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Originally Posted by JohnTChance View Post

Wonder what the kickbacks and bribes were.

Since this is a family site, let's just say Ballmer bent over forward to get their business.

"Flight 451, I'm having trouble reading you...there's a loud clicking noise in the background."

This really doesn't matter in the long run. When Microsoft dumps the ST, Delta will be crawling back to Apple... Delta's Surfaces will join in building that growing new island off the coast of Redmond WA.
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post #122 of 163
Delta slogans

1929 Speed, Comfort and Safety

1930s Speed, Comfort and Convenience (We're sorry about that "Safety" thing)

1935 The Trans-Southern Route (The Yankee's won't let us fly over habitable areas since that 1929 "oops.")

1940 The Airline of the South (Wooeee, them Yankees are still holding a grudge)

1948 None Faster. None Finer. To and Through the South. (Sometimes we even fly "over" the South)

1950s Hospitality and Service from the Heart ( We stopped mentioning the South along with the North - we just fly east and west over the gulf)

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post #123 of 163
Crickey, not sure I would want the blue screen of death on a plans :-)
post #124 of 163
Ha ha the surface tablets are finally taking off!
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Gadget… have you ever seen a grown baby naked?

Dear God........
post #126 of 163
One would think Delta was quietly testing these Surface2's along side the iPads to have come to such an about face no? As others have mentioned I would imagine the BYOD movement would have more sway and people would continue to bring whatever devices they choose.

Then again Delta is probably going to implement their own custom software on these tablets in much the same fashion as Amazon does with Android (though not to that extent) to force their employees to use the Surface2's.
post #127 of 163

Just great. Delays, delays, delays when the Surface does not wake up. "This is the captain, please take a nap while we get this f*&^&^g thing to work again...

post #128 of 163
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Delta slogans

1929 Speed, Comfort and Safety

1930s Speed, Comfort and Convenience (We're sorry about that "Safety" thing)

1935 The Trans-Southern Route (The Yankee's won't let us fly over habitable areas since that 1929 "oops.")

1940 The Airline of the South (Wooeee, them Yankees are still holding a grudge)

1948 None Faster. None Finer. To and Through the South. (Sometimes we even fly "over" the South)

1950s Hospitality and Service from the Heart ( We stopped mentioning the South along with the North - we just fly east and west over the gulf)

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What happened with Delta in 1929? They were still crop-dusting then in addition to sometimes carrying one lone passenger. Something to do with the crop-dusting?
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post #129 of 163

Maybe its possible that delta relies heavily on microsft office and they figured it would bet better to give the pilots surfaces and lumia 820's because they both have office on them?

post #130 of 163
It's a solid device that can display three apps side by side, has a USB port, and costs less than the iPad. Not really a surprise.
post #131 of 163
Originally Posted by Linden View Post
solid

 

Yeah, it’s a brick.

 
…display three apps side by side…

 

Enjoy having three hands, freak. :p

 
…has a USB port…

 

And the iPad has every port computing has ever created.

 
…and costs less than the iPad.

 

Except it doesn’t.

post #132 of 163
Delta Airlines = FAIL!
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post
 

Ugh!

 

Guess I won't being buying a Ford (Sync) or a Tesla (Android) or now flying on Delta.

 

Tesla Model S does not use Android. Tesla created its own custom OS which has no relationship to Android. I own one and drive it on a daily basis. NOT ANDROID!

post #134 of 163
Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post

I own one and drive it on a daily basis.


OOH. How is it?

post #135 of 163
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Originally Posted by MikeJones View Post
 

 

Live tiles, two apps at once, a clickity-clack keyboard. DUH!!!

 

/s

 

Pilots don't need live tiles.    They need to read their manuals, which I believe are PDF files.   And that clickity-clack keyboard isn't so clickity-clack - it's very mushy and hard to type on.  Furthermore, where are they going to set this down in order to use the keyboard - it doesn't work so well in your lap, even if it were a decent keyboard.

 

As others, I think Microsoft probably gave them a deal they couldn't refuse and Apple probably didn't.   And I bet they had a conservative IT department with some head who still thought that Apple products are toys.  

 

As for those people who claim that you're not going to fly Delta anymore, I think that's completely ridiculous.    Do you check each component on the plane to see who manufactured it?   Do you check Delta's offices to see if they use Apple products or not?    If a restaurant has an electronic menu system for the waiters on a Pad that's not Apple's, do you not eat there?     Get over your fanboyism - it's absurd.  

 

If they're rolling out 10,000 units, a $200 price differential is $2 million.   If you're an executive there making this decision, you have to rationalize why you'd spend $2 million more.  Could you beyond, "well, I like Apple better"?     The only case you'd have is that the Windows Surface is so far a disaster and they could be discontinued in the future.   

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One would think Delta was quietly testing these Surface2's along side the iPads to have come to such an about face no? As others have mentioned I would imagine the BYOD movement would have more sway and people would continue to bring whatever devices they choose.

 

To use tablets in the cockpit, the testing that is done is with the FAA.  It's public, not quiet.  You need to use the actual devices which will be used in specific aircraft.  It's an official, public, certification procedure, it's not like an IT department testing some pre-release units in the field.  It takes roughly a year to complete (depends on the number of aircraft being certified for use).  The story would've been more credible if they were talking about the Surface RT instead of the Surface 2, because at least then I'd believe they had a chance to go through the testing.

 

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Then again Delta is probably going to implement their own custom software on these tablets in much the same fashion as Amazon does with Android (though not to that extent) to force their employees to use the Surface2's.

 

That's not going to work.  One critical piece of software is from Jeppesen.  They're a 3,200 person company founded in 1934 and now owned by Boeing.  They make charts and have for decades done paper charts and since 1996 have been doing charting software and apps.  Most of their software either requires Windows XP or iOS.  You can't really "replicate" Jeppesen.  The data is enormous and the software is... well, designed with people's lives in mind. 

 

In addition to "map" charts, there is also the issue of checklists for take-off/landings as well as emergencies and documentation regarding the aircraft itself.

 

Now it's possible that Microsoft/Delta could contract Jeppesen to develop software for the Surface 2, but the cost per device to do so would be insane, plus the testing couldn't occur until the software was developed.  Boeing, being a publicly traded company would have to disclose such information as it impacts their financial reporting.

post #137 of 163
Delta #1 to crash customers life by a cheap IT dominated decision while the CFO rules Delta and not the CEOs Strategy.

I will never fly this shitty jet
post #138 of 163
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Originally Posted by JohnTChance View Post

Wonder what the kickbacks and bribes were.

 

It's called price dumping.  Microsoft will do that to get an account.  If Delta has the BYOD program and enough pilots bring their own iPad, I think that would be funny.  That's usually what happens in a BYOD program.

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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post
 

 

Tesla Model S does not use Android. Tesla created its own custom OS which has no relationship to Android. I own one and drive it on a daily basis. NOT ANDROID!

 

Good.  At least they got one thing right.  How easy is it to use the 17inch screen while driving?  Is it too distracting?  That's my main concern with their system.  How about comfort? What did you drive before you switched to a Tesla?  Just curious.

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I could be wrong but most hospital computers run Microsoft.
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Well imagine all the lives that can be safe if they used apple...
post #141 of 163
Delta will account for 80% of surface 2 sales
post #142 of 163
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Originally Posted by Lord Amhran View Post

One would think Delta was quietly testing these Surface2's along side the iPads to have come to such an about face no? As others have mentioned I would imagine the BYOD movement would have more sway and people would continue to bring whatever devices they choose.

Then again Delta is probably going to implement their own custom software on these tablets in much the same fashion as Amazon does with Android (though not to that extent) to force their employees to use the Surface2's.

 

First of all, BYOD simply doesn't work in the airline industry. Second, Delta committed to using the Lumia smartphones a few months ago. So extending that commitment to Surface 2 is not surprising. Third, Avanade is developing POS software customized for Delta and based on the Microsoft Dynamics. So Delta is not just buying Surface 2 devices; they have bought into an integrated Microsoft system.

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Delta #1 to crash customers life by a cheap IT dominated decision while the CFO rules Delta and not the CEOs Strategy.

I will never fly this shitty jet

 

People like you crack me up.  Swearing off flying Delta just because they're picking a Surface for their flight book.  Really?  I certainly trust them to know their business better than you do.  I certainly find the decision curious as well, especially since the iPad is more popular and is already being used for the same purpose by other airlines.  But never flying them again?  Please.  What a juvenile response.  I'm not about to throw away my Skymiles because they committed the cardinal sin of not using an Apple product.  

post #144 of 163
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Enjoy having three hands, freak. 1tongue.gif

Why would you need three hands just because the Surface can show 2 or 3 apps side by side?

Are you saying that when I'm using my Windows or Mac PC that I would need 7 mice if I have 7 application windows open?
post #145 of 163
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Pilots don't need live tiles.    They need to read their manuals, which I believe are PDF files.   And that clickity-clack keyboard isn't so clickity-clack - it's very mushy and hard to type on.  Furthermore, where are they going to set this down in order to use the keyboard - it doesn't work so well in your lap, even if it were a decent keyboard.

 

As others, I think Microsoft probably gave them a deal they couldn't refuse and Apple probably didn't.   And I bet they had a conservative IT department with some head who still thought that Apple products are toys.  

 

As for those people who claim that you're not going to fly Delta anymore, I think that's completely ridiculous.    Do you check each component on the plane to see who manufactured it?   Do you check Delta's offices to see if they use Apple products or not?    If a restaurant has an electronic menu system for the waiters on a Pad that's not Apple's, do you not eat there?     Get over your fanboyism - it's absurd.  

 

If they're rolling out 10,000 units, a $200 price differential is $2 million.   If you're an executive there making this decision, you have to rationalize why you'd spend $2 million more.  Could you beyond, "well, I like Apple better"?     The only case you'd have is that the Windows Surface is so far a disaster and they could be discontinued in the future.   

 

IT departments will say that the Surface will be much cheaper to support and thus save way more than $ 2M.

 

Of course maybe Delta is thinking they don't want their pilots and coPilots getting sick and throwing up from the iPad with new iOS7.

 

Either way Microsoft will push hard with the new Surface Pro 2 to get into these corporate accounts.   The have the resources to make their software better and will push to make it easier for corporate clients to convert legacy apps to Windows8.x on the Surface.   Personally I still think Surface and Pro 2 are still over priced for consumers but you don't know what sort of deal Delta got.

post #146 of 163
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IT departments will say that the Surface will be much cheaper to support and thus save way more than $ 2M.

Of course maybe Delta is thinking they don't want their pilots and coPilots getting sick and throwing up from the iPad with new iOS7.

Either way Microsoft will push hard with the new Surface Pro 2 to get into these corporate accounts.   The have the resources to make their software better and will push to make it easier for corporate clients to convert legacy apps to Windows8.x on the Surface.   Personally I still think Surface and Pro 2 are still over priced for consumers but you don't know what sort of deal Delta got.

There are other reasons why Surface would have been preferable -

1. Windows RT supports multiple user accounts, which means that a device doesn't need to belong to a specific member of staff. They just login on any devices, and all their specific apps and accounts are available. Different staff might have a different set of apps installed. It makes managing the devices much more flexible.

2. For extra lock-down if required, kiosk mode (Assigned Access is the official name) allows the device to boot up and launch into a specific app (set by admin) and stay there. The only way to exit the app is to shut down the device. Again, this is dependent on which user logs in, therefore some staff might be locked in kiosk mode, while others have access to a range of corporate apps.
post #147 of 163
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PS: these are manual carriers, not integrated systems. No matter what device they use, there's no crashing caused by them (unless they get into a serious issue requiring manuals to be relied upon in a critical moment).

 

Controllers will always read out standard arrivals and departures and approach details upon request.  Also, these planes still have EFIS systems with built in approach databases.  Without a pad at all, most of these planes can fly automatically to just above touchdown, and some can even autoland.

 

If all else fails, they get an ASR (Airport Surveillance Radar) approach, where the controller navigates and the pilots fly.

 

I can't imagine the Surface is the best device, but it's not a safety issue.

post #148 of 163
Great. Hackable devices in cockpits. See Die Hard 2.
post #149 of 163
Originally Posted by WP7Mango View Post
Why would you need three hands just because the Surface can show 2 or 3 apps side by side?

 

For “true” multitasking, as seems to be the goal.

 
Are you saying that when I'm using my Windows or Mac PC that I would need 7 mice if I have 7 application windows open?

 

Good luck controlling seven applications simultaneously with one cursor, at least.

post #150 of 163

Evidently not quite as stupid as you if you think these are needed/used for flying the plane.

post #151 of 163
I just read elsewhere that the Delta pilots fought hard for the iPad but the Airline said, "No." Maybe the asurface RT 2 will work just as well for the purpose, but it just doesn't small right. An untried product does not sound like a good idea regardless.
post #152 of 163
Loser's expressions of frustration.... 1smile.gif If few iSheeps do not fly in Delta they will not go bankrupt...!
post #153 of 163
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For “true” multitasking, as seems to be the goal.

Good luck controlling seven applications simultaneously with one cursor, at least.

Not sure I understand your point...

I only need one mouse cursor to manage multiple windows and arrange them so that I can view several on the screen at the same time, and then I can interact with each one how I choose whilst the other windows remain visible at all times.

Similarly, on the Surface, you use one hand to arrange the two or three apps side by side, and then you can view them all at the same time. Viewing requires no hands - just your eyes. Then you simply interact with each one without losing visual focus of the others.
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CAVEAT: I know this is an Apple form. With that said, I am ready for the Flame....

The iPads / Surfaces / Android whatever's are only for use to read manuals. To quote various posts, the nav data that aircraft use are built into the plane in CRETIFIED systems approved by the FAA to Navigate. So really a non issue.

Now, contrary to belief, an iPad mini and a surface RT live peacefully in my house. The don't try to bite each other, I don't have to keep them in separate rooms, The ipad does not try to hump the Surfacs's kick stand, the Surface dosent try to pee on the iPad. I primarily use my Surface for schoolwork (I have the Typecover) and in that capacity it is great. My ipad mini is also used for schoolwork, but more to control things (I have a Celestron NC-8 / Advanced VX mount) that I use for celestial observations. The ipad does have a huge app advantage over the Surface RT, however after 3 months of use, the Surface has not BSOD on me, nor has it caught a virus (I attribute this more to the ARM chipset than Windows itself) or any of the other traditional problems with windows devices.

As for map data, with the partnership with Nokia, (which owns NAVTEQ) I think the maps in a Surface is much more credible that iPad (we all remember iOS6 maps 1smile.gif

I think to really be competitive, I think they could sell the Surface 2 at $300 and be moderately successful. Not to the level of the iPad, but definitely a better choice than the hordes of cheap android devices on the market.
post #155 of 163
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CAVEAT: I know this is an Apple form. With that said, I am ready for the Flame....

The iPads / Surfaces / Android whatever's are only for use to read manuals. To quote various posts, the nav data that aircraft use are built into the plane in CRETIFIED systems approved by the FAA to Navigate. So really a non issue.

Now, contrary to belief, an iPad mini and a surface RT live peacefully in my house. The don't try to bite each other, I don't have to keep them in separate rooms, The ipad does not try to hump the Surfacs's kick stand, the Surface dosent try to pee on the iPad. I primarily use my Surface for schoolwork (I have the Typecover) and in that capacity it is great. My ipad mini is also used for schoolwork, but more to control things (I have a Celestron NC-8 / Advanced VX mount) that I use for celestial observations. The ipad does have a huge app advantage over the Surface RT, however after 3 months of use, the Surface has not BSOD on me, nor has it caught a virus (I attribute this more to the ARM chipset than Windows itself) or any of the other traditional problems with windows devices.

As for map data, with the partnership with Nokia, (which owns NAVTEQ) I think the maps in a Surface is much more credible that iPad (we all remember iOS6 maps 1smile.gif

I think to really be competitive, I think they could sell the Surface 2 at $300 and be moderately successful. Not to the level of the iPad, but definitely a better choice than the hordes of cheap android devices on the market.

 

while your arguments are bordering on credible, your spelling (don't Caps your spelling mistakes!!!) may be your downfall..  

 

And your logic appears to be neophytic.

1) apple iPad isn't BSODing on you either.  Yet, you're saying the Surface 2 (a new device running Intel Win8) won't BSOD?  that's quite an extrapolation.

2) Nokia isn't a partner anymore… it's a transaction away from being a competitor again (selling off phone division to MS)

3) you have no idea what selling an Surface 2 for $300 will do to MS's stock price.  Gone are the days when they can compete at a loss to buy market share.   Office and Windows are cash cows no more, therefore products have to stand on their own, define a market, and drive others to the defensive.  Ballmer's retirement is the embodiment of that flaw in the last 4 major HW products coming out of Redmond (Surface, WinPhone, Kin, Zune).   If that strategy fails, Ballmer's successor maybe in the "Write 2 letters" mode of his career.

4) The world is trying to avoid '2' devices.   Most people can't afford internet at home, and 2 tablets and a high end telescope with an automated mount.   Those that do, number in the sub percents of the market MS is trying to sell into.  The market is  trying move from at a desktop, a laptop, a phone, a game device, and an music player (5 devices), to at most 2 devices… a phone and a laptop or tablet.   

The two tablet person is the exception in the market, not the rule.

5) Actually most people DON'T remember maps.   'Remembering' maps isn't the same as 'maps' today.    And a couple million people are buying iOS devices this week who haven't used Maps.

 

All that said, the Surface 2 /iPad in the cockpit is a glorified Kindle.  and we agree that it doesn't need to do much, and if Delta can make a better financial deal with MSFT, more power to them.  But don't try to justify it being the right device for everyone based on your experience, and unrealistic pricing tactic.  If that was the case HP would be leading the world in Tablets.

post #156 of 163
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CAVEAT: I know this is an Apple form. With that said, I am ready for the Flame....

The iPads / Surfaces / Android whatever's are only for use to read manuals. To quote various posts, the nav data that aircraft use are built into the plane in CRETIFIED systems approved by the FAA to Navigate. So really a non issue.

Now, contrary to belief, an iPad mini and a surface RT live peacefully in my house. The don't try to bite each other, I don't have to keep them in separate rooms, The ipad does not try to hump the Surfacs's kick stand, the Surface dosent try to pee on the iPad. I primarily use my Surface for schoolwork (I have the Typecover) and in that capacity it is great. My ipad mini is also used for schoolwork, but more to control things (I have a Celestron NC-8 / Advanced VX mount) that I use for celestial observations. The ipad does have a huge app advantage over the Surface RT, however after 3 months of use, the Surface has not BSOD on me, nor has it caught a virus (I attribute this more to the ARM chipset than Windows itself) or any of the other traditional problems with windows devices.

As for map data, with the partnership with Nokia, (which owns NAVTEQ) I think the maps in a Surface is much more credible that iPad (we all remember iOS6 maps 1smile.gif

I think to really be competitive, I think they could sell the Surface 2 at $300 and be moderately successful. Not to the level of the iPad, but definitely a better choice than the hordes of cheap android devices on the market.

 

Please do spell check before you press the submit button..

 

Apple form?  No.  It's FORUM.

CRETIFIED?  No.  It's CERTIFIED.

"ready FOR the Flame"???  HUH.   Please tell me you haven't finished 3rd grade.  PLEASE tell me that our education system is not THAT bad.

 

 

The software and data these pilots are using is specialty software and data created by a software company called Jeppesen or another company that specializes on navigation software for the airline industry.  They aren't using Google Maps or Nokia NAVTEQ to navigate an airplane.  They use VERY specialized software apps for these airlines.

 

RT doesn't have any viruses because of sandboxing and other things, which is why Apple also doesn't have viruses, plus who would bother writing a virus for a product where they haven't only sold 1 million units.  No one would care.  They are focusing on Android since it's EASY to write a virus for it as the majority of users are using old OS that's got lots of holes with which to exploit.  BTW, I haven't gotten a virus on my Mac or IPad or iPhone, yet I've had very bad viruses on older version of Windows, and it got to the point where I dropped using Windows and I  wasn't being forced to use Windows.  I won't use Windows unless I have no other choice.

 

Apple's Maps program has been going through it's ongoing fixes, just like ALL Maps programs, even Google Maps has had issues recently.  It's all about how good the data is that these companies get from their data suppliers.

 

I think Windows 8 interface is just scaring people away from Windows.  It's just not that easy to use, regardless of all of those so-called features.  The problem that Windows, Android have always had is how to make something easy to use.  That's what they don't know how to do, they know how to add features, but when it gets to a point where it's not so easy to use, it turns people off.  Being easy to use makes people more likely to use it and for longer periods of time without problems.  I have friend's with Android products and it takes them about a minute to do something that takes seconds.    Windows RT has an even worse problem since it won't even run Windows 7 apps on it.  Android captured a lot of people, because they have a lot of companies putting out lots of products with more carriers in more countries and they cover more ranges of customer between the price and screen size.  I think once Apple spits out a 5 inch (or thereabouts), and starts adding more carriers and more countries, over time Apple will capture the majority of the large screen market.  Apple already owns the 4inch market in the US and will own that market, which is what sells the most.  The larger screens are catching up, but the ultra low end $400 and less phones, I don't know if Apple will ever go after that market because they would have to cut costs to the point where the product would be a piece of junk that can't run the latest OS.   They leave that market to Android because there are enough clueless Android users that don't even know what the latest version OS is, and they don't care. Remember, the only Android phones that run the latest OS are the Google Nexus 4 and there is basically one phone they can choose from and that's even crippled in some ways depending on the market.  With that said.  Apple is obviously getting in to the 64 Bit ARM products before anyone else and the apps will just get better and better.

post #157 of 163
Actually I was typing that post on my iPad in the airport, so excuse my misspellings. Now that I am on a desktop with a keyboard, you English teacher you 1smile.gif

As a retired air controller, I think I am pretty qualified to talk about aviation navigation systems. So as I stated before, the maps issues that other users in the thread are discussing in reality is a non issue, in the fact that it does not matter WHAT tablet goes into the cockpit. Bottom line is they will not use ANY tablet to navigate off of.

The point I WAS making about Surface is that it is using NAVTEQ data that is supplied by Nokia, which we all know, is in cahoots with M$, thanks to Stephen Elop. While your statement is true that all geodetic databases have inaccuracies (even the ones from NGA), the Maps application on Surface has data from a proven and trusted provider.

I will agree that there is a steep learning curve for Windows 8. It is not something that you just pick up and gain full functionality from the get go. You have to spend a little time with it. I will say for some reason though, my Apple friends (which I call them isheep with affection 1smile.gif ) are quicker to pick up on how to get around on my Surface, than Windows 7 and below users. Things are a bit simpler in Windows 8 and that is the problem, windows users have been conditioned for things to be complex and difficult.

However, I still stick by my comment that a $200 - $250 Surface would sell quite well. I like the fact that RT is sandboxed and doesn't try to do everything that say a Surface PRO does. Windows 7 (or Legacy programs) do not run well on touch. And the fact now all the products in the Windows 8 family (PRO, RT, Phone) share a common NT kernel, porting apps to all the platforms in the windows ecosystem is a simple affair.

While I will not say that 64 bit ARM is a marketing gimmick, it will be a while before developers take full advantage of the hardware (PC users know this all to well when the first 64 bit processors came around). But you need to put the hardware out for developers to develop on. It's a double edge sword.

drblank I thank you for an intelligent discussion (with the exception of a little flame in the beginning 1smoking.gif) but I know everyone on here is passionate. As I alluded to in my first post, there is room in my bag for the Surface and iPad to coexist.
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As a retired air controller, I think I am pretty qualified to talk about aviation navigation systems. 

 

 

How's that ???  

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Tesla Model S does not use Android. Tesla created its own custom OS which has no relationship to Android. I own one and drive it on a daily basis. NOT ANDROID!

In the past couple of days Tesla's Musk announced they will be moving the browser to Google Chrome and would soon add an Android emulator.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post
In the past couple of days Tesla's Musk announced they will be moving the browser to Google Chrome and would soon add an Android emulator.

 

How do I personally get into contact with him to let him know how terrifyingly bad an idea this is?

 

I’ll send him a paper letter if I have to.

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