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Chinese customers looking to score a launch day reservation for an unlocked iPhone 5s may soon be out of luck, one report says, as the company has already run out of inventory at all three Beijing Apple Stores.

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Apple's Chinese iPhone reservation system. | Source: Sina Tech


Update: It appears that only the unlocked 16GB Space Gray iPhone 5s remains up for reservation in Beijing and Hong Kong.

According to Chinese language publication Sina Tech, the gold iPhone 5s appears to be one the most popular models in the country's capital city, with first day stock running out at the Sanlitun, Xidan Joy City, and Wangfujing Apple Stores just two hours after reservations went live on Tuesday, local Beijing time. The report goes on to say that other colors and capacities of the iPhone 5s were still available at the time of writing, but did not elaborate further.

It should be noted that only Beijing Apple Stores were included in the report, though the news sheds some light on Chinese demand for the handset. Both the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c went up for reservations on Tuesday, with in-store pick-ups to commence on Sept. 20.

Apple is conducting Chinese iPhone sales a bit differently this year, and is requiring customers to text a special phone number to receive a booking code that can then be entered into the online reservation system. After that step is completed, customers choose a specific device configuration, provide a form of accepted government issued identification, and can then complete the purchase in-store at a designated time.

Apple's pick-up reservation system was first instituted with the iPhone 4S to control crowds and dissuade gray market sales of newly launched products.

While Apple has not provided iPhone 5c preorder numbers, much to the chagrin of investors, market watchers expect new deals with Japan's NTT DoCoMo and an anticipated agreement with China Mobile to drive an additional 35 million unit sales in 2014.

China Mobile, the world's largest cellular provider with over 740 million subscribers, has yet to announce a partnership with Apple, though the Chinese government granted the new iPhones a license to operate on the telecom's unique TD-LTE network last week, suggesting a deal has been inked.
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Gold and white are both sold out in China and HK. Only variants of the unlocked black 16GB remain available.
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Don't want to come across as viperish and contumelious, but: hey, analysts... ROFLMMFAO :lol: 

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The Black 32GB 5s was already sold out at 8:04 this morning :-/ (HK)

Tom
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This is why we can't have nice things.

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There is no white 5s.

 

There is no black 5s.

 

If people are going to comment on the phones, at least get the colors right. You're only making things confusing, since there was a black iPhone 5 and white iPhone 5.

 

There are three iPhone 5s colors, gold, silver and space grey.

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Hey Mr. Musk, and ms. Karen from CNBC it's time to eat crow. Especially ms. Karen who declared today on CNBC that she "lost confidence in Apple". Eat crow. ROFLMAO.
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For all those saying that the price of the 5C is still too high for China, do keep in mind how cheap monthly service is here compared to the U.S. I pay only about US$8 for my plan on China Unicom, which includes 240 SMS, 300 MB of data, and 50 minutes of voice. As in most countries, you are not charged for incoming SMS or voice.

This means two years of service runs about US$200 instead of US$2000. A significant difference.
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Sorry apple ][ I meant "space-gray". Sorry that I commented without getting the colors right.
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For all those saying that the price of the 5C is still too high for China, do keep in mind how cheap monthly service is here compared to the U.S. I pay only about US$8 for my plan on China Unicom, which includes 240 SMS, 300 MB of data, and 50 minutes of voice. As in most countries, you are not charged for incoming SMS or voice.

This means two years of service runs about US$200 instead of US$2000. A significant difference.

Ah ha; so even with a higher price up front the total 2 yr cost is much lower in China.

So all the negativity on the too high a cost iPhone 5C, from the "know it all" USA investment houses, is just a lot of hot air from dummies.

Go Apple Go! Up and away $$$ !

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Sorry apple ][ I meant "space-gray". Sorry that I commented without getting the colors right.

 

No problem. I knew what you meant, I just pointed it out for the sake of accuracy, and because maybe somebody else might have gotten confused.

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For all those saying that the price of the 5C is still too high for China,

 

The price isn't too high for the segment of the market that Apple is targeting - that with disposable income to spend on things like iPhones. Think about this:

 

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Apple isn't interested in China's 1.2 billion mobile customers. They only interested in the (currently) 200 million who are able to pay a premium for quality: ie. the middle class.

This segment of the market is expected to double it's current income by 2022 and they will number 3x the US's baby boomer generation by that time. Looking wider, Asia's middle class is expected to grow to 1.7 billion by 2022. It's these people that Apple is aiming for, with similar margins on products to which is has been garnering in Western markets all along.

There's no reason at all for Apple to do "cheap" when dealing with these kinds of numbers, not for several years at least.

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Don't want to come across as viperish and contumelious, but: hey, analysts... ROFLMMFAO lol.gif  

Prepare yourself for them to claim the stock-outs are due to supply constraints.
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Clearly no-one in China wants the iPhone 5S lol.

I think it's fairly obvious that there are two reasons a China Mobile hasn't materialized yet.

1) Apple doesn't have enough of the iPhone 5S to meet the supply (Even though this is likely due to demand being insanely high, I'm sure Wall-street will spin this news as worries about "horrible yields"

2) China Mobile is still working on preparing its network for a flood of iPhone 5C and 5S.

I'd be more than happy to bet that China Mobile plans to offer very significant subsidies on the 5C and 5S, and possibly offer it free on contract.
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Hey Jeffries and Marketwatch and Forbes and LA Times and Wall Street Journal and motley Fool and other analysts:

Suck on lemons you opportunistic fear mongering hacks.

I'll stick with Apples.
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This was a ploy by the upper class to get the lower classes to sell their apple stock.

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So who was saying that iPhone 5C are expensive for Chinese Market? Apparently, they are eating up iPhone 5S, where they are making only $1000/Month median income. This goes to prove once again - All those financial analysts and especially all those dick heads and bitches at CNBC - Get a job where your level of intelligence works! You guys have no clues and are making statements and telling one of the top companies in the world in how they should be running their company.

 

Go Apple! Wait until China Mobile deal is officially announced. The DOCOMO is going to bring in more customer in Japan also.

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Does anyone know when unlocked iPhone 5S will be available for shipping in the US ?
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Once again wall street clever folks' guesses are just their imagination and agenda,

Wall street FAIL.

LOL
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https://ireservea.apple.com/CN/zh_CN/reserve/iPhone/checkAvailability

This is the link for checking iPhone availability in all the 8 apple stores in China. iPhone 5s are out of stock in all 8 stores except that some stores still have 16 gb gray ones.
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Wow so the 5C is available but 5S is sold out - in China. Do people need any more proof that the 5C is overpriced?
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So who was saying that iPhone 5C are expensive for Chinese Market? Apparently, they are eating up iPhone 5S, where they are making only $1000/Month median income. This goes to prove once again - All those financial analysts and especially all those dick heads and bitches at CNBC - Get a job where your level of intelligence works! You guys have no clues and are making statements and telling one of the top companies in the world in how they should be running their company.

Go Apple! Wait until China Mobile deal is officially announced. The DOCOMO is going to bring in more customer in Japan also.
If the 5C wasn't too expensive wouldn't they be eating that up too? I thought everyone was saying the 5C was made for China because of the colors.
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Wow so the 5C is available but 5S is sold out - in China. Do people need any more proof that the 5C is overpriced?

 

Yes, please.

 
Why does Apple sell the 5S from the 17th in China (only place on earth), when they did not totally expect that?
 
Even an industry greenhorn like Tim Cook knew that an, almost $750 including taxes, 5C won't cause a stampede in China. /s
 
There is only one reason that there is no "C"heap model. They did not want to offer one. Whoever wants to suggest that Apple thought that the 5C would be a mass market item in China or India... insults everybody's intelligence here.
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Yes, please.
 
Why does Apple sell the 5S from the 17th in China (only place on earth), when they did not totally expect that?
 
Even an industry greenhorn like Tim Cook knew that an, almost $750 including taxes, 5C won't cause a stampede in China. /s
 
There is only one reason that there is no "C"heap model. They did not want to offer one. Whoever wants to suggest that Apple thought that the 5C would be a mass market item in China or India... insults everybody's intelligence here.
The headline in the WJS is that preorders suggest weak demand for new iPhones in China. Just saw the headline so not sure what they're basing it on. God I hope Apple releases numbers that blow people away next Monday.

As far as your comments on the 5C, then I guess I don't get the point of the product. If Apple just wants to cater to the high end why go plastic? Colored plastic doesn't scream high end.
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Wow so the 5C is available but 5S is sold out - in China. Do people need any more proof that the 5C is overpriced?

 

This would imply the assumption that both models are equally available. We do not know that.

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For all those saying that the price of the 5C is still too high for China, do keep in mind how cheap monthly service is here compared to the U.S. I pay only about US$8 for my plan on China Unicom, which includes 240 SMS, 300 MB of data, and 50 minutes of voice. As in most countries, you are not charged for incoming SMS or voice.

This means two years of service runs about US$200 instead of US$2000. A significant difference.

Thank you for putting things into perspective!
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Wow so the 5C is available but 5S is sold out - in China. Do people need any more proof that the 5C is overpriced?

Has it ever occurred to you they might have enough in stock? Sold out can mean two different things you know.
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I'll be one of the ones handing over cash for a 5S the 5C holds no interest for me.

 

The preorders in China reinforce that there are probably millions like me who are yet to be counted.

 

Published analysts are a bunch of stupid, stock manipulating twats.

 

Recommendation buy AAPL before figures are released next Monday.

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The reservation sysem starts at Hong Kong time 6:00am. I've wake up at 6:00am and spents 3 hours in order to log in to Apple server. However, the Apple website always busy and I can not make any reservation.
After keeping refresh their Apple reservation website for three hours, I can go to the reservation pages. However, All iPhone 5s are SOLD OUT already.

Last year,I've been waiting for 2 months for my iPhone 5 because of iPhone shortage and I have many friends switch to Samsung phone because they cannot buy an iPhone from Apple even waited for few months.

Why it is so difficult to buy a Phone from Apple and many apple users in Hong Kong do not see Apple Hong Kong to do anything, or even shows their intention to do anything to remedy this situation. It discourage many Apple user in Hong Kong.
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Just saying that from this morning, even if the 16GB _seems_ available in all three HK shops (space-gray again), if you continue to the final page where you enter your name and "confirm" the reservation, at the bottom it says "the time selected is not available anymore" or at other times "the product is no longer available". It basically alternates between the two and is either a glitch in the system or it is that people do cancel their reservations and others are picking up instantly.

I decided to go for the 16GB just because nothing else was there and learnt that first-hand.

Occasionally, now tried the reservation for around 10 minutes again, it will show phones unavailable immediately (not allowing any 5s to be selected) or grays out when you click on "unlocked only" (i'm not interested in contract) or then tells you above messages when you do successfully fill in all your required information (ie government ID and stuff)

So, ATM nada is available. Only 5c and 4s. (not sure why the latter is available for reservation even)

Tom
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Come on folks... this is nothing new with Apple and their fight against the anal-ists and WS. Time and again Apple has PROVEN their strategy of selling at a premium price point with ALL of their products. As I posted last week: why would any anal-ist expect Apple to leave money on the table, when Apple knows for a historical FACT that on launch, they can not keep up with demand even.

Just a thought... but does anyone really look behind the operation and grasp what selling 1 mil, 2 mil up to a very possible 10 million (very possible this time) devices in a day? The logistics just on paper would make the average persons head explode. Push that to 50 - 100 Mil. devices in a month, again quite possible this time around, and what kind of money would Apple be leaving on the table if they priced to anal-ist expectations? We already know that Apple would get raked over the coals for not meeting profit margins... and/or Tim Cook would be beaten up over supply problems. Facit: Apple can and never will win against these clowns.

Also of note, that "if" Apple had decided to price this iPhone or any other iOS device aggressively, do they realize that it would collapse their competitors over night? Do the anl-ists REALLY want that? I thought they were all for competition in the market place.

This just in (actually from last years iPhone 5 launch 24 Sept 2012):
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Shocking no one, Apple (AAPL) announced on Monday that its brand new iPhone 5 smartphone set a new record for opening-weekend sales. The company confirmed that during the device’s first three days of availability, Apple and its retail partners managed to sell more than 5 million iPhone 5 handsets including preorders. Apple also said more than (1) 100 million iOS device owners updated to iOS 6 since the new OS was released last week.

The new iPhone launched Friday, September 21st following heavy demand that saw launch-day preorder inventory sell out in less than one hour at Apple.com. Apple announced last week that it sold more than (2) 2 million iPhones during the smartphone’s first 24 hours of availability.

Early estimates suggested Apple could sell as many as 10 million new iPhones during the handset’s debut weekend, and Apple’s stock is down 2.24% in pre-market trading as a result.

(1) I expect that number to be in the 300-400 million with iOS 7

(2) 5x? 10? I'm at a loss to even guess, because I personally think the demand is huge with both 5S and specifically 5C. Just wait until people get this physically in their hands. I bet that many will not be able to put it back, and once again Apple will PROVE their engineering expertise with something so "simple and cheap" (/s) as plastic.

Will any of this raise AAPL? Probably not a lot.. Because their lack of an iWatch or TV, or some other made up rumored product will have not materialized and Apple/Tim Cook will be claimed to be failing to "innovate". And even when/if any of these rumored products make it out of the labs at Apple does get announced, we'll go through the very same BS as with the iPhone. Rinse and repeat.

Summed up: there is absolutely NO fundamental reason whatsoever WHY AAPL is so a volatile stock, other than that Wall Street wants it to be.
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Just a thought... but does anyone really look behind the operation and grasp what selling 1 mil, 2 mil up to a very possible 10 million (very possible this time) devices in a day? The logistics just on paper would make the average persons head explode. Push that to 50 - 100 Mil. devices in a month, again quite possible this time around, and what kind of money would Apple be leaving on the table if they priced to anal-ist expectations? 

100M devices per month? How?

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Last year,I've been waiting for 2 months for my iPhone 5 because of iPhone shortage and I have many friends switch to Samsung phone because they cannot buy an iPhone from Apple even waited for few months.
 

 

I'm with you... I waited weeks until finally caving in and getting a contract.  But I'm not willing to extend my contract every year... by 24 months. it was especially bizarre as it was the news everywhere that the phone was available in Hong Kong... yet you couldn't buy it, only from scalpers. They even waited outside the store and waved them in the air. 

 

But truth is, most of the phones will go to the telco's to be given out with contract. There's little we people can do. I'm expecting a call from 3 in the next few days / weeks and after a few more weeks I probably have to cave in and sign for a contract extension again ;-)

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So, ATM nada is available. Only 5c and 4s. (not sure why the latter is available for reservation even)

Tom

4S is available for reservation or for ordering immediately?

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I didn't check. I was just pointing out that I found i strange the 4s would be offered for reservation. Three phones where able to select. 4s, 5c, 5s.

 

Not sure why. However, on the shop page it says the 4s is on 3-5 days shipping (so it seems you can outright order it online Well that would put it on the 20th as well. (Available to ship:
3-5 business days)

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Wow so the 5C is available but 5S is sold out - in China. Do people need any more proof that the 5C is overpriced?

 

Yes, we need actual numbers sold for both the 5C and 5S. Just because the 5S is sold out means nothing. It is easy to sell out if you only have a limited number too start with. Consider that the 5S isn't even going to start being sold in the USA until the 20th and its' price is higher. It would make sense that there might be a lot more 5C's available than there are 5S'. Only time and real numbers will tell.

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My personal observation of analysts is that they over rely on too few points in the supply chain (e.g. samsung) to determine apple's sales, when those same suppliers know that they can affect AAPL stock price by leaking false information. Something they'd be foolish not to take advantage of.

They also seem to gauge consumer interest, not by conducting research, but by reading the comments section of mac-related websites, reddit and related forums. Sources which have long lost purity on representing actual consumer interest, but rather are overrun with placed shills parroting the same, false, messages. (e.g. China celebrities fake tweets of 2013)

Indeed, opinion can be shaped this way, so it's no surprise that this is a frequently used tool by business and government. One only needs to read reddit or macrumors to see overwhelming quantities of this, even reading the edits page for the iPhone 5 wikipedia article, provides an interesting perspective.

The short of what I'm trying to say is that analysts are going to be consistently wrong if they keep basing their analyses on lazy sources. It's quite remarkable hearing an analyst become the mega-phone for an obvious piece of bait that started in /r/technology.
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The unlocked phones would work on china mobiles network now that the phones have native support correct?
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