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Having a phone shows your financial status? 

No you aren't.  Truly successful people don't have to shout "I'm very successful".  Besides- it's a relative term.  Someone who makes $30k a year might think $70k a year is financially "successful".  Not that income makes you successful, but that's for another day.

 

 Wake up people using aplle products doesn't mean you are rich.

Except it does mean they are wealthier than those that don't.

 

 Does it mean that if an author uses a Mac his her book is better than an author writing it on a PC?

  Yes, because the author wouldn't be a complete idiot.

 

 

 

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post #42 of 70
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This is very misleading. You should correctly state WHY the SIM cards will not work. Samsung employed two different hardware sets. One of the designs limits network compatibility.  

 

Please do everyone a favor and do your research. I understand trying to break something early but this does nothing more than present readers with a fact that is missing context.

 

This is not much different from my unlocked iPhone. It will only work with SIM cards from carriers that support the frequency bands available in the iPhone. 

***Sarcasm warning***

 

Why, it's a simple matter of carrying two Note's which can easily sync while bumping together in your pocket along with some spare batteries (take that Apple fans) and a collection of memory cards (ha got you Apple fans again), of course this may necessitate the comeback of cargo pants.*

 

*The above post may contain traces of sarcasm.

 

Posted from my iPhone 5s which will work with any available SIM I want, anywhere I choose to take it.

 

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Originally Posted by NotASheep View Post
 

More (deliberate?) misinformation and half-truths by Apple Insider.

 

Samsung Switzerland on their Facebook site states that:

 

A local region sim card is only needed for the very first activation of the phone.  From then on you can use whatever sim you want.

 

Expect this post to be deleted within minutes by the censors of this site.

 

 

baaa, humbug!

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post #43 of 70
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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post
 

 

Except if you have a carrier locked iPhone 5, you would also have a carrier AND region locked Note 3.

 

All my iPhones have been unlocked or easily unlockable, all the way back to my first 3G in 2008.

 

In Australia carrier locks only apply to cheap PAYG Android junk, which make up the bulk of Android sales, and dumb phones.

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post #44 of 70
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Originally Posted by NotASheep View Post
 

humbug?

 

see: https://www.facebook.com/SamsungSwitzerland

 

baaa, 300 million Australian sheep are screwed then, baaa.

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Originally Posted by NotASheep View Post

 

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post #46 of 70
Owning a iPhone or any phone for that matter and assuming it means you have status....like being part of some wealth class, is retarded

It does however mean that you probably not technically savvy ,shallow and most likely the last time you went camping was on the side walk near an Apple store.

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post #47 of 70
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Originally Posted by NotASheep View Post
 

More (deliberate?) misinformation and half-truths by Apple Insider.

 

Samsung Switzerland on their Facebook site states that:

 

A local region sim card is only needed for the very first activation of the phone.  From then on you can use whatever sim you want.

 

Expect this post to be deleted within minutes by the censors of this site.

 

Then perhaps they should be more careful with their own product warning labels?

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Owning a iPhone or any phone for that matter and assuming it means you have status....like being part of some wealth class, is retarded

It does however mean that you probably not technically savvy ,shallow and most likely the last time you went camping was on the side walk near an Apple store.

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It looks good next to one of the $6000 watches I wear on my wrist.

 

Do you think it's safe to wear my Breitling in the shower, it's only waterproof to 5000 feet?

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post #49 of 70
I think this is less about restricting international roaming, and more about making people buy their phones from the region they intend to use them in.

If I'm interpreting this right (as someone who bought a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 from a Hong Kong seller and received a phone intended for the French market) this will cut down the ability for people to source Notes cheaper from overseas.

This is an area where Androids differ from Apple pretty significantly. Within a couple of months of release, Android handsets are generally available for about 2/3rds of the local asking price, online out of Hong Kong, and a few months after that you can get them for almost half the local price. Whereas the local asking price (in Australia) only drops once a new model is coming out.

Pity. Guess I won't be getting a Note 3 now...
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post
 

What I don't get, is who are these frequent international travelers who need to swap out a local SIM? Frequent International travelers are usually business people. Personally, I need my business associates to be able to reach me anytime, anywhere, which means that I must maintain the original SIM even when abroad. I also carry an unlocked iPhone for use with a local carrier. If someone calls me on my US number, most of the time I don't answer it, but I know they called, so I just call them back on Skype. Obviously, I also need a local SIM to make and receive calls in the foreign country to do errands, business etc. I don't see how a business person can get around carrying two phones or perhaps a dual SIM phone of which there used to be some available from Nokia.

 

You can pay for a US phone number from Skype and forward your US cell phone calls to that number which in theory could allow you to receive calls on your local SIM carrier when abroad, however it doesn't work reliably and you miss a lot of calls.

 

I travel a lot and have 2 SIM cards (in addition to my local Canadian SIM). Roaming is stupid expensive and it pisses me off enough to go the SIM route. I have a UK SIM and when I get to the UK, I put £10 on it and I get 100 free minutes to Canada (which is a lot more reliable than Skype and iChat, which are at the whim of the network connection). It gives me cheap calls, text and internet (£1/day for internet access). Roaming is also a lot cheaper, so I use it all over Europe. I can always set my local phone to forward to the UK number, so while I still pay for long distance, I don't get dinged for the roaming air time. Compare that to $1.50+/minute and about $30/MB of data, and it saves hundreds of dollars and is more reliable than Skype. I do the same for the US with an ATT card.

 

If the carriers here had roaming plans that were not obscene, I would stick with them, but they are over the top with the costs.

 

 

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Agreed. When I travel abroad (for business or pleasure), one of the first things I do is get a local SIM card for my iPhone and iPad. The rates overseas are often better than what we get in the U.S. and I can consume all the data I need for navigating, using Yelp and other similar apps,  and checking on email. Not having the same phone number is less of an issue because with the time differences, most communication is done by email anyway. If I need to call, I can either put the original AT&T SIM card back in (and pay crazy rates), or use Skype or Vonage to call (depending on whether the carrier allows it or if I need to get WiFi).

 

For unlocking phones that haven't been unlocked for free through AT&T, I use chronicunlocks dot com. Usually I do it before I leave, but once I forgot and unlocked my wife's phone from Italy. We got a great plan which worked great, and we tethered her iPad mini. 

 

As to Samsung, what a stupid idea. The Obama administration is pushing for unlocked phones, which is one of the few ideas I support from the current administration. 

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Owning a iPhone or any phone for that matter and assuming it means you have status....like being part of some wealth class, is retarded

It does however mean that you probably not technically savvy ,shallow and most likely the last time you went camping was on the side walk near an Apple store.

Thinks his cool but is seen by others as a hipster douche that takes forever to type a text message.

 

Thank you for enlightening me!  Now I know I am a hipster douche that takes forever to type a text message... all the while I thought I was cool.

 

Now that I know what I am, I'd like to know a little more about you.  So could you amuse me and answer a quick question?  What would you call a person who takes the time out of his day to go on a forum to talk to people who won't even listen to said person, and ignore their opinion completely?  What would that person be called?  Pathetic?  A loser?  Nothing better to do with his time?  Worthless? A Giant Tool?

 

You pick.

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post #52 of 70
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Originally Posted by Gustav View Post
 
Lots of people don't want to travel with two phones. They give the local number to the people they are travelling to meet with. Pretty simple, really.

Simple if you don't want anyone from your home country to be able to reach you, unless you notify them about your new foreign number and make them pay international long distance to reach you. That doesn't work for busy business travelers which is what I was referring to.

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post #53 of 70
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Agreed. When I travel abroad (for business or pleasure), one of the first things I do is get a local SIM card for my iPhone and iPad. The rates overseas are often better than what we get in the U.S. and I can consume all the data I need for navigating, using Yelp and other similar apps,  and checking on email. Not having the same phone number is less of an issue because with the time differences, most communication is done by email anyway. If I need to call, I can either put the original AT&T SIM card back in (and pay crazy rates), or use Skype or Vonage to call (depending on whether the carrier allows it or if I need to get WiFi).

 

Again that only works if your clients aren't going to worry because you never answer the phone. I travel North to South so there is almost no time difference for me. I prefer that my clients receive seamless access such as they are accustomed to.

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post #54 of 70
Samsung region codes its Laser printer cartridges (yes that's right) so its no surprise that they would lock phablets and soon phones. They are on my JUST SAY NO list.
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Originally Posted by planetkingdom View Post
Samsung region codes its Laser printer cartridges (yes thats right)

 

How can they possibly know? They’re just stupid cartridges! I wouldn’t put it past them, but how can the hardware know? This sounds like something you know from experience. :p

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I do believe that you are correct. Android is for the financially disadvantaged, and for those who don't have money to fully use their devices (data etc.). Basically it's for kids, the unemployed, people on welfare and street beggars.

 

That's an awfully big generalization.

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Originally Posted by Lord Amhran View Post

That's an awfully big generalization.

 

Considering the number of teens on welfare with iPhones for status, at least.

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post #58 of 70
Who buys Samsung phones? Who cares?

Anyone really use junk as their phones?
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Originally Posted by Lord Amhran View Post

That's an awfully big generalization.


I assumed you have been here long enough to know Apple][. He is, um, unique.
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Considering the number of teens on welfare with iPhones for status, at least.


I don't know. Why don't you tell us how many teens with iPhones collect welfare?

And then, tell us how many of them bought their iphones BEFORE they lost a job or became disabled and had to go on welfare. Then, subtract out the number who were given the iPhone as a gift.

IOW, how about actually providing some facts instead of your usual hate-filled innuendo?
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post #61 of 70
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How can they possibly know? They’re just stupid cartridges! I wouldn’t put it past them, but how can the hardware know? This sounds like something you know from experience. :p

 

Every time I put a cartrige in a laser printer (or my Epson 2200 for that matter) the chip embedded in the cartrige gets interogated and there's a message displayed that the cartrige is an official "HP" in the case of my lasers. So they simply add a bit of extra code to that chip and voila! That chip interrogation has been present on the HP work group printers for at least 3 generations to my knowledge.

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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post
I don't know. Why don't you tell us how many teens with iPhones collect welfare?

 

Not really sure what’s wrong that this is so difficult to believe. I know that I don’t want to believe it myself, because it’s sickening that our taxes are being used this way, but it’s true.

 

Let’s see, at just one inner city middle school (6-8) in one city in the Midwest, just over two thirds of the student body receive some form of welfare, either at home or additionally through the school system. Of these, roughly half have smartphones (three quarters or so have cell phones) and half of those are iPhones. It’s interesting that they can afford said $40-70 per month plans when their families are on all manner of government programs for room and board.

 

I can’t give out actual numbers, but I can give the above approximations.

 
And then, tell us how many of them bought their iphones BEFORE they lost a job or became disabled and had to go on welfare

 

I can confidently say none. The times I’ve heard and been told from others who’ve heard “check out my new phone” while the child is sitting at state-funded low-income breakfast…

 

Also, you don’t keep your effing smartphone and plan if you’ve “gone on welfare” unless you have no plans to go off welfare.

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What I don't get, is who are these frequent international travelers who need to swap out a local SIM? Frequent International travelers are usually business people. Personally, I need my business associates to be able to reach me anytime, anywhere, which means that I must maintain the original SIM even when abroad. I also carry an unlocked iPhone for use with a local carrier. If someone calls me on my US number, most of the time I don't answer it, but I know they called, so I just call them back on Skype. Obviously, I also need a local SIM to make and receive calls in the foreign country to do errands, business etc. I don't see how a business person can get around carrying two phones or perhaps a dual SIM phone of which there used to be some available from Nokia.

 

You can pay for a US phone number from Skype and forward your US cell phone calls to that number which in theory could allow you to receive calls on your local SIM carrier when abroad, however it doesn't work reliably and you miss a lot of calls.

 

Large corporations may afford international roaming.  I work for one, but I always buy a local SIM when I travel abroad.  I use Google Voice and I get voice mails in my Gmail.  I also use Vonage which has free international calls to many countries.  My GV number also rings my Vonage number which I forward to the local SIM card.  Vonage extensions give me free calls in the reverse direction back home.  I was planning on getting a Note 3.  But there is no way I'm rewarding Samsung if the US versions also have this nonsense.  Nexus 5 it will most likely be.

 

I don't use Skype, but GV+Vonage works flawlessly.  Have been using it for years now.

 

BTW, at least with T-Mobile, even if you don't pick up the phone, if the phone rings, you are getting dinged for the call.  They have deals with international carriers and have to pay them for transferring the call to your phone.  Since I discovered this, I have disabled international roaming on my line.  I'd expect this to be the case with other carriers as well.

 

A colleague came back home to find a bill close to $2000 when he lost his phone and the time it took T-Mobile to have the line  disconnected.  It took innumerable calls to customer service and it was finally only when he spoke to the AA in the CEO's office that the charges were reversed.

 

I get in a plane and the first thing I do is remove my SIM card.  Who needs the grief!

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I get in a plane and the first thing I do is remove my SIM card.  Who needs the grief!

No one! That's why it should be made obsolete. SIM cards are sooo 1991. Do it all in software I say.
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I do believe that you are correct. Android is for the financially disadvantaged, and for those who don't have money to fully use their devices (data etc.). Basically it's for kids, the unemployed, people on welfare and street beggars.

 

 

 

I am sorry but its comments like that give Apple users a bad name. I have a friend who uses a Galaxy S4 and he makes twice the money I make a year. He could easily afford an iPhone but chooses not.  I do hope you weren't serious.

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I am sorry but its comments like that give Apple users a bad name. I have a friend who uses a Galaxy S4 and he makes twice the money I make a year. He could easily afford an iPhone but chooses not.  I do hope you weren't serious.
Sadly Bondom 16, he is. Apple ][ is well known for making such comments.
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I don't know. Why don't you tell us how many teens with iPhones collect welfare?

And then, tell us how many of them bought their iphones BEFORE they lost a job or became disabled and had to go on welfare. Then, subtract out the number who were given the iPhone as a gift.

IOW, how about actually providing some facts instead of your usual hate-filled innuendo?

In this case I'd side with TS and I think you would too if you understood the bigger picture.

You, me and most everyone else here is financially comfortable enough to buy multiple computing devices, picking the one most convenient or appropriate for whatever we're doing at the moment. Desktops, laptops, tablets, smartphones, AppleTV's, etc all sitting in many of our homes or on our desks at work. We have a skewed vision of reality.

The low-income among us have real constraints. One device has to serve as their web research portal, their window to social connections, their email provider, their gaming platform, and their phone connection. Saving up several hundred dollars for an iPad or iMac isn't gonna happen for most of them. So what's the option?

A. Visit a rent-to-own with exorbitant prices and where they might lose their computer or gaming device at the first missed weekly payment.
B. Create a savings plan to put away a few dollars each week and still clear enough from the household budget to afford an internet connection to go with it.
C. Get a zero or low down-payment smartphone with a manageable monthly cost that includes a connection to the outside world.

It shouldn't be hard to see the obvious choice and why an iPhone or other smarphone might be owned by someone on welfare. It's not a luxury item for many of them.

...and yes there's studies I can link for you that come to the same or similar conclusions if you can't find them for yourself.
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It doesn't matter, developers have already achieved root for Galaxy Note 3 and any 'lock' will soon be unlocked. That's the beauty of Android :)

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Region Locking DVD's (which was used heavily by Sony) was found to be illegal in Australia. There was no legal reason for stopping people buying their content overseas. In today's globalized economy and larger number of frequent travelers, this kind of behavior is reprehensible...
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It doesn't matter, developers have already achieved root for Galaxy Note 3 and any 'lock' will soon be unlocked. That's the beauty of Android 1smile.gif

...and when Samsung detects unauthorised binaries, there goes your warranty, such is the nature of the commercial agreement you enter into when you buy a Note 3.
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