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Here's a thought...

What if they port the OS X Parallels app to iOS7 and a new iPad running an A7X with Lots of RAM and SSD...

That way we could run Windows 8 and MS Office on an iPad...


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I am willing to bet my right arm that Apple isn't developing an iwatch, but will partner with other companies (such as Nike) to make wearable tech. I think iwatch trademarking is a red herring, and while some trip over themselves (Samsung) to make smartwatches, Apple will take over the living room, the car, and who knows what else.

I like that Samsung has no idea what iWatch is. But left to their own imagination, a phone on wrist straps is all they could come up with.

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If you think Apple isn't developing an iWatch then you don't follow Engineering hires.

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Noooo! Don't ban Stevel. He'll lose his job as "Social Media Provocateur" at Samsung! lol.gif

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I like that Samsung has no idea what iWatch is. But left to their own imagination, a phone on wrist straps is all they could come up with.

 

And it's not even a phone: it's a Bluetooth headset with a screen, that only works with a couple phone models and costs $300.

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Here's a thought...

What if they port the OS X Parallels app to iOS7 and a new iPad running an A7X with Lots of RAM and SSD...

That way we could run Windows 8 and MS Office on an iPad...


Oops... spent too long a time visiting with my good friend Jaques Daniels -- and now I must barf!

 

I can beat that.  Since ARMv8 can run 32 bit ARM code via hypervisor you can load up your iOS device with RAM to run all those Android, Windows Phone apps.    /s

 

cheers!

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post #167 of 366
Hopefully Apple won't be sending any of their custom A7 designs to Samsung, cutting off their source of "inspiration".

Maybe they can take things further by allowing HTC limited use of a version of these chips, taking Samsung down a notch or two with a competitive product and further cementing their relationship with Taiwan.
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We should be glad Samsung is forcing Apple to innovate this good.

Woz tenderly puts all his Samsung products to bed every night.

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post #169 of 366
It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.
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About time Apple gave their business to somebody else rather than their competition

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Well no one knows the extent apple is already relying on the 64 bit chip.  The fingerprint sensor and the camera features probably rely heavily on it.  Yes obviously there will be a ton of applications for a 64bit smart phone - just wait to see what the devs cook up.  And as this article points out - there is the usual anti-appletards spouting pablem about how wrong or unimportant apple's breakthroughs are - only to eat their words later as they use apple championed/developed technology in their future device.

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I think the next company which should be afraid of their business should be Intel. I'm asking myself how long it will take for Apple to switch their processor hardware for the consumer products Mac Mini / MacBook Air to A7.

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Windows Phone is a low volume curiosity product for eccentrics.

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.... Another brilliant analysis and piece of investigative journalism - bravo! ...

Apple has done it again - a 32 to 64-bit transition literally overnight!

 

Agreed, great reading and excellent journalism.

 

I think you mean 'overnight' in a metaphorical not literal sense. Even with Apple's huge resources and experience it would take more than a single night to rewrite 32 bit code to 64 bit.

post #176 of 366
"Given that Apple's iPhone product lineup has now subtly shifted from selling "the last three generations" of iPhones to a new two-tier model featuring an upscale iPhone 5s and mainstream iPhone 5c (flanked by a low end iPhone 4S, and in some countries an even cheaper iPhone 4)"

How is it a two-tier model if they're still selling at least three models, like you described in the same sentence?
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" reserves a gold-plated (literally in this case) version "

Is the white/gold version of the iPhone 5s plated with real gold?
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It would be fascinating to get insight - fat chance - into Apple's internal structure and processes in developing new technologies like the A7 for their products.  You have to figure that Bob Mansfield is in the very middle of all of it, but how do they make the decisions like Samsung vs. TSMC as a supplier, etc.  All kinds of parameters from cost, risk, product schedules, and much else come into play.  Enormously tricky.

 

One thing that strikes me is that this does not seem to have the earmarks of a committee process.  It looks to me more like the result of a single strong person visionary who can lead the company along his view of the future.  Apple certainly has a precedent for that, now gone.  But are any of the obvious candidates - Mansfield?  Cook?  Ive? Someone else? - that person? 

 

Again, would be fascinating to get a glimpse into what goes on Cupertino, but of course it's not in the cards.

 

But maybe you are just wrong by "now gone"? Maybe Jobs is still in charge as visionary? Guy made plans and roadmaps for years ahead and  even for different scenarios for different products and then put in charge another guy who is operational genius and who is clearly capable to follow them. Maybe Apple stays on such focused course because there's no new "leader" with his/her own vision that could rock the boat, alas there's already Jobs' vision that is still executed? 

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Off-topic, I know, but the Right has more than its share of 'by/for idiots' too, starting with Fox News and the Heritage Foundation (in the US).

Hell yes, couldn't agree more.

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post #180 of 366
What a fantastic article in so many ways. Well done.
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Great article as always! Thank you DED!!!

 

 

PS: LOL at the clueless fandroids who tried to invalidate the article. Truly pathetic!!

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Hopefully Apple won't be sending any of their custom A7 designs to Samsung, cutting off their source of "inspiration".

Maybe they can take things further by allowing HTC limited use of a version of these chips, taking Samsung down a notch or two with a competitive product and further cementing their relationship with Taiwan.

HTC and TSMC are two very different companies. HTC happens to be competing with Apple, why should Apple feed the opposition?? Hell, even if they did that there's no guarantee HTC won't "borrow" those plans to Samscum. Heliocentric Theological Church!

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Those saying a move to a 64-bit processor is useless are being short sighted, though yes the immediate benefits aren't great. Apple should be commended for being the first in market.

Those saying Samsung, Qualcomm or other ARM users are only moving to 64-bit processors b/c of Apple's announcement are equally as foolish.  Their designs using ARMv8 have likely been in progress for at least a year and the design, tooling, testing, and manufacturing of a new processor is years in the making.  You cannot "decide" to launch a 64-bit processor in a year.

What is impressive is that Apple was able to be the first to market by a considerable margin. However, I'd expect that by next year, it'll be pretty commonplace.

Well, by next year, there will be 64 bit ARM chips on the market. There is no word on when Android will support 64 bit. It's almost certain that Kitkat will not be 64 bit, so it may well be 2015 before Android can offer that.


It is, however, funny to watch the fandroids pretending that Android is already 64 bit:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-tablet-2012/206270-android-64-bit-nexus-7-a.html
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Well, by next year, there will be 64 bit ARM chips on the market. There is no word on when Android will support 64 bit. It's almost certain that Kitkat will not be 64 bit, so it may well be 2015 before Android can offer that.

If that's the case, then the majority won't get it before 2016/2017. Wow.
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http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-tablet-2012/206270-android-64-bit-nexus-7-a.html

From reading that Android blog, it looks like it's mandatory to be stupid. Yes, Android. For the stupidities of us.
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post #185 of 366

I think i can now finally understand why the Android Camp hated us. 

 

Please, take AI's technical analysis with a big gain of salt. Most of the issues with this "Editorial" are already addressed by many others. If you are interested in those, Anandtech is a good place to start with.

 

And please ignore most of these post on Software issues with 64bit codebase etc. Most of them are plain wrong.

post #186 of 366
Interesting article, but I think you are somewhat off on Samsung's use of Qualcomm. That is almost certainly a modem driven choice. It's also not clear that while Samsung is still working for Apple that they have the raw capacity to make enough Exynos for their own phones, even absent the LTE issue.

Once Apple is out of Samsung foundries, we may see things change substantially.
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Years ago on this very site, I imagined a 'headless' Mac that used a wirelessly-connected tablet as its screen. (I was 'The Steve Jobs Mind-Meld' back then, I think)

 

There have been apps that allow a certain amount on desktop activity via iPhone, but a move like the one I just described has not happened;  the A7 forward may well change that, and since the only reason my Mac can't run 10.7 + is it's a 32-bit processor, we may se a complete shuffling of the Apple product lineup due to this.  Many new things may become possible.

 

Imagine with me the real digital hub:  headed or headless, powerful enough to serve files, media, print, etc AND powerful enough to provide each user with a convincing user experience, [i]even when everyone's using it[/i];  A7-heritage allows iPad 5 (6?) to provide touch-screen access to an account on the Mac, with all that implies.  Monitor sales shrink, iMacs are repositioned, Mac Pro re-design gets utilized top to bottom.  Thunderbolt becomes commodity.  Mac sales soar.  iPad sales soar.  The end.

 

The pieces are coming together much more convincingly than I'd imagined.

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post #188 of 366

The chip company that AI should focus on is not Samsung, it is Intel. Sure Samsung's processor may have its flaws but it is is still a lot faster than the previous year's CPUs. Now look at Intel's CPUs for 2013 vs 2012. They are barely faster. They made the graphics a lot better and greatly improved the energy use but the performance at the high end has only improved by a few percentage points. Meanwhile mobile processors are advancing at about 2x performance per year. In fact as Apple said the A7 is now reaching desktop CPU capabilities. It won't be long before the mobile processors start to catch up with Intel's desktop CPUs.

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Years ago on this very site, I imagined a 'headless' Mac that used a wirelessly-connected tablet as its screen. (I was 'The Steve Jobs Mind-Meld' back then, I think)

There have been apps that allow a certain amount on desktop activity via iPhone, but a move like the one I just described has not happened;  the A7 forward may well change that, and since the only reason my Mac can't run 10.7 + is it's a 32-bit processor, we may se a complete shuffling of the Apple product lineup due to this.  Many new things may become possible.

Imagine with me the real digital hub:  headed or headless, powerful enough to serve files, media, print, etc AND powerful enough to provide each user with a convincing user experience, even when everyone's using it;  A7-heritage allows iPad 5 (6?) to provide touch-screen access to an account on the Mac, with all that implies.  Monitor sales shrink, iMacs are repositioned, Mac Pro re-design gets utilized top to bottom.  Thunderbolt becomes commodity.  Mac sales soar.  iPad sales soar.  The end.

The pieces are coming together much more convincingly than I'd imagined.

What could be interesting is the next AppleTV or derivatives of the form factor.

Add an HDMI in, 64-bit A7X, thunderbolt, say, 4-16 GB RAM, 256GB SSD -- and you have your headless hub serving up to 4K video and able to concurrently serve different live or recorder video, concurrently, to the big screen and multiple iPads used as personal TVs.
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One thing that amazes me: When it comes to technology and Apple...a site like AI and many of its readers can see right through the media bull****.

 

But the same people usually and typically cannot see through the media bull**** in almost every single other facet of media reporting.

 

Unrelated, I know. I just find ironic and disappointing how people think the media tells them the truth about anything, when your own expertise is enough to know they are flat out lying or kowtowing to gov/corp about technology.

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It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.

 

what's amazing is no one in the tech media is calling SS out for this obvious "me-too" vaporware BS - so totally lame. so totally deserving of ridicule.

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Well no one knows the extent apple is already relying on the 64 bit chip.  The fingerprint sensor and the camera features probably rely heavily on it.  Yes obviously there will be a ton of applications for a 64bit smart phone - just wait to see what the devs cook up.  And as this article points out - there is the usual anti-appletards spouting pablem about how wrong or unimportant apple's breakthroughs are - only to eat their words later as they use apple championed/developed technology in their future device.

 

yes. but in this case i think this is one time Apple itself should clarify the topic and describe what the 64 bit capability is doing right away on the 5s. understatement is good as a general rule, but sometimes it is just too little, and this is one of them. 

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It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.

 

what's amazing is no one in the tech media is calling SS out for this obvious "me-too" vaporware BS - so totally lame. so totally deserving of ridicule.

This article gets a nice shout-out in Fortune: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/09/15/apple-a7-samsung-tsmc/

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Well, by next year, there will be 64 bit ARM chips on the market. There is no word on when Android will support 64 bit. It's almost certain that Kitkat will not be 64 bit, so it may well be 2015 before Android can offer that.

 

Where did you get that information from?

I really think you're way off here.

 

Google is testing Linux Kernel 3.7+ since january and already published release candidates with armv8 support:

https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/experimental/android-3.10-rc5/arch/arm64/

 

If you wanted to release a 64bit android device, all you need is 64bit drivers for those components and you're good to go (which means compile android with armv8 as target architecture + make sure that you have libs for jni to ensure native code can be run in a 32bit compatibility environment).

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It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.

 

Shhh... don't spoil the moment for them. I can picture it now: they look so happy!

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From reading that Android blog, it looks like it's mandatory to be stupid. Yes, Android. For the stupidities of us.

 

This one: "My understanding was, and I could be wrong, is that with multi core units you can have 64 bit regardless of each processor since the system could open another one for the other 32 bits. Hence memory being in matched banks."

 

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It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.

 

:lol: As is Google Chrome. Not likely to change any time soon, since Google knows nothing about modern software.

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If you wanted to release a 64bit android device, all you need is...

And re-write all their own apps and the SDK for their devs.

edit: Blimey! They have 39 apps!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Google+Inc.

edit 2: Geez, talk about fugly!


edit 3: Talk about useless!
Androidify yourself by customizing the little green Android as yourself.


Talk about weird: free apps you can put on your wishlist. Damn, I wish I hadn't gone to that site.
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This one: "My understanding was, and I could be wrong, is that with multi core units you can have 64 bit regardless of each processor since the system could open another one for the other 32 bits. Hence memory being in matched banks."

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No way you made this up. This has GOT to be from an Android user. Just GOT to be!
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Please don't treat me different because I am new. I've been an Apple customer forever, but I want Apple to get better. We all share that same interest. I hope we can all make that happen. btw, it is nice to meet you Dick. 

 

"Please be my friend Dick. I hope we Apple fans can stick together and make Apple copy Samsung because they throw everything at wall to see what sticks. Let the consumer decide with their $$$. I would never buy Samsung but they are so innovative. I'm tired of bumping my iphone and I hope we can make Apple to get better soon. Please don't ban me."

 

I miss that guy already. :lol:

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