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Just to nitpick, there are a few more differences between the 5c and the 5. It has a new facetime camera I believe, it has a slightly larger battery and it also has more LTE bands.

And yes, I agree with you that the 5s looks great. I like the space grey one myself, though all colors look nice. I also think that the Touch ID is going to be huge. Yeah, other devices have had something similar before, but they've all been crap, until Apple comes along and does it right of course.

You're right, so I stand corrected.

Well all the new colors look great. I thought that the gold one was going to look gaudy but the white face and gold back is a very attractive combination.
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post #122 of 297
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As much as consumers and investors are disappointed by the lack of a large-display iPhone, we should appreciate that Apple is protecting its developer base--keeping developers happy--by not tossing off one odd display format after another. After all, the unmatched selection of well-functioning iOS apps is Apple's most valuable asset.

Android "supports" a wide range of display sizes and resolutions by adapting dynamically, which leads to ugly, poorly functioning interfaces. In contrast, iOS requires developers to produce custom-tailored content and control layouts, which yields consistent, fully functional interfaces across all i-Devices. The introduction of retina displays was easily handled in iOS by pixel-doubling and the introduction of the iPad mini was handled by not changing the pixel count. Switching to a larger iPhone display while maintaining retina resolution is a far more difficult problem. If Apple doesn't make this transition carefully, many developers will be unable to make the transition themselves. In fact, there may be no easy path for Apple (or developers), which is why Apple may delay the transition until it absolutely has to be made in order to survive.

Apple has made many major platform transitions in its history and all relatively smoothly. The transition to a large display iPhone looks to be the most difficult by far.

Then keeping the 4S with both a different size display and a different connector makes little sense. An 8GB 5C could have been the free w/contract phone.
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As much as consumers and investors are disappointed by the lack of a large-display iPhone, we should appreciate that Apple is protecting its developer base--keeping developers happy--by not tossing off one odd display format after another. After all, the unmatched selection of well-functioning iOS apps is Apple's most valuable asset.

Android "supports" a wide range of display sizes and resolutions by adapting dynamically, which leads to ugly, poorly functioning interfaces. In contrast, iOS requires developers to produce custom-tailored content and control layouts, which yields consistent, fully functional interfaces across all i-Devices. The introduction of retina displays was easily handled in iOS by pixel-doubling and the introduction of the iPad mini was handled by not changing the pixel count. Switching to a larger iPhone display while maintaining retina resolution is a far more difficult problem. If Apple doesn't make this transition carefully, many developers will be unable to make the transition themselves. In fact, there may be no easy path for Apple (or developers), which is why Apple may delay the transition until it absolutely has to be made in order to survive.

Apple has made many major platform transitions in its history and all relatively smoothly. The transition to a large display iPhone looks to be the most difficult by far.

That's bollocks too. Pair for the course for modern Apple Insider. Apple has a technology - 2 Oses old - called auto layout which does what android does. It's not that easy but its there. With iOS 7 and text buttons increasing screen sizes will take no work because the art won't need refactoring. Devs have far more to worry about than screen sizes.
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Then keeping the 4S with both a different size display and a different connector makes little sense. An 8GB 5C could have been the free w/contract phone.

Good point.
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I take him seriously as a price analyst. His predictions are crap but I bet he knows something about Apple projects but Cook is too timid to pull trigger on new product releases. Cooks a disaster. Bring back forstall.
Bring back Forstall to do what??
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There is still a massive market worldwide at $550.

This is a brand new 16 GB iPhone 5C. That's actually a $100 cheaper than the most comparable offering yesterday, worldwide.

It's the "cheap phone". There is bog all market for it. I would have bought 2 - one as a present - at about 400 euro entry. I am not buying the 5C at 550 even for me. Nor the 5S because these kind of pricing shenanigans piss me off. I'll stay with the 4S unless cheaper discounted 5's become available.
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Could just ONE analyst be fired for incompetence, please?

One of them. Start small. I need some validation that the entire market isn't now completely full of idiots.

When i posted my opinion yesterday I mentioned stock price falling, you gave some rather flat comments on that, now you see the reality.

There is not enough price space between 5C and 5S, here in Europe we will pay more than 550€ (around 650$) for a 16GB 5C.
This is bordering on ridicoclous ! and yes, we are talking plastic ....whatever the 'geniuses' at Apple may call it.

What use is for instance the 64bit CPU for us end users? all we care about is speed and longer battery life...only improvement there is that the 5S has longer standby time, wow...hold the press,big advantage...

Before you react, I'm a devoted Apple fan with lots of Apple material, this time I just find that they are aligning their iPhones to what Samung is doing, but Samsung does the same only 30% cheaper.

That's what I meant yesterday, where are the magic moments at Apple?
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Shares of Apple were off nearly $30, or close to 6 percent, in morning trading on Wednesday as investors reacted to the announcement of the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c.

 

Here's the New World Order for Apple "analysts":

1. Analysts publish wildly varying predictions about upcoming Apple products, hoping for a random "hit."

2. Investors short AAPL because it's fashionable at the moment (the "herd mentality.")

3. Analysts blame Apple instead of apologizing for being completely wrong with their predictions.

4. Apple buys back AAPL at bargain-basement prices.

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Bring back Forstall to do what??

Kick Cook in the bollocks.
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That's bollocks too. Pair for the course for modern Apple Insider. Apple has a technology - 2 Oses old - called auto layout which does what android does. It's not that easy but its there. With iOS 7 and text buttons increasing screen sizes will take no work because the art won't need refactoring. Devs have far more to worry about than screen sizes.

Darned right they don't. Apple is doing its best to protect developers from such garbage. And that's why a large screen iPhone won't happen until iOS 7 has matured.

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now you see the reality.

 

I always saw the reality. You don't seem to.

 
There is not enough price space between 5C and 5S

 

Except there is.

 
This is bordering on ridicoclous ! and yes, we are talking plastic ....whatever the 'geniuses' at Apple may call it.

 

Magical. Idiots pay the same or more for plastic Android phones. How wrong can you possibly be?

 
What use is for instance the 64bit CPU for us end users? all we care about is speed and longer battery life...

 

Hmm. I've quoted two sentences together. I wonder… if those sentences might directly relate. Nah.

 
only improvement there is that the 5S has longer standby time, wow...hold the press,big advantage...

 

Just shut up, okay? When you feel like not lying anymore, feel free to post again.

 
Before you react, I'm a devoted Apple fan with lots of Apple material

 

NO. ONE. GIVES. A. FLYING. FRICK.

 

This is not a list of what TO do.

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Munster was talking about a low end device starting 15% margins leading to MORE REVENUE and higher EPS. And bigger market share. Which is what. all sane investors care about. The obsession with margin is the doltish nonsense and baboonery you get only here. Christ you probably think they should sell 29 gold plated iPhones a year at 98.98% margins and forget the middle classes.

No, the 'obsession' with margin is what makes companies great. First, the prices being thrown around would mean no margin at all for Apple - which means that they'd lose billions after you factor in overheads. Second, even a minor drop in their margin has affected the stock price in the past. A big drop in margin could be disastrous. Finally, no one has ever established the extra volume that Apple would allegedly receive. Just what is the price elasticity? And how many iPhone 5S customers would choose the 5C at $349 but not at $549, reducing margins even further. It comes down to margin vs overhead vs volume. No one has yet shown any scenario which is better for Apple - all we have is "cut the price and you'll do better" drivel with absolutely no evidence to back them up.

Given the choice between letting Apple make the decisions and some brain dead analyst who has never managed a product introduction in his life, the decision is easy. And when it comes to AI know-it-alls like you, the decision is even easier. Go back to your Android forum.
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Bull. Munster understands mobile demand. You don't. .

Do you really think that Munster knows more about mobile demand than Apple? How many multibillion dollar products has he launched?
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post #133 of 297
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Kick Cook in the bollocks.
That was a serious question.
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This pricing seems very shortsighted. They seem to want to maintain their extremely high profit margins at the cost of losing market share and customers. I didn't agree with some idiot analysts that suggested it should sell around $300 but I do think they could have still made a very hefty profit at $459 unlocked. There is a big middle ground between $300 and $549. That is not cheap by any means but would at least have been more attainable to tens of millions more consumers than the $549 here in the U.S. or the $733 price it will be sold at unlocked in China. They made absolutely no concession in pricing and just repeated the previous pricing model and stuck last years phone in a plastic shell. As a stockholder I really hope I am proven wrong and it sells beyond the wildest expectations in BRIC type countries and in the 1st world as well but I just don't see that many Chinese paying $733 for this iPhone. The ones on China Mobile that desperately want an iPhone will now likely just pay a little more to get the 5S instead. People worried that the 5C would cannibalize sales. The reality id it appears the 5S will cannibalize sales from the 5C since they are priced so close.

But like 2 previous posters said I think this pricing might have been necessary because this is a transition year. next year they will be able to offer the 5C for $449 along with a full sized iPhone model addition. A larger iPhone along with a cheaper one that also offers LTE will allow Apple to grow. The question is whether they waited too late and now so many people are locked into the Android ecosystem if these people can be pulled in or not. Switching ecosystems is not an easy process especially for many games which will not transfer progress for example.
Totally agree with you. Personally I think they waited about a year or two too late. In the last year of regular travel to China, I've noticed over the last 12 months that the Chinese have lost interest in the iPhone. Sure my data point is observations in public or on the subways, but those are some crowded subways and before the iPhone 5 I saw a ton of iPhones, after the iPhone 5, I see far far fewer. Much more 5"+ screen now. So in order to not loose anymore market share in the East, apple needed a 5"+ iPhone at the iPhone 5. With the 5c, they really missed the Chinese "sweet spot" of $487. Really? $733 is a slap in the face to them.
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Almost like that "Jobs would never..." chestnut. No one said Apple wouldn't reach 700 with Jobs. The fact is the stock never did under Jobs.
That sure hurt the iPad mini. Also it's a play for customers to shell out the additional $100 to get the 5S.

 

Both these statements probably make sense to you.

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post #136 of 297
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Darned right they don't. Apple is doing its best to protect developers from such garbage. And that's why a large screen iPhone won't happen until iOS 7 has matured.

You didn't understand my post. A well worked app will need no code to handle different screen sizes. Adding art for retina was more work.


To those if you who don't understand the pricing madness here. It costs $100 to

a) upgrade an iPhone by 16g, or
b) get a new CPU, a 64 bit processor, a fingerprint sensor, a M7 chip etc. etc.

In other words people in a shop will often come in meaning to buy the 16G and end up with the 32G. I can't see why off contract buyers who can afford a plastic last years iPhone at 550 euro wouldn't upgrade to 650.

Or similar prices on contract ( an extra 5 euro a month ). It makes no sense.
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Really bad.   AAPL drops 5% while Dow is up more than 100 pts.

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I always saw the reality. You don't seem to.

Except there is.

Magical. Idiots pay the same or more for plastic Android phones. How wrong can you possibly be?

Hmm. I've quoted two sentences together. I wonder… if those sentences might directly relate. Nah.

Just shut up, okay? When you feel like not lying anymore, feel free to post again.

NO. ONE. GIVES. A. FLYING. FRICK.


IF you cannot reply in a NORMAL way without shouting or with stupid one liners, then you cannot even grasp what the idea of a forum is.

Have a nice day !

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Originally Posted by ElFig2012 View Post


When i posted my opinion yesterday I mentioned stock price falling, you gave some rather flat comments on that, now you see the reality.

There is not enough price space between 5C and 5S, here in Europe we will pay more than 550€ (around 650$) for a 16GB 5C.
This is bordering on ridicoclous ! and yes, we are talking plastic ....whatever the 'geniuses' at Apple may call it.

What use is for instance the 64bit CPU for us end users? all we care about is speed and longer battery life...only improvement there is that the 5S has longer standby time, wow...hold the press,big advantage...

Before you react, I'm a devoted Apple fan with lots of Apple material, this time I just find that they are aligning their iPhones to what Samung is doing, but Samsung does the same only 30% cheaper.

That's what I meant yesterday, where are the magic moments at Apple?

 

Welcome to Apple Insider, newbie.  As you gain more experience trolling, you will no doubt develop better technique.

Your attempt at a "concern troll," while technically meeting the definition, is a failure.

 

First: a true "concern troll" establishes the poster as an Apple fan within the first or second sentence.

This gets the pro-Apple reader on your side, and can fool the unwary into developing a (temporary) affinity with you.

 

Second: mentioning the A7 and its 64-bit computing capability is an obvious, glaring mistake.

An effective troll will never mention a feature or spec that indisputably trumps all competitors' products.

All it does is display your total lack of understanding of what 64-bit computing means for performance.

It makes you look even dumber.  And a good troll should at least attempt to look smart.

 

Third: anybody with a low post count who does nothing but hammer on Apple and its products?

Obvious troll.  You should have started with "Yeah, I agree with XYZ." posts to pad your post count first.

But nope.  Too late.  Better luck with your next handle.  Your "ElFig2012" handle is burned.  Forever.

 

Here's a "concern troll" template for you to follow next month, when new iPads are rolled out:

 

"I loved the presentation, and although I'm a long-time Apple user (Mac Pro, iPhone 5, G4 Cube)

I'm concerned that the new <Apple product> just isn't going to succeed in the open market.

The problem is that <Feature 1> misses the point.  I feel that <Competitor name> has done a better job.

Especially with their <Competitor product> and its <Feature 1> implementation, which looks exceptionally good.

I just wish Apple could do as good a job, and if they don't, I might be forced to switch to <Competitor name.>

This is very worrying.  Hoping Apple can survive <Competitor name> and the <Competitor product>."

 

Of course, following such an obvious format will also instantly label you as a copy-and-paste troll.

But that's still much better than your attempt above.

 

(Oh, and try to use some kind of spell-checker.  Jeez.)


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post #140 of 297

This goes on like clockwork.  It's pretty obvious at this point that folks should be selling stock right before these big announcements and then buying it back up right afterwards.

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If I could have a half hour of Tim Cook's time I'd ask him why apple let the cheap iPhone rumors/analysis go on without correcting it through back channels, anonymous sources etc. Apple could easily have leaked something to WSJ or Bloomberg indicating the phone wouldn't be as cheap as people were expecting. Why they allowed the iPhone 5C is for cheap rumors to stand is beyond me.

I was struck by how quickly Amazon put out a statement quashing the rumor that they are not working on a free phone, and not this year.

 

Apple should obviously not waste time responding to every rumor, but some are more important than others and deserve to be information-managed.

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I have a degree in businessology from the University of Imadethisup. In my experience as the successful CEO of Imaginary Corp, Inc., Apple is Doomed. My advice to Tim Cook is to chase competitors down every rabbit hole: big screens, cheaper phones, and thinner profit margins. That's the only way Apple can stay competitive.

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I seriously think Apple should buy back all stock from anyone who isn't an average guy/girl on the street who just happens to want to own shares in a company they like.  

 

Why the worry about the stock?  Will both these phones sell?  Hotcakes wish they sold like iPhones!  These will quickly become 2 of the 3 best selling phones ever.  Will you be able to buy one?  Yeah, eventually, as the production and demand even out.  Will Apple still have more money than god?  Yep.

 

Meanwhile, my daughter can choose between saving some money or having the latest tech, while I will definitely pick up an S and we will both be very happy.  And when the new ipads come out people will have a reason to scream about the stock again, while most real people (i.e. not Apple site trolls) go buy one.

 

All this whining about plastic!  Meanwhile Apple is replacing the majority of the point and shoot market, the majority of the video camera market, and creating several new markets with a phone that has a damn near desktop powerful CPU in it.  

 

...They might have even just fired a warning shot over intels bow there too.  Apple is still skating to where the puck is going to be, and a bunch of web trolls are screaming about where the puck never was.  Pathetic.

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I was struck by how quickly Amazon put out a statement quashing the rumor that they are not working on a free phone, and not this year.

Apple should obviously not waste time responding to every rumor, but some are more important than others and deserve to be information-managed.
Yep. And they have ways of doing it. I still think the retina mini rumors that WJS and Bloomberg published were intentional leaks by Apple.
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I was struck by how quickly Amazon put out a statement quashing the rumor that they are not working on a free phone, and not this year.

 

Apple should obviously not waste time responding to every rumor, but some are more important than others and deserve to be information-managed.

 

Yeah, with all of the leaks and rumors, virtually everything was known about yesterday's event. Nothing was a surprise basically.  Practically the only thing that was not yet known was the price.

 

Apple is no longer secretive, because everything is leaked beforehand now. 

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If I could have a half hour of Tim Cook's time I'd ask him why apple let the cheap iPhone rumors/analysis go on without correcting it through back channels, anonymous sources etc. Apple could easily have leaked something to WSJ or Bloomberg indicating the phone wouldn't be as cheap as people were expecting. Why they allowed the iPhone 5C is for cheap rumors to stand is beyond me.

Apple doesn't respond to rumors. If they did then they have to respond to all rumors including the truth.
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I take him seriously as a price analyst. His predictions are crap but I bet he knows something about Apple projects but Cook is too timid to pull trigger on new product releases. Cooks a disaster. Bring back forstall.

My suspicions have been proven correct. Forstall = Apple Maps 1.0. Apple release products when they are ready and not to Wall Street's timeline.
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Munster was talking about a low end device starting 15% margins leading to MORE REVENUE and higher EPS. 

If Munster said that, he does not understand valuation. I doubt he said something like that.

 

While EPS can mathematically increase, that is only part of the pricing equation: Price = [P/E]×[EPS]

 

Lower margins ⇒ Lower expected ROIC ⇒ Lower P/E ratio. In other words, the valuation consequences of an incremental EPS increase can be negative if the margin is lower.

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I have a degree in businessology from the University of Imadethisup. In my experience as the successful CEO of Imaginary Corp, Inc., Apple is Doomed. My advice to Tim Cook is to chase competitors down every rabbit hole: big screens, cheaper phones, and thinner profit margins. That's the only way Apple can stay competitive.

 

Well, one down... cheaper phones.

 

2 to go.

 

Looks like that degree is paying off.

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I have a degree in businessology from the University of Imadethisup. In my experience as the successful CEO of Imaginary Corp, Inc., Apple is Doomed. My advice to Tim Cook is to chase competitors down every rabbit hole: big screens, cheaper phones, and thinner profit margins. That's the only way Apple can stay competitive.

You went to U of I too? lol.gif

These analysts would've complained regardless of what Apple did. A lower cost iPhone would've resulted in the lower margin complaints.
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Yep. And they have ways of doing it. I still think the retina mini rumors that WJS and Bloomberg published were intentional leaks by Apple.

 

I'm not so sure about that. I think that if Apple has a retina iPad Mini up their sleeves, then they should just release it as soon as possible, that and the new iPad 5 also.

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Really bad.   AAPL drops 5% while Dow is up more than 100 pts.

Look at the bright side: the rest of your portfolio is doing better! 8-)

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I am very disappointed about the price as it relates to China. It's possible however that the carriers may charge substantially less as the carriers will surely pay less than what Apple posts as their unlocked price on their web site. If they did that Apple could lower there carrier price/margin in China and sell more and have a larger carrier price/margin in the US where carrier subsidies take the sting out of it. People may be over reacting too soon.
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They set themselves up perfectly for next year.

Next year the iPhone 5C becomes $449.
The iPhone 5S becomes $549 and $649
and the iPhone 6 with a 4.5 inch screen becomes $649 upward.

Really a beautiful move.

- 5C = reworked from the iPhone 5 because of the iPhone 5's scratch problems and I think they wanted to change internals (China Mobile band?)

- 5S = Needed to keep the same form factor because of accessories and equipment that make these phones. Lots of innovation otherwise. Fingerprint sensor will be awesome.

- China Mobile = will come; they will ease into it

Only one thing lacking in iPhone innovation, the screen-size. That's it. Otherwise they did a fantastic job. None of this is easy.

 

Enlarging the screen size is not an innovation. Innovation is making it smaller and keeping it as strong as the larger one (iPad Mini). 

 

Screen size is a matter of power and autonomy. Even with new A7 and 64-bit kernel the speed has increased 100%, which is by far too little to power 4x graphic resolution, while new resolution or larger pixel size are simply not an option for Apple, thanks god.

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So they (analysts) want "cheaper" BUT when they get "cheaper" those same idiots will start harping about lower margins. Either way they talk the stock down. I have gotten a real education the last few years on how the stock market and analysts really work by following AAPL. It's all simply about wringing as much money out of a company as possible, by any means available, for as long as possible, and then dropping the corpse and moving on to the next victim. Not a single care about the company itself, the business, the employees, the product, the reputation. 

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This makes no sense whatsoever.

Tallest Skill and the other frothing cultists have declared yesterday the single most important moment in all humanity - the greatest innovation of all collective human experience and knowledge was rolled out in a plastic phone...

how... how can this be?


This is why...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/apple-unveils-panicked-ideafree-man-at-launch-even,33814/

 

This certainly can't be serious.  Not if you are including an "Onion" article.  

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Originally Posted by ElFig2012 View Post
IF you cannot reply in a NORMAL way without shouting or with stupid one liners, then you cannot even grasp what the idea of a forum is.

 

If you can't present your "opinions" without truth to back them up, don't expect people to waste their time giving you long-winded responses.

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Look at the bright side: the rest of your portfolio is doing better! 8-)

 

Unless you're like me, and don't diversify. I always put all of my cash on one horse. It may have disadvantages, but can have advantages too.

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You didn't understand my post. A well worked app will need no code to handle different screen sizes. Adding art for retina was more work.
 

 

You have no idea. Nuff said.

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Apple will maintain their margins with the iPhone 5C, but it's hard to see their multiple growing by keeping the price structure. Without making significant penetration now outside the US, within 5 years they risk becoming an even smaller player in the market they essentially created. Once customers have chosen a different ecosystem, to get them back they'd probably be competing on cost. No significant portion of users are going to switch platforms because of the relative merits of features like a fingerprint sensor (Apple) or eye-tracking (Samsung). Scoff if you like, but Microsoft and Nokia have an interesting lineup and their market penetration is growing glacially. And it may become a glacier suffering from global warming.

 

I read somewhere here that Wall Street expects innovation on a schedule and how ridiculous that is. It's folly to expect significant innovation at all; most progress is rote and uninspiring when you take off your rose-colored Google Glass. (E.g., said fingerprint sensors and eye-tracking.) If you submit that innovation doesn't happen on a timetable, you also have to agree that innovation may not come at all - or certainly not within investors' timetables (which could be a few years or more). Don't expect investors to bid up a stock because there will be innovation Real Soon Now but mock them for having been so silly to have expected it this quarter, or last quarter, or next quarter.

 

Finally, petulance in posts regarding analysts (lying, wrong idiots who should be fired) displays fundamental misunderstanding. You're not their customer. They're serving their customers quite well, and that's why you keep seeing the same analysts time and again.

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I'm not so sure about that. I think that if Apple has a retina iPad Mini up their sleeves, then they should just release it as soon as possible, that and the new iPad 5 also.
Last year we saw new iPads in October. I suspect we'll see the same this year. Apple isn't going to stomp on the iPhone launch with new iPads.
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