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Meanwhile , Samsung makes a fugly gigantic watch the size of a brick while Apple has 64 bit os and processor, m7 processor ! Samsung is sad...
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Well some people think the "S" stands for "Suck on this Samsung."  Sometimes these models numbers don't mean a thing other than to differentiate them.  Personally, I think it's kind of silly, but it's just their marketing and that's all it really is.  Just buy the one you can afford and enjoy it.

 I think it obvious that Apple is suggesting to buyers that they are the Mercedes Benz of smartphones.

 

For a decade the Mercedes S Class is the top of the line model while the more affordable C Class infused with older technology yet still commands a premium value.

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S is for somebody needs to write an article with something that we didn't already know.
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Flexibility to be modular. Not all A7 devices will need the M7.
For example, an A7 based TV/Game Console would not need it.

 

What the hell are you talking about? The TV and Game Console will most certainly take advantage of it by the freaking games utilizing the DSP without tapping more clock cycles on the CPU or the GPGPU.

 

Interfacing with the Game Controller and gathering all the 3D data for local positioning is but one example of how the AppleTV/Game Console will utilize it.  Using the Apple TV as a Presentation Center with an iPad, iPhone, iPod Touch or Remote for augmented reality based games and presentations will use it, never mind CAD Simulations and much more.

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Flexibility to be modular. Not all A7 devices will need the M7.

For example, an A7 based TV/Game Console would not need it.

What the hell are you talking about? The TV and Game Console will most certainly take advantage of it by the freaking games utilizing the DSP without tapping more clock cycles on the CPU or the GPGPU.

Interfacing with the Game Controller and gathering all the 3D data for local positioning is but one example of how the AppleTV/Game Console will utilize it.  Using the Apple TV as a Presentation Center with an iPad, iPhone, iPod Touch or Remote for augmented reality based games and presentations will use it, never mind CAD Simulations and much more.

How is the M7 going to benefit the AppleTV is the box is beneath your TV set and not moving?
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How is the M7 going to benefit the AppleTV is the box is beneath your TV set and not moving?

 

I think the benefit lies in the controller (iPhone/iPad/iPod/whatever) interacting with the AppleTV.

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post #47 of 128
There's so much attention given to flash. For my money, s stands for substance. Every iPhone has solid upgrades, but easier to value them without a new design. Come to think of it; Apple stands for substance, Samsung flash.

I am so relieved to see that Apple hasn't changed. Tim is doing an exceptional job. If anything, it's even a better company with its stronger emphasis on social responsibility and the environment.

Also, kudos to Apple for ending the megapixel race. More than 8 Mp for a phone is just... flash.
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"That data is also discarded if a device is rebooted or has been left unused for more than 48 hours..."

To be honest the above could only happen if it was an Android device. I mean what iPhone user would leave their iPhone untouched for 48 hours.
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Touch ID is a bigger deal than people realise and that will become more obvious in late 2014 when it begins to show up on all new iDevices.

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Hard to copy and protected by patents.

A7 + M7 + 64bit iOS + Touch ID + UI = Apple is 5+ years ahead of the competition and moving further ahead fast...

I don't think the competition will ever reach this level let alone catchup.

 

5 years is pushing it. 'Apple is different than the competition with different motivations' might be a far better, and far more truthful argument. And a far more valuable position for Apple.

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I've got another sensor to add to the list. Apple needs to add a simple sensor to the left and right sides of the phone.

 

Why? This would indicate which hand is using the iPhone and that would dynamically tell iOS to shift important and mostly used buttons, icons and controls to that side of the phone.

 

Why is this important? Then Apple could introduce larger screen iPhones (think 4.7" or possibly larger) that still allow users to continue using iOS all with their dominant thumb.

 

When (not if) there is a larger iPhone display that would be a good idea. But it's not needed now.

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I am just looking forward to a 64bit A7 iPad with Touch ID, but a new 64bit A7 desktop class portable with Touch ID would be sweet.

 

Don't be surprised at all if the 5S is the only product that gets Touch ID this year. And then when it's in the market one year and it has proved itself it will move across the line of iDevice products.

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I have a feeling that Apple will never release a larger iPhone because the current size is perfect for a phone.

 

There's no such thing as perfect. I like a 4" phone, but I absolutely see Apple adding a +4" model to the mix in the next 2 years. Most likely in Sep '14.

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But an iPhone acting as controller might 1smile.gif

 

An iPhone would make an awful Apple TV game controller, just as is makes an awful remote compared to a dedicated one. There's no substitute for a dedicated game controller with physical buttons. None at all.

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Meanwhile , Samsung makes a fugly gigantic watch the size of a brick while Apple has 64 bit os and processor, m7 processor ! Samsung is sad...

 

Please stop talking about Samsung. Your first post too. God.

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There's so much attention given to flash. For my money, s stands for substance. Every iPhone has solid upgrades, but easier to value them without a new design. Come to think of it; Apple stands for substance, Samsung flash.

 

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An iPhone would make an awful Apple TV game controller, just as is makes an awful remote compared to a dedicated one. There's no substitute for a dedicated game controller with physical buttons. None at all.

I'm not a gamer but I would agree to your statement. Having said that there are still a number of opportunities I can envision. For example, for the casual gamer it just might be sufficient to use an existing iDevice for controlling a certain subset of games. If they ever make something like that iWatch it might be used for sports games. And maybe Apple comes up with a dedicated controller in the future. In any of those possibilities this M7 might just be the way to go.
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An iPhone would make an awful Apple TV game controller, just as is makes an awful remote compared to a dedicated one. There's no substitute for a dedicated game controller with physical buttons. None at all.

Well, something's cooking

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I'm not a gamer but I would agree to your statement. Having said that there are still a number of opportunities I can envision. For example, for the casual gamer it just might be sufficient to use an existing iDevice for controlling a certain subset of games. If they ever make something like that iWatch it might be used for sports games. And maybe Apple comes up with a dedicated controller in the future. In any of those possibilities this M7 might just be the way to go.

The M7 would help make a decent game controller, but at this point the M7 exists in zero Apple products on store shelves, and is only marketing until its proven worthy of legit praise. And if it proves a decent and useful chip there is still no sobstitute for a physical joypad and physical game buttons. And iWatch doesn't exist yet, let alone do we know what it would look like or what its fuction set would be. But I'd nearly bet money controlling games won't be on its feature list. It'll probably measure heart rate, sleep cycle, pedometry, etc. The jury is still out as to the chances of Apple making iWatch the next must-have iPod-esque-style-fever product. I have serious doubts, but remain open to possibilities. Perhaps the real secret to iWatch being a success is music playback. If iWatch could replace the iPod via some kind of very mimimal wireless headphones that were super easy to charge with a decent battery life they things could look very different.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa… what? Where's that written in an official Apple source?

ALL security measures are useless in the face of a DFU; Apple should work on that instead of arbitrarily deleting fingerprint information.


No.

Here is the source on the WSJ blog, doesn't say deletion:
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/09/11/apple-new-iphone-not-storing-fingerprints-doesnt-like-sweat/
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An Apple spokesman pointed to other security features the company has added to the phone. Apple customers who wish the use Touch ID also have to create a passcode as a backup. Only that passcode (not a finger) can unlock the phone if the phone is rebooted or hasn’t been unlocked for 48 hours. This feature is meant to block hackers from stalling for time as they try to find a way to circumvent the fingerprint scanner.


That makes a lot more sense. If I have to redo my fingerprints every time I fly (and follow the rules), I will stop using it the first week I own the phone.
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"That data is also discarded if a device is rebooted or has been left unused for more than 48 hours..."

To be honest the above could only happen if it was an Android device. I mean what iPhone user would leave their iPhone untouched for 48 hours.

Happens to me frequently when I travel abroad, and am using another SIM card. Granted, I could make sure to just turn it on to listen to the radio or some such thing when I am in a wifi area, but two days seems too short. I wonder if the length before it wipes will be user-choosable.
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Well, something's cooking


That exact controller is less interesting than the one without an iPhone involved. Something's cooking alright, but I sure hope if it's a game App Store for an TV-related Apple product that Apple don't just leave other third party companies handle the most important component when it comes to games on said device.
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That makes a lot more sense. If I have to redo my fingerprints every time I fly (and follow the rules), I will stop using it the first week I own the phone.

After 48 hours the fingerprint fuction stops working until you enter the pass code. It's simple. And you don't use your phone for 48 hours when flying? Where do you fly to, the moon?
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My understanding is that the in-memory version of the fingerprint is discarded, but once you authenticate with your passcode, it can decrypt the fingerprint data, you won't have to re-program.

(Fingerprints are most likely not sitting in memory, just somehow accessible in that specific segment of the A7)
No. There is no need to discard the fingerprint data. The original scan is coveted to a hash value via a one way algorithm. This hash therefore cannot be used to recreate the fingerprint. Subsequent fingerprint scan are aliso converted and compared to the original hash for authentication. No graphical data is stored, period. The hash value by itself is useless
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I wonder if the length before it wipes will be user-choosable.

Knowing Apple, no.
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I have a feeling that Apple will never release a larger iPhone because the current size is perfect for a phone. The whole phablet business merely  wastes resources on unnecessary line up complications. Which is you recall is the first thing that SJ did when upon resuming the reins of Apple, namely he cut out all the unnecessary crap in between and bits and pieces products. Which is why Samsung cannot compete and Apple will accelerate into the distance. 

 

A few years ago 3.5 inches was the "perfect" size for a smartphone, and many Apple watchers were poo-pooing the idea of a larger device. So the ideal size for a smartphone can change.

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An iPhone would make an awful Apple TV game controller, just as is makes an awful remote compared to a dedicated one. There's no substitute for a dedicated game controller with physical buttons. None at all.

 

But neither of those statements are right, as evidenced by the last five years.

 

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A few years ago 3.5 inches was the "perfect" size for a smartphone, and many Apple watchers were poo-pooing the idea of a larger device. So the ideal size for a smartphone can change.

 

Do you remember what morons wanted back then? They said the iPhone was "too big" and that Apple "needs" to release a 2.5" iPhone with no apps and no Wi-Fi for them to get anyone to buy the device.

 

That's why I know for a fact the idiots who want a 5/6" iPhone are wrong.

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A few years ago 3.5 inches was the "perfect" size for a smartphone, and many Apple watchers were poo-pooing the idea of a larger device. So the ideal size for a smartphone can change.

Not for the better; I liked the 3.5" more. This 4" is cool for what it is, but the phone got taller and is now sometimes difficult to get out of my jeans pocker. 'No biggie, but don't let it become bigger.'
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I have a feeling that Apple will never release a larger iPhone because the current size is perfect for a phone. The whole phablet business merely  wastes resources on unnecessary line up complications. Which is you recall is the first thing that SJ did when upon resuming the reins of Apple, namely he cut out all the unnecessary crap in between and bits and pieces products. Which is why Samsung cannot compete and Apple will accelerate into the distance. 

You are aware of the iPhone 5C release, right? That is an unnecessary model released to capture a specific market. Larger screen iPhone is no different so long as it works.
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There's so much attention given to flash. For my money, s stands for substance. Every iPhone has solid upgrades, but easier to value them without a new design. Come to think of it; Apple stands for substance, Samsung flash.

I am so relieved to see that Apple hasn't changed. Tim is doing an exceptional job. If anything, it's even a better company with its stronger emphasis on social responsibility and the environment.

Also, kudos to Apple for ending the megapixel race. More than 8 Mp for a phone is just... flash.

 

 

Megapixels have their place. But let's be real here. Some quality DSLRs are less than 24 mp. Like the Nikon D7000, for instance. And that isn't exactly what you'd call an entry-level DSLR. There's so much more to a quality image. Including what you do in post process. 

 

"iPhone-only" is nothing to sneeze at, if you know what you're doing. Give a talented photographer an iPhone 5, and he'll be selling prints from it, no fooling. Small sensors can do big things in the right hands. Give a casual shooter an expensive DSLR, and chances are they'll half-ass it. 

 

As for what's possible with an iPhone, consider Kevin Russ:

 

amera Equipment: iPhone.

 

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/professional-iphone-photographer-kevin-russ-documents-the-world-an-instagram-at-a-time

 

Right now Kevin Russ is sleeping in his car somewhere in central New Mexico, but by dawn tomorrow he’ll have hiked to the top of a nearby mountain where he’ll take a photo with his iPhone 5. Assuming he’s able to find a signal somewhere, he’ll upload a version of that photo—also processed within his iPhone—to his almost 45,000 Instagram and Tumblr followers. By tomorrow evening there’s a good chance he’ll have sold a print of that same mountaintop photo.

 

After his visit to the Portland coast, Russ began taking longer and longer trips. He was still using a DSLR until one day last March when every shot he took didn’t look right. Frustrated, he pulled out his iPhone and snapped a photo through Instagram. It sold the next day. He now uses his iPhone almost exclusively because of its convenience and ability to process photos.

 

Russ also thinks that people appreciate how he uses the same equipment that they have in their pocket. “I think people can connect to the photos a lot more because people have an iPhone or a smartphone with a camera,” he says. “If they were shot with a professional camera then I don’t think they would’ve caught the same attention.”

 

Pro photographer Benjamin Lowy is one of the biggest advocates of cell phone photography and his Instagram photo of crashing waves stirred by Hurricane Sandy made the cover of Time last year. But Russ is possibly the only photographer who completely relies on his cell phone photography to earn a living.

 

That means he can only keep traveling as long as people keep buying his photos. But when you see his pictures, it doesn’t seem like that should be a problem at all. They are almost uniformly magical. "Photogenic landscapes” is what Russ calls them, but there is also a surreal, otherworldly tranquility to the valleys and hills and even the coyotes and bison that star in his photos. 

 

Result:

 

http://kevinruss.vsco.co

 

His print gallery:

 

http://society6.com/artist/KevinRuss

 
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"Your finger print data will be deleted after 48 hours or turned off", what is the point of the finger print sensor then,"to save time unlocking" then why would this be a new feature worked so hard on? The goal is when it says to enter your pas ode after 48 hours or turned off, this added security is mostly useless.

The 48 hours is a lot longer than most users would ever let their phone sit unaccessed so that's aimed at thieves, the same with "turned off" which means powered off and restarted ( "rebooted") NOT the sleep mode when the screen simply goes dark but the phone is still operating.

So in regular usage all that would ever be needed on a day to day basis would be touching the sensor. Making the TouchID an everyday convenience.
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Happens to me frequently when I travel abroad, and am using another SIM card. Granted, I could make sure to just turn it on to listen to the radio or some such thing when I am in a wifi area, but two days seems too short. I wonder if the length before it wipes will be user-choosable.

I suspect swapping out the SIM card would wipe the fingerprint data in any case. That involves a reboot I'm sure.
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Personally I don't understand all the bull excitement going on about security and the Touch ID feature. Don't people get it? There is NO security when you get right down to it. If someone wants into your phone they can do it. The question is why would they want to get into YOUR phone. The passcode and fingerprint scanner keeps the casual thief at bay. For the most part the casual thief wants to fence your phone for some quick cash. They don't care about your photos. And just like when you get your wallet or purse stolen, the first thing you do is cancel your credit cards, change all your passwords, etc.

 

The fudsters are hard at it lambasting Apple for the Touch ID and the "useless" 64 bit processor.

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Right, because THAT is the conclusion to be drawn about iphone games over the last five years...the controller interface is superior. Thanks Tal'

 

 

 

 

Tallest Skil wrote:

An iPhone would make an awful Apple TV game controller, just as is makes an awful remote compared to a dedicated one. There's no substitute for a dedicated game controller with physical buttons. None at all.

 

But neither of those statements are right, as evidenced by the last five years.

 

 

 

 

 

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But an iPhone acting as controller might 1smile.gif
That would be the only good use of a M7 in a IPad. A IPad is questionable to have a M7
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When iPads are installed as a main feature of automobile dashboards the security feature may also be integrated ....
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That would be the only good use of a M7 in a IPad. A IPad is questionable to have a M7

 

Even that would seem a pretty poor use?  The M7 just collects data from other sensors, which is useful when the main processor is in a dormant state so that you save power.  If the main processor is on and doing stuff, as it would presumably need to be for an iPhone or iPad to act as a controller with the screen on, then all of the motion data can be dealt with directly by the A7.  Maybe the M7 could bring some small efficiencies, but it's hardly a big deal or anything to get excited about.

 

I don't think there's any significant chance of an iPhone or iPad being the controller of choice for an iConsole anyway.  The bluetooth spec for controllers is a very definite sign that Apple doesn't think the touch screen is adequate for all gaming either.

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Happens to me frequently when I travel abroad, and am using another SIM card. Granted, I could make sure to just turn it on to listen to the radio or some such thing when I am in a wifi area, but two days seems too short. I wonder if the length before it wipes will be user-choosable.

I suspect swapping out the SIM card would wipe the fingerprint data in any case. That involves a reboot I'm sure.

I didn't mean swapping a SIM card: I have an unlocked 4S for which I simply get a new SIM card in the country to which I am traveling. As a result, I could go for a few days without using my home-based iPhone.

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I suspect swapping out the SIM card would wipe the fingerprint data in any case. That involves a reboot I'm sure.

 

Why?  Replacing the SIM doesn't reset the password, nor erase the personal data on the phone.  Replacing the SIM doesn't break or change any part of the phone's security, nor should it.

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Tim Cook is moving Appple in a world wide & technological era for the future all this under the hood of a smartphone there has to be a bigger iPhone in the works for next year.

 

...and NFC, a 17" MacBook Pro and a Mac Pro full of expansion slots. Because it has always been Tim Cook's mission to do whatever the vocal minority wants. /s

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