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post #41 of 84
Wouldn't it be a crackup if you could run Windows 8 on that?
post #42 of 84

Sounds great! I'll take a 12" gold iPad to go, please. Hopefully it includes iOS 8, with a whole new look, because iOS 7 is ugly as sin.

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post #43 of 84
They have the 13" screens, may as well.
There was a rumour some time back that they had a MacBook running on an Apple A chip and that it was running ok.
Assuming that was right, with the increased output of the new A chips, maybe it could run OSX in a reasonable fashion.
Count me in either way. I'll take a mini and a maxi.
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Add a pressure sensitive pen and I'll be all over it.

 

An accurate pressure sensitive pen and a 10ms refresh rate so when you draw, it doesn't lag like it does now. That would be awesome.

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If this trend continues, after a few years we will have the iPad Surface - the Surface that Microsoft originally envisaged - the table touch screen tablet!

Microsoft will get all worked-up and try to release the original Surface, marketing it as 'the first one'.

A week after the announcement, they announce a buy back program for the iPad table tablet for Microsoft Store gift cards.
post #47 of 84
The Ideal World shopping channel in the UK have already started selling 13" android tablets for £199. They looked absolutely huge and the presenters couldn't hold them comfortably to use, but they sold out within minutes.
post #48 of 84
I'm hearing the black iPad will be 12 inches, the white iPad will be 6 inches, and the gold iPad will be 3 inches...

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And unlike pessimistic mdriftmeyer, I think...

Realistic, you mean.
post #50 of 84
You have your dimensions wrong, with the larger screen it would be ideal for Designers, Architects, Artists.. so it would be 16-9 ratio,
not squared. Also with the narrower bezel it will only be slightly bigger over-all.

Here's a place to checkout screen-sizes: http://www.displaywars.com/9,7-inch-4x3-vs-12-inch-16x9

These images don't show widescreen but the Wacom does 2nd in view.

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post #51 of 84

Get your @3x UI resources ready guys. A 12" iPad will surely have a 3072x2304 display to ensure it meets all reasonable expectations of being retina.

 

(PS: When I post a comment and get asked to log in (the pop up) the post gets lost and not posted.)

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Will it require a 17W adapter?
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Oh no's that would mean another screen size to complicate the lives of developers. I mean that's the line yammered over and over when a larger iPhone is discussed.

 

HiDPI with Scalable Vector Graphics and the GPGPU to convert SVG/EPS/PS files to PNG/JPEG2000/TIFF is not a problem. This would require a Quad Core A7 and say 6 Cores for the PowerVR6 GPGPU but I would happily drop down $699-$799 for the 32GB WiFi model as the base line with it optioning to buy up to 128GB model.

 

It would be an ideal complement for the Macbook Pro/Mac Pro/iMac professional who could use the resources on their primary machine as a Distributed Objects machine to extend GCD for processing needs, thus making distributed computing of the '90s present in the 2010s.

post #54 of 84
I've been using my iPad more and more and have often thought having a second iPad would be worth it. One to used to reference documents and the other to work on. I use Omni Graffle on my Mac quite a bit and have considered purchasing it for my iPad, but decided against it due to the small screen size. If Apple produces a 12" iPad, I'm buying it.
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Realistic, you mean.

 

I must be showing my stripes with working at NeXT and Apple, but anyone who thinks the 12" iPad is the NeXT beast of its day never worked in Silicon Valley.

 

This device, coupled in a Distribute Objects/GCD environment that has managed services to distribute processing within an available local network of available systems could truly allow for a more productive/creative workflow to compliment the present `consumption' environment that is the present iPad/iPhone embedded space.

 

Knowing Steve, it would have been his logical extension for the iPad that finally provides a true extension for producers [there are producers and consumers in the world] in their day-to-day workflow in all business sectors.

 

Whether it be for Medical Scans, Engineering in all manner of modeling, to Mathematical Analysis, to Data Mining modeling, etc., a much more robust system that compliments a more powerful laptop/desktop/workstation is something Steve would have envisioned.

 

Steve would never have envisioned this device as a replacement to your interconnected life, but an extension of it.

It's too bad he never wrote his true memoirs. My memories of his `pep speeches' about how NeXT would reinvent Apple are as crystal as the day he gave them.

post #56 of 84

You put out a 13 inch  (and eventually a 15 inch iPad...) and smell the coffee.

 

No accident that Tim called the 'A7' a 'Desktop class' cpu...and with Rogue GPU?  It's a beach head.  A landmark release.

 

Stick one on your desk?  It's a desktop replacement.  iOS style.  (Dock your wireless keyboard...)

 

Put one on your lap while you cruise your sofa?  It's a laptop.  iOS style.  (Use your 'Ja Ja' pen...or your finger. :P )

 

God I hope so.

 

For artists everywhere?  Rejoice.  A Mac you can finally 'draw' and 'paint' on without feeling cramped.  I bought the 9-ish inch iPad and just felt cramped.

 

I'd be all over a 13 (and a 15 inch version...)  Imagine that with a nice stand on a desk?  Svelte.

 

If you can't see this coming?  Open your eyes.

 

Just a matter of when.  Same with a bigger 'iPhone.'  (4.8 to 5+ inches next year.)

 

*thinks about the transition from Apple II to Mac...

 

When I compare 'Procreate' to Painter 'X3', you can see which way the wind is blowing.  Free iOS iWorks apps or bloated MS 'Waffly Word?'  Less bloated, more bang for the buck.  More nimble...faster, responsive software.  Smaller code footprint.

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #57 of 84

Owner of an iPad 3 by the way.

 

Edges are too sharp.

 

It's too heavy.

 

It's not powerful enough.

 

It's screen isn't large enough by a good 3 more inches.

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #58 of 84

if the screen can fold in half its game over

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I must be showing my stripes with working at NeXT and Apple, but anyone who thinks the 12" iPad is the NeXT beast of its day never worked in Silicon Valley.

This device, coupled in a Distribute Objects/GCD environment that has managed services to distribute processing within an available local network of available systems could truly allow for a more productive/creative workflow to compliment the present `consumption' environment that is the present iPad/iPhone embedded space.

Knowing Steve, it would have been his logical extension for the iPad that finally provides a true extension for producers [there are producers and consumers in the world] in their day-to-day workflow in all business sectors.

Whether it be for Medical Scans, Engineering in all manner of modeling, to Mathematical Analysis, to Data Mining modeling, etc., a much more robust system that compliments a more powerful laptop/desktop/workstation is something Steve would have envisioned.

Steve would never have envisioned this device as a replacement to your interconnected life, but an extension of it.


It's too bad he never wrote his true memoirs. My memories of his `pep speeches' about how NeXT would reinvent Apple are as crystal as the day he gave them.

That's the spirit!

Please, please, write those memories down, while they're still fresh. They don't have to be perfect, just give your sense of what was happening. This comes from someone who is also working with a visionary (in a very different field), and who is now painfully aware of how much historical info we've tossed over the years (for plenty of very good and pragmatic reasons--that now all sound a bit silly).
post #60 of 84

I hope the phone doesn't get bigger, I can barely operate my phone with one hand now (5s).  I do want the iPad to get bigger.  My observation is the iPad has become the travel partner, the couch companion, and the mobile portal.  The mini's for people who shove them in purses, the maxi's for the rest of us.  The two are too close in size now, they need to separate.

 

My personal belief is the big phone android people don't buy phones+tablets.  They try to compromise in-between.

post #61 of 84

at 12" thats 1.5x what a purported 8" Mini RD would be… 

 

12" works well if you look at pixel density…

 

2x the iPad4 resolution on a 11.8" is 217ppi.  

That's almost the same  as 15" retina MBP and only 10ppi less than a 13"

That makes for the 'reasonable' transition size for a 4:3.

and it's also 1.5x the size of the iPhone 5 screen ratio, if they decide to go more 16:9 for the 12" (personal media device)

 

Either way it makes for a simple multiplier for transitional graphics.

 

As for any other size and functionality (keyboards etc), I think 

- 12" is still within the briefcase/folder space dimensions

- 12" aligns with it's current keyboard size

 

And long term transition to a 'laptop'  or 15" and 17" tablets, I don't think that will be the plan… My guess is  if they sell a 12" Tablet, the 11" MBA will go away, and the first ARM based 'laptop' will be dual boot (and/or a 'OSX' VM)  Product overlap makes for customer confusion. 

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I've been saying all along that I could see an iPad Pro - which would be an iPad in a notebook format. Sort of like Surface RT, but done right.
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Will it require a 17W adapter?

Good catch. That sounds about right.
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post #63 of 84
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I've been saying all along that I could see an iPad Pro - which would be an iPad in a notebook format. Sort of like Surface RT, but done right.
Good catch. That sounds about right.

 

17W does sound right.

 

I have a hard time with a note/book/keyboard format.  confusion in the eye of consumers between of MBA vs iPad 12.   But a keyboard 'folio' makes more sense (now that apple is fully engaging iPhone covers and smart covers on iPads).

post #64 of 84

Guys and Gals.   A larger than 10" iPad is as inevitable as the iPad mini was. 

 

It will not run OS X.  That's what MacBooks are for. 

 

Target markets would be 

 

Media Creators - Photography, Video, Music, Drawing and Painting 

Business - Presentations,  Point of Sale, Kiosks, Real Estate 

Home -  laptop replacement,  gaming system,  Home Control

and much more 

 

By going larger Apple gets to use future beefier ARM cores (A5x and beyond).  I could see a larger iPad being more of a 

desktop device than the current iPads.   Retina viewing distance would be likely beyond a foot. 

 

I could see a pressure sensitive stylus API coming directly from Apple to aid DCC artists. 

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post #65 of 84
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17W does sound right.

I have a hard time with a note/book/keyboard format.  confusion in the eye of consumers between of MBA vs iPad 12.   But a keyboard 'folio' makes more sense (now that apple is fully engaging iPhone covers and smart covers on iPads).

I'm not sure what you mean by 'folio'. To me, it's the same thing. Keyboard attached to display. Whether you call it a notebook or a folio, it's the same thing. I wouldn't expect it to look exactly the same as the MBA since they would take design cues from the iPad rather than their existing laptops, but the essential elements would be the same.

I don't think it will be that hard to avoid confusion. Simply calling it an iPad Pro tells people that it's an iPad.
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post #66 of 84
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I must be showing my stripes with working at NeXT and Apple, but anyone who thinks the 12" iPad is the NeXT beast of its day never worked in Silicon Valley.

Certainly seem to have earned them!
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This device, coupled in a Distribute Objects/GCD environment that has managed services to distribute processing within an available local network of available systems could truly allow for a more productive/creative workflow to compliment the present `consumption' environment that is the present iPad/iPhone embedded space.

That would be way cool, use iPads as 'terminals' and have the trucks doing the heavy lifting.
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Knowing Steve, it would have been his logical extension for the iPad that finally provides a true extension for producers [there are producers and consumers in the world] in their day-to-day workflow in all business sectors.

Whether it be for Medical Scans, Engineering in all manner of modeling, to Mathematical Analysis, to Data Mining modeling, etc., a much more robust system that compliments a more powerful laptop/desktop/workstation is something Steve would have envisioned.

Steve would never have envisioned this device as a replacement to your interconnected life, but an extension of it.

The more I read about him, the more I understand it all - making sense of it all.
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It's too bad he never wrote his true memoirs. My memories of his `pep speeches' about how NeXT would reinvent Apple are as crystal as the day he gave them.

Amen.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

It's too bad he never wrote his true memoirs. My memories of his `pep speeches' about how NeXT would reinvent Apple are as crystal as the day he gave them.

Originally Posted by Jaker's Ugly Brother View Post
Please, please, write those memories down, while they're still fresh. They don't have to be perfect, just give your sense of what was happening. This comes from someone who is also working with a visionary (in a very different field), and who is now painfully aware of how much historical info we've tossed over the years (for plenty of very good and pragmatic reasons--that now all sound a bit silly).

 

Yes, transcribe, transcribe!

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post #68 of 84
They would have to find a way to make it lighter, because the current machine, at 1.46 pounds, does get tiring to hold.
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They would have to find a way to make it lighter, because the current machine, at 1.46 pounds, does get tiring to hold.

Disclaimer: I wouldn’t ingest this stuff if you paid me, but hey, some people say it works or whatever. Anyway, a pound and a half is namby pamby territory.

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post #70 of 84

I know where this is going...

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I know where this is going...

 

I always liked that picture. At least it was creative Photoshoppery.

 

On that note, multitouch is the future of all computing. A 15” iPad at my arm and a 42” touchscreen computer (not Macintosh; that’s keyboard and mouse) at home, managing the house, being my source of heavy power, and doing what the portable can’t due to power and size.

 

On an unrelated note, I wonder how Adobe feels about being permanently associated with lies.

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post #72 of 84

Finally Apple is planning for large ipad.  I'm waiting for this for a long time.  Hope it can run MacOSX too.

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Hope it can run MacOSX too.

 

Not gonna happen. OS XI, though? I’d be surprised if the 12” and 15” iPads didn’t.

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Yes, transcribe, transcribe!

 

One example was in NeXT Headquarters Bldg, 1., with Steve and Avi coming in to explain how asinine Gil Amelio and the rest of the Executive Team [not all but most: you can surmise which people Steve liked and which ones had to go] vision for Apple moving forward would entail by mocking the very internal code name of OS X: Rhapsody. Picture Steve in a turtleneck, NBs on his feet and 501s holding a fresh cup of tea from the kitchen at NeXT exaggerating with his hands as he wistfully expresses the code name: `Rhapppsody.'

He hated it. Avi hated it but it was already there and they had more important stuff to fix.

 

He went on to discuss a vision for the enterprise that never materialized because the consumer space was not stable: He envisioned 32 core servers stomping the crap out of the competition from the consumer to the enterprise: In short, using n-tier computing with Distributed Objects which they call `The Cloud' today.

 

He expected us all from NeXT to make it happen as he already knew what could be accomplished from our teams. He then discussed how we were going to be left alone, do our present legacy work and move forward, while he and a few lieutenants would go around and start point blank asking people what they do for Apple. It was the beginning of the reinvention of Apple.

 

Apple had an internal server for anonymous griping via the web for everyone to read. Personally, I thought it was a chicken **** means of pampering egos and not resolving conflict.

The day Steve announced the cancellation of vendors for Espresso, Lattes, etc., the list went irate. What they didn't know is he planned a few days later to introduce a new vision for the amenities and it included those beverages for free with an entirely reinvented food menu to cover anyone's diets.


The day he cut Sabbaticals was another classic where so many `anonymous' thoughts were proclaiming it was the only reason they still remained at Apple. That prompted Steve to tell them to not let the door hit them in the ass on the way out because Apple needed focus and anyone not interested should leave now. We had roughly 3 months of working capital left and no time to see 1/3rd of the entire staff leave for up to 12 week sabbaticals.

 

The bitching between Red Box and Blue Box, to Yellow Box being a distraction and not helping us grow our base while allowing every excuse for users to stay on Windows was another round of heated debates. History shows what won.

Walking through the amount of office space dedicated to the 26 marketing teams was effing retarded. Those folks weren't too happy to be cut loose after the consolidation into a single focused team.

 

Having Motley Crue visit to kick of their Generation Swine Tour in the main courtyard and talking to Mick, Nikki, Vince and Tommy was a hoot. I asked them what was the reason for showing up and they all pointed to Tommy Lee. He was a huge fan of Apple and they became big fans as well.

 

The Day we all were driven over to DeAnza College and he unveiled the iMac was a big freaking deal. It was the same day the naysayers at work finally bought in.

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Love it, and it’s as primary a source as can be had!

 

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He went on to discuss a vision for the enterprise that never materialized because the consumer space was not stable: He envisioned 32 core servers stomping the crap out of the competition from the consumer to the enterprise: In short, using n-tier computing with Distributed Objects which they call `The Cloud' today.

 

So was Steve one of the first to come up with this idea (not necessarily the specs of everything, but the structure), or had he heard it and immediately seen its potential, latching on?

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The day Steve announced the cancellation of vendors for Espresso, Lattes, etc., the list went irate. What they didn't know is he planned a few days later to introduce a new vision for the amenities and it included those beverages for free with an entirely reinvented food menu to cover anyone's diets.

Hahaha, I went through a day like that. Our CEO threw out our decades-old percolators. Just had them thrown in the trash and taken away. Same idea: bring in shiny new drip coffee makers the next day, as a thank-you gesture to the troops. But during that one coffee-less day, I honestly think there might have been a riot. Had he not been off schmoozing for a new round of funding, I don't think that our dear leader would have made it out of the building in one piece.

 

Seriously, you don't mess with someone's caffeine supply without giving them lots of advance warning. Or, better yet, Just. Don't. Do. It.

 

You know, I really miss perk coffee. The smell, it goes through the whole building, nothing beats it on a cold morning. And the taste, more burned, bitter, not as oily as fancy coffee. Good, solid, reliable. Like the Midwest in a cup.

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Love it, and it’s as primary a source as can be had!

 

 

So was Steve one of the first to come up with this idea (not necessarily the specs of everything, but the structure), or had he heard it and immediately seen its potential, latching on?

 

NeXT, in general, with Portable Distributed Objects and Distributed Objects built into NeXTSTEP from the beginning with a rich Services environment [still not very impressed with what OS X Services do between vendors] had 3rd parties working in conjunction with one another and building tiers of capabilities.

The Cloud movement is just a more open spec'd solution to Client-Server systems in a manner that integrates the Web Interfaces for many redundant services that native apps will always do better.

 

Steve always approached it from the Consumer space, where the original Client-Sever approach preferred the enterprise/business back end. In a sense, the Cloud world is taking Steve's consumer focus and using the Web interfaces where disparate platforms don't communicate.

 

It's not a best of breed solution, just a best of a mixed-breed of solutions.

 

Google's Web App future will never win out. Performance will always be king. Native iOS/OSX Cocoa based apps with WebKit for the overlap will force Google to keep Android around. If they truly want to write in PNaCL crap they are working on then they should cancel Android's VM and see how it works out. Like most of Google's lab experiments, eventually they get scrapped.

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So true about Google!
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The iMac can't get any thinner, but it can get more portable. It's the natural evolution of the iMac.

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The iMac can't get any thinner

Sure it can. They can put the computer in the stand. It's not like they haven't done it before:


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