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Retina display-toting iPad mini may not ship with 'iPad 5' this year, report says

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A report on Thursday claims Apple may not be planning to release a Retina display iPad mini alongside an expected next-generation "iPad 5" next month, citing low manufacturing volumes unsuitable for mass shipments.

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According to IHS iSuppli's supply chain checks, the next-generation 9.7-inch iPad is on track for an October launch, but production of a high-resolution iPad mini is not yet at levels that would indicative of a simultaneous release, reports CNET.

"The Retina Mini looks less certain for that time," said IHS iSuppli's director of Tablet and Monitor Research, Rhoda Alexander. "Manufacturing volumes on that would match better with a Q114 [first quarter 2014] launch."

Alexander qualified the statement by noting Apple may introduce such a device in October with the fifth-generation iPad, but could choose to ship it at a later date.

The publication notes that, while analysts have discussed Retina panel yields, they claim mass production could be less than optimal for a 2013 launch. In either case, it appears that Apple will likely be face with supply constraints, a situation that has become increasingly familiar for the company.

Earlier this year, KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said Retina display yield issues would push back Retina iPad mini production until October. In a more recent report, the analyst predicted the "iPad 5" and "iPad mini 2" would both see release in the fourth quarter of 2013, with Apple pushing up the mini's launch date due to increased competition in the sector.

All should be revealed in the coming weeks, as Apple is rumored to be planning a special event next month to introduce a revamped tablet lineup.
post #2 of 61
Well, this confirms the previous rumor that the next mini may or may not have a retina screen.
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Any such speculation of Apple actually announcing a product with a later shipping date should be taken with a grain of salt; because it is doubtful if Apple were to do a product announcement without product being ready to ship.

The big event to look for is the introduction of the Mac Pro.
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If the iPad 5 has the same form factor as the mini theyll be less desire for a mini.
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The retina model will probably come out this fall. There's no point in waiting till Q1 after people have already spent their holiday money.
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I think it is time Apple Insider keeps track of who and where these rumors come from while also intercomparing the rumor to the stock change directly correlating with the rumor. 

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The retina model will probably come out this fall. There's no point in waiting till Q1 after people have already spent their holiday money.

 

Agreed. Apple is not going to annouce a retina mini and ship it after the Holidays. That would kill the sales of the mini at a time when they could be making big Holiday money. Either they release it or they don't hold an event. No reason to hold an event for just the full sized iPad.  

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I can't remember a single iPhone or iPad release since the iPhone 4 where there was no claim by somebody that there is a shortage, manufacturing problems etc.

 

As these products are normally sold out over the first weekend, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. "See! They don't have enough! I was right!"

 

For some strange reason, except for the white iPhone 4 (that obviously really had problems initially) every single of these products shipped in higher numbers than their respective predecessor.

 

There are several "retina" / hi-dpi small tablets by now – they cost next to nothing, even Amazon can make one. But Apple can't buy any? Yeah. I totally believe that.

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Apple will release a phablet as the competition is leading in the market.
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The publication notes that, while analysts have discussed Retina panel yields, they claim mass production could be less than optimal for a 2013 launch.

 

I thought we stopped believing analysts a long time ago...

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Originally Posted by peter236 View Post
Apple will release a phablet as the competition is leading in the market.

 

Sounds like the last reason they’d do it.

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I can't remember a single iPhone or iPad release since the iPhone 4 where there was no claim by somebody that there is a shortage, manufacturing problems etc.

As these products are normally sold out over the first weekend, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. "See! They don't have enough! I was right!"

For some strange reason, except for the white iPhone 4 (that obviously really had problems initially) every single of these products shipped in higher numbers than their respective predecessor.

There are several "retina" / hi-dpi small tablets by now – they cost next to nothing, even Amazon can make one. But Apple can't buy any? Yeah. I totally believe that.

I think I'll write a play called "Waiting for Igzo" (accent on the last syllable), "A Tragicomedy in Two Acts."

There are two characters. One says they must wait for Igzo. The other says he doesn't believe there is an Igzo. They go back and forth about this tediously for much of the play.

I haven't worked out the ending yet . . .
post #13 of 61
Looks good. From the start, retina was what people wanted a retina mini. For example, from the original release: http://dailybarrage.com/2012/11/03/apple-ipad-mini-announcement-impressions/
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Apple will release a phablet as the competition is leading in the market.

 

Apple might release a bigger iPhone once they find the components they are happy with, I don't think they can avoid it. And Cook pretty much said so. But it will not be in "phablet" territory, maybe something between 4.5 and 5 Inches.

 

But a phablet? One of these Samsung atrocities? Never. (I would not rule out putting telephony capabilities into a larger tablet, IF there is a reasonable mean to make use of it without holding that pizza box to your ear.)

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I think I'll write a play called "Waiting for Igzo" (accent on the last syllable), "A Tragicomedy in Two Acts."

 

Not sure I got the point (sorry!)...

 

There is nothing wrong with the current IPS hi-dpi panels available on the market (e.g. the ones used in the Nexus 7 or the new Amazon "HDX" model - presumably, of course: I have not seen one yet). They are not (AM)OLED or pentile crap, they are really much more than "good enough".

 

I have only seen one IGZO panel in my life, which is installed in the Asus PQ321 4k display... and for the naked eye, it has nothing that would put it ahead of "traditional" IPS technology.

 

If cheap-ass tablets like the Nexus 7 or the Amazon HDX can deliver a "retina"-class panel, I would expect Apple to be able to compete. And IF they have a reason to not use these components (certainly possible), I expect more than an acronym as an explanation. Apple is not using IGZO anywhere, why would it be a "must" for an iPad Mini?

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Agreed. Apple is not going to annouce a retina mini and ship it after the Holidays. That would kill the sales of the mini at a time when they could be making big Holiday money. Either they release it or they don't hold an event. No reason to hold an event for just the full sized iPad.  

Lots of people have really short term memory like gold fish this day. Only until a few years ago. Apple announce their new products in January Macworld.

And anyone done a day of retail knows - January is a strong retail month, just like pre Xmas.
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If cheap-ass tablets like the Nexus 7 or the Amazon HDX can deliver a "retina"-class panel, I would expect Apple to be able to compete. And IF they have a reason to not use these components (certainly possible), I expect more than an acronym as an explanation. Apple is not using IGZO anywhere, why would it be a "must" for an iPad Mini?

Assuming Ming-Chi Kuo was right that Apple intends to use IGZO-based displays, the mini would be the most logical first use. Then assume they've been working on that. The way they design things to the last detail, there would be no turning to another technology once they've committed. They would not start over, they would wait for the original solution to be ready.

Edit. It occurs to me that you might not suspect as I do that using IGZO would affect the design of the entire device: backlight, battery, case, and thus all the internals.
Edited by Flaneur - 9/26/13 at 10:45pm
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Well, this confirms the previous rumor that the next mini may or may not have a retina screen.

 

FACT: The next mini may or may not have a retina screen.

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post #19 of 61
Not having an iPad mini ready for the holiday seasons would be a very bad move. There must be millions of people only waiting to burn their money on one of these, arguably even more than there are waiting for the iPad 5.
Not having this ready for the most important season of the year would definitely reflect on the stock market through the analysts.
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post #20 of 61

What a great idea -- a Rumor and Analyst Leader and Loserboard.

 

ANALYST/SOURCE      RUMOR         YES OR FAIL?

 

Gene Munster                 # iPhones sold opening w/e 2013            FAIL

Gene Munster                 # iPhones sold opening w/e 2012            FAIL

 

Oh, wait, it already exists and done way better than I'm proposing. 

 

Well, I personally predict the iPad 5 will have a retina version alongside a non retina version.  That way, Apple can provide the choice but also the volume for the holidays.

 

Just two cents.

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"Alexander qualified the statement by noting Apple may introduce such a device in October with the fifth-generation iPad, but could choose to ship it at a later date." 

 

Clever, so whatever happens with the Mini release date - a release next month or some time later, this person can claim they got it right.

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I can't remember a single iPhone or iPad release since the iPhone 4 where there was no claim by somebody that there is a shortage, manufacturing problems etc.
Getting old isn't it.
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As these products are normally sold out over the first weekend, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. "See! They don't have enough! I was right!"
Silly isn't it but even in this forum you see gullible people that eat up these announcements.
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For some strange reason, except for the white iPhone 4 (that obviously really had problems initially) every single of these products shipped in higher numbers than their respective predecessor.
Yep, Apple is shipping in volumes few manufactures even dream about.
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There are several "retina" / hi-dpi small tablets by now – they cost next to nothing, even Amazon can make one. But Apple can't buy any? Yeah. I totally believe that.
Even the large iPad has one. So if it is possible there why not on a smaller machine? Sometime I just think these guys leaking these rumors are just getting off on the idea that they can jerk people around.
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If the iPad 5 has the same form factor as the mini theyll be less desire for a mini.

Nope. Not for me, I'm holding out for a retina mini, for easier portability. But even if the mini doesn't have retina I'll still buy it this fall over a retina iPad 5.
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Amazon and Google can manage to launch small retina tablets at a lower price than the current mini but Apple cant manage to do it?
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Amazon and Google can manage to launch small retina tablets at a lower price than the current mini but Apple cant manage to do it?

I don't believe this for one second.  Besides WSJ and Bloomberg said a retina mini was coming.  I'd tend to believe them over anyone else.

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rather odd saying that Apple can not make enough retina ipad mini's to meet demand thus they will not release the retina mini...
why not let it sell out and still keep selling the regular mini... so if you want a retina mini, wait... otherwise buy a iPad...

if apple can't make enough retina mini's... how can Amazon make enough the Fire HD's...

lol, how about "just let them buy retina iPads" a joking reference to the meme "well, let them eat cake"...
post #27 of 61
Sonny Dickson (who was very accurate with his iPhone leaks) says mini will have fingerprint reader and same color options as 5S. He claims the mini will have 1GB ram, while the full size iPad will have 2. Both will utilize A7.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SonnyDickson/tweets

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Assuming this is accurate (and again, he was accurate with all his iPhone leaks) then there's no way the new mini won't have retina display. They're not going to give it A7, touch id and 1GB ram but leave out retina display.
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I believe Apple plans to use their unique film based touch technology built into their iPad mini with no retina display. This allows the unit to be very thin. Manufacturing these for a Retina may present problems not encountered by others using older technologies and thicker tablets. Remember, the retina iPad is thicker than the non retina. These are not easy engineering or production problems.
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I believe Apple plans to use their unique film based touch technology built into their iPad mini with no retina display. This allows the unit to be very thin. Manufacturing these for a Retina may present problems not encountered by others using older technologies and thicker tablets. Remember, the retina iPad is thicker than the non retina. These are not easy engineering or production problems.

I don't buy this. iPod touch is super thin but has retina display. Other companies don't seem to have a problem putting high res displays in their tablets. And their tablets aren't that much heavier than the mini. Even prior skeptic John Gruber thinks the mini will be retina - mostly because that's what iOS 7 was designed for.
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I think I'll write a play called "Waiting for Igzo" (accent on the last syllable), "A Tragicomedy in Two Acts."

There are two characters. One says they must wait for Igzo. The other says he doesn't believe there is an Igzo. They go back and forth about this tediously for much of the play.

I haven't worked out the ending yet . . .

The ending is when the audience dies of boredom.
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post #31 of 61
Mac Pro and iPad 5 should be the big ticket items. Somewhere in there hopefully they'll toss in a Haswell MacBook Pro.

Oh, and ice cream. They'll have ice cream. Maybe.
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Agreed. Apple is not going to annouce a retina mini and ship it after the Holidays. That would kill the sales of the mini at a time when they could be making big Holiday money. Either they release it or they don't hold an event. No reason to hold an event for just the full sized iPad.  

Hahahahaha lol. You can't be serious.

No reason to hold an event for "just" the iPad?

You do realize, that with or without a retina display, the mini will be updated. And with or without a retina display on the updated mini, the brand new redesigned iPad is what will steal the show.
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Sonny Dickson (who was very accurate with his iPhone leaks) says mini will have fingerprint reader and same color options as 5S. He claims the mini will have 1GB ram, while the full size iPad will have 2. Both will utilize A7.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SonnyDickson/tweets

BVJNUcPCMAEWhEz.jpg

BVJNh7xCEAA6LvY.jpg

Assuming this is accurate (and again, he was accurate with all his iPhone leaks) then there's no way the new mini won't have retina display. They're not going to give it A7, touch id and 1GB ram but leave out retina display.

 

All of those upgrades PLUS Retina sound pricey to me.

 

Maybe Apple will give the iPad Mini 2 major upgrades such as A7 and Touch ID, and not add Retina? 

 

I have a feeling Touch ID alone would cause people to buy the Mini over competing tablets.

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Not having an iPad mini ready for the holiday seasons would be a very bad move. There must be millions of people only waiting to burn their money on one of these, arguably even more than there are waiting for the iPad 5.
Not having this ready for the most important season of the year would definitely reflect on the stock market through the analysts.

Yea ok. I'll bet you 80000000000 x infinity dollars that it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if the refreshed mini has a retina display or not.

If you think 95% of the target market for the mini has any clue or care in the world about said feature, you're freaking delusional.
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I wonder who exactly here is freaking delusional.

If you have followed the IT market even just a tiny bit for the last 40 years, people have ALWAYS gone for the bigger numbers.

Your comment quite frankly makes you look stupid.

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All of those upgrades PLUS Retina sound pricey to me.

Maybe Apple will give the iPad Mini 2 major upgrades such as A7 and Touch ID, and not add Retina? 

I have a feeling Touch ID alone would cause people to buy the Mini over competing tablets.

With all those upgrades- id be willing to spend more. Maybe $379. I'd much rather them increase the specs AND the price than just keep the price the same and moderate spec bumps like an A6, 1 GB ram, and maybe or maybe not a retina. $50 is well worth a touch ID and an A7. Well worth it. Now if we can get it all AND stay at $329... Then wow.

As a side note- that gold iPad mini is GORGEOUS.

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All of those upgrades PLUS Retina sound pricey to me.

Maybe Apple will give the iPad Mini 2 major upgrades such as A7 and Touch ID, and not add Retina? 

I have a feeling Touch ID alone would cause people to buy the Mini over competing tablets.
If Apple leaves retina off this iPad they're just asking people to buy a competitors device with superior display. This is just my opinion but if I had to chose between touch id and retina on the iPad, it would be retina full stop. Retina is much more than just a nice to have. And with competitors selling cheaper tablets with much better displays it would really make Apple look pathetic. Especially with iOS 7 being designed specifically with retina in mind.
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Yea ok. I'll bet you 80000000000 x infinity dollars that it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if the refreshed mini has a retina display or not.

If you think 95% of the target market for the mini has any clue or care in the world about said feature, you're freaking delusional.
You're the one that's delusional. Competitors have cheaper tablets with better displays. That is a FACT. Considering the mini is primarily a reading and consumption device, having retina is a huge selling feature. If Apple releases a retina mini it's game over. If they don't, then big score for Amazon and Google. There is zero business sense in releasing another mini without retina. And if its a technical issue then one has to wonder how other companies are able to release devices with betters quality displays and decent battery life for much cheaper. And these devices aren't thick, heavy bricks either. Sorry but people are running out of good excuses for the mini not going retina.
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Been using the Mini for about a year now.  The Screen looks great!....

 

I just don't really see the need for the higher rez display...  It would be nice I guess, but not if it makes the unit heaver or thicker.....

 

I would assume that a retina display would need more processor power and more battery???? 

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I can't remember a single iPhone or iPad release since the iPhone 4 where there was no claim by somebody that there is a shortage, manufacturing problems etc.

 

As these products are normally sold out over the first weekend, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. "See! They don't have enough! I was right!"

 

For some strange reason, except for the white iPhone 4 (that obviously really had problems initially) every single of these products shipped in higher numbers than their respective predecessor.

 

There are several "retina" / hi-dpi small tablets by now – they cost next to nothing, even Amazon can make one. But Apple can't buy any? Yeah. I totally believe that.

 

Competitors' HD displays are running 1900x1080.  The ipad runs 2048x1536, much higher than "full HD".  

 

So it's very possible that they can't produce the highest res tablet screens on the market at satisfactory yields.

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