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post #41 of 230
SamScream's copiers are hot and ready, as usual. It wasn't as if Apple designed and had its 64 chips ready to roar in a weekend but even with Apple's roadmap, the great copier will have its hands full in this little choir. I'm sure Apple's legal teem is up and ready to roar. This side show act will be hailed as progressive by the media. SamO'Sam, charge ahead. 1oyvey.gif

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post #42 of 230
Oh great, here comes the 64 bit processor race. Because we all need to open Instagram or Facebook *that* much faster in our daily lives. Sigh.
post #43 of 230

Anything to distract from their great 'smartwatch.'

post #44 of 230

Samsung's research and development department:

post #45 of 230
And why is that surprising? After all Samsung has copied everything from Apple so the fact that they did not do it before Apple is not at all a surprise.
post #46 of 230

A couple of things... 

 

First, don't bash Samsung for making junk. Why? The A7 is made by Samung, at least in part if not entirely: http://************/2013/07/31/apples-upcoming-a7-iphone-chip-will-have-samsung-components-code-inside-ios-7-reveals/

 

Second, 64 bit is part of a roadmap for the future, with almost no benefit today. This is true for both Samsung and Apple, but Samsung has reached the critical limit before Apple. That's because their current phones ship with 3GB RAM, almost the 4GB limit. iPhone 5s ships with only 2GB RAM (iPhone 5 has 1GB). Read this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57602372-94/the-real-reasons-apples-64-bit-a7-chip-makes-sense/

 

Third, benchmarks show that A7 is twice as fast as A6, which puts it around the same performance as today's Galaxy S4: http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2013/03/samsung-galaxy-s-4-benchmarks/

post #47 of 230
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Sorry to be the one to tell you, but our own NSA far outstrips China and Russia in terms of hacking, spying and built-in backdoor access.

 

What makes you think they're any better; have you fallen for Putin's propaganda?

 

Go to Russia and dare to complain like you're complaining now.

They'll spy on you as much as the NSA and personally teach you a whole new meaning to "backdoor access".

 

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post #48 of 230

Major surprise - I was fully expecting Samsung to announce that they were going to have 65 bit processing.

post #49 of 230
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Originally Posted by Howie View Post

Competition is good. Heaven forfend the day we should see only one mobile device maker.

 

Competition for competition's sake isn't necessarily good. 

post #50 of 230

Actually to do 64 bit computing,there is no need  to have 4gb ram ,if you can control your operating system...

Read pros and cons  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit

post #51 of 230
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Originally Posted by Dave MacLachlan View Post

Surprised they didn't announce a 65-bit processor... 'Cause that extra bit would make it THAT MUCH better than Apple's puny little girly-man of a 64-bit processor.

 

Funny :D

post #52 of 230
A 64-bit processor isn't a big deal unless the device has > 4GB of RAM. The fact that either company is using it for marketing purposes at this point is ridiculous. Will it make Apple's life easier to have iOS and OSX both as 64-bit? Sure. But just because 64 > 32 doesn't mean this was a revolutionary move on Apple's part. One day, phones may get more RAM and this move will pay off for consumers. Not right now. Even then, it's highly unlikely that a mobile OS in the next 10 years will allow a single application to address anywhere near 4GB of memory.

Keep in mind that since most Android apps are built entirely in Java, which runs on top of the Java Virtual Machine, all of these Android apps will run in 64-bit mode once the JVM is ported to run in 64-bit mode. They don't need to be rebuilt/resubmitted to the Play store. With Apple, most apps are compiled to native binaries (no VM layer). While this has performance benefits, it's going to be a pain in the ass for developers to migrate from 32 to 64-bit--significantly harder than it will be for Android developers. This is a step that Apple needed to take first. Remember their growing pains around the switch of OSX to 64-bit? Universal binaries vs. 32-bit binaries? Same problem they're trying to solve here.
Edited by scottt732 - 9/12/13 at 8:16am
post #53 of 230
This will be tougher for Samsung because the OS has to fully support 64 bit and the Os will have to allow backwards compatibility for 32 bit apps.
post #54 of 230
Originally Posted by mr O View Post

I hope Apple is NOT getting into the "my-screen-is-bigger-than-yours" race.

 

Thanks for the false concern, based on nothing whatsoever relevant to the article.

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post #55 of 230
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Originally Posted by jusephe View Post

So we will have lots of smartphones with 64 bit rushing out next year. By that time Apple will have 90% of its users on 64 bit OS (iOS 7)
And I think over 50% percent of Apps remaked for 64 bit, that will run so fast on the 5S they will literally flew out the screen.I like taking pot shots at Samsung as much as anyone else here, but let's not fabricate stuff about Apple either.

 

I like taking pot shots at Samsung as much as anyone else but let's not fabricate stuff.

The iPhone 5/5C/4S users will all still be running the 32 bit version of iOS7 and apps.

It will take a few years before more than 90% of users will be full 64 bit. Granted, the transition will be much quicker for the iOS user base than it will, for the Android user base but 1 year is definitely not enough time, even for Apple.

post #56 of 230

  There has to be some importance in the fact that they specified "Desktop Class" 64 bit, Right?   (Sure Steve J. would have explained that a bit more.

 

  Also, did the guy running the game at presentation say that it only took him 2 hours to port it to 64 bit himself?    So does that mean that all other apps will be a piece of cake to upgrade?

post #57 of 230

The three main things I keep thinking about a 64bit iPhone are:

 

1) Unless you play games, you don't need this "power" at all. 

 

therefore

 

2) It's main, and almost only real use will be in iPads 

 

therefore

 

3) If the next iPads don't have an A7 in them, they kind of have a "negative" before they are even for sale. 

 

Maybe that vague rumour about a second iPad mini update in mid 2014 is because the one they are going to sell next month is only 32 bit and will be obsolete after six months?  

post #58 of 230
I really hate Samsung.
post #59 of 230
Why wouldn't the next gen of iPads have the 64 bit chip?
post #60 of 230

I wonder how good is Samsung copy machine is, wonder if can resolve down to the level of Apple 64bit architecture. They maybe able to copy the hardware, but the photocopier may not work on the software as well.

 

Base on the fact Samsung obviously had no clue this was coming otherwise they would have preempted it last week, it sound like Samsung did not make the A7 chip, this must have gone to TSMC. 

post #61 of 230
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Originally Posted by Howie View Post

Competition is good. Heaven forfend the day we should see only one mobile device maker.

Competition based on innovation is good. Competition based on tearing apart your competitor's product to try and emulate it is not. Bringing to market an innovative idea is more expensive than using a competitors finished product to bypass your own R& D. Allowing blind copying to compete in the market place ultimately kills innovation because the innovator can't compete with the copier on price. Dyson is the latest company to sue Samsung over competing by merely copying Dyson's products to bypass its own R & D.
Edited by TBell - 9/12/13 at 8:19am
post #62 of 230
Originally Posted by Howie View Post
Competition is good. Heaven forfend the day we should see only one mobile device maker.

 

Great. When one of the companies that isn't Apple decides to actually start competing with them instead of just stealing their ideas wholesale, you be sure to let us know. 

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post #63 of 230

Google is quickly working on 64bit Coffee Crisp

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post #64 of 230
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Why wouldn't the next gen of iPads have the 64 bit chip?

 

They may, they may not.  We don't know yet. 

post #65 of 230
Anything Apple can do, Samsung can do it better by copying and sell it for less. They've been doing that for years and beating the hell out of rivals with that business model. Samsung will likely prove beyond a doubt it can do anything better than Apple can. Samsung is the best product cloner company in the world. Apple doesn't have any plan to go up against a company like that.

Samsung has a huge staff of employees to mass produce things that would take Apple a long time to accomplish. Samsung can basically change direction on a dime with multiple product roadmaps. Samsung doesn't waste a lot of time with long-range product development. They see something successful, they copy it, BOOM, it's done. Samsung doesn't focus on one product at a time and uses a shotgun attack. Samsung may have to use a lot more resources but it usually pays off because it overwhelms rivals and they're beaten into submission.

Apple already got a taste of Samsung's skills last year and it just plain sucked the value out of Apple. Apple got caught with it's pants down. Samsung smartphone sales went through the roof while iPhone sales went into the toilet.
post #66 of 230
Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

They may, they may not.  We don't know yet. 

 

Next iPad gets A7X. Obviously it's 64-bit.

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post #67 of 230
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Originally Posted by YourBuddy View Post

A couple of things... 

First, don't bash Samsung for making junk. Why? The A7 is made by Samung, at least in part if not entirely: [URL=http:/2013/07/31/apples-upcoming-a7-iphone-chip-will-have-samsung-components-code-inside-ios-7-reveals/]http://************/2013/07/31/apples-upcoming-a7-iphone-chip-will-have-samsung-components-code-inside-ios-7-reveals/[/URL]

Second, 64 bit is part of a roadmap for the future, with almost no benefit today. This is true for both Samsung and Apple, but Samsung has reached the critical limit before Apple. That's because their current phones ship with 3GB RAM, almost the 4GB limit. iPhone 5s ships with only 2GB RAM (iPhone 5 has 1GB). Read this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57602372-94/the-real-reasons-apples-64-bit-a7-chip-makes-sense/

Third, benchmarks show that A7 is twice as fast as A6, which puts it around the same performance as today's Galaxy S4: http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2013/03/samsung-galaxy-s-4-benchmarks/

People are mostly bashing Samsung for copying others. Apple designed its own processor. Samsung is merely acting as a Foundry whereby Apple is hiring it to use its manufacturing facilities to build the chip. This by the way makes it easier for Samsung to borrow Apple's ideas, but Apple would lose money if it were to build its own chip fabricating plant because unlike with Samsung Apple would not build chips for a variety of companies.
post #68 of 230
Didn't they stop with this immitating business already? Hahaha, bunch of shameless goons.
post #69 of 230
How utterly Microsoft of them...
post #70 of 230
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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post

Anything Apple can do, Samsung can do it better by copying and sell it for less. They've been doing that for years and beating the hell out of rivals with that business model. Samsung will likely prove beyond a doubt it can do anything better than Apple can. Samsung is the best product cloner company in the world. Apple doesn't have any plan to go up against a company like that.

Samsung has a huge staff of employees to mass produce things that would take Apple a long time to accomplish. Samsung can basically change direction on a dime with multiple product roadmaps. Samsung doesn't waste a lot of time with long-range product development. They see something successful, they copy it, BOOM, it's done. Samsung doesn't focus on one product at a time and uses a shotgun attack. Samsung may have to use a lot more resources but it usually pays off because it overwhelms rivals and they're beaten into submission.

Apple already got a taste of Samsung's skills last year and it just plain sucked the value out of Apple. Apple got caught with it's pants down. Samsung smartphone sales went through the roof while iPhone sales went into the toilet.

You might be right, but when nobody is left to copy, consumers will be left with a bunch of crappy products. I told everybody in my house they'd be disowned if ever a Samsung product makes it into my home.
post #71 of 230
Now the rumor makes sense that both the new iPad and the new mini will get the A7 chip. Both will be 64 bit. Both will have Retina displays, and both will have a similar form factor. The old mini will likely stick around for awhile to be replaced by mini "c" in the spring as has also been reported.
post #72 of 230
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Originally Posted by res08hao View Post

Samsung should be renamed Monkey See.

Aw, you're being too harsh: I'd give them credit for Monkey Do too.


Edited by anantksundaram - 9/12/13 at 8:22am
post #73 of 230
"The CPU includes over a billion processor"

Wow. Sounds technical.
post #74 of 230
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Originally Posted by YourBuddy View Post
 

A couple of things... 

 

First, don't bash Samsung for making junk. Why? The A7 is made by Samung, at least in part if not entirely: http://************/2013/07/31/apples-upcoming-a7-iphone-chip-will-have-samsung-components-code-inside-ios-7-reveals/

 

Second, 64 bit is part of a roadmap for the future, with almost no benefit today. This is true for both Samsung and Apple, but Samsung has reached the critical limit before Apple. That's because their current phones ship with 3GB RAM, almost the 4GB limit. iPhone 5s ships with only 2GB RAM (iPhone 5 has 1GB). Read this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57602372-94/the-real-reasons-apples-64-bit-a7-chip-makes-sense/

 

Third, benchmarks show that A7 is twice as fast as A6, which puts it around the same performance as today's Galaxy S4: http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2013/03/samsung-galaxy-s-4-benchmarks/

 

First, Samsung is one of the mfg Apple uses for producing their proprietary ARM custom chip, beside Apple bought few years ago the R&D teams reponsible for Samsung ARM development, ever since Samsung are using generic and wildly available ARM + GPU design.

 

Second,  there is a lot more to go with 64bit computing than merely addressing over 4GB of RAM, the terms itself meaning the length of the registers.  Having registers twice as big and twice the numbers as the previous generation, the A7 is a desktop class beast for it's 1 watt power envelope.  Going 64 bits was the best way to push further the ARM platform and eventually every device will be 64 bit.  Apple does it right to be an early adopter.

 

Third, too bad Android only wins synthetic benchmark, this picture doesn't translate in real life application like browsing and games. This is were you realize that apps won't necessary benefit from adding more core to a CPU

post #75 of 230

Samsung co-CEO Shin Jong-kyun's pep up speech to his team:

 

Step#1: Ctrl C

Step#2: Ctrl V

Step#3: logo change

post #76 of 230
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Originally Posted by ChiA View Post
 

Go to Russia and dare to complain like you're complaining now.

They'll spy on you as much as the NSA and personally teach you a whole new meaning to "backdoor access".

 

Russian inmate's beating puts spotlight on police brutality

 an unemployed man of 52, died in March after being beaten by police officers and sodomized with a champagne bottle during questioning over a minor offence.

I agree that Russia's a pretty brutal place on a lot of fronts, but I wouldn't get too uppity: just do a search for 'Abner Louima.'

post #77 of 230
Samsung is a copier. It is a follower.

Thus, Samsung is going to copy Apple's lead to create 64-big processors.

The problem is Samsung has to follow Google. It has to wait until Google has a 64-big version of Android.

Samsung is forever the follower and copier, not the leader.

To be a leader, Samsung will have to develop its own fork of Android. But it is scared to since this means it will have to also create its own mapping app and other cloud services.
post #78 of 230
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Originally Posted by res08hao View Post

There is NOTHING Koreans won't copy. Samsung should be renamed Monkey See.

LOL! Spot on!
post #79 of 230
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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post

Anything Apple can do, Samsung can do it better by copying and sell it for less. They've been doing that for years and beating the hell out of rivals with that business model. Samsung will likely prove beyond a doubt it can do anything better than Apple can. Samsung is the best product cloner company in the world. Apple doesn't have any plan to go up against a company like that.

Samsung has a huge staff of employees to mass produce things that would take Apple a long time to accomplish. Samsung can basically change direction on a dime with multiple product roadmaps. Samsung doesn't waste a lot of time with long-range product development. They see something successful, they copy it, BOOM, it's done. Samsung doesn't focus on one product at a time and uses a shotgun attack. Samsung may have to use a lot more resources but it usually pays off because it overwhelms rivals and they're beaten into submission.

Apple already got a taste of Samsung's skills last year and it just plain sucked the value out of Apple. Apple got caught with it's pants down. Samsung smartphone sales went through the roof while iPhone sales went into the toilet.

 

One thing wrong with your view... Samsung doesnt do software, which is 50% of the user experience. 

post #80 of 230
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Originally Posted by scottt732 View Post

Keep in mind that since most Android apps are built entirely in Java, which runs on top of the Java Virtual Machine, all of these Android apps will run in 64-bit mode once the JVM is ported to run in 64-bit mode. They don't need to be rebuilt/resubmitted to the Play store. With Apple, most apps are compiled to native binaries (no VM layer). While this has performance benefits, it's going to be a pain in the ass for developers to migrate from 32 to 64-bit--significantly harder than it will be for Android developers. This is a step that Apple needed to take first. Remember their growing pains around the switch of OSX to 64-bit? Universal binaries vs. 32-bit binaries? Same problem they're trying to solve here.

To your first point I bolded, didn't the infinity blade developer say it took TWO HOURS to go from 32-bit to 64-bit due to the tools Apple provided? That same toolkit available to all developers? Can't imagine moving twitter or Instagram or with friends games is going to be that big of a deal. Could be wrong, who knows.

The second bolded part? I've been using Apple computers since 1983 at least. I remember the 32>64 transition. Didn't notice many pain points at all.
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