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Knowing Apple, no.

Can you explain?

 

My guess would be the opposite. I'd wager that they'll make it entirely optional, as they do with the passcode. If they end up making the very feature optional, why won't they allow a user-choosable length for the fingerprint data to be wiped?

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But neither of those statements are right, as evidenced by the last five years.

It's OK that you don't understand everything. And you're certainly wrong about the iPhone make a decent game controller. You best assume at this point I'm a total idiot so you won't have to reply to me so we can both not bring this argument forth because I hate wasting energy.
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That's why I know for a fact the idiots who want a 5/6" iPhone are wrong.

What kind of a point are you trying to make? Who wants a 6" iPhone? No one. A 4.6" iPhone is a different matter. And a 5" iPhone at the largest size. You think the iPhone will stay at 4" only for the next 3 years? We'll see. Would you like to make a wager on that? Next year when the iPhone 6 is out the 4S will be gone. The 6 will push things further in the design department; it should be an exciting release. Don't be surprised if this iPhone 6 is additionally released in 2 screen sizes. A 4" and 4.(something). Both sizes serve a purpose, and a slightly larger IPHONE!!! will have a handsome sized market out there. History will be the judge of these things, so we'll see.
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Not for the better; I liked the 3.5" more. This 4" is cool for what it is, but the phone got taller and is now sometimes difficult to get out of my jeans pocker. 'No biggie, but don't let it become bigger.'

If it gets a larger screen it will be in addition to the current size. In addition.
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I have a feeling that Apple will never release a larger iPhone because the current size is perfect for a phone. The whole phablet business merely  wastes resources on unnecessary line up complications. Which is you recall is the first thing that SJ did when upon resuming the reins of Apple, namely he cut out all the unnecessary crap in between and bits and pieces products. Which is why Samsung cannot compete and Apple will accelerate into the distance. 

 

Here's an easy way to "make a larger iPhone display" right now. Takes only a second, try it:

1. Take any iPhone

2. Hold it closer to your face

 

That's what it looks like to have a bigger iPhone. If Apple doesn't add more pixels, but simply makes the pixels bigger so the display surface is stretched out, that's what it will look like. Same thing, bigger pixels.

 

To me, that's not compelling. It's not innovation. It's not even a meaningful UX improvement unless I had poor uncorrected eyesight. And it comes with tradeoffs: portability is reduced. Single handed use will be harder for some. Weight and/or battery life is impacted. For what? Stretching the screen?

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Originally Posted by Sol77 View Post
Right, because THAT is the conclusion to be drawn about iphone games over the last five years...the controller interface is superior.

 

Thanks for pretending that's what I said or even implied. Try again, please.

 

Originally Posted by Ireland View Post
And you're certainly wrong about the iPhone make a decent game controller.

 

Guess so, given the sales, reviews, and scope of gaming on iOS over the past few years, huh. It's obviously "terrible". Or maybe… you're wrong.

 

Originally Posted by Ireland View Post
What kind of a point are you trying to make? Who wants a 6" iPhone? No one.

 

But a 6" Android phone, hoo boy!

 
History will be the judge of these things, so we'll see. 

 

History shows that Apple doesn't give people what they think they want.

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post #87 of 128
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Here's an easy way to "make a larger iPhone display" right now. Takes only a second, try it:
1. Take any iPhone
2. Hold it closer to your face

That's what it looks like to have a bigger iPhone. If Apple doesn't add more pixels, but simply makes the pixels bigger so the display surface is stretched out, that's what it will look like. Same thing, bigger pixels.

To me, that's not compelling. It's not innovation. It's not even a meaningful UX improvement unless I had poor uncorrected eyesight.

Everything doesn't have to be about innovation. Innovation, innovation, innovation; the most overused word of this decade so far. I've a new word for you: choice! Colours aren't innovative, but they are additional choices, additional options for the iPhone user, and potential iPhone users. A larger screened iPhone would be about exactly that. And yes, everyone with bad eyesight could get one. Close your eyes and open your mind. Read: iPad.
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Personally I don't understand all the bull excitement going on about security and the Touch ID feature. Don't people get it? There is NO security when you get right down to it. If someone wants into your phone they can do it. The question is why would they want to get into YOUR phone. The passcode and fingerprint scanner keeps the casual thief at bay. For the most part the casual thief wants to fence your phone for some quick cash. They don't care about your photos. And just like when you get your wallet or purse stolen, the first thing you do is cancel your credit cards, change all your passwords, etc.

 

The fudsters are hard at it lambasting Apple for the Touch ID and the "useless" 64 bit processor.

 
Has anyone actually posted an article or white paper on how to defeat Touch ID? Or is it just FUD predictions coming from the tech media?

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post #89 of 128

hahaha thanks for making my day Applesauce. based on your past few posts it seems like you have a little applesauce in your pants...

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Everything doesn't have to be about innovation. Innovation, innovation, innovation; the most overused word of this decade so far. I've a new word for you: choice! Colours aren't innovative, but they are additional choices, additional options for the iPhone user, and potential iPhone users. A larger screened iPhone would be about exactly that. And yes, everyone with bad eyesight could get one. Close your eyes and open your mind. Read: iPad.

 

Yes, I believe the correct definition of innovation is:

 

in•no•va•tion

noun. Whatever Apple, Inc. is not doing at the moment, especially if their competitors are doing it. Used in polemics against Apple, Inc.

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post #91 of 128
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Thanks for pretending that's what I said or even implied. Try again, please.

 

If that wasn't your implication, then I'm finding it pretty hard to distinguish any relevant point in what you said.

 

Original point: An iPhone would make an awful Apple TV game controller, just as is makes an awful remote compared to a dedicated one. There's no substitute for a dedicated game controller with physical buttons. None at all.

 

What you said: But neither of those statements are right, as evidenced by the last five years.

 

 

So you are saying that the past five years are evidence that:

1. Remote.app on an iPhone or iPad isn't an awful remote compared to a dedicated one.

2. That there is a substitute for a dedicated game controller with physical buttons, and it's a touchscreen like on the iPad or iPhone

 

i can't see any other way your post could be construed, it directly runs on.

 

 

Aside from the fact that a number of people here seem to think that those points are hogwash, please explain how there isn't a direct implication in those statements that you think the touchscreen interface is superior, or (if you're being bloody-minded) at least adequate?

 

 

So that is what you were saying, and is what you were implying, and no trying again is required?

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Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

If that wasn't your implication, then I'm finding it pretty hard to distinguish any relevant point in what you said.

 

Not if the world isn't black and white. Which is the case, by the way.

 

"'iPhone is terrible' is wrong" ≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠ "iPhone is the best possible solution".

 

A bit of critical thinking, please.

 

Remote is pretty darn great, by the way. Faster than the Apple Remote, at least.

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post #93 of 128
I disagree. And if you replied with less of the attitude then maybe your meaning would be clearer.

In any case remote.app being "great" bears little relation to whether a mobile iOS devices would make a good game controller, where hand eye coordination at speed is important. No evidence from the past five years offers anything there, unless you count AirPlaying a game to an AppleTV, which is not a pleasant experience.

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ALL security measures are useless in the face of a DFU; Apple should work on that instead of arbitrarily deleting fingerprint information.

 

Actually, placing an iPhone in DFU mode and then restoring it in iTunes does in face restore the device, but if Find My iPhone was turned on at the time the phone was placed in DFU mode, the setup process will require the password for that iCloud account before the phone can be completely set up and usable.

 

I tested this out the other day thinking that DFU mode would make all of this useless and I was pleasantly surprised. 

 

I should try restoring it once again after the first DFU/restore and see if it still remembers the device needs the iCloud password.

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Originally Posted by Crowley View Post
I disagree.

 

That's fine, then.

 
In any case remote.app being "great" bears little relation to whether a mobile iOS devices would make a good game controller…

 

That's fine, too, as it has nothing to do with that topic nor did I imply it did. You mentioned it, I responded. That's all.

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That's fine, too, as it has nothing to do with that topic nor did I imply it did. You mentioned it, I responded. That's all.

 

Are you nuts?  It has everything to do with the topic, since the original post that you disagreed with said:

 

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An iPhone would make an awful Apple TV game controller, just as is makes an awful remote compared to a dedicated one.

 

I know you have a convenient selective memory, but damn that's a hell of a selection.

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Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

It has everything to do with the topic


You probably shouldn't have said it that it didn't, then, huh.

 
Originally Posted by Crowley View Post
In any case remote.app being "great" bears little relation to whether a mobile iOS devices would make a good game controller…
 

I'm not playing this game. You can read, assumedly, and the posts are right there.

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"Little relation", because the use case of hand eye coordination for playing a game is different from navigating a list of media on a companion screen.  That doesn't mean they're unrelated, it doesn't mean that it wasn't a crucial element of the entire conversation, and it certainly doesn't mean that I brought it up and that you merely responded to me.  That last one is a flat out lie. 

 

I love how this is my game, when you're the one who routinely makes stuff up, and never ever address the falsehoods that you spit out.

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Originally Posted by Crowley View Post
"Little relation", because the use case of hand eye coordination for playing a game is different from navigating a list of media on a companion screen.

 

Which is true, of course, but reads completely differently. Here's where I mention attitude and clarity.

 
That doesn't mean they're unrelated, it doesn't mean that it wasn't a crucial element of the entire conversation…

 

Right, which is why I didn't try to tie it in with that. It was an afterthought to which I wanted to respond.

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Which is true, of course, but reads completely differently. Here's where I mention attitude and clarity.

 

"Reads completely differently."  Really?  Do you really, you want to go down that path?

 

My post which originally mentioned "little relation", just a half dozen posts up from this one:

 

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In any case remote.app being "great" bears little relation to whether a mobile iOS devices would make a good game controller, where hand eye coordination at speed is important. 
 

Are you seriously suggesting there's a clarity issue between the "little relation" and the use case of hand-eye coordination?

 

 If you'd just every once in a while admit that you typed too hastily and made a mistake that'd be fine.  But no.  You're an impossible moron. 

 

I'm done with you for tonight.

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Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

I'm done with you for tonight.

 

And I'm done with you pretending you're a child who cannot follow conversational context. Siri is better than you at this.

 

Ireland: iOS devices are terrible as controllers.

Me: This is untrue.

Sol 77, sarcasm: So they're superior to physical.

Me: I did not say that.

 

Now here's where you come in. Notice that when I said "I did not say that", it just so happens that I did not say that. I said that it was untrue that they are terrible, not that they are superior to physical controllers. Nothing from Ireland's post nor my post would lead you to that conclusion, simply the conclusion that I was disagreeing with Ireland's position. Don't try to pretend otherwise again, please.

 

To re-reply to the first point you made, no, Remote is not a terrible remote, and not only that, I've found it to be quicker than a physical Apple Remote. And to the second, yes, you're spot on that an iDevice is a valid replacement for a controller with physical buttons, as evidenced by their enormous success in the gaming industry over the past half decade or so.

 

From there it's just you pretending more things were said that weren't, so we don't need to go over that.

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post #102 of 128
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Guess so, given the sales, reviews, and scope of gaming on iOS over the past few years, huh. It's obviously "terrible". Or maybe… you're wrong.

God, you don't know what a game controller is.
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post #103 of 128
lol

Just, lol
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post
God, you don't know what a game controller is.

 

Of course not¡

 

Sans shoulder buttons, a touchscreen can do anything a physical controller can do. Before you pretend I said something I didn’t, note that I didn’t say ‘does’, just ‘can’.

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Of course not¡

 

Sans shoulder buttons, a touchscreen can do anything a physical controller can do. Before you pretend I said something I didn’t, note that I didn’t say ‘does’, just ‘can’.

Just quit it, TS. You're not advancing the discussion. Sometimes you just don't seem to realize -- or if you do, you just don't seem to care -- that your incessant back and forth just detracts from people enjoying this site.

 

Move along.....

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"S" is for sensors? And for iphone 4S, "S" for what? And 3GS? Good sensors? It doesn't make "S"ense. 

Anyway, iPhone is a decent phone, simple, practical and with good build quality, now that they have A7 processors, the competition will fire up. I am surprised that a little larger screen with Full HD resolution was difficult to achieve for Apple. I think they were so busy with the new A7 processors, the finger print and so on... I hope to see a larger Full HD screen, more RAM and a different iOS that won't persuade some of its users turn to the dark side by jailbreaking it. Some of these innovations will be made with the iphone 6 but until then, who knows, Full HD+ resolutions, more RAMS and other innovations from other brands will be on their way. Apple still needs more innovations. 

I would not be too relieved with the brand new A7 or the finger print sensor, there are yet many things to be done. But still, good move not to let Samsung manufacture their processors anymore. Late, but good decision. Now they should make sure that Taiwanese won't tell the secrets. 

I know this site is visited mostly by apple fans and admirers, any criticism will make one a troll :) But still I should say: Even if exynos 5 octa is 32 bit and below the new A7 , it still is a very good processor unlike many exaggerated offense to it in some articles here. I accept the fact that exynos has cons but it still is very good. Of course A7 is much better. 

Don't get me wrong, I am not a troll, I have an iPod touch which I like very much. iPhone just needs other changes not only in processors but radical innovations in general in order to persuade users like me to buy it. I hope the 6th or the 7th gen will be the one to buy.

You have read my first post, thanks.

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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post
Just quit it, TS.

 

Fine, so prove me wrong. Otherwise you’re just claiming no one’s view but your own matters.

 
Originally Posted by 03N13 View Post
"S" is for sensors? And for iphone 4S, "S" for what? And 3GS? Good sensors? It doesn't make "S"ense. 

 

So letters can’t change their meaning?

 
I am surprised that a little larger screen with Full HD resolution was difficult to achieve for Apple.

 

Because it wasn’t. They just couldn’t care less about that.

 
I hope to see a larger Full HD screen, more RAM and a different iOS that won't persuade some of its users turn to the dark side by jailbreaking it.

 

Nice false concern.

 
…RAMS and other innovations from other brands will be on their way. Apple still needs more innovations. 

 

Come off it.

 
…I have…

 

*sigh*

 
iPhone just needs… …innovations

 

Again, come off it.

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And you don't use your phone for 48 hours when flying? Where do you fly to, the moon?
I don't usually use mine when I fly internationally.
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Still missing a hygrometer and barometer/altimeter, we need the iPhone to become a tricorder
Also, a calibrated microphone would be useful, so you could measure noise levels, alert users that it's time to put in in ear plugs.
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On the other hand, nobody seems to have caught on to the Tim Cook phrase that the A7 is "desktop class". Could be an innocent silly metaphor, or a slight show of hands: with Apple putting that much money into CPU development, and with the Mac business slowly becoming subordinate, it makes ever less sense for Apple to maintain multiple compilers, development tools, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if a some not all too distant point in the future we'll see a multiple-personality OS that merges iOS and OS X and just adapts the UI based on what configuration the device is in at the moment. Universal apps that have both a touch and a "desktop" UI and switch between them just like apps switch between portrait and landscape orientation.

How about a 12-core ARM 64-bit CPU in an iMac, or an 8-core ARM chip in a MacBook Air...
...no longer paying the intel tax, that could mean considerably more competitive Apple computers and increased profit margins in the computer side of their business.
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"That data is also discarded if a device is rebooted or has been left unused for more than 48 hours, at which point users will have to simply reenter their passcode."

 

I don't remember reading anywhere that the "data is also discarded". This paragraph make it sound like the finger print data will be deleted and you have to reprogram your finger prints to get the feature back. What Apple said was only the passcode will unlock the device if the device rebooted or haven't been unlocked for 48 hours. They did not say the finger print data will be deleted.

 

They didn't. In certain (uncommon) circumstances they will need to enter the password. This is to prevent a hacker powering off the device, installing a hardware hack to mimic the owner's fingerprint data, which may or may not be easier to guess than a password. Think of Touch ID as a short-cut rather than a password replacement. It's a hassle-free security upgrade for most users. It encourages all users to set a password. It also makes an alphanumeric password more of a viable option, since the user won't have to enter it every time. Most users interact with their device at least every few hours and rarely power it off, so it's unlikely to affect people unless they take a plane flight or go camping for the weekend.

 

In any case there is no need for the data to ever be wiped. The "fingerprint data" is not really your fingerprint but a hashed version of the coordinates of prominent loops, arches and whorls, and other smaller ridges patterns. Even if someone accesses and decrypts the data there is not enough information to reconstruct all the features of the original fingerprint.

 

Apple are (rightly) being overly conservative around their introduction of this technology because it only takes one cheap shot from a prominent news journalist and their reputation is tarnished. Samsung et al are frothing at the mouth to pick this apart. Any edge they can find they will pick at. RelentlesslyIn reality any company would trade places with Apple in an instant.

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Still missing a hygrometer and barometer/altimeter, we need the iPhone to become a tricorder.

Insightful.
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Why?  Replacing the SIM doesn't reset the password, nor erase the personal data on the phone.  Replacing the SIM doesn't break or change any part of the phone's security, nor should it.
I expect the phone is powered off to remove the SIM card. That "reboot" when the power is turned back on triggers the wipe per the description of how the security of the fingerprint data is handled. From this and Apples description: "That data is also discarded if a device is rebooted or has been left unused for more than 48 hours, at which point users will have to simply reenter their passcode."
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Originally Posted by jfc1138 View Post
I expect the phone is powered off to remove the SIM card.

 

Really? You’ve never hot-swapped a SIM?

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Really? You’ve never hot-swapped a SIM?
Never in that much of a hurry.
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I suspect swapping out the SIM card would wipe the fingerprint data in any case. That involves a reboot I'm sure.

Ever tried to hotswap the SIM card and then reset the networking settings?
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They didn't. In certain (uncommon) circumstances they will need to enter the password. This is to prevent a hacker powering off the device, installing a hardware hack to mimic the owner's fingerprint data, which may or may not be easier to guess than a password. 

How does requirement to enter password prevent anyone from powering off the device?

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How does requirement to enter password prevent anyone from powering off the device?

Supposedly we need to enter the password/code in order to power it down in iOS7. We'll see this Wednesday. Only other way is to wait for the battery to die.
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Supposedly we need to enter the password/code in order to power it down in iOS7.

Who told you that? I highly doubt that.
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Fine, so prove me wrong. Otherwise you’re just claiming no one’s view but your own

"Because it wasn’t. They just couldn’t care less about that."

"Nice false concern."

"Come off it."

*sigh*

"Again, come off it."

So, according to you Apple is a company which is not interested in making Full HD resolution screens and people who expects that technology have false concerns...

Wow, Apple and some people will really surprise you in near future. Remember my "false" concerns while watching a video on HTC One or a future full HD iPhone. And again, remember my other false concern about more RAMs when Safari will crash on an iPhone 5s in 2015.

I am not saying that Android doesn't crash, Android has its cons...I am just trying to say that iPhone 5s is like a trial, incomplete version of iPhone 6.
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Supposedly we need to enter the password/code in order to power it down in iOS7.

Who told you that? I highly doubt that.

I read it somewhere, or so I thought, but can't find it. My bad. Or I get surprised this Wednesday.
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