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Just to make sure I have it right....
Polycarbonate cases on iPhones are superficial.
Plastic cases on Android phones are cheap.

I meant the change from the 5's aluminum case to the 5C. But yes, Apple takes time to develop a high quality plastic case, Android vendors just slap some plastic together for its case.
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Plastic
Larger
Heavier
no 64GB option
Loses the HUGE selection of iPhone 5 cases (that will also fit the 5s)
and as stated by mstone, the 5s has a large number of significant improvements that make the $100 discount a poor value. If it was $150-200 cheaper, then it would be worth honestly considering.

The only thing of worse value is the 8GB 4S that still costs $450.

You mean case vendors stopped making cases and won't make them ever again for anything but the iPhone 5? I'll bet you there'd be more cases for the 5C than there are for the GS4 or GS5 within six months of each respective release.

Get a 5s for the 64 GB. The 5C isn't for that market.

Is it larger/heavier by a significant margin? You probably won't know the difference if you held the 5 and 5C blindfolded.
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$100 less than the iPhone 5, I concur. Cheaper than the iPhone 5 to manufacture? Almost certainly.

Making more than they would have done had they kept the iPhone 5 instead as with the previous refreshes? Once again almost certainly.

Rather than maintain their very high margins they've decided to increase them.

The iPhone 5S is a great deal, the 5C should be priced less, they are simply price gouging their customers.

Don't want to be "gouged" don't buy it. People who buy it willingly aren't being gouged.
post #42 of 106
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Originally Posted by MacDevil View Post

It really rubs me the wrong way when people describe the iPhone 5C as a "new" phone. IT'S NOT!!! It has the exact same internals as an iPhone 5 (with the exception of a slightly larger battery and slightly better front camera). All they did was put it into a plastic case instead of a metal case. The price is exactly the same as the 5 would have been had Apple continued to offer it. The only difference is now Apple will definitely be making more money per handset since the casing material (and likely the manufacturing process) is much cheaper. The consumer gets a phone that does exactly nothing better than the iPhone 5 did at the same price. As one of the earlier commenters said, C stands for "CHEAP." It's not cheap in the sense that it costs less, it's cheap in that Apple is giving you a worse phone for the same price you would have paid for the iPhone 5.
I guess you think the S4 is a new phone because they made it bigger. The design of the 5c required a completly different engineered case and substructure. Even the antenna system is new.
post #43 of 106
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$100 less than the iPhone 5, I concur. Cheaper than the iPhone 5 to manufacture? Almost certainly.

Making more than they would have done had they kept the iPhone 5 instead as with the previous refreshes? Once again almost certainly.

Rather than maintain their very high margins they've decided to increase them.

The iPhone 5S is a great deal, the 5C should be priced less, they are simply price gouging their customers.
. You speak like you know, so you should know Apple the 5 actually decreased their margins, the 5s will cost even more. the 5c will allow for balance.
post #44 of 106

I was really hoping the 5C was going to be priced starting at $450 off-contract / $0 on-contract.  Instead we have the same "popcorn at the show" pricing model as always, with the 5S standing as a much better value at only a $100 price difference.  I guess that is the plan though.

 

In terms of physical design, I think the 5C is fantastic.  However, I am not liking the cases.  Holes in the back look silly IMO, and are going to collect so much lint and debris in the pocket.

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Then you also "don't quite get" the ridiculous runaway success of Apple's iPhone business for the last several years.

 

I'll keep your post handy for later use.

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I'll keep your post handy for later use.

 

Please do. And to be even more specific, I'll rephrase it as: You obviously don't quite get that Apple has kept last year's and two years previous' iPhone in the lineup at the same working price points since at least the iPhone 4 launch. It works. Very well. This year, its even better, since the 5C is every bit a 5, but better...In several ways. And in one big meaningful way...colors. This is a massive, undeniable selling point. Like it or not. Believe it or not. It is.

 

You also obviously don't understand the significance of how many iPhone 4S Apple sold in the last 12 months. Going forward over the next 12 months, the same market that applied to that price point will be looking at the iPhone 5C as their choice. Massive upgrade to market segment, iPhone 4S > to > iPhone 5C.

 

So, all of your comments relating to the price point are unimaginative at best and flat out ignoring reality at worst.

post #47 of 106

I personally think the expected scenario of old iPhone $100 off last year's price might have been showing signs of fatigue in light of a maturing saturation in the smartphone industry. Apple probably wanted to shake up the market and decided to give the second tier some new fashion color accents. Some like it, some don't. It is probably just a matter of perspective. Glass half empty, glass half full, but I'm pretty sure in Apple's case it will be cup runneth over.

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iPhone 5c is for "Cheap". Its supposed to be ironic since its actually very expensive being only $100 less than the significantly better iPhone 5s and a major downgrade from the iPhone5.

Major downgrade fromt the iPhone 5? In what way? Please be specific.
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It really rubs me the wrong way when people describe the iPhone 5C as a "new" phone. IT'S NOT!!! It has the exact same internals as an iPhone 5 (with the exception of a slightly larger battery and slightly better front camera). .

And there you have the Fandroid iHater philosophy come full circle.

The iPhone 4S was not a new phone because it used the same case as the 4 - even though every internal was different.

The iPhone 5C is not a new phone because it uses all the same internals (with a few upgrades) but a new case.

So what is it that makes a phone new? It's not the internals and it's not the case. /s
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post #49 of 106
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5C is targeted not for China but the younger 10-18 crowd and people who  are not tech geeks but simply like the colors. I read Burberry already using the 5C for some of it's runway show.

Well, let's hope it does well... Like some others I think it's a 'relatively' poor value when compared to the 5s( or the 5s is a great value when compared to the 5c).
Just an aside...the movie Logan's Run was on TV the other night and except for the Sandmen who wore Black... Everyone was wearing the colors of the 5c! Yellow, pink, neon green etc. Hmmm, what does Sir Jony know?
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post #50 of 106

I love this new colourful iPhone! It's just so cool!

 

If only Apple had made it from Aluminum, like what they did with ipod touch :( Probably will change my iPhone 4 for 5S

 

Anyway, anyone knows how many 5C have been pre-ordered so far?


Edited by helia - 9/15/13 at 4:27pm
post #51 of 106
Neil Hughes, the color is PINK, not red. Its sort of a salmon-pink, but still definitely pink. Apple lists it as 'Pink'.

Apple could not keep the iPhone 5 and have their new flagship phone (iPhone 5S) look nearly identical to the previous model. This is a great way to differentiate, and they will sell a bloody million of them! I love the green one and the yellow one.
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Originally Posted by Neal Douglas View Post
Apple could not keep the iPhone 5 and have their new flagship phone (iPhone 5S) look nearly identical to the previous model.

 

Of course they could. They’ve done it twice times before. This wouldn’t have been any different.

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The "C" stood for "cheap" only in the minds of the analysts who imagined that Apple would go for the cheapskate market, which apparently you are part of.
 

Exactly. Analysts, most of whom have little or no experience in marketing or product management, dare to dictate product roadmaps for Apple and others. It'd be funny if their oft-wrong predictions are stock market drivers.

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By the way, the YELLOW 5c is turning out to be the most common color being pre-ordered. I'd never have guessed that!

Are we sure? That sounds like speculation based on availability. It could be that they made fewer yellow ones than others.

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Originally Posted by helia View Post
 

I love this new colourful iPhone! It's just so cool!

 

If only Apple had made it from Aluminum, like what they did with ipod touch :( Probably will change my iPhone 4 for 5S

 

Anyway, anyone knows how many 5C have been pre-ordered so far?

No one knows until Apple releases numbers. Any number you hear/read would be pure speculation.

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Seems that 16GB Pink and Blue are sold out too..

Available to ship: by 9/25

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Of course they could. They’ve done it twice times before. This wouldn’t have been any different.

 

True.

 

What I should have said is they could not create tiered product offerings and keep the iPhone 5 design. Apple has done this multiple times in the past - create the top tier (premium) product, then start differentiating with models that fill in each level of the tier, from most expensive to least expensive. Happened with Mac, iPod, and now iPhone. I would not be surprised to eventually see another tier in the iPhone line that reaches down into that sub $500 price category.

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Originally Posted by pmz View Post
 

 

Please do. And to be even more specific, I'll rephrase it as: You obviously don't quite get that Apple has kept last year's and two years previous' iPhone in the lineup at the same working price points since at least the iPhone 4 launch. It works. Very well. This year, its even better, since the 5C is every bit a 5, but better...In several ways. And in one big meaningful way...colors. This is a massive, undeniable selling point. Like it or not. Believe it or not. It is.

 

You also obviously don't understand the significance of how many iPhone 4S Apple sold in the last 12 months. Going forward over the next 12 months, the same market that applied to that price point will be looking at the iPhone 5C as their choice. Massive upgrade to market segment, iPhone 4S > to > iPhone 5C.

 

So, all of your comments relating to the price point are unimaginative at best and flat out ignoring reality at worst.

 

I'll keep this post handy as well.

 

[you've forgotten one thing... actually, one big thing. Apple didn't do the same thing this year as last year... or the year before... or the year before... or... well, you get it.

 

It's a different positioning. New product. No matter how you spin it, it aint the 5. It's an unknown. It's new.

 

... but, please, keep pretending you are brilliant. It's amusing]

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post #58 of 106
Here in Australia, the 5C starts at $739 and the 5S starts at $869. The iPhone 5 started at $799.

So we are either paying $70 more for the flagship phone, which tops out at a ridiculous $1129 for 64GB (iPhone 5 was $999), otherwise we pay ONLY $60 less, and we get a year old phone that looses its beautiful aluminium body and is now a fatter, heavier, plastic body.

iPhone 5C isn't budget. Well it isn't here. They just made the iPhone 5S more expensive, and made the iPhone 5 look much cheaper, with only a $60 price drop. iPhone 5's are now on sale for much less, you would be an idiot to get a 5C over here. I would recommend if you want a budget phone to go get an iPhone 5 while they still have stock!
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So, next year the iPhone 5S will become plastic, but what designation will it get? iPhone 6C, or something else?

I know, I know it's too soon.... 1smile.gif
Totally valid question, kind of consfusing thinking about that if the template is a number with a letter ... so, lets just leave it to apple shall we? In other words, it's not too soon, but you're just wasting everyone's time, BOOM, IN YO FACE!

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post #60 of 106

My daughter is already asking for an iPhone 5C, and she has a brand spanking new iPhone 5 from a few months ago. She showed no interest in the 5S model.

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My daughter is already asking for an iPhone 5C, and she has a brand spanking new iPhone 5 from a few months ago. She showed no interest in the 5S model.

 

... and that is what we were saying the other day when somebody (rhetorically, I think) asked who was being targeted by Apple with the 5C.

 

The consensus: the main group being, young females.

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So, next year the iPhone 5S will become plastic, but what designation will it get? iPhone 6C, or something else?

I know, I know it's too soon.... 1smile.gif

 

I was wondering that the other day. We were trying to figure out the designation for the 5C replacement and what specs it would have.

 

Now that Apple has changed the lineup, it looks a tad confusing for the introduction in 2014.

 

As someone else mentioned... we'll just have to wait and see how Apple handles it.

 

Meanwhile... I'm waiting for the 3rd week of January to see then numbers for the holiday quarter.

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... and that is what we were saying the other day when somebody (rhetorically, I think) asked who was being targeted by Apple with the 5C.

 

The consensus: the main group being, young females.

If the 5C had 5S internals and priced the same, I'd get the 5C, yeah probably the least colorful white one, but I think colors, you know, COLORS, appeal to everyone, not just girls.

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Originally Posted by murman View Post
If the 5C had 5S internals and priced the same, Id get the 5C

 

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If the 5C had 5S internals and priced the same, I'd get the 5C, yeah probably the least colorful white one, but I think colors, you know, COLORS, appeal to everyone, not just girls.

 

Colors appeal to everyone, but you'd pick the white one :)

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Colors appeal to everyone, but you'd pick the white one :)

 

We talked about that as well. That the white model [might] have the widest appeal.


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If the 5C had 5S internals and priced the same, I'd get the 5C, yeah probably the least colorful white one, but I think colors, you know, COLORS, appeal to everyone, not just girls.

 

I don't seem to recall saying that the colors would only appeal to girls.

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Making the IPhone 5 case was expensive and time consuming. The same equipment is used to make the iPhone 5s case. Had Apple kept the iPhone 5 in production continuing to offer it would cause production problems because Apple would have to use the same equipment to make both phones cases. This move was about freeing up resources for the 5s while bringing down he cost and improving the appeal of the 5.

That is all fine and understandable, and I don't have anything against plastic.

I do agree with some other posters, though, that Apple should have made 5c a bit cheaper than what iPhone 5 would be now. Since Apple's practice of keeping last year's iPhone on the market for $100 less is well known, it might look a bit greedy to introduce new phone, perceived cheaper to make, for the price more premium looking iP5 would hold otherwise.

End of the day, extra cost on bigger battery and better camera might even nullify savings on plastic case, making iP5c equally expensive to make as iP5... but what really happens and how it is being perceived isn't always the same thing, unfortunately. Maybe Apple should have put some focus on those facts in their presentation - no harm in justifying?
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Plastic chassis
Larger
Heavier

Wow, did not know that mattered to Android fans. 1smile.gif

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We will see if iPhone5C is actually better. My wife still uses the iPhone 4. Just yesterday, in a part of the state where AT&T has meager coverage, she had 4-5 bars of signal, and my iPhone 5 had "no service". Is it a problem with the iPhone 5 or MY iPhone 5?

With a plastic case, might it be that the antenna will be substantially more effective? That alone would make the 5C substantially better, and worth the upgrade.
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I'm sure my wife is in the same boat as many people.  She has a iPhone 4 and is ready for an upgrade.  She's ready to get the latest iPhone without paying an arm and a leg.  An extra $100 for "faster" and a fingerprint reader is, for her, a lot of money.  She'd rather pay $100 for twice the storage of her current 16 GB phone.  So we pre-ordered the blue 32 GB one.  Frankly if the price were $49 for 16 and $149 for 32, she might have stuck with 16, costing Apple $150.  (Actually we could have gotten the 32 anyway, but she would have felt like she was paying 3 times the price for just twice the storage.)

 

I expect Apple will sell of ton of these at the current prices and then knock $50 off for some promotion at some point.  I think they know what they are doing.

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We will see if iPhone5C is actually better. My wife still uses the iPhone 4. Just yesterday, in a part of the state where AT&T has meager coverage, she had 4-5 bars of signal, and my iPhone 5 had "no service". Is it a problem with the iPhone 5 or MY iPhone 5?

With a plastic case, might it be that the antenna will be substantially more effective? That alone would make the 5C substantially better, and worth the upgrade.

 

That's pretty funny, actually... that the infamous antennagate phone, the iP4 had better signal strength.  :-)

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Colors appeal to everyone, but you'd pick the white one :)

 

But I'd pick the pink case, WHATS IT TO YA?!

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I don't seem to recall saying that the colors would only appeal to girls.

You said this : The consensus: the main group being, young females.

 

The reason I disagreed was the yellow model sold out first, and I see a lot of young guys with yellow, orange, light green cars, sure cars are not phones, the appeal is different, still, I think 5c is targeted at young people in general, and not just girls, and really females of all ages isn't it, except those who want to look serious, those would choose muted colors, guys have this thing with being macho, not wanting to look effeminate (feeeegs). Older guys definitely will reject the color, but I don't think young guys care, some of them, if you look at their fashion, and  if you choose a phone the girls like, hey, that's a conversation starter right there. Yea, you're not all that wrong, but still off man. (as if I'm totally right <- you know lets just do that).

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That is all fine and understandable, and I don't have anything against plastic.

I do agree with some other posters, though, that Apple should have made 5c a bit cheaper than what iPhone 5 would be now. Since Apple's practice of keeping last year's iPhone on the market for $100 less is well known, it might look a bit greedy to introduce new phone, perceived cheaper to make, for the price more premium looking iP5 would hold otherwise.

End of the day, extra cost on bigger battery and better camera might even nullify savings on plastic case, making iP5c equally expensive to make as iP5... but what really happens and how it is being perceived isn't always the same thing, unfortunately. Maybe Apple should have put some focus on those facts in their presentation - no harm in justifying?

 

I don't know how the cost of the 5C or 5S is computed. It seems people look at an inventory of the separate parts and then conclude the consumer is getting gouged. Perhaps looking at marginal cost, for sure. But I have not seen (perhaps I've missed it) estimates of cost based upon recovering design, building new robotics for manufacturing the phones, and a number of other capital expenses which Apple must recover. 

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It really rubs me the wrong way when people describe the iPhone 5C as a "new" phone. IT'S NOT!!! It has the exact same internals as an iPhone 5 (with the exception of a slightly larger battery and slightly better front camera). All they did was put it into a plastic case instead of a metal case. The price is exactly the same as the 5 would have been had Apple continued to offer it. The only difference is now Apple will definitely be making more money per handset since the casing material (and likely the manufacturing process) is much cheaper. The consumer gets a phone that does exactly nothing better than the iPhone 5 did at the same price. As one of the earlier commenters said, C stands for "CHEAP." It's not cheap in the sense that it costs less, it's cheap in that Apple is giving you a worse phone for the same price you would have paid for the iPhone 5.
Different cell service radio chip as well. That's a better "phone".
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We will see if iPhone5C is actually better. My wife still uses the iPhone 4. Just yesterday, in a part of the state where AT&T has meager coverage, she had 4-5 bars of signal, and my iPhone 5 had "no service". Is it a problem with the iPhone 5 or MY iPhone 5?

With a plastic case, might it be that the antenna will be substantially more effective? That alone would make the 5C substantially better, and worth the upgrade.
Did you have your metal shell 5 in a case? Some cases interfere with reception.
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

We talked about that as well. That the white model [might] have the widest appeal.

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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

 

... Apple has kept last year's and two years previous' iPhone in the lineup at the same working price points since at least the iPhone 4 launch. It works. Very well. This year, its even better, since the 5C is every bit a 5, but better...In several ways. And in one big meaningful way...colors. This is a massive, undeniable selling point. ...

 

... significance of how many iPhone 4S Apple sold in the last 12 months. Going forward over the next 12 months, the same market that applied to that price point will be looking at the iPhone 5C as their choice. Massive upgrade to market segment, iPhone 4S > to > iPhone 5C.

 

Yes, I expect the 5C will do quite well as currently priced.  Still, at a personal level I am disappointed it wasn't introduced at a lower price point.  That will teach me to let analyst predictions set my expectations.

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If they'd priced it just $50 less they'd be hitting the sweet spot.

As it is they're simply profiteering, guaranteed they'll be making more per phone on the 5C then if they'd kept the iPhone 5.

It's a great phone and they will sell millions, no questions there.

Just a shame that they could not resist squeezing that little bit extra blood out of the stone.

 

$50 less? Really?—that’s the “sweet spot”? What’s $50 compared to what we shell out to the service providers?!? My wife and I have iPhones. We have the minimum possible plan—the only one available in our area. With the many taxes and fees courtesy of our appalling government, our bill is $187.93 per month or a staggering $2255.16 a year—the price of a brand new 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display—but, after using a MBP for a year, you can sell it for nearly what you paid. Like a BWMs and Mercedes cars, Apple products cost less to own than crappy products. When did everyone forget that stuff only costs what you pay minus what you get when you sell it?

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