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 I just wish Apple had some more innovation left than to just add a different color to their phones or an old technology like fingerprint security.

 

Not sure why the Apple folks get so fired up about something meaningless like color. 

 

The first statement is one that is made allot and annoys me. The major changes, besides the fingerprint scanner, is the A7 itself, Motion Coprocessor, 64 bit architecture, OpenGL and iOS7. All of it combined sets Apple on a path that again changes what a smartphone (and I imagine the tablet) is capable of doing.  Again, while Fingerprint scanning technology is not new, the engineering and method used, in the speed and time frame its done, as well as the ability to use any part of the finger, is unprecedented in a smartphone. 

 

The innovation comments, in regard to the smartphone is what bothers me. Apple turned the smartphone makers and industry on its head. Are you asking them to totally revolutionize what we all know and use as a smartphone every year? All the other smart phone players have since copied the formula and arguably caught up somewhat. While Apple might copy/borrow ideas from android and vice vera, on the software level (which many have argued shouldn't really be patented items by any party), Apple is the ONLY company that innovates on a hardware level time and time again. They are the first to adopt new technology and architecture in their devices and work to get the most out of the hardware given the size of the device;  Screen, memory, processor speed (cpu & gpu), battery life, wireless, bluetooth,  etc.  Android and windows device makers are always steps  behind Apple in this regard and never are the 1st to innovate anything hardware wise that gets put in said devices. After apple does the legwork they quickly try and copy and throw more specs in a device to compensate, then an Apple refresh and the cycle continues. 64bit is a huge step despite the pundits and its what is going to push Apple as the defacto in the business community as well as gaming community. Transition to 64bit by iPhone developers, over the next 12 months or less will also result in better performance, battery life etc going forward. I'm sure this will be a stepping stone to allow Apple to then refine the iPhone yet again.  Lets not forget that the Closed Ecosystem and vertical integration of Hardware and software of Apple is going to allow Apple to create these shifts much faster and greater then any competitor. 

 

But... lets make one thing clear. Apple already innovated the Smartphone with the original iPhone doing things with hardware others never considered. Apple has innovated across many sectors over the years: all in one computer - iMac, Thinnest notebook - Macbook Air, Smart Phone - iPhone,  Tablet - iPad. Music - iPod, etc. The pace at which Apple has innovated all of those sectors is astounding and doing so with all the nay Sayers saying their ideas will never be mainstream. How easy we forget.  Let me ask you a question, How much more Innovation can one squeeze out of the smartphone? The innovation happened the day it was released. The only other innovating thing that can happen is if the concept of a smart phone became something else entirely. 

 

Incremental enhancements I understand but Innovating, like it has done with the aforementioned devices, among many others, doesn't come annually. No company has ever innovated to the degree that apple has done, in the short span of time in which it has done it. We know Apple is working on other "things" to be released. This "could" include a brand new sector. We know they are eyeing TV and other areas, like wearable technology. Innovation will come but will be solving a different problem or changing the way we interact with another device or hardware. But, when that happens, someone will quickly jump up and say "What has Apple done lately". 

post #122 of 225
Samsung is not a copycat, they simply borrow ideas. I wonder when they will release their new flat UI design.
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I'm sure it's purely coincidental, just like their S-Voice and 64-bit processor announcement.


edit: I just got word Samsung will one-up Apple's 64-bit A7 by offering a 65-bit processor in the S5.

Agreed but they at least waited until releasing a new device before incorporating S voice, and have to wait at least 9 months before they put a 64 bit processor in the SGS 5 but this is a "stop the press, let's copy Apple" move.
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post #124 of 225
Gold is a gaudy and ugly color to begin with. No one will believe it's actual gold because it's plastic. Now the iphone 5S....
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I just wish Apple had some more innovation left than to just add a different color to their phones or an old technology like fingerprint security.

So you ignore all the mother changes they made with the 5S in HW and SW? Aren't you reasonable. /s

Saying Apple's new convenience option that allows some security to the 50% or more of users that don't want to bother with a PIN is the same old fingerprint biometric you've seen for decades then I guess you claim that Apple is pathetic and lacks innovation for still using displays or processors, or worse, one and zeros. I bet you expect Apple's A8 to be 128-bit or you'll claim Apple is doomed.
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The innovation and advances that both brands show only makes for better products for all of us. And yes, Android, Samsung and others innovate and push Apple to try harder.

Funny how you didn't say Apple pushes other to work harder. Bias, much?
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Samsung is not a copycat, they simply borrow ideas. I wonder when they will release their new flat UI design.

You meant "steal" ideas. If this was written text, they'd be guilty of plagiarism.
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No, because they don't buy the brand, they just buy a commodity. What label is on it is immaterial. The salesperson told them "it's just as good as an iPhone and it's cheaper and has a bigger screen." Samsung, the choice of indiscriminate buyers.

 

In my case, you're not entirely off the mark, but not entirely on it either.  I *do* look at my phone as a piece of consumer electronics- more or less a commodity.  That's how I looked at my iPhone (at the time, it was the best phone on the market for me) and how I look at my current Android phone.  I generally don't place a whole lot of my value as a person in what type of car I drive (although its a nice one) nor what type of phone I use (although that's a nice one too).

 
Call me crazy for not going into Best Buy and complaining that all the flat screen TV's look more or less the same nor getting upset that they all have the power buttons in more or less the same place.  I also don't complain that one car manufacturer copied another and actually put *rubber* tires on their cars copying the other manufacturers.
 
I just really don't see anything all that amazing about the iPhones.  If you take all the technology out of them that Apple didn't invent there would barely be a product left.  I *do* think Apple builds great products and has a great sense of taste and just brilliantly markets their products.  I don't think that just because Apple used gold in their phone nobody else should be allowed to use it in their phones.  Or they could trade... since Samsung built black and grey phones way before Apple even made phones, Apple shouldn't have copied them and should build *only* gold phones and nobody else can then use gold.  Fair is fair, right?
 
I love tech and for now my Android phone fits my needs far better than Apple's offering.  If Apple builds a bigger screen, allows widgets, and allows third party keyboards or at least copies some of the Android offerings to get rid of their stone age one I'd take another look.  Without those I'll choose Android because it is better for *me* (not for everyone)- not because some hapless salesmen duped me into it, but because I looked at all the offerings pretty carefully (including Apples) and chose the best one for me.
post #129 of 225
If Samsung are trying to make themselves impossible to parody, they just nailed it.

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So... Samsung interviewed hundreds of people standing in line for the new iPhone as to why they were there... and their takeaway was that Samsung needed to produce a gold plastic phone.

 

Right.

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I wish they would copy some of the things that Samsung does or as you seem to think they just need to copy themselves. Would love for Apple to copy Apple on:

1. Larger screen options

Will probably happen eventually when they can do so without quality sacrifices. Cook already said as much.

That is in contrast to Samsung crapware. There was a review in my paper this morning from a normally Samsung-friendly writer who panned the new 6.3" Samsung phone. Not only was the device so large that it's clumsy and hard to use, but the screen quality stinks. Apple doesn't sell crap. When they can make a larger phone without sacrifice, they will - but I expect it will be 4.3 to 4.5", not 5 or 6 or 6.3".
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2. Removable battery

Not going to happen. There are too many tradeoffs. Replaceable batteries make the entire phone more fragile and waste huge mounts of space. They also create a problem area that creates dissatisfaction.

Now, I can understand that if your OS is so bad that you need a quad core 2+ GHz processor in order to make it usable that you might want to swap batteries, but it's not worth the sacrifice for most iPhone users. If you're one of the few who really needs more battery life, get a battery case.
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3. Non-proprietary cables ($3 versus $30)

Not going to happen. $3 cables are crap.
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4. Live tile / widget updates (Android feature that is awesome - Google Now rocks on Android phones and it alone is worth the switch)

No real value. It's a gimmick that doesn't do anything useful.
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5. Automatic updates of apps. (Oh... scratch that. Apple followed Androids lead here )

I don't know who followed who, but it's certainly more practical with iOS when you don't have to worry about every other app being malware.
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post #132 of 225
I've given Samsung a pass on prior copying for the sake of competition in the marketplace...but this...this takes the cake.

Releasing a gold casing immediately after the iPhone 5s gold case shortage / popularity "oh yea we have 64bit chips coming soon too!" makes me want to puke.

Their hardware has no soul. Their keynotes show that.
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I wish they would copy some of the things that Samsung does or as you seem to think they just need to copy themselves. Would love for Apple to copy Apple on:

1. Larger screen options
2. Removable battery
3. Non-proprietary cables ($3 versus $30)
4. Live tile / widget updates (Android feature that is awesome - Google Now rocks on Android phones and it alone is worth the switch)
5. Automatic updates of apps. (Oh... scratch that. Apple followed Androids lead here )

Speaking of copying, I just updated my iPad and wow, does it now look like the latest version of Android or what? Actually a huge improvement since IOS was looking dated compared to other devices and platforms out there. Unfortunately it didn't go far enough in my opinion.

Look folks, both sides take elements from each other and as customers we enjoy the benefit of this. Imagine if nobody was pushing Apple or any of the many Android manufacturers (or Google) what we would have. Innovation and taking what the other has done and making it better is what Apple (and others) are all about and I'm all for it. Apple didn't invent any of this stuff. They just took what others had done and made it better.

Having said all of this, I'm an Apple shareholder because I love the products they create and they have a loyal following. Could they be even better? Yes. What drives me nuts though and why a lot of people won't buy Apple products is because of the sheep and Apple lovers that think that Apple can do no wrong and they blab to whoever will listen and every other product is the enemy. It's not a very likable trait and it's not the majority but it's a very loud minority that I'm sure won't change.

In that case, I wish Samsung would copy Apple on:

1. Device being idealized for the average pocket.
2. All day battery life and an OS that doesn't require the replacement or swapping of a battery for normal operation.
3. Access ports that are multi-use and encourage a thriving accessories market.
4. Useful apps with a fantastic SDK, frameworks and APIs that maximize developer efficiency while increasing user satisfaction and productivity (I dislike how the clock icon now has the correct time with a moving second hand. Regardless of the amount of battery life this "live" icon uses it's not useful.)
5. Yes, when it was feasible and complete thy implemented it, not before, just like with cut/copy/paste which is still inconsistent in Android.
post #134 of 225
Wait till the dual-LED flash debuts on Samsung device(s).

Samsung knocked on the doors of the same Apple's 'True Tone' LED flash to ask for the same component. However, Apple has secured exclusivity and hence Samsung gotten another variant of that technology.
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Forgot to add, and I'm not 100% sure about this but I Samsung has a mini version of their Galaxy line. At the least there are tons of other options from other manufacturers. I wish Apple had more choices but at least they have come out with two phones in their latest iteration.

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No, you guys! I think this is satire!!

Bwahahahaha! You just can't make this stuff up.
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Will probably happen eventually when they can do so without quality sacrifices. Cook already said as much.

When they can do it without the added bulk we see now from other vendors I think they will. Like how the iPhone 5 has less volume and weight than the 4S despite the bigger display.

Let's remember that other vendors jumped at the larger display so they could add inefficient 1st and 2nd gen LTE chips as a marketing ploy since it was more 'G' than Apple was offering.
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Not going to happen. $3 cables are crap.

They can literally kill you. But, hey, who cares about safety, reliability, or utility? /s
post #138 of 225
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Agreed on some of this. I actually thought I would mind a larger phone more in my pocket but I don't. I wish Apple offered the option.

I wish both devices had better battery life and haven't had success with Apple products either on this.

I also don't like some things about Android so it goes both ways. So many times on this board have blinders on and only love for Apple and hate for everything else. Thanks for proving there are some people out there who can see both sides with me.

So any company that doesn't cater to the most common denominator with a "see what shit sticks" mentality is crap?
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Originally Posted by MiddleGround View Post
I wish they would copy some of the things that Samsung does or as you seem to think they just need to copy themselves. Would love for Apple to copy Apple on:

 

So you don’t have a clue what Apple is. Got it. Thanks for telling us. Either learn what Apple is or enjoy your Android trash.

 

What purpose do you have here, again?

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post #140 of 225

Not sure what you are talking about or which company has that strategy. I think every company that is in this space develops products with end users in mind and a target market. Some offer more choices than others. Not sure offering choices is a bad strategy but there is also nothing wrong with the strategy of offering 1 solution either.

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Hope this doesn't spread to champagne/gold colored cars making a comeback.

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I own about $350,000 in Apple stock (bought on the way up and down) and have a friend who works in the iPhone division so I certainly here a little about their strategies and opinions of their competitors. I'm not a developer but I certainly understand what Apple has.

 

I happen to own Apple, Samsung and Microsoft products so I guess that makes me the bad guy on this board. I come to here to learn about new products and features that Apple is working on. I didn't realize I have to be anti everything else to post on the board but I'm coming to learn this. ;-)

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BTW folks, I'm not going to battle every little thing that people are posting that have never used an Android device but live tile updates are freaking awesome! I'm sure Apple will have it someday because it is very valuable. 

 

I saw someone post that live tiles add no value but they do. Imagine looking at the main screen of your phone and your flight information for the day (including delays is automatically updated), scores from your favorite teams is updated, information about traffic on your drive home, reminders about an appointment and a tile letting you know your package has been shipped or is sitting on your porch at home just to name a few advantages. I had no clue how useful these would be where I don't have to look at my email or an app to get this information until I tried an Android device. Just because I happen to like this beneficial option doesn't mean I don't love my iPhone too. I just wish it had this one feature. Trust me, there are tons of features I love on my iPhone that I wish the Android did better.

 

I know I probably shouldn't be on this board if I don't just blindly gush over everything Apple. Sorry to upset the apple cart. Can't we all just get along?

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Samsung Galaxy S4 - S is for Shamleless

As S is for Shameless, so 4 is for 4ever. Thus we get Samsung Galaxy Shameless4ever. 1smile.gif
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Why did Apple not patented their invention of a gold colored phone. Now all the Android and Windows phone manufacturers will copy Apple's invention. Apple should sue any manufacturer that makes gold colored phones.  

This is the best joke I've heard in a long time! No, not your post... your post is as lame as they come. I'm referring to the gold SG4. And not just gold, but plastic. OMG this is so-o-o-o rich!!!!!!! Reality is so much more bizarre than fiction.

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Gold and.... errr... pink... WTF?!!? Just disgusting.
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BTW folks, I'm not going to battle every little thing that people are posting that have never used an Android device but live tile updates are freaking awesome! I'm sure Apple will have it someday because it is very valuable.

I'm sure it depends at least in part on whether the feature is patented and, if so, what the royalty structure is like. Apple doesn't just copy stuff because it has the technical ability to do so. If/when you see this feature in Apple products, it will be done well (possibly better than the rest) and it will be done with all appropriate intellectual property rights in hand. Apple likely has better ideas and product plans than what you see. I know it's difficult to be patient, but all good things take time to develop and knee-jerk reactions (like gold color announcements) are not the way to establish a strong business.

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I'm sure it depends at least in part on whether the feature is patented and, if so, what the royalty structure is like. Apple doesn't just copy stuff because it has the technical ability to do so. If/when you see this feature in Apple products, it will be done well (possibly better than the rest) and it will be done with all appropriate intellectual property rights in hand.

 

It's actually the Google Now functionality that drives this data so not sure if Apple will license or come up with their own or maybe it will just be left out. You can sort of get at this feature by using the Google App but it's not the same user experience as things being displayed on your phone. It's incredible when traveling as information is displayed just as you need it. Flight info, rental car information, directions, hotel reservations, weather, nearby points of interests, etc. I think the Windows phone sort of does this too but I haven't seen the latest version of this and they are might late to this dance.

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I love how MiddleGround signs up today and gets right to work with all of the Android talking points well scripted. Oh, and he's an iPad user too. MiddleGround, is that like Fair and Balanced News from Fox?

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Brown and gold? So it's basically a gilded turd?
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BTW folks, I'm not going to battle every little thing that people are posting that have never used an Android device but live tile updates are freaking awesome! I'm sure Apple will have it someday because it is very valuable. 

 

I saw someone post that live tiles add no value but they do. Imagine looking at the main screen of your phone and your flight information for the day (including delays is automatically updated), scores from your favorite teams is updated, information about traffic on your drive home, reminders about an appointment and a tile letting you know your package has been shipped or is sitting on your porch at home just to name a few advantages. I had no clue how useful these would be where I don't have to look at my email or an app to get this information until I tried an Android device. Just because I happen to like this beneficial option doesn't mean I don't love my iPhone too. I just wish it had this one feature. Trust me, there are tons of features I love on my iPhone that I wish the Android did better.

 

I know I probably shouldn't be on this board if I don't just blindly gush over everything Apple. Sorry to upset the apple cart. Can't we all just get along?

 

I've owned both Android and Apple products.  Android does have great features but it has an Achilles heal.  Not being able to update the OS.  I'm sorry but there is no excuse for having 66% of the user base on an OS that was released in 2011 or earlier. No excuse.

 

I've purchases an Android phone 2 years ago and I'm still stuck on Gingerbread.  I have not received a single update from my carrier.  Now many of my favorite apps either don't work or crash constantly.  Many of the new apps (Time Warner Cable) don't even work.  That is crap right there.  Plus the threat of Malware is always present.  Plus my friends Galaxy S4 is lagging and he had to shut of a ton of features just so its usable.

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Do Samsung customers feel ashamed of what their brand is doing?

 

Samsung is being "innovative" which, as you are no doubt aware if you follow the news, Apple is incapable of being.

 
Now shut up and consume the trash we tell you to.
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I own about $350,000 in Apple stock (bought on the way up and down) and have a friend who works in the iPhone division

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I've owned both Android and Apple products.  Android does have great features but it has an Achilles heal.  Not being able to update the OS.  I'm sorry but there is no excuse for having 66% of the user base on an OS that was released in 2011 or earlier. No excuse.

 

I've purchases an Android phone 2 years ago and I'm still stuck on Gingerbread.  I have not received a single update from my carrier.  Now many of my favorite apps either don't work or crash constantly.  Many of the new apps (Time Warner Cable) don't even work.  That is crap right there.  Plus the threat of Malware is always present.  Plus my friends Galaxy S4 is lagging and he had to shut of a ton of features just so its usable.

 

My iPhone 4 is on iOS 7, my Galaxy S4 is still on Android 4.2.2 which it shipped with.

 

Apparently the play store makes up for such lameness, in some boring way which Android aficionados constantly like to remind us of.

 

So 4.3 is the latest isn't it?

 

Maybe Samsung is still working on getting rid of the dated, yellow flower photo's icon?

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True. But they were the first one to use it on a phone. Just like to use 64-bit chips in a phone.

 

That's right .. 64-bit chips manufactured by Samsung.

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What's that? Two Samsung TV's, but now in portrait orientation?

 

 

..And you'll be eating your words as soon as Apple releases an iPhone with a larger screen.

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BTW folks, I'm not going to battle every little thing that people are posting that have never used an Android device but live tile updates are freaking awesome! I'm sure Apple will have it someday because it is very valuable. 

 

I saw someone post that live tiles add no value but they do. Imagine looking at the main screen of your phone and your flight information for the day (including delays is automatically updated), scores from your favorite teams is updated, information about traffic on your drive home, reminders about an appointment and a tile letting you know your package has been shipped or is sitting on your porch at home just to name a few advantages. I had no clue how useful these would be where I don't have to look at my email or an app to get this information until I tried an Android device. Just because I happen to like this beneficial option doesn't mean I don't love my iPhone too. I just wish it had this one feature. Trust me, there are tons of features I love on my iPhone that I wish the Android did better.

 

I know I probably shouldn't be on this board if I don't just blindly gush over everything Apple. Sorry to upset the apple cart. Can't we all just get along?

 

That's great UNLESS you don't want or like that feature. Live tiles are widgets and widgets on the desktop with a 21" screen sucked. It isn't better, IMO, on a smaller screen.  Personally, I'm not really sure how you had to see it believe how useful it is. Wouldn't imagination be enough? "I had no clue...".
 
Great. But for those of us with better insight about our preferences, would you accept that we don't like live tiles or widgets?
 
By the way, what's with the persecution complex? Where does it say that you must blindly gush? On the charter? Stop being dramatic.
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I love how MiddleGround signs up today and gets right to work with all of the Android talking points well scripted. Oh, and he's an iPad user too. MiddleGround, is that like Fair and Balanced News from Fox?

 

Now, now. Can't we all get along? He's just bringing a middle of the road perspective. "Middle-Of-The-Road", that's a much better name. ;-)

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That's right .. 64-bit chips manufactured by Samsung.

Yes, Samsung's IC manufacturing division is competent. So what?

I wonder why the fandroids think that somehow justifies Samsung's theft of Apple's IP and silly blatant copying like their new gold phone.
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