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The hinges on my Titanium book and the liquid cooling in my Dual 2.7 GHz G5 PowerMac are actually the only two severe ones I can remember over many years.

Hinges on the TiBook? I only read that the DVD slot would be too narrow on some models. Fortunately mine didn't have any problems whatsoever. Yep, 1st gen, maxed out.
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post #122 of 162

Yeah, this is kinda weird.

 

No Mavericks. No TB2. No USB 3.1 (which was always unlikely.)

 

No return to RAM access on the 21". No improved display (whether Retina or 4K.)

 

The headline tells it all. The 'stars' of this rev are the kinds of under-the-hood spec improvements Apple is usually reluctant to promote to iMac audiences.

 

While I'm certain the specs guarantee an improved experience, I would generally have to agree: this is a phone-it-in update.

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No Mavericks. No TB2. No USB 3.1 (which was always unlikely.)

 

No return to RAM access on the 21". No improved display (whether Retina or 4K.)

 

I can accept all of those for now, even if I would definitely have liked TB2.

 

What annoys me a little bit though is that iMacs with a VESA mount are still completely separate devices. We have to keep distinct spares for positions with regular iMacs and arm- or wall-mounted ones... which is a bit of a drag.

post #124 of 162
The 700 GPUs are hardly any faster and based on the same silicon as 600M, Haswell is hardly any faster, and on the low end there may even be a slight drop with the Iris Pro 5200 in more games than not. But I do hope the 13" pro duo get the Iris Pro.

They should at least start doing Momentus XT hybrid drives as standard, if they are insistent on 5400rpm laptop drives.
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As does the 4S.

 

Thought it did 720. I mean, shoots in 720; it will play 1080 fine.

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Hinges on the TiBook?

 

Oh yeah, that was actually quite a widespread problem with the earlier ones... Even received an own paragraph on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_G4#Quality_issues

post #127 of 162
I guess they must be really focusing the keynote on the new Mac Pro (and mavericks), we might see a minor Mac mini and book in the keynote.

Just wondering when was the last time all macs recieved a moderate upgrade in the same year?
post #128 of 162
I'm quite happy with my current late 2012 iMac so I won't be updating anytime soon, but I know a man who will...
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4K while nice, I just don't see it happening anytime soon for the iMac.  That's a huge amount of pixels, which will require a beefy GPU, and obviously people will complain about NEVER buying a 1st-gen of anything Apple.


I think 4K will be left for the Mac Pro for the near future.  My 27" iMac at home and my 27" LED display at the office (for the MBA) has fantastic resolution and considering the distance the monitors are from my eyes, retina on the desktop for everyday work is more for spec-heads than the joe consumer.

I doubt it will be cheap too...

 

It would make sense that they introduce retina/4K into the cinema display first to accompany the Mac Pro before rolling it out to the iMac sometime next year...

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How do you think the 775M on the new 27" machines compares to the 680MX on the 2012 iMacs? I have a 2012 iMac 27" with the 680MX upgrade on order at B&H for $1849 with no tax, but am considering canceling it and buying a new iMac with the 775M for $1899 + tax with the education discount.

Gaming is fairly important to me but I'm definitely not a hardcore gamer. I mostly play Day of Defeat: Source and CS:GO, but I wouldn't mind having more power to handle newer games.

Either the 680MX or the 775M with slightly-faster CPU would be a huge upgrade from my current machine, an old 24" iMac with the GeForce 8800GS.

I know the 680MX is a pretty substantial upgrade over the 675MX, but I'm just not clear on how the new 775M compares.

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How do you think the 775M on the new 27" machines compares to the 680MX on the 2012 iMacs? I have a 2012 iMac 27" with the 680MX upgrade on order at B&H for $1849 with no tax, but am considering canceling it and buying a new iMac with the 775M for $1899 + tax with the education discount.

Gaming is fairly important to me but I'm definitely not a hardcore gamer. I mostly play Day of Defeat: Source and CS:GO, but I wouldn't mind having more power to handle newer games.

Either the 680MX or the 775M with slightly-faster CPU would be a huge upgrade from my current machine, an old 24" iMac with the GeForce 8800GS.

I know the 680MX is a pretty substantial upgrade over the 675MX, but I'm just not clear on how the new 775M compares.

 

Per GameDebate, you should stick with the 680MX over the 775M:

http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1769&gid2=1290&compare=geforce-gtx-775m-vs-geforce-gtx-680mx

 

I ordered the new iMac with the 780M, which is marginally better than the 680MX, mostly due to twice the RAM:

http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=1290&gid2=1242&compare=geforce-gtx-680mx-vs-geforce-gtx-780m

post #132 of 162
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How do you think the 775M on the new 27" machines compares to the 680MX on the 2012 iMacs? I have a 2012 iMac 27" with the 680MX upgrade on order at B&H for $1849 with no tax, but am considering canceling it and buying a new iMac with the 775M for $1899 + tax with the education discount.

Gaming is fairly important to me but I'm definitely not a hardcore gamer. I mostly play Day of Defeat: Source and CS:GO, but I wouldn't mind having more power to handle newer games.

Either the 680MX or the 775M with slightly-faster CPU would be a huge upgrade from my current machine, an old 24" iMac with the GeForce 8800GS.

I know the 680MX is a pretty substantial upgrade over the 675MX, but I'm just not clear on how the new 775M compares.

 

Well I found the answer to my dilemma.

 
With the announcement of the updated iMacs, there are some great deals on refurbished 2012 iMacs. I bought this:
 
3.4 GHz Intel Core i7
8 GB memory
1 TB Fusion Drive
GeForce 680MX
 
...for $1999 + tax. With AppleCare the total came out to under $2,300.
 
Not bad, I would have paid just over $2,100 for the i5 / 8 GB / 1 TB hard drive (not Fusion) / 680MX plus AppleCare from B&H.
post #133 of 162
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Great. Now where the hell is the MacBook Pro refresh?
Thanks.

 

Soon, I hope Apple will update it till the end of this year.

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Soon, I hope Apple will update it till the end of this year.

 

Yes, it will happen sometime before the end of 2013 according to Apple.

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Apple once again pulling ahead of the "competition". Another nail in the coffin of PCs.

 

I did a quick imac / desktop hackintosh substitute

 

apple.de / store

 

iMac 27  -    2600 eur / 3500 usd

 

3,4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 Prozessor  
16 GB 1600 MHZ DDR3 SDRAM - 2x 8 GB
256 GB Flash-Speicher
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 775M 4 GB GDDR5
Apple Magic Mouse
Apple Wireless Keyboard (Deutsch) & Benutzerhandbuch (Deutsch)
AppleCare Protection Plan für iMac

 

 

Hackintosh 27 Desktop  -  1450 eur / 1950 usd

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 775M 4 GB GDDR5 = AMD HD 7870 ( 150 eur / 200 usd )
3,4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 Prozessor =  Intel Core i5-4670K, 4x 3.40GHz ( 200 eur / 270 usd )
256 GB Flash-Speicher = Samsung SSD 840 Pro Series 256GB ( 200 eur / 270 usd )
16 GB 1600 MHZ DDR3 SDRAM =  Corsair Vengeance Pro  16GB, DDR3-1600  ( 130 eur / 175 usd )
27" Display  IPS-Technologie, Auflösung von 2560 x 1440 Pixeln =  LG 27EA83-D 2560x1440 IPS Wide Gamut ( 650 eur / 875 usd )
motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z77 ( 110 eur / 150 usd )

OSX Mountain Lion ( 18 eur / 25 usd )

+ case/ + power supply

 

What do you think?


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post #136 of 162
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They didn’t even update its own product page. :???:

This is perhaps a good thing. I say it in the sense that Apple is walking away from the classic update pattern to something more flexible, hopefully having as goal to silently update their computers with newer components, even minor, without making a fuss about it. This is something people were looking for since a long time; just put the new parts in, when available, without waiting for a significant update, which would warrant organizing a special event about it.

post #137 of 162
It is... You just get a default discount by not modding your BTO to include it. 1smile.gif
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Such a shame that the Fusion drive is not standard.
post #138 of 162
Can I use the iMac 21,5 (1299,00) as a Display? I want to buy the new model first, and then, next year I want to buy the new Mac Pro. When I can use the iMac then as a display I dont have to spend another 999,00 for a Thunderbolt Display and 21,5" is enough for me. Please help, because nobody can tell me if it will work...Thank you
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Can I use the iMac 21,5 (1299,00) as a Display? I want to buy the new model first, and then, next year I want to buy the new Mac Pro. When I can use the iMac then as a display I dont have to spend another 999,00 for a Thunderbolt Display and 21,5" is enough for me. Please help, because nobody can tell me if it will work...Thank you

I know you can with the 27":
http://www.ehow.com/how_6662068_use-imac-monitor.html

It looks like they've added Target Display Mode to the newest models for the 21", as well:
http://www.apple.com/imac/specs/

In any event, search for 'target display mode' to find out for sure.
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Originally Posted by PB View Post
This is perhaps a good thing. I say it in the sense that Apple is walking away from the classic update pattern to something more flexible, hopefully having as goal to silently update their computers with newer components, even minor, without making a fuss about it. This is something people were looking for since a long time; just put the new parts in, when available, without waiting for a significant update, which would warrant organizing a special event about it.

 

Interesting, but they retain value because of how they’ve been updating, not this way. 

 

You’ll see value( what’s a stronger word than plummet?) if this happens.

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I'd like to see some different screen sizes. I find 21.5" a little too small and 27" much too large.

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I'd like to see some different screen sizes. I find 21.5" a little too small and 27" much too large.

 

There used to be a 24" but it was replaced by the 27.

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``Nvidia GeForce GTX 780M''

It once again tells me Apple is only serious about OpenCL on their truly Pro machines.

Nvidia OpenCL is absolute garbage.

 

And yet, Anandtech is reporting the Iris Pro OpenCL performance (which is what's going into the lowest-end iMacs) is pretty good: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/17

 

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They should at least start doing Momentus XT hybrid drives as standard, if they are insistent on 5400rpm laptop drives.

 

Check the IO throughput of the current crop of 5400 rpm drives against the previous generation 7200 rpm drives.  You might be surprised.

 

FWIW, I temporarily put a Momentus XT hybrid drive in my son's Alienware gaming PC and was underwhelmed with the real-world performance.  "5 times faster", my arse, it's too easy to swamp the SSD "cache".  It's nothing compared to the DIY Fusion drive I put in one of my Mac minis.  And, as of today, the Momentus XT still only comes in the 2.5" form factor.

 

What I'd really like to see are benchmarks comparing the previous Fusion drives and the new PCIe Fusion drives.


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post #144 of 162
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Well I found the answer to my dilemma.

 
With the announcement of the updated iMacs, there are some great deals on refurbished 2012 iMacs. I bought this:
 
3.4 GHz Intel Core i7
8 GB memory
1 TB Fusion Drive
GeForce 680MX
 
...for $1999 + tax. With AppleCare the total came out to under $2,300.
 
Not bad, I would have paid just over $2,100 for the i5 / 8 GB / 1 TB hard drive (not Fusion) / 680MX plus AppleCare from B&H.

 

Looking at the benches on the new 7XX chip in the iMac...there's not much in it from the 680MX at all.

 

If you can get a refurb, go for it.  I have 'last' or 'this' year's top of the line iMac.  It's fast.

 

The new(!) iMac is a nominal speed bump.  And the prices for integrated graphics on the opening model?  Greedy.

 

I think we'll see 'nominal' upgrades until it goes retina.

 

The faster Fusion options are a highlight in terms of the PCIe SSD?  That's about the best thing on this upgrade from what I can see.

 

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

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There used to be a 24" but it was replaced by the 27.

 

Typical Apple here.

 

24 inch was a nice option.  It should have been the model that broke the 1k barrier.  But they're still rinsing the supply chain with the cheap as chips 21 inch monitor.

 

I had the 24 inch previous top of the line when it had the Core 2 Duo and 8800GS.  Good machine.  Decent monitor.

 

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And yet, Anandtech is reporting the Iris Pro OpenCL performance (which is what's going into the lowest-end iMacs) is pretty good: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/17

 

 

What I'd really like to see are benchmarks comparing the previous Fusion drives and the new PCIe Fusion drives.

The new Fusions are looking very decent.  With a decent boost.

 

In some benches the 'Iris' is showing better than the 650.

 

It wasn't long ago Apple was charging £675 for an iMac with integrated crappics.  Then it was £999.  Now it's £1149.

 

I don't see how that is progress for the consumer.  

 

Iris is better than previous Intel Integrated crappics.  It would have to go some to get any worse than it was.

 

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post #147 of 162

Does anyone know whether these things support 4K externally?  Haswell is supposed to use the Redwood Ridge controller, which while still offering Thunderbolt at 10Gbps bidirectionally, updates the Display port to 1.2.  

 

Thunderbolt 2 supports both 20Gbps bidirectionally AND Displayport 1.2 (4K).

 

Displayport 1.1a maxes out at 2560x1600

 

iFixit's teardown suggests that they've kept the same part as used in the ivy bridge controller, in which case no external 4K either.

 

4K is coming down to consumer prices in the next two years, and the high-end iMac is expensive enough that it should run it on an external monitor, even if a 4K display is too expensive to spec internally at the moment.

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My humble opinion: 1wink.gif This is without questions the most sexy desktop computer on the market when it comes to design. Only competition comes from Vizio with a very similar look (But like Jobs said "Good artists copy great artists steal" The screen is amazing even if I would love see a 30" version. Regarding 4K screen I think that would be to expensive for next 12 months. Haswell I don't think add that much to a desktop computer in performce. And it's M mobile version of graphic card and 780M is about 20% faster that 680M? Most PC or Windows machines sit with ugly box but they don't use mobile versions and have 2x performance to us so in gaming we still far after.

Even if I love my Air with Haswell I have big hopes for the Macbook Pro! I think there can happen much more than in any other upgrade in the Apple world since Retina.
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The new Fusions are looking very decent.  With a decent boost.

In some benches the 'Iris' is showing better than the 650.

It wasn't long ago Apple was charging £675 for an iMac with integrated crappics.  Then it was £999.  Now it's £1149.

I don't see how that is progress for the consumer.  

Iris is better than previous Intel Integrated crappics.  It would have to go some to get any worse than it was.

Lemon Bon Bon.

I thought Iris Pro was exclusive to the Haswell mobile processors though the base model iMac proved me wrong. I feel though the reason they went with Iris Pro over the 740M is because the 740M was not felt to be a massive improvement over the 640M from last year. I mean what would you have wanted to pay if they offered a 1 GB 740M option over the Iris Pro in the base model iMac or should it have been standard?
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Sorry if this has been posted but I was getting distracted by a persistent buzzzzzzing in the thread:

 

Has anybody seen benchmarks for the new machines?

 

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post #152 of 162

I haven't seen any posted.  I guess they tear them down before they test them at iFixit!

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ArsTechnica has a review with benchmarks
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I was a bit concerned when it said, same flaws in the ArsTechnica review but after reading I agree a lot with him. Hopefully next year we see SSDs as standard in the new iMacs.
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ArsTechnica has a review with benchmarks

 

Unfortunately, it's of the base 21" model.  I'd like to see a review of at least the base 27" model.  Hopefully *someone* will get a 27" BTO with the 780M in it, and will post an in-depth review.

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Unfortunately, it's of the base 21" model.  I'd like to see a review of at least the base 27" model.  Hopefully *someone* will get a 27" BTO with the 780M in it, and will post an in-depth review.

Don't know if it will answer any of your questions but here's one:
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/apple-imac-2013/4505-3118_7-35827456.html
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Unfortunately, it's of the base 21" model.  I'd like to see a review of at least the base 27" model.  Hopefully *someone* will get a 27" BTO with the 780M in it, and will post an in-depth review.

 

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Don't know if it will answer any of your questions but here's one:
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/apple-imac-2013/4505-3118_7-35827456.html

 

That one's not BTO.  It the top baseline model.  I don't really need any questions answered, as I've already dropped my coin and am awaiting delivery.  I'm just fixating now...

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That one's not BTO.  It the top baseline model.  I don't really need any questions answered, as I've already dropped my coin and am awaiting delivery.  I'm just fixating now...

 

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My iMac is scheduled to arrive tomorrow.  Since tomorrow is also my 14 wedding anniversary, I probably won't give be able to give it *too* much attention.  At least not if I want to make it to my 15th.  Thursday, how...

 

In the meantime, this is the only review I've found so far that has a review of a BTO iMac:

 

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-imac-27-inch-2013-review-30299611/

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