optical that can drive 2.1 directly, and outputs for 7.2 ] )

- Ability to control volume and general menu controls on TVs

- General up to date technology

    - faster chips

    - lots of local storage (DVR of content not available in in other internet sources)

    - 'ac' networking

 

Personally, I think the new TimeCapsule form factor with a fusion drive would be just about perfect ;-)


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post #45 of 71
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You're right, it's so easy to lose my 400 Blu-Ray collection.


Funny story, I recently bought a Western Digital myBook to backup my iMac. Well wouldn't ya know it, the POS died last week. Good thing it wasn't my main drive, good thing my entire collection of movies wasn't on it.
Similar thing happened to me - I got a "The disk you inserted was not readable by this computer" for my 1TB Western Digital external drive. Took over a month to re-rip my movies. Thank goodness for DVD's.

Also thank goodness for RAID5 with parity check in my Mac. TimeMachine also works.
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post #46 of 71
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Because 6 years later, there's still no BBC iPlayer app.

Apple can't possible make deals and write apps for every content provider in every country.

The content providers write their own apps.
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Also thank goodness for RAID5 with parity check in my Mac. TimeMachine also works.

 

I'd maybe want to use RAID6 ;)

post #48 of 71
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The content providers write their own apps.

 

that may be the case but it is Apple's loss, not the BBC, that iPlayer doesn't exist on ATV. It would be the number 1 reason to purchase an ATV in the UK if this was available. iPlayer is used by millions of people in the UK, mainly on PCs at the moment but as already stated most smart TVs, games consoles and other STBs all provide iPlayer.

post #49 of 71
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 What are you, 70? That's absurd. Physical media is an embarrassing waste of money. You don't own it any more than a digital purchase, and from the day you buy it the countdown begins until it is physically non-usable anymore. Not to mention the ease of losing or breaking said media.

Show me ANY instance of a digital media purchase being something you don't "own" (as in, can't watch it, stream it, & download and preserve it).

You only purchase a license to use it but you don't actually own it.
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You only purchase a license to use it but you don't actually own it.

 

^This

post #51 of 71
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You're right.....now where did I put my 400 Blu-Ray collection? 1rolleyes.gif

Mine is in iCloud.

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post #52 of 71
I would like Apple to increase the bandwidth of Airplay to allow high quality wireless audio-streaming of lossless and high resolution (24bit) audio. In the sound quality stakes Airplay lags behind the likes of Bluetooth, especially when its using the aptX codec which the Mac supports but iOS devices don't.
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Mine is in iCloud.

Compressed and crappy looking.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
Compressed and crappy looking.

 

Who says?

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Compressed and crappy looking.

With no extra features or commentaries and no 7.1 sound.
 
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post #56 of 71
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Who says?

I just did, pay attention.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
I

 

Okay, I'll be more specific: who cares what you "says"?

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post #58 of 71
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Okay, I'll be more specific: who cares what you "says"?

You wouldn't bother replying if you didn't care.
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post #59 of 71
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U can b so dang clear TS but yesterday your compulsive rant encouragement to feed trolls got you BLOCKEed. I still check my BLOCK list and read the saner discussions. Yesterday the discussion on the Apple event was destroyed by trolls and their supporters, aka you as lead stirrer upper.. That is not fair to AI and its serious readers (including nutty, aka me, tongue in cheek posters). You and a few other troll feeders have some great, clear and intelligent points to make; but feeding first time troll posters is a public flogging offence, aka sending to BLOCK reformatory. Grrr 1hmm.gif1oyvey.gif

I mostly stayed away yesterday because the forums were overrun by drive-by trolls. Remember though, TS doesn't start it. Sure, he feeds the trolls, but there was an unusual number of inactive accounts that suddenly pipped up on keynote day to more or less whine about how the iPhone 5c wasn't cheap enough. The other troll meme was the 5c plastic was too cheap. I expected to hear more from the "disappointed brigade" over the usual memes: screen is not 1337 enough, Apple is Doomed(TM), no new innovations, Android done it, etc. but surprisingly didn't.

In any case, I'm not sure why you are complaining about TS when you've blocked him.

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
You wouldn't bother replying if you didn't care.

 

The implication is that you'd give a credential to justify your opinion as more than the ramblings of an individual.

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post #61 of 71
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Compressed and crappy looking.

LOL. And Blu-Ray isn't compressed? Please.

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LOL. And Blu-Ray isn't compressed? Please.

Yes it is but it's the best picture quality one can get without going to a movie theater.
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post #63 of 71
Really odd that I can't open a URL stream in ATV. I can AirPlay it, sure. But how hard would it be to say, hey ATV, broadcast whatever is coming from this URL?

These days I can access more online streaming content using my DVD player than my ATV.
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Yes it is but it's the best picture quality one can get without going to a movie theater.

And the physical media is often less expensive too. And it comes with the storage (the disc) so I am not paying for the hard drive storage too.

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You're right, it's so easy to lose my 400 Blu-Ray collection.


Funny story, I recently bought a Western Digital myBook to backup my iMac. Well wouldn't ya know it, the POS died last week. Good thing it wasn't my main drive, good thing my entire collection of movies wasn't on it.

Similar thing happened to me - I got a "The disk you inserted was not readable by this computer" for my 1TB Western Digital external drive. Took over a month to re-rip my movies. Thank goodness for DVD's.

 

Always back up your ripped/converted versions. While it certainly isn't difficult to convert a movie collection for ATV it can be time consuming. Just do it once. One backup device is not enough.

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Always back up your ripped/converted versions. While it certainly isn't difficult to convert a movie collection for ATV it can be time consuming. Just do it once. One backup device is not enough.

That's solid advice. Especially when considering Disc Rot
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That's solid advice. Especially when considering Disc Rot

 

Disc rot in reality is not a significant issue. I have yet to have a DVD, Blu-Ray or even Laserdisc (at least where it won't play) have this problem. We're talking over a thousand discs.

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The difference in user isn't face comes to mind. If devs can create it 'once' for all iOS devices, this would require way more work to have the same application work on the AppleTV or OSX, no?
Probably meant for things already on them to do this, Mac and IOS do count themselves as different apps even if same name and look.
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That's solid advice. Especially when considering Disc Rot

Disc rot in reality is not a significant issue. I have yet to have a DVD, Blu-Ray or even Laserdisc (at least where it won't play) have this problem. We're talking over a thousand discs.

Well it happened to two disc of mine, though they were audio from 1985. I have no idea if the tech got better with DVD or BD...
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LOL. And Blu-Ray isn't compressed? Please.

Yes it is but it's the best picture quality one can get without going to a movie theater.

However, there are quite few 4k videos and documentaries (thanks Marvin!) on YouTube that I can watch on my 30" ACD in all its glory. Can't do that on the couch in the living.

That may be considered as a lame response, but it is accurate though...
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Fully expecting something big coming for Holiday release. Why else would they have released those controller APIs?

I agree. The APIs have been long awaited. It would surprise me that Apple would ship nothing that used them.
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