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Apple's upcoming iCloud keychain feature removed from iOS 7 Golden Master

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Developers updating their devices to the iOS 7 Golden Master seed have found that iCloud keychain, Apple's new cloud-based credential storage system, has disappeared.

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iCloud Keychain, a new feature of iOS 7 and OS X 10.9 Mavericks that allows users to securely store account names, passwords, and credit card information in iCloud and sync the data between their Macs, iPhones, and iPads, appears to have been removed from the latest iOS 7 pre-release seed.

The feature, revealed at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference in June, previously appeared as a toggle in the iCloud settings menu, but is now missing.

In addition, Apple's iOS 7 'What's New' page now lists iCloud Keychain as 'Coming Soon,' an indication that there has been a change to the feature's delivery schedule. It is possible that Cupertino may have opted to delay the release to coincide with the rollout of OS X Mavericks, which is expected in late October.
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That's weird, especially since they talked about it during WWDC. But the tie-in with 10.9 may make sense here.
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Wh… but… No… :(

 

So. iOS 7.0.1, then…

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post #4 of 44
Wouldn't be surprised if iCloud keychain is there but has been deactivated until Mavericks roles out.
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Maybe the NSA scandal made AES appear too insecure?
Maybe it was too buggy?
Maybe they just were busy enjoying mojitos and forgot to code the feature?

Who cares. It'll come when it comes. What I want to know is WHEN IS THE MAC PRO AVAILABLE?
This year, on the 31st of December?

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With the NSA and soon everyone else hacking into cloud services or more likely demanding a back door, why would you even consider putting your passwords in cloud storage????
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Running both the betas it has been less then impressive, its probably smarter to remove it and polish it before it up before wide release.
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Running both the betas it has been less then impressive, its probably smarter to remove it and polish it before it up before wide release.

 

Just license the back end tech from Roboform and plug it in.  Been using it for over 10 years and it works great.

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I'm glad to see them holding back features until the bugs have been squashed. They don't want another round of bad press like Maps on iOS 6.
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It'll be added back once OS X is released and iCloud is updated. No reason to have it in there now.
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With the NSA and soon everyone else hacking into cloud services or more likely demanding a back door, why would you even consider putting your passwords in cloud storage????

If the passwords are for logging into cloud/internet services... Does your point even matter? 

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I'm glad to see them holding back features until the bugs have been squashed. They don't want another round of bad press like Maps on iOS 6.

 

what bugs?  It's a Mavericks timing issue.   While I doubt they planned on simultaneous release, they had to a) announce and b) test it.  Now they just have to get the back end deployed (your desktop).

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I'm sure they're partying big time ....

 

For another month at most.

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The fingerprint scanner seems pretty amazing to me, and I was wondering why they didn't give it more time/attention in the keynote, but maybe dropping keychain at the last minute (and any related demos) is the reason why. Either way, I still have to suffer another year on contract with my (still awesome) iPhone 5 while I lust after the features of the 5s. It's a small price to pay for being an Apple fan 1smile.gif

   

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Or it could be because the stupid thing never worked right in iOS, especially on the iPad.
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Or it could be because the stupid thing never worked right in iOS, especially on the iPad.

Smarten up!

 

Companies release beta/pre-lease software to help work the bugs out, if it worked perfectly it would have been released as a finished product. Don't want bugs, then don't run beta/pre-release software or participate in beta/pre-release programs.

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post #18 of 44
Good thing. They should test and test and test this thing!
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I thought for sure that this would pair with Touch ID so it would save your passwords and just ask for your fingerprint to input the password for you.... Maybe it's not quite ready yet
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what bugs?  It's a Mavericks timing issue.   While I doubt they planned on simultaneous release, they had to a) announce and b) test it.  Now they just have to get the back end deployed (your desktop).

 

I beg to differ. If you have multiple iOS devices, then why would this need to wait until it's available in OSX too?

 

I'd argue that it's been removed because it didn't work. At least not in iOS. It works really well in Mavericks, but on iOS it keeps asking to authenticate using a passcode or another device. Neither works and so it continues asking to authenticate.

 

And for those hoping it's a replacement for 1Password, it isn't. Not completely. If all you use 1Password for is storing passwords and wallets, then it probably will. I also use 1Password for storing (and syncing between machines) my software licenses. I suppose you could, in theory, move to iCloud Keychain and buy AppShelf for less. 1Password is fantastic, but there's no argument it's damn expensive...

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Smarten up!

 

Companies release beta/pre-lease software to help work the bugs out, if it worked perfectly it would have been released as a finished product. Don't want bugs, then don't run beta/pre-release software or participate in beta/pre-release programs.

 

Apologist mode in full effect, I see. Well done. Over a year of in house alphas, plus 6 public betas, should have been more than enough time to make keychain work. That it was dropped completely in the GM smacks of abandonment, plain and simple. I'm fine with that, personally, as it's usefulness was doubtful anyway.

 

By the by, I'm a DEVELOPER, Realistic. Not sure what you do for a living, but dealing with software bugs is a large part of my job. That said, there is bug, and then there is broken. Keychain is broken, period. Hey thanks for the ignorant lecture though, as those are always amusing.

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Edited by Isidore - 9/11/13 at 4:04pm
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'Secure' banking? Otherwise don't know, never use US based cloud from Europe
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That's funny, I'm running the GM release and it's still there in the Safari preferences just like the screen shot above.

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Or they may have decided they needed more time to make it NSA proof.
Edited by FreeRange - 9/11/13 at 4:40pm
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With the NSA and soon everyone else hacking into cloud services or more likely demanding a back door, why would you even consider putting your passwords in cloud storage????

 

I think that's it myself. They were probably approached and told that they'd have to provide keys to the NSA and have decided to kill the service instead. If no other mention is made by Apple, it's reasonable* to think they were given a secret letter and decided to let the NSA pound sand but can't reveal that. Or maybe it doesn't matter since most of the encryption and OSes are riddled with back doors anyway thanks to the US government, and it will show up with Mavericks.

 

* Reasonable - because pretty much any speculation like this is no longer in the tin-foil hat realm.

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Get 1Password and Dropbox, problem solved.
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This feature is here and it work OK. Go to Settimgs-Safari-Passwords and Autofill. Why AppleInsider spreads false information?
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I think that's it myself. They were probably approached and told that they'd have to provide keys to the NSA and have decided to kill the service instead. If no other mention is made by Apple, it's reasonable* to think they were given a secret letter and decided to let the NSA pound sand but can't reveal that. Or maybe it doesn't matter since most of the encryption and OSes are riddled with back doors anyway thanks to the US government, and it will show up with Mavericks.

* Reasonable - because pretty much any speculation like this is no longer in the tin-foil hat realm.

That's an interesting idea. It seemed like there was something a bit off during the keynote, but I haven't been able to put my finger on it. Something that surprised me was the relatively recent confirmation that Apple is the only major tech company not to have been paid by the NSA Prism program, and I have no idea why it got almost no coverage:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-costs-tech-companies-paid

   

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Originally Posted by enjourni View Post
Get 1Password and Dropbox, problem solved.


Great, two pointless, third-party features I neither need nor want.

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That's an interesting idea. It seemed like there was something a bit off during the keynote, but I haven't been able to put my finger on it. Something that surprised me was the relatively recent confirmation that Apple is the only major tech company not to have been paid by the NSA Prism program, and I have no idea why it got almost no coverage:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-costs-tech-companies-paid

Apple didn't join the program until last year if the previous reports are accurate. I didn't see anything in your link saying Apple wasn't reimbursed if legal requests for information were made by NSA, not that it would really matter anyway.
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With the NSA and soon everyone else hacking into cloud services or more likely demanding a back door, why would you even consider putting your passwords in cloud storage????

 

Considering this is nothing new, has been going on for decades, and will never cease...Oh and is actually far worse than is reported to the public...

 

...why would you suddenly start caring? Because it was on the news?

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Waiting for Mavericks to roll out, lol people don't be too lead on by these that it makes you begin to :rolleyes:question apple. They announced the feature, they are definitely delivering for crying out loud.
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Great, two pointless, third-party features I neither need nor want.

 

I don't want either, either...yet need both. Apple hasn't given us anything close to Dropbox for certain things. And until iCloud Keychain is fully deployed, I still need 1password.

 

Happy to say that my basic testing of iCloud Keychain is that is far better than 1Password, as it should be. 1Password is far too inconsistent and unreliable.

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It would make sense that the upcoming Keychain iCloud sync feature has been removed from iOS7 since OSX Mavericks has not yet been released. No Mavericks, then there could be no keychain sync. It will all have to roll out at the same time for it to sync. Or at least that is what I think.
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The fingerprint scanner seems pretty amazing to me, and I was wondering why they didn't give it more time/attention in the keynote, but maybe dropping keychain at the last minute (and any related demos) is the reason why. Either way, I still have to suffer another year on contract with my (still awesome) iPhone 5 while I lust after the features of the 5s. It's a small price to pay for being an Apple fan 1smile.gif

 

The obvious goal would be to link your iCloud keychain to Touch ID authentication. After all the only thing better than having to remember one password is having to remember none. Considering the emphasis they placed on fingerprint data not being transmitted beyond the A7 chip I imagine Apple felt everyone would need additional time to warm to the concept before rolling it out, especially in the wake of the Snowden revelations.

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Is it me or had iCloud keychain been working in previous versions since WWDC, every time I enter a password iCloud keychain has popped up.
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I don't think it it purely a timing issue with Mavericks. Keychain syncing would also benefit those with both an iPhone and iPad. In my time with both the Mavericks and iOS 7 betas, I did run into issues with iCloud Keychain. I think they are still ironing out issues with it.

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Apple didn't join the program until last year if the previous reports are accurate. I didn't see anything in your link saying Apple wasn't reimbursed if legal requests for information were made by NSA, not that it would really matter anyway.

 

I'm not sure I understand your point. Yes, they don't explicitly say that Apple wasn't reimbursed, but it is implied, as the report says the NSA mentioned Yahoo!, google, and microsoft; why would they not name the biggest tech player, if they did indeed participate? To me it further points to Apple's commitment to integrity, and by extension, the lack of integrity of the other companies (e.g. google) who denied any involvement, but who appear to have been lying. It is part of a consistent pattern that we see in the respective companies. Apple follows the rules (good integrity), google does whatever they can get away with, and settles for fines when they are caught (poor integrity).

   

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I can see the feature on my iPhone and on my iPad. It does not seem to sync though.





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