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Originally Posted by macinthe408 View Post

Um, because they make their own OS, not borrow someone else's. Maybe Tizen will work for you guys, you know, your own blood, sweat, and tears that build it, as opposed to throwing on a few sprinkles and flourishes on the Mountain View product.

To zen I heard actually belong to HTC which Samsung ripped off and 'made their own'
post #82 of 127

Let's see how Samsung manage the Android->Tizen transition.

 

Android handsets are set to repeat the fate of netbooks. The same consumers that love cheap handsets will also love progressively cheaper handsets. Competition over progressively lower and lower margins heats up until it's basically pointless manufacturing them. Everyone made a quick grab for market share with big screened handsets (the benefits of which were easy to market) but how will they fare with progressively fewer new features to convince people to buy a second phone? And a third? The differentiators are gradually shifting from hardware to software. To manage that you need to manage the ecosystem. Samsung desperately needs to unhinge themselves from Google, but they risk bleeding customers if the transition to Tizen is handled poorly. There is potential for a lot of pain.

 

Meanwhile Apple are positioned to complete a (relatively) painless transition to 64 bit, larger screens, and is basically in a position to adjust prices/margins overnight if they ever feel the need to. If Apple push into iBeacons for business they could leverage retail payments as a new revenue stream, get free business data to improve Apple Maps and, significantly, cut Google out of the loop for real-world, location based advertising. iBeacons will be to NFC what Touch ID was to other fingerprint readers. Effortless for the user, therefore accessible and frequently used.


Edited by Dunks - 9/20/13 at 11:11pm
post #83 of 127
Samsung - we've copied the phone and tablet world. Now let's try copying the heart-winning experience.
post #84 of 127

I don't get it. First Samsung mocks the queue's for the new iPhone then they try to work out how they can get the same reaction for their POS phones? 

 

Curiouser and curiouser.

post #85 of 127
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Gonna be TV shopping pretty soon. The small one in the bedroom I'm replacing is a Samsung, which I've been fairly happy with, picturewise—the menu structure is unbelievably idiotic, but what are you gonna do?

No of course, I wouldn't buy anything from those crooks, but when it comes to chaebol business ethics, is the Lucky Group any better? Anybody know?

(No, "LG" does not stand for "Life's Good".)

 

Are you kidding? No.

And yes, I own a LG HDTV. If I knew the HDMI connectivity issues and even the analog VGA syncing issues I would have, I would never have bought it. WORST TV EVER. 

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post #86 of 127
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

I do remember that there were lines for the first Motorola Droid, but after that there has been none.

 

It's called learning the hard way :lol:

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post #87 of 127
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Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post

Gonna be TV shopping pretty soon. The small one in the bedroom I'm replacing is a Samsung, which I've been fairly happy with, picturewise—the menu structure is unbelievably idiotic, but what are you gonna do?

No of course, I wouldn't buy anything from those crooks, but when it comes to chaebol business ethics, is the Lucky Group any better? Anybody know?

(No, "LG" does not stand for "Life's Good".)

Lucky-Goldstar. :lol:

post #88 of 127
I wouldn't be surprised if the next Galaxy has a gold option
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post #89 of 127
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Originally Posted by Dunks View Post
 

Let's see how Samsung manage the Android->Tizen transition.

 

Believe it or not, they're actually not that stupid. They'll keep selling 2,341 phones with Android and 2479 phones with Tizen. People who don't want Tizen will continue with Android. People who are brave enough to try Tizen will leave Android. Either way, the loss of one will be absorbed by the profit of the other.

 

Though I strongly feel that Tizen would be colossal disaster. First of all - consumer fragmentation. Second - massively buggy (like all Samsung software). Third - developer fragmentation. Fourth - no design aesthetics (to be fair, to Android users, even http://bit.ly/1aTg5wj is a beauty to behold). And well there's fifth - iOS and its brilliant ecosystem with iPhone.

 

If Samsung sticks with Android, sooner or later, it's game over. If they try Tizen, who knows again, what will happen. Would be kinda fun to watch though.

post #90 of 127
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Originally Posted by stoutie View Post

Dear Samsung, the Apple mystique is really quite simple: you never see customers applauding people walking out of a McDonald's. That's why you will never see customers applauding when someone walks out of a store with a Samsung phone. It's the product, stupid. Try innovating instead of imitating.

 

Now Innovation really never has been Samsung's thing. They do what they are best at "Cloning" and then wonder why people love iPhones.


INNOVATE !! Work Hard instead of Copying , and be ETHICAL !
post #91 of 127
A tacky company, that Samsung. They're on my no fly list.

Lemon Bon BOn.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #92 of 127
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post
 

I don't know about that. They do make a lot of the parts that go into Apple products so it can't be all crap. They also build a lot of quality hardware like TVs, home appliances, and some industrial equipment. The crap part is their business ethics and their lack of creativity. The main reason Samsung phones are inferior to Apple's is that Android is crap compared to iOS.

I just purchased 2 new TV's in the last 3 weeks I looked at Samsung crap and decided to purchase Vizio I think I purchased a better QUALITY TV.

post #93 of 127
@mstone
They also make a vacuum cleaner that looks surprisingly like a Dyson. Oh wait... They're being sued by Dyson for that.

Nothing from those crook copiers will ever be in my home.
post #94 of 127
Samsung simply has no taste.
post #95 of 127
Samsung, wow, jealous much? You know, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

It's the quality of product they build. Customers' confidence that each new one will be better than the last. Great customer service. The fact that it's actually FUN to buy something in their store, the sales staff is always so full of energy, it's an amazing experience. Their awesome ecosystem of hardware and software that always just works so seamlessly together. Their products are just fun to hold (this is something even I don't have words for. If you find the answer to this, tell me why.) THAT, my friends, is why we line up for Apple's, and ONLY Apple's, products.
post #96 of 127

Samesung is a cloner company making cheap knockoffs.  They copy everything Apple does.  Why would i want a crappy copy when i can buy the real thing in an iPhone?  Samesung, can pay off analysts and bloggers, but they can not buy off the educated public.  I will never buy anything with the Samesung logo on the outside, and i do my best to get everyone i know to do the same.

 

Perhaps if Samesung did not steal everything from Apple and actually did something for themselves perceptions might change.

post #97 of 127
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 Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post

Gonna be TV shopping pretty soon. The small one in the bedroom I'm replacing is a Samsung, which I've been fairly happy with, picturewise—the menu structure is unbelievably idiotic, but what are you gonna do?

No of course, I wouldn't buy anything from those crooks, but when it comes to chaebol business ethics, is the Lucky Group any better? Anybody know?

(No, "LG" does not stand for "Life's Good".)

I have a "wonderful" +5-year-old LG refrigerator. Every year they send me $3 and change, because they lied about how much energy it uses.

post #98 of 127
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post
 

Okay...Is that just your opinion or are there reputable experts who have published something like this? Why are their appliances so popular then? For example their refrigerators and laundry machines get 4.5 stars on both Home Depot and Lowe's.

 

It's easy for someone to give a review on a brand new product, or even one that's only a few months old. If you make it past the warranty period and leave a review, it probably still works good for now. Give it a little more time, and that's when the problems happen and you forget all about that review you did on some website. 

 
Case in point: I bought a new Samescum NX1100 camera (Nikon N-Series knockoff) from Sam's Club, and Samescum gives away the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 with purchase. The Tab is a joke, and the camera completely quit working after about 50 pictures. The replacement wasn't much better. I ended up just returning it for good. Oh, and Samescum didn't recognize the serial numbers of either for warranty registration!
 
I know 2 people who've owned 2 other Samescum products: 1) refrigerator - nothing but problems from the day he bought it. The replacement from Lowe's started acting up after about 6 months. 2) TV - after about 2 years, the backlight started flaking out. Good thing he opted for Geek Squad warranty, or he would've been out almost $2,000 to replace it. 
 
Lesson learned: I'll never buy a Samsung product again, and neither will they. Samescum may make some good components, but they seriously have problems putting them all together into one finished product. 
post #99 of 127
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

"Other companies release new phones, but there's not as much passion and heat," one Samsung operative said. "It's only Apple. Why? We're curious."

Originality, quality, focus, integrity, useful innovation, attention to detail, adhering to strong design principles, integrated eco-system, useful services, good customer support, to name a few. Some of these can be bought, many of them can't and their association with the brand doesn't happen overnight.

Samsung is a good component manufacturer, one of the best. Their SSDs are best in class as are their display panels. They aren't good at wrapping those components into a quality product. A company that does make quality Android products is HTC and they are struggling financially. If Samsung bought HTC, put all Samsung parts inside an HTC design, put out a limited number of models and put their marketing behind it, I think they'd get a bit more respect for their products.

However, that would still be missing out on many of the above items and the combination of those is what separates Apple. The business model Apple's competitors use doesn't allow all of these traits to come together. They don't all have their own stores, have a long history of rocking the technology industry, have a history of doing very few things well rather than a try everything and see what happens approach, they rely on 3rd party hardware and/or software, much of their customer support lies with their resellers and they put marketing ahead of product design.

When people invest in an eco-system, there is a reliance on it and there is an expectation that the eco-system will not just be dependable today but far into the future. Samsung markets things for today but there is no indication that they will deliver something amazing further down the line without a company like Apple to lead the way. Followers follow leaders. Samsung is a follower and essentially a middle-man to original ideas.

Integrity comes pretty high up. You can't be disingenuous in your approach to an industry and expect a genuine sentiment in return.
post #100 of 127
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Originally Posted by bullhead View Post
 

Samesung is a cloner company making cheap knockoffs.  They copy everything Apple does.  Why would i want a crappy copy when i can buy the real thing in an iPhone?  Samesung, can pay off analysts and bloggers, but they can not buy off the educated public.  I will never buy anything with the Samesung logo on the outside, and i do my best to get everyone i know to do the same.

 

Perhaps if Samesung did not steal everything from Apple and actually did something for themselves perceptions might change.

 

Now they're copying Dyson... 

 
Oh, and I recently found out my Maytag Neptune washer was made by Samescum. It leaks water onto the circuit board, and it's a fire hazard. Their solution? They sent me a GFI adapter to plug it into so it kicks if/when it shorts out instead of fixing the leak (3 years out of warranty). That's how you do it, Samescum style. 
post #101 of 127
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Okay...Is that just your opinion or are there reputable experts who have published something like this? Why are their appliances so popular then? For example their refrigerators and laundry machines get 4.5 stars on both Home Depot and Lowe's.

Don't forget Scamsung employ fake reviewers to boost their own ratings an damage competitors reviews as they did with HTC.
post #102 of 127
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I have all GE in my kitchens. In most places in the US and many other parts of the Americas, German made appliances such Bosch are very rare, not to mention finding parts and consumables such as water filters. I did see a Bosch dishwasher at Home Depot but I just checked and it does not appear to be for sale any longer, but that is about it. Where did you find your information about Samsung appliances failing right after the warranty expired? The Samsung warranty is the same as Bosch, 1 year parts and labor, but in the case of Bosch only if the unit is on the ground floor. If Samsung appliances consistently failed after the first year I seriously doubt they would enjoy such a high rating at the major home centers in the US.

ALL appliances are garbage. My sister just got rid of her 4-year-old Bosch dishwasher, because it failed. The last 3 houses I purchased came with GE appliances. I would never buy a GE appliance. 

 

I wish Apple would be more like Samsung and make appliances. We would likely then be able to purchase dishwashers that actually washed dishes; washing machines that are not mold making machines; dryers that really dry clothes wrinkle-free; ovens that have mother boards that do not fail; refrigerators that use very little electricity while maintaining a uniform temperature throughout the compartment. If Apple made refrigerators they would likely have a feature that would monitor and let you know the freshness of the contents.

 

If Apple made appliances ... they would work as intended, be durable and last well beyond the warranty, have features that people would want and use, have simple and intuitive controls, have great customer service if there ever was an issue, be beautifully designed and built, and people would stand in line to get the latest models.

post #103 of 127
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Originally Posted by flippysc View Post

 

If Apple made refrigerators they would likely have a feature that would monitor and let you know the freshness of the contents.

 

And fingerprint authentication to prevent people from drinking your beer...

post #104 of 127
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Originally Posted by flippysc View Post
 

ALL appliances are garbage. My sister just got rid of her 4-year-old Bosch dishwasher, because it failed. The last 3 houses I purchased came with GE appliances. I would never buy a GE appliance. 

 

I wish Apple would be more like Samsung and make appliances. We would likely then be able to purchase dishwashers that actually washed dishes; washing machines that are not mold making machines; dryers that really dry clothes wrinkle-free; ovens that have mother boards that do not fail; refrigerators that use very little electricity while maintaining a uniform temperature throughout the compartment. If Apple made refrigerators they would likely have a feature that would monitor and let you know the freshness of the contents.

 

If Apple made appliances ... they would work as intended, be durable and last well beyond the warranty, have features that people would want and use, have simple and intuitive controls, have great customer service if there ever was an issue, be beautifully designed and built, and people would stand in line to get the latest models.

 

 

Not All. Bosch is a bit better than most, but if you want real quality you need Miele, Rosieres or Ariston. Of course those cost twice the price of the lower quality brands where Samsung put its efforts. And the even better quality (industrial use) cost 10x that.

 

There is no magic :  longlife, quality & ease of use,  price ? choose 2.

 

The first in particular is dependant of the component with the lowest quality so even a small bad one will ruin the whole thing.

Repairability is also something that cost more than simply gluing parts in place (check industrial equivalents to faint at the ticket price).

 

Note that on that last point, Apple is in fact not very good, choosing thinner and lighter designs before repairability. For phones it does not matter much, but would a lot for a dishwasher.

post #105 of 127
Originally Posted by andrzejls View Post
I guess you are just to dumb to know that both iOS and Android come from Linux that is a free version of the real thing UNIX.

 

No, he just knows that’s a nonsensical statement worthy of making it into the Top 30 Most Nonsensical Statements of All Time.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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post #106 of 127
The Galaxy S4 is a big plastic Android crap smartphone. Within four months it's worth only half the original price and going out the door in BOGO fashion. I know it's a very capable smartphone as most high-end smartphones go, but just because it sports bigger display or a quad-core processor that doesn't make it light years ahead of a conservatively-built iPhone. This BS about how Apple no longer innovates just because it doesn't have a large display is just plain stupid. Let the consumer decide what they consider innovation and not some jackass phone-nerd. Wall Street definitely isn't qualified to judge innovation especially when they want all companies to go after very high market share. Low-cost crap will usually never bring innovation with it. Wall Street favors copycat companies that go after high market share using corner-cutting, low-price tactics. That is just ridiculous to push only that type of product onto consumers.
post #107 of 127

Maybe it's Apple's legacy of Quality, Innovation and Customer Service judiciously cultivated for 35 years?

post #108 of 127
Part of the problem is that samsung releases 20+ models a year. How are you going to get people to stand in line 20 times a year?
post #109 of 127
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I wish Apple would be more like Samsung and make appliances.

If Apple made appliances ...

That reminds me of these beer ads - if Carlsberg made ____ they'd probably be the best ____ in the world:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdo21YrGfn8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P_API6N4oA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjsoZj5FRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCs_VvoIbA0

To do the best of anything needs the best people in a given field. Apple can't be the best at everything and they have demonstrated this. They don't offer the best cloud products, mapping software or creative software. They don't have to be the best at everything either and it can cause a loss in quality when companies lose focus on what they're best at. If Apple was to make a refrigerator, they'd have to hire refrigerator engineers. They have magnet people already for the door and electrical engineers. But they still need to find solutions to problems that exist in current products for them to be worth doing. Problems like how to fit a washing machine into 1/4 the size and do the same job of washing without mechanical movement or even water, perhaps use a microwave-like setup to dislodge dirt particles and a modified air stream to attract them and eject them. LG says they have some magic tech to do this kind of thing:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/lg-confirms-plans-for-magic-waterless-washing-machine

LG has the people/engineers that come up with this. If Apple was to hire engineers capable of this, they'd probably have to hire them from companies that already make the products.
post #110 of 127
Originally Posted by get serious View Post
Maybe it's Apple's legacy of Quality, Innovation and Customer Service judiciously cultivated for 35 years?

 

Nah. :p

 

Welcome, rational user.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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post #111 of 127
There's a video here where they asked people why they were in line:



Most of them didn't really have an answer, some said they were there for a couple of weeks (maybe they thought it would go on sale when the event happened), a lot of them went for the gold model and there were comments about being able to meet nice people and have some fun. See, in an Android line you probably wouldn't meet nice people. Pretty much all the Android people that come here are trying to impose their point of view on others. Apple people look for like-minded people to be nice to, Windows and Android people look for people who think different in order to attack them and tell them why they aren't smart enough to buy the same things they buy.

The other important aspect for Samsung to consider would be why Android people don't camp out rather than why Apple people do. Maybe they should ask their own customers why they can't be bothered queuing for their new products. I suspect they already know that it's because demand doesn't outstrip their supply so it doesn't matter if they queue or not.
post #112 of 127

The funny thing is that even after all that video is edited, after subtitles and/or voice-over translations are added, and after the finished product is shown in various conference rooms, Samsung executives will still have no clue why Apple products create such enthusiasm.

 

Maybe Samsung Broadcasting Center should have interviewed Psy and asked why "Gangnam Style" was such a worldwide hit last year.

 

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post #113 of 127
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I guess you are just to dumb to know that both iOS and Android come from Linux that is a free version of the real thing UNIX. Apple did not make new OS, neither was Google. Read up first if you can.

 

Well, hate to be pedantic, but Apple's iOS is still BSD-based, which has been around longer than Linux.  Linux was started by Linus Tovalds in part to fill the void created by AT&T's lawsuit against BSDi & UC. 

 
Yes, but both are heavily based on FOSS; not created in isolation as some fanboys seem to believe.
post #114 of 127
Who lines up for a bigger spec phone? Oooh ten cores and S-Pen (what?)
post #115 of 127
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Originally Posted by dnd0ps View Post

Lucky-Goldstar. lol.gif

Yeah, I remember when Korean VCRs started taking over the market—you had Samsung on the one hand, and Goldstar and...I want to say "Intertech"—Inter-something—from the Lucky Group on the other. A couple of friends had Goldstars and they would eat about one out of ten tapes you put in them.

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Are you kidding? No.
And yes, I own a LG HDTV. If I knew the HDMI connectivity issues and even the analog VGA syncing issues I would have, I would never have bought it. WORST TV EVER. 

Thanks for the first-hand report.

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I just purchased 2 new TV's in the last 3 weeks I looked at Samsung crap and decided to purchase Vizio I think I purchased a better QUALITY TV.

The other TV I'm looking to upgrade is a Vizio. As an HDTV, it's great, but it's terrible at upconverting standard-def content. Much as I hate to say it, that's where the Samsung excels.
post #116 of 127
Those who are apple fans know its not just hardware in fact it's the software that sells the products. Attention to detail and the family like passion it gives its products to you the user. I laugh at people who just don't know if a brick hit them in the head. Ms sold in bulk and made a serial number to its operating system and once you had it it was hey man I've got a copy of paid software. But you know what it was dos and shit. Os/X will never just be software once it is it will full down the tube like ms did. If you read this and agree then welcome to apple!
post #117 of 127
I think Samsung gave us the answer just by what they did.

You can't figure out why people will line up to buy a product by studying the line. If that is how you approach things you are doomed to fail. The reason there is a line has nothing to do with the line itself. The line is the result of many other things that happened beforehand.
post #118 of 127
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I think Samsung gave us the answer just by what they did.

You can't figure out why people will line up to buy a product by studying the line. If that is how you approach things you are doomed to fail. The reason there is a line has nothing to do with the line itself. The line is the result of many other things that happened beforehand.

The fact that they had to ask is already telling.
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post #119 of 127
Samsung phones are just ugly and the iPhones simply are the luxury brand that most consumers are drawn too. Samsung smartphones/devices just keep getting larger and larger - I don't want a freaking tablet to my ear while I'm talking.
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There's a difference between liking Apple products and being willing to stand in line for 12 hours, or camp out for a couple days just to get the latest device. I've been using Apple products since 84. Over the years I've owned a Mac Plus, Centris 660AV, Tangerine G3 iMac. 17" iMac. Mac Mini, 1st gen iPad, iPod Gen 3, iPod gen 4, iPod Touch 5th gen, and a 6th gen Nano. They were all great products and I'd highly recommend them. I'd have the phone too if it weren't for the bloated service plans.

However, the mania & lines with the release of most every new product, especially phones & iPods, is a bit crazy. It's good marketing for Apple, but it is also sad commentary about the values of society. It's not too unlike people getting injured at Black Friday stampede sales. Hell, at least at the stampede sales there are bargains to be found.
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